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😂😂😂😂 You forgot the time stamps Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny gets told not to interrupt Destiny let’s women speak Women cut destiny off Destiny gets told not to interrupt
Kinda wish D didn’t attack their monetary incentives so early on. It’s obvious that they’re mentally challenged, possibly to the point where they don’t even understand what money is
Yeah I lost my shit when watching this last night and she said that. I figured for like 20 minutes straight that Destiny was just trolling her by not saying "okay fine 20 weeks" when she was all hung up about 20-24 being super vague. I figured all she wanted was for him to say 20 weeks and he knew it and he was just letting her stew by not giving her what she wanted. And then he did, and she still wasn't fucking happy lol it was actually one of the most bonkers moments I've ever seen in a debate
I swear I’m not a destiny fanboy but when he said abortion isn’t that relevant to the red pill space because 90% of the audience are virgins I cried laughing
It's not whether they have the potential mate for sex or knocking up a one-night-stand. It is solidarity through their love of their fellow man, the least protected of which is the un/pre-born.
"un-rape" is an insane term. How can they seriously think carrying your rapist baby to full term would not retraumatize them? It would retraumatize them every moment of their existence for the whole 9 months.
even beyond that. that child is gonna have a permanent reminder of their rapist walking around for the rest of her life, which would suck for the both of them or worse, that 11 year old is no longer alive due to complications of birth. for them to not even think about that for 2 seconds is crazy
@@Oopsy75254only if you consider a tiny clump of cells a person. Destiny has repeated his position multiple times, that pregnancy is the process of creating a person. So if the fetus develops enough that brain activity can be observed (20-24 weeks), he considers that a person so an abortion shouldn’t be allowed unless the mother’s life is in danger. So if you cancel the person creating process before the person actually forms (no brain activity, no consciousness, no senses), no “person” is being harmed.
@@FACTS-mk5mi it’s like anti-abortion people are TRYING to not understand Destiny’s argument lol What you said is basically: “If an abortion shouldn’t be allowed if the brain is developed enough, what about this one fringe case where the brain was developed enough at 20 weeks???” If the brain is developed enough that the fetus is conscious, then yes, an abortion shouldn’t be allowed. This isn’t hard. 😂
Those women are so obnoxious. They spent an exorbitant amount of energy trying to frame Destiny’s position instead of just asking him. Then when their emotional argument doesn’t hold up, they start virtues signaling, and calling destiny misogynistic. Go back to debating college kids, let the grown-ups talk
This would have been so much better if it was just Lila and Destiny. Kristan dragged the debate down so much with the interruptions and bad faith questions. So many times during this debate (around 2:24:15 onwards you can see this) even Lila is getting frustrated with Kistan's inability to not interrupt.
@@TurtleChad1No offense but that is a pretty magical opinion. I don't know how you could hear these two people completely ignore anything destiny said and just talk over him to the point destiny stopped taking it seriously
Fr I lost it when the fat one (not in a mean way I just don't know her name rn) screamed something about misogyny like omfg aren't u the one trying to take our rights away?😭
They are preaching not debating. They never answer a thing... theyve informed me on literally zero things that would contribute to me shifting my position on the topic.
They're manic evangelists without a valid position, they lie about science in order to further the abortion "debate" because pastor indoctrinated them from birth. The abortion debate is nothing but a political wedge issue created by the Christian right when advocating for segregation stopped being a viable tool to get them political power.
Kristen is insufferable. “You’re so condescending you misogynist” then “I know science is very hard to understand” Everything she gets mad at destiny for doing she labels as misogyny, but does the exact same things 10x. The difference is that Destiny had a coherent position while she did not.
A lot of them do this. I think it's because those are the criticisms they've received that they've actually latched onto, and use them as last ditch ammunition because they look for those criticisms in everyone they disagree with. It's a wildly insulated perspective, and a worse way of dealing with new information.
This is maddening. Did she really say "I really love men yelling at women" after she spent the last 10 min gaslighting the shit out of him. lol! This is terrible. They make so many logical fallacies, its amazing Destiny didn't just explode from frustration.
If you don't believe abortion should be an option, don't have one. Period. If you believe all humans have rights, then humans who want to have an abortion have that right as well, no?
well, no. The point of these people is that they think abortion is murder. Imagine if you lived in a society that allows for murder, and then tells you "well, if you don't like killing, then don't kill others"
Kristan was being super bad faith when she said that Destiny was a misogynist. As we all know, Destiny is a strong, independent woman herself. It is always so sad to see this woman on woman violence going on. So toxic
I think the fat one was self aware and being purposefully 'bad faith' but the other one genuinely was lacking coherent view on the issue and understanding of destiny's take. I wouldnt be suprised if she was coached to interrupt like the fat one consistently did but after being called out and made fun of for it too many times she stopped mostly.
activists are the worst to debate. They never have thought about their positions, they inherit them from their family or environment and just advocated for those things since young.
