Brian JONES' Songwriting MYSTERY | Episode-2

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  • @Seth-b6i
    @Seth-b6i 8 місяців тому +14

    RIP Brian. Love ya man. Always appreciated, always missed, always remembered.

  • @calvinguile1315
    @calvinguile1315 7 місяців тому +4

    The haunting siren like part played on the mellotron is amazing!

  • @franktheo2055
    @franktheo2055 8 місяців тому +7

    I'm a long time Rolling Stones fan. I fell in love with their music & swager ever since I was a kid growing up back in the mid 1960's. I always found something good to listen to from all three eras. Brian Jones, Mick Taylor & Ron Wood, they all had a high point in the Rolling Stones music and creativity. As a Rolling Stones fan in my heart of hearts I always felt that the Brian Jones era was the bands most creative period musically. I know everyone including myself are crazy about Sticky Fingers & Exile On Main Street. But for me I'll always have a warm spot in my heart for Beggars Banquet & Let It Bleed being two of my favorite Stones albums. Brian Jones where would The Rolling Stones be with out you ? RIP ! 🎸🌹

  • @ralphthomas7868
    @ralphthomas7868 8 місяців тому +18

    Jones was a brilliant interpreter, something the others lacked. It was this skill that took the songs to the next level.
    There's two camps...those who subscribe to the glimmer twins version of history and those who don't. The fact they didn't go to his funeral should tell you everything you need to know.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +2

      It is no secret that Jones was not liked much by the rest of the band he was in.
      In fact it is no secret that Brian wasn't liked very much by ANYONE who Knew him well.
      The Stones held a respectful memorial and funeral for Brian at the Hyde Park free concert that they gave him and their fans shortly after he died.
      That event was much more fitting than going to the grave site and watching as dirt was thrown into a hole while the press took thousands of pictures of them.
      Mick had contractual obligations to be in Australia to make a movie and Keith has never been to anyone's funeral in his entire life, including his own mother and father whom he dearly loved..
      The facts apparently don't tell YOU much of anything at all.

    • @steveconn
      @steveconn 8 місяців тому +1

      Mick had a film contract in Australia and Keith didn't even go to his mom's funeral. Just his way.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      Just look at who wrote the hits and who couldn't write shit and it becomes plain where the real talent in the Stones always was.
      The band gave Jones and the fans a memorial funeral at the Hyde Park free concert and it was more than the prick deserved.

    • @orilliaphil6430
      @orilliaphil6430 8 місяців тому

      It is amazing how the jealousy that mick and Keith felt towards Brian carries on in the pathetic mewling of these glimmer twin fanboys. Their hatred tells you all you need to know about the sort of lowlifes they worship and emulate. But Brian was friends with Jimi Hendrix, Dave Mason, and many other truly talented people. They liked and respected him. Mick and Keith used the talents of the other stones and stole their contributions without giving them credit. They haven’t written a good song since Brian left the band. Ugly pathetic old men.

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 8 місяців тому +1

      Keith said he looked at Hyde Park as the funeral. Let's not create drama.

  • @neverforget6523
    @neverforget6523 8 місяців тому +9

    Brian Jones and George Harrison - they were not the first writers but even the musical masterminds in these two great bands.

  • @aminahmed2220
    @aminahmed2220 8 місяців тому +6

    What a fantastic video have a wonderful day ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊

  • @steveconn
    @steveconn 8 місяців тому +8

    Bill Wyman one of few loyal to Brian's memory; could play anything and defined the dark rock with rough blues guitar and sitar that the Doors, Zep and all others followed.

    • @marcumexe
      @marcumexe 6 місяців тому

      The others were only in it for the money, the Three Stooges..