Kristan: "I've very seriously considered what if i was wrong" Also Kristan every time someone disagrees: "thank you for the misogony" I've gone through medical hardships in my life easier to endure than hearing her talk throughout this video
I've been and still am going thru multiple medical hardships most of my life and I can confidently say being in excruciating pain every second of every day is far easier to endure than hearing her talk and even more preferable...
@@TheEverFreeKing ur making me consider whether I have autism or not, can u please add emotion indicators at the end of your text so that I can decide whether to think ur funny or r worded.
As bad as they were, I think you missed the point. Fatty`s argument was that you become human at week 20 while destiny was saying 21-24 at the start, and then moved it to 20-24. Her point then was that he moved the range 1 week, making the embio "human" sooner. His point was it is redundant, which it was, but fatty went ballistic over it.
@@TheJordanK They can't help but be bad faith because they represent anti-abortion organistations and just can't afford to concede a point because that would affect their donations and their careers. I just feel a younger Lila without an organisation to represent would have debated in good faith. Can't say the same about Kirsten.
I honestly kind of hate any and all arguments on abortion that aren’t about the woman/person with the uterus. I despise people who can just ignore that there’s a whole person there. A whole person who you’re forcing to go through this. To take this risk to their health and possibly life. Pregnancy is not a walk in the park. Labor and delivery is not a walk in the park. People die from childbirth all the damn time. Take THAT into consideration. We shouldn’t be allowed to tell someone they have to risk their life even for the sake of another. And anyone having an abortion in the 3rd trimester isn’t doing it because they want to.
Thank you. Speaking about the pregnancy as if it’s just a floating womb. I also hated the hypothetical about the separate wombs. Once the baby is done growing where is the baby going to go if the mother didnt want it? Would they force the mother to take care of the child or put her ANOTHER child through the foster care system. I hope I’m making sense cuz I’m only about 50 minutes in and there’s so much I wish I was there in person to point out. The headache I have right now…
Throughout the whole thing I kept trying to decide if they were being bad faith or if they were just stupid. I honestly still am not sure. I think Lila was somewhat trying, but seemed to play off kristan a lot. But Kristan I'm not sure which one, perhaps both.
It's actually incredible how well Destiny performed in this 1v2, considering he literally wasn't able to speak 95% of the time without being labeled a misogynist, immature or RUDE of all things.
He wasn't even being any of those things. Kristin was the one who was prejudiced against men (misandry) by the constant amount of contemptuous, patronising comments.
Did she honestly just say: "You keep talking when I'm talking!" after interrupting, shouting, talking over and being condecending for about two hours? Holy heck, the self-awareness of these women..
Yeah...because he was interrupting them constantly as well. I keep seeing Destiny groupies saying this as if it's valid. It's such a one-sided, ridiculous claim. You know damn well he was interrupting too. It's a debate. 🤦🏼
@@travisreifke4356 I'm, by no means, a "Destiny groupie". I just started watching his debate videos about a week ago. To me, it just seemed like if he wanted any sort of chance to get a word in edgewise he had to interrupt them every one in a while - compared to them doing it constatly. But as he states, it's a pointless debatemne since they are so invested in their platforms that they will never chance their minds or concede on any points whatsoever.
I think they know they are obnoxious and hypocritical to the point it makes people puke. That's what got them into the positions in life they are in now.
Its tiring hearing pro life people pretending that the life is the most important thing. It's a contradictory position and often just about forcing their opinions and morals on others.
Lila steel manning Destiny: "Destiny's arguments are shit but the emotional arguments are the best and really get to me we should really be helping those poor women."
"How DARE you compare miscarriage to child neglect!!1!" 5 minutes later, dressed tuxedo wojak: "whoa are you triggered Destiny? Are you triggered? Triggered huh??"
the level of respect i have for Destiny skyrocketed with this debate. his ability to endure immeasurable degrees of obstinance and weaponized ignorance is on par with David Blaine magic.
I actually quite disliked him before from what little I've seen from him before. Completely changed my opinion on him, especially since he uses arguments I've discussed with friends before.
@TheAlex11880 Yea, I have my ups and downs with him, but it's hard to say he's not good at what he does. And this is one of his best showings as far as staying locked in and consistent with his arguments.
I wasnt really a fan for a long time, id heard small things and i was a infrequent watcher of.. HASAN...but then the whole thing with him calling people saltines(code) leading me to Destinys reaction of that whole kerfuffle. Ever since ive slowly become more and more of a fan. I share a lot of his core beliefs, if not always his attitude or views. He did great here, idk if i could have stuck through the whole videos if i hadnt had a logical buoy to grasp onto in the sea of bad faith.
@@f.r.etling6226 This is not feminism, feminism is equality between men and women. These people are arguing a false notion that sperm and egg are afforded the same mental faculties as a fully grown child.
This is the worst debate I've ever seen, the moderator did not moderate whatsoever. Both ladies need to learn how to debate properly, constantly interrupting while screaming is not a debate - yikes!
A) This is in no sense a serious channel. 100% for entertainment. B) He did try once but Destiny told him don't worry I've got it don't be a third person interrupting me. And I'm not sure the birds even remembered there was anyone else in the room.
There are exceptions where women find out that their wanted pregnancy will not be viable outside of their womb… they 100% should not be forced to give birth.
Her: You can't use a hypothetical that's not based in reality, it doesn't match the situation! Also her, 10 minutes prior: So what if you talk to GOD and he tells you that you were wrong? Edit: And it doesn't end there folks Her: I hate when men ask these stupid questions like "Do you understand that blue and purple are different?" as if you're stupid UGH Also her: "Do you honestly believe that consciousness is just injected after conception at some point" / "Do you honestly think the mother's body tells the child how to grow?"
I hope Lila and Kristan read my comment and discover that they single handedly cemented my belief in being pro-choice. They did the exact opposite of their intention by being combative, inattentive and downright obnoxious
Lila was not so bad, but if you'd like them to read your comment you should comment on their channel where they post like they've won the debate or wtv's channel assuming they posted the full debate there too.
@@justinabajian1087 Actually, I'm kind of sliding towards destiny's position. I defined birth by dead, heart beat and brain activity. The biggest problem is that it's hard to tell when those things happen in certain situations, so you may be locking women o out before they even realize they're pregnant. The idea of consciousness being the thing that's defended follows basically the same argument but gives women more time, it's tugging at my position the more I think about it.
Yes kristan was annoying but PLEASE do not let lila off the hook . SHE COULD BARELY LET HIM SPEAK AS WELL . Both were horrible . Lila gave less smart remarks an I’ll give her a 1% chance of good faith in her argument 😂. But other than that they are both horrible debaters . I’ve never seen Lila interrupt this much. I think she knew destiny has very strong points . She didn’t want him to ask questions so she could not get challenged.
@@CarosAnon I literally gasped and my eyes widened. Then it I stayed like that expecting to relax when she backpedaled but she never did. What a damn loon.
While both were horrible interrupters I think the difference is that Lila was at least actually engaging with Destiny's arguments (to whatever extent she allowed herself to do it)
The best part was when she said, "I love it when men yell at me." After talking over him for half an hour. As if those are the magic words to silence men. Those two women were horrible, disingenuous, narcissistic, self absorbed, bad faith debaters.
They were upset because they trying to get a man who is not an Dr or expert in this to understand where they are coming from as biological women. They will lose cause 1. He is a man and his ego will not allow him to see the bigger picture 2. He will never understand what women and carrying a child entails. 3. He already feels he is superior than them on the basis he is a man. This debate is so pointless. He will disagree because men are not the agreeable type. These ladies wasting their time. One thing my father taught me is don’t bother argue with men. They will never listen to women or only listen to the parts that benefit them. Save your breath. My father was right - as a woman I want to keep my peace.🤷🏽♀️😌
@@sg5720They we’re upset because they have about three lines they use to stump most low-information people on abortion topics, and neither of them bothered to deal with a destiny’s slightly nuanced argument. There’s nothing about being a woman which makes you or them incapable of making a decent argument to a man.
@@sg5720 he will lose cause 1. they are women and their emotions will not allow them to see the bigger picture 2. they will never understand what men and impregnating a woman entails. 3. they already feel superior than him on the basis they are women. this debate is so pointless. they will disagree because women are not the agreeable type. this dude is wasting his time. one thing my mother taught me is don't bother argue with women. they will never listen to men or only listen to the parts that benefit them. save your breath. my mother was right - as a man, i want to keep my peace.
@@sg5720 Stop being stupid. The vast majority of women want to keep their right to abortion. You can do whatever you want but leave other women alone and don’t pretend they are on your side
I lost brain cells everytime kristen talked. After 4 hours i lost all conscious experience and its morally and ethically valid to abort me at 30 years old. 😂
Quick recap so you don't waste 4 hours of time you'll never get back. Destiny: "Human life starts at consciousness." Pro Life Activists: "No, it starts at conception." You're welcome.