  • @SuperAnimelover100
    @SuperAnimelover100 8 місяців тому +11

    Brian was such an ambitious young man, so determined, long before the Stones ever were.
    Paul Jones, I don't think we'd have got where we are if he hadn't been at the helm at the beginning, Charlie Watts. Brian was the first person I ever heard playing slide electric guitar. Mick and I both thought he was incredible, Keith Richards. I liked every one of them (the Stones albums and singles) during the Brian era. The Stones lost the edge off their blues when Brian drifted away from them. Jacky Jack White. Brian knew what he was doing. It was quite beautiful. Some of it was made up at the time; some of it was stuff I was augmenting with him. I was definitely playing with the violin bow. Brian had this guitar that had a volume pedal-he could get gunshots with it. There was a Mellotron there. He was moving forward with ideas. Jimmy Page (talking about the making of the A Degree of Murder soundtrack) I engineered the Stones recording of the Beggars Banquet album, with Jimmy Miller producing. I always felt that Brian was the most innovative musician and the real heart and soul of the band, Eddie Kramer. Brian Jones the real creative force behind The Rolling Stones: “I’m not putting down anyone else in the Stones, But Brian was the true artist in that band. Sometimes he was into the whole rock’n’roll thing, but other times he just wouldn’t play the game, Dave Davies. Jim Morrison from the Doors, who wrote ‘Ode to L.A. While Thinking of Brian Jones’ in his honor. Pete Townshend penned ‘A Normal Day For Brian,' and Joni Mitchell wrote ‘Tin Angel.’ The Doors (post Morrison) dedicated ‘Tightrope Ride’ to Jones and Patti Smith has admitted to being totally obsessed with him, writing at least two poems for him. Some fans believe that Bob Dylan’s repeated mentions of “Mr. Jones” in ‘Ballad Of A Thin Man’ are a reference to Brian but Dylan has said otherwise. Without Brian Jones, there would not have been a Rolling Stones !

    • @alaincelos476
      @alaincelos476 8 місяців тому +2

      Pretty well said !!!animelover ,too there were compliment from Harrison,Macca,Baker ,Laine Pinder ,Gene clarke( who wrote " 8 miles high " with ....Brian), Korner and others i Can't remenber ,mostly MUSICIANS ,Brian hadn't to move his ass to show his unique skills ,only grab any instrument for ....

    • @SuperAnimelover100
      @SuperAnimelover100 8 місяців тому +1

      @@alaincelos476
      Thanks for that. :)

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 8 місяців тому +2

      "In 1966, I witnessed, on numerous occasions, the remarkable spell Brian would cast while working in the recording studio. Mick and Keith would bring songs in, Brian would listen and effectively take charge, and everyone was in awe of him. He was a real perfectionist. While recording the recorder part in Ruby Tuesday he explained to me that he had to do it over again as he had been a quarter tone off tune."--Prince Stash Klossowski de Rola (artist and friend of the Stones) in Brian Jones: Butterfly in the Park.

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 7 місяців тому +1

      "Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood

    • @SuperAnimelover100
      @SuperAnimelover100 7 місяців тому +1

      @@TheaterPup
      Love that, TheaterPup. I never saw this before. Thanks for posting this !!! Just good on Mick Fleetwood telling the truth !! :)

  • @cjmesq
    @cjmesq 8 місяців тому +23

    The best part of the early Stones was Brian Jones.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      The record tells a very different story. The band became bigger, better, more popular with more sellout concerts world wide and much greater record sales and critical acclaim in the months and years just after they fired him. It appears that Brian had been holding them back from the success they enjoyed immediately following Brian's departure.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 7 місяців тому

      The best part of the Stones history was after Brian left the band.

    • @ernestoclaudodip9671
      @ernestoclaudodip9671 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@williardbillmore5713
      HOW OLD ARE YOU KIDDIE?

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 7 місяців тому

      @@ernestoclaudodip9671 Old enough that I personally remember the Stones with Brian Jones alive and how well they did after they got rid of him.

    • @tomwheeler6760
      @tomwheeler6760 7 місяців тому +1

      @@ernestoclaudodip9671 Willy BULLmore is 71 and writing from The Psych Ward at Happy Acres Home for the Mentally Deranged Incurable OCD Inmates where he endlessly Chants I HATE BRIAN! I HATE BRIAN!! I HATE BRIAN!!! as he bounces off the Rubber Walls of his cell. Alright I admit it I Killed Ruby on Tuesday! when I saw her mother standing in The Shadows after we Spent The Night Together!

  • @JayAr709
    @JayAr709 8 місяців тому +8

    Brian Jones, evidently the “Pete Best” equivalent, pressured out by jealous Stones.

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 8 місяців тому +3

      Not really. Pete Pete was kicked out before they hit it big. Brian Jones was a literal icon of the 60s. Ian Stewart was more the Pete Best, except he continued to work with the band.

  • @TheaterPup
    @TheaterPup 8 місяців тому +4

    "Jimi Hendrix was honored to attend a Rolling Stones recording session for Ruby Tuesday. It was really Brian Jones' session. He was the master of the sound, and the various exotic instruments he played all fused into a melodic experience that expanded the parameters of the Rolling Stones' sound. Ruby Tuesday became number one as they hung out together. Brian was ecstatic over its success. He loved to hear it by chance, on the radio in his Rolls Royce, in a club, or out of a solitary window they happened to pass. Brian would tell with great relish of how he and Keith Richards worked and worked on coloring, adding dramatic yet wispy touches here and there, alternating the mix between lead voice and background vocal harmonies, while interplaying exotic instruments. Sounds that were impossible to identify gave Ruby Tuesday an eternal air of mystery and yearning."--'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky: Jimi Hendrix: Voodoo Child, by David Henderson

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 7 місяців тому

      More fiction...
      I'll take things that never happened for 400, Alex.

  • @John-cr2tn
    @John-cr2tn 8 місяців тому +6

    Brian could have had a wonderful career as a producer

  • @richardjessup8543
    @richardjessup8543 8 місяців тому +12

    Don't forget Ruby Tuesday.

    • @alaincelos476
      @alaincelos476 8 місяців тому

      EVERY hits Richard ,i thinck....i'm a old pianist with a MK2 too ,i can say ,itis incredibly heardable by any musician with tight ears ,the way he did played on différent instrument ,hé enhanced every Berry copied riff cling clung cling!!!Too Bill was incredibly fine

  • @wilmabaumann4499
    @wilmabaumann4499 8 місяців тому +2

    Also Bryan Jones war ein Multi-Allround-Genie für orientalisch klingende Sounds...seine Sitar-Gitarre schaffte traumhaft hypnotische Klänge, die für manche Songs eine fantastische Ergänzung ergab...
    🎼🎵🎶🎸👌...

  • @АлександрАлександрович-е9н6д

    Царство небесное ему!!!❤❤❤

  • @JodyDube
    @JodyDube 29 днів тому

    Brian's sonic instrumental contributions to the Rolling Stones's song catalog makes that material some of their very best. Their best incarnation (no disrespect to Mick Taylor)

  • @wonder6789
    @wonder6789 8 місяців тому +6

    No mention of "The Last Time", "Lady Jane", "Jumping Jack Flash", the "Satanic Majesties' Request" album, his film score to "A Degree of Murder', or the "Pipes of Pan at Joujouka"...

    • @RockinRollinOne
      @RockinRollinOne  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching! Hope you'd like to watch more Brian contributed to RS hits in these episodes:
      Episode-1: ua-cam.com/video/JG7ucje9N4M/v-deo.html
      Episode-3: ua-cam.com/video/RMqOKbc7g80/v-deo.html
      Keep it rolling and stay tuned for upcoming next episodes! 🎶💕😊

    • @bsorryrthatsit7055
      @bsorryrthatsit7055 6 місяців тому

      Too many to list , really. Like I said, the good cut's Mick and Keith did primarily are about a half dozen. Brian may or may not have been consulted a little, it's a group after all. None really went to #1 though. Gimme Shelter, Brown Sugar, Sister Morphine, Tumbling Dice, Sympathy for the Devil and Can't Always get What You Want are the best cut's written by just Mick and Keith. So they are great, without being the very best. As performers, they are the best and beat the Beatles out for and because of longevity as well. Led Zep and the Who take bronze and silver, IMHO. No one stays at #1 forever, and I mean no one.

  • @Paul-yw8bx
    @Paul-yw8bx 8 місяців тому +3

    Co-wrote "Eight Miles High" with Gene Clark but wasn't credited. Also co-wrote Stones songs under pseudonym "Nanker Phelge".

  • @axxellein
    @axxellein 8 місяців тому +1

    TRES Cool/Heavy

  • @TheaterPup
    @TheaterPup 8 місяців тому

    "In 1966, I witnessed, on numerous occasions, the remarkable spell Brian would cast while working in the recording studio. Mick and Keith would bring songs in, Brian would listen and effectively take charge, and everyone was in awe of him. He was a real perfectionist. While recording the recorder part in Ruby Tuesday he explained to me that he had to do it over again as he had been a quarter tone off tune."--Prince Stash Klossowski de Rola (artist and friend of the Stones) in Brian Jones: Butterfly in the Park.

  • @ayana3269
    @ayana3269 8 місяців тому +3

    🎉

  • @Reprodestruxion
    @Reprodestruxion 7 місяців тому +1

    Imagine if he had picked up the synth and joined up with Robert Fripp

  • @AdyCP-rj7xy
    @AdyCP-rj7xy Місяць тому

    Brian is the real genius of the Rolling Stones no matter what The Glimmer Twins say. The funny thing is that Brian never underestimated their contribution to the success of the band, however the other two always are still trying to undervalue the talent of Brian. Fortunately, we have graphic evidence of the reality, and the images speak from themselves… No Jones, no Stones!!!

  • @komsomoletz7238
    @komsomoletz7238 8 місяців тому +2

    Well done report but the author concentrates on only 3 RS songs. Brian has contributed to more RS hits to sound brilliant in early RS year, eg Little Red Rooster, Ruby Tuesday, The Last Time, Lady Jane to name a few. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards are undeniably musical (rock)geniuses but the rest of the band possess genius skills too, however Brian is the one who has the ability to create the unique sound wich was characteristically for several of RS's hits. After Brian RS has had and has talented guitarists but not multi-instrumentalists. RS did and still make great music but after Brian they have become like all other rock band, guitars, drums and singers. Apparently they can afford to hire a symphony orchestra, background vocalists, pianists, saxophonists etc but it's not the same as with Brian

    • @RockinRollinOne
      @RockinRollinOne  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching! Hope you'd like to watch more Brian contributed to RS hits in these episodes:
      Episode-1: ua-cam.com/video/JG7ucje9N4M/v-deo.html
      Episode-3: ua-cam.com/video/RMqOKbc7g80/v-deo.html
      Keep it rolling and stay tuned for upcoming next episodes! 🎶💕😊

  • @tomslick2058
    @tomslick2058 7 місяців тому +1

    To bad smack fucked him up. He looked so out of it onRR Circus that they pulled it. Not because of the Who. Loved his simple but effective solo on Tell Me.

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 7 місяців тому +1

      Not smack. Ironically it was in big part legal drugs given by a doctor.

  • @Tigerroux
    @Tigerroux 2 місяці тому

    This video nails Brian’s contribution to their initial success. Sad there were differences between the guys and that Brian had to mess himself up. Keith’s guitar just doesn’t match the sounds that Brian created. Don’t misunderstand me - Keith is very talented, but he can’t play the same instruments to make the same sounds that we all loved about Brians contribution. You can’t always get what you want - but we will always have Brian’s sounds within our hearts with or without the rest of the Stones.

  • @nihilistlivesmatter
    @nihilistlivesmatter 7 місяців тому

    As the video says Brian doubled the vocal line on Sitar that's why he wasn't given songwriting credit....the melody had already been written
    Everything else regarding song structure, arrangement, acoustic guitars curing world hunger is speculation & not backed up with any compelling evidence

  • @bertenqvist7324
    @bertenqvist7324 8 місяців тому +1

    So why is B.Jones uncredited on Ruby Tuesday ?? and Lady Jane or even Paint it Black ? that´s raw bulleism by Jagger/Richards.... How can such influensed main figure in a band have any main songs on his contribution??

    • @TheaterPup
      @TheaterPup 7 місяців тому

      The band's main songwriters were control freaks (Bill and Taylor said the same). Also several sources say Brian didn't worry about credit when asked.

  • @nihilistlivesmatter
    @nihilistlivesmatter 7 місяців тому

    that's an electric mandolin Brian is pictured with not a tanpura

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 24 дні тому

    Brian Jones did NOT found the Rolling Stones. He JOINED Keith's band The Blue Boys that band became the Rolling Stones.
    Here in his own words is proof.
    Interviewer: ---What were you doing before you joined? ( the band)
    Brian--- "Well just sort of bumming around, waiting for something to happen , really
    I had quite a few jobs and I was trying to get a band going, but it was unsuccessful until I met up with Mick and Keith and then ...well THAT was a successful band."
    After admitting that his attempts to start his own band were "unsuccessful"Brian seems to indicate here that he felt that Mick and Keith had a successful band when he "met up" with them. That would explain why he wanted to join them. The line up on stage at the Marquee Club where they debuted, indicates that he did join them because he and Ian were there and Keith and Mick's band, he "met up with, remained complete and intact.

  • @bsorryrthatsit7055
    @bsorryrthatsit7055 7 місяців тому

    Didn't extend to composing? Please explain why after his split the hit's in the top ten hit's stopped coming. Mick can't compose anything past punk rock levels, he can't even play rock or blue's on the guitar. He just strums cowboy chords. We are waiting, now what's this about him getting pushed off the rail of the North Tower of the Golden Gate Bridge in 1970, and a huge felonious conspiracy in that regard?

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter 7 місяців тому

      Because the 70's heralded the age of the LP Let it bleed sticky fingers Exile & Goats head soup were all no 1 albums

    • @bsorryrthatsit7055
      @bsorryrthatsit7055 6 місяців тому +1

      @@nihilistlivesmatter Nice, Exile tanked after brief spell ( Sweet Virginia ws also a Brian Jones tune, my favorite cut), the other ones still constitute what is know as the Brian Jones era. Angie, his bemoaned lady love he often wrote about, was the best cut, Brian on the Mahogany 12 was it?In life and on L.I.B.-He tanked her when she was on the rag. In fact she hated the cut and a lot of the rest he wrote about her and their life experience,and considered a lawsuit. That is Brian on the front of Sticky Fingers stuffing a sock, his idea for the zipper too. The logo he did as well. You can't fight the word genius , my friend. Shattered was about the last of the Jones stuff. Yes there is very early 70's from when written in early 69 spillover. Some people like Tumbling Dice, I don't though it's really the only decent cut on the album besides S.V. yet another Jones gem, IMHO. Now for the rest of the fact's. after Exile, how did the band sell without him? Their rep was built on the Hot Rocks stuff and they never charted as well for singles again, just back to their usual occasional strong cut in the top 20 or even 40 and then poof, no top ten singles. Their career was built on his songs, the one's we still want to hear live today.Exile was in 71, the others were finished before it and released at different times. Mick trying to look gay on the front cover of Angie was a deception.

    • @nihilistlivesmatter
      @nihilistlivesmatter 6 місяців тому

      @@bsorryrthatsit7055 It sold 11 million copies that's not tanking buddy...the rest of your post is drivel and nonsense

    • @elenikorkodelaki2695
      @elenikorkodelaki2695 6 місяців тому

      @@bsorryrthatsit7055👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @marcumexe
    @marcumexe 6 місяців тому

    Just look at Mickey Mouse and Keith they look like a couple of ruddies from the alley Keith
    was Mickey's bootlicker Brian gave them class something neither knew anything about just
    check Mickey dancing like he fell asleep on a mound of fire ants. What other famed musician ever said something positive about Mickey and Keith or Charly for that matter, they were the Three Stooges who got to where they are by offing Brian not even thanks Brian hope your new venture works sorry it didn't work out between us, what do you think of our new name Mickey and the Moccasins, yeah great name Mickey good luck out there..
    It's time the truth be known since Brian can't speak for himself it's only right those who can
    do while the other scoundrels are still around.

  • @scottstambaugh8473
    @scottstambaugh8473 8 місяців тому

    I'm a musical genius, too!

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 7 місяців тому +1

    Jones was worthless excess baggage. Getting rid of him was the smartest move the band could have done.
    They should have fired his drunken ass the day he quit playing guitar.

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +3

    There was never a shortage of musical geniuses in the Rolling Stones...But Brian Jones was certainly NOT among them.

    • @steveconn
      @steveconn 8 місяців тому +6

      Brian FOUNDED the band and could play any instrument, including the impossible mellotron on We Love You, schmuck.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@steveconn Brian did not "found" the band...or ANY band.
      Brian asked Keith if he could join Keith's band , the Blue Boys, and Keith agreed.
      Jones dabbled on many instruments but he never mastered any of them. Everything he did was basic single note melodies and rudimentary. He was the laziest over rated musician in 60s pop music.
      The Mellotron is very simple to play and the droning whine that Brian played could be done by a child.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@brendankane3546 Okay Brendan my boy... 41 and 43 were total incompetents...43 being by far the dumber of the two
      38 was a bumbling fool who let the crook, 37, off the hook rather than making him accountable for his crimes...
      40 was a senile actor who had no clue what he was or even where he was for that matter and his handlers gave the economy away to the wealthiest 3%
      36 was a war mongering Texas asshole who wasted American lives to make a pointless point and 31 caused the great depression.
      I would put Ted Nugent on the same plane as Jones for being eminently dislikable..He is a one trick pony and a pedophile as was Gary Glitter
      Take all the bad aspects of the aforementioned presidential failures and roll them into one dangerous fool X 10 and we get 45
      Anything else you need to know, Brendan my boy?

    • @komsomoletz7238
      @komsomoletz7238 8 місяців тому +1

      ?!?The signature above has a total lack of understanding of music and music theory

    • @komsomoletz7238
      @komsomoletz7238 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@williardbillmore5713 The signature ​ @williardbillmore5713 has been there when Brian asked Keith and Mike if they want to be to be in the band.

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +3

    Jones did not get writing credits because he NEVER WROTE ANYTHING.

    • @alaincelos476
      @alaincelos476 8 місяців тому +2

      But hé did enhanced ALL stones' songs by all his différents playing on différents instruments ,without him there would bé thé rolling stones !!! Too with Bill Wyman !!!

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@alaincelos476 I have heard all the songs that Brian diddled and copied the parts on played without his silly instruments and they don't lose a thing. Brian was the least essential member to their sound.
      He was a poser and a phoney.

    • @alaincelos476
      @alaincelos476 8 місяців тому

      @@williardbillmore5713 open you ears !!! Stop that kidding ,Alexis korner told in thé early days ,hé did grabbed Keith axe to ......tuned it correctly ! Sure Keith did wrote the musics ,but Brian and Bill added their skills and that enhanced ALL thé hits beginning with satisfaction thé twins dislike ,thé three others liké ...same for " jumping" that's bill who gave thé major riff ...After 1969 id never listen ...

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@alaincelos476 You parrot all the myths ... but know this...Paul Trynka lied to you about everything.

    • @canalesworks1247
      @canalesworks1247 8 місяців тому

      @@alaincelos476 This guy WillardBillmore5713 literally goes from post to post about Brian Jones attacking him, almost like he has a mental illness. I have challenged him to prove that he himself has any musical talent to make his claims. In particular he claims to be able to play the slide guitar part for "No Expectations", and that it is in fact an elementary slide guitar part that he picked up in a few moments. I am still waiting for some sort of post from this fool proving his claims. WillardBillmore is a hate filled poser himself, who has no appreciation for Brian Jones' work as an arranger on early Stones songs.
      I myself am primarily a classical musician and composer, but I also have been playing rock and blues guitar since the age of four. I can say without a doubt that Brian was a talented natural multi instrumentalist who lent his obvious gifts as an arranger to the early Stones sound. Any real musician will tell you that there is a distinct difference between the Jones era of the Stones and everything that came after it. Jones thought like a film scorer, rather than a songwriter. In fact his film score for "A Degree Of Murder" proves the point quite well. If he had lived and continued to take those kinds of projects he would have gone on to be a figure like Danny Elfman, known more for film scores and arranging than for "pop songwriting" per se.

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +1

    Absolute lies. Keith plays the intro riff to Paint It Black on his Les Paul Custom and Keith wrote the entire song. All Brian could do is copy the sung melody that was already written by Richards and Jagger.
    Jones was a poser and a phoney.

    • @richardbanker3910
      @richardbanker3910 8 місяців тому +7

      Mick Jagger wrote the lyrics and Andrew Oldham said that the song was coming to a dead stop.,Bill Wyman punched at the pedals on the organ to skew the song into different zone. Charlie comes up with his stomping drum track. The song alternates between the 3rd and 4th verse where Keith’s guitar drives the song along but Brian’s sitar takes the song into a completely weird mystical direction. Keith would never have thought of a sitar playing on the song. You cannot have a song without lyrics being sung on them. Perhaps this ought to be credited as a Nanker Phelge song.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@richardbanker3910 Keith wrote the music including the melody and the intro. Mick wrote the lyrics and the rest of the band played accompaniments.
      It is a Jagger Richards song.
      End of story.

    • @richardbanker3910
      @richardbanker3910 8 місяців тому +8

      @@williardbillmore5713 Not end of story. Without Brian ( and Bill and Charlie) the song would have been pretty lame. Mick and Keith had the inside track with Andrew Oldham. Nanker Phelge definitely.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +1

      @@richardbanker3910 What you mean to say is that Mick and Keith had all the creative talent and Andy promoted the band's strengths as any good manager should do.
      Nanker Phelge was a joke. Nothing more. Most of the songs with that joke credit have been revised to properly credit the true writers Jagger and Richards.
      Ringo and Harrison played some nice accompaniments for the Beatles as well but Lennon and McCartney get the writing credits because they wrote their lyrics and melodies. When Harrison and Starr wrote lyrics and melodies they were credited with what they wrote.
      Bill wrote a couple of songs with the Stones and he was given full credit for them without question or issues.
      Credit for writing goes to the guys who created the LYRICS and the MELODIES not the accompanists.
      It has always been like that.

    • @richardbanker3910
      @richardbanker3910 8 місяців тому +7

      @@williardbillmore5713 You really have a rules and regulations regimented approach to music. Lyrics. Music and that’s that. Around 1966, music was growing much more complex and Brian Jones was a major driving force in making the Stones that way. Keith Richards couldn’t conceive of the way music could be made to go. There’s a case for equating Brian Jones with George Martin except that Brian could play these out of the way instruments. Brian had the power to take the basic song presented to the group and deserves a writing credit.

  • @williardbillmore5713
    @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому +1

    Brian Jones couldn't write, he couldn't sing, he couldn't dance and he couldn;t improvise
    His rhythm guitar playing was mediocre at best and Keith always had to show him what to play.
    Jones never had an original musical idea in his entire career.
    He was a poser and a phoney.

    • @Arya-1111
      @Arya-1111 8 місяців тому +1

      What a load of BS SHILL

    • @steveconn
      @steveconn 8 місяців тому +3

      Total bullshit. Read the Paul Trynka book. He SCHOOLED nerdy Keith on the blues.

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@steveconn If you are looking for real bullshit the Trynka books are an endless source of invented fan boy nonsense and lies about the Stones.
      It is well understood that the fantasies that Paul Trynka writes are ridiculously inaccurate and fictitious.
      Keith had been playing all genres of guitar for over ten years when they met. Brian had memorized a handful of blues songs only and had been playing less that three years.
      Keith had to teach Brian everything about how to play rock and rhythm and blues guitar.
      Jones was clueless.

    • @komsomoletz7238
      @komsomoletz7238 8 місяців тому +1

      The signature @williardbillmore5713 is not only ear deaf it is also blind

    • @williardbillmore5713
      @williardbillmore5713 8 місяців тому

      @@komsomoletz7238 I speak the truth.