@@EsTornino77Religion isn't the only thing, biology, science also holds the position that life starts at conception. It has less to do with what religious texts say, and more with what the definition of the word life is.
@@darkfoxxbunyipthey say that life starts at conception not personhood which is what probably should be used to determine what gets moral consideration
I saw these two give lectures at colleges and debate with students and they seemed so intelligent that I thought this would be a challenging debate for destiny. The only challenge he seemed to have was getting through their insufferable bad faith method of argumentation. I guess anyone can look smart debating kids lol.
Kristen was so genuinely infuriating to watch. Constantly throwing questions at Destiny and then tossing another one at him before he even got two words out, and wasn't even listening to anything he was saying. She was just waiting for her turn to talk the whole time. Incredibly emotionally driven and when she realized her arguments weren't winning resorted to calling him a misogynist and made snarky comments towards him. It was like watching a 5th grader arguing with the principle. The narcissistic vibes are absolutely off the walls. Had to stop halfway through because I genuinely couldn't stomach how absolutely insufferable she was.
Wild that she admitted the best arguments are the ones that appeal to your emotions. Her ideal debate would be two people dumping traumatic events on each other until one of the cries so hard they can’t speak.
You mean when she was asked to steelman? Of course she is going to be as emphatic as possible when doing so, yet she outlined a clear openly relatable motivation for her detractors touching upon the highly unfortunate scenario of rape. What more do you want exactly? Perhaps you can offer an anti abortion steelman at least.
@@bennypit4411 he said after a certain point, which we can disagree with if we want but before that 20-24 mark hes 100% happy to let that child have an abortion.
@bennypit4411 ripping out context points because he said 20-24 weeks when it came to adult women that are capable or carrying a child, a 11 year old would simply die
This embarrassed me so hard. How can someone not be self aware? They both talked over him, interrupted him, and seemed angry... but then attacked him like he was the one doing those things? What the heck????
I like how right after Kristin says she’s against socialized healthcare, Lila says she wants child tax credits and for birth to be free. And they smile and nod at each other right through that with no irony detected.
Lila&Kristan: You're making an argument from emotion. Also Lila&Kristan: So you're saying the doctor drags the baby out of the womb with a plunger, ties the placenta to a rocket and launches the baby into space? What kind of monster are you?
@@cg12675 My comment said babies so no. Babies do not, in fact, get removed from the womb with an abortion. Even so. The hyperbole was everything after that.
I think they need a team of like 50 scholars being paid 6 figures for a result that has even a semblance of a pro-life victory. The position is so shit that a 3rd preson wouldn't help much.
Yeah, it'll allow them to talk over him better. They did a horrible job here allowing him to get a sentence in here and there before interrupting smh maybe 4 would be better
@@TheEverFreeKing i wish i could live with these levels of delusions and have a firm belief that im connected to reality in any way whatsoever. I envy you, I truly do.
2 of the most dishonest people I've ever seen in a debate. The loaded language was nonstop, the lack of charity was astounding, the victim mentality, it shows how weak their position is when the wont even let destiny speak for more than 5 seconds
@@TheEverFreeKing Nice trolling, now say psyche. I would love if you could actually tell me HOW he was destroyed instead of taking the side of two people who wouldn't let him answer a single question?
1:19:14 "Can you sit up?" "No. If you're going to treat me like a child then I'm going to act like a child." Is Destiny being mature about this? No. But is it funny as fuck? Oh my god yes, it's absolutely hysterical.
This is where these women go wrong- she is saying wait for the baby to have consciousness which means have the baby at full term since nothing is wrong with the child. Yet, women should not have to have babies if they do not want to it is forceful. Also women debating men on this subject is ridiculous. These ladies will never get their point across and Destiny will never understand what these women saying because he is a MAN and they are WOMEN. His ego will NOT allow him to hear- and these women will lead to others emotion and automatically go on defence. Pointless. Some subjects should be left for the master of that subject, just sayin. 🤷🏽♀️😌
This debate made my pro choice position so much ingrained and justified. These women had no convincing arguments and relied on bad faith tactics to try to wrestle control.
of course because for these people - it is a matter of "their faith." they want to interfere in other people's lives, and are seeking justification for doing so. It is that simple.
The entire 4 hours summed up in a few lines Destiny: Consciousness is what makes a human "human". A fetus at 20-24 weeks has not yet developed consciousness, therefore it is not yet a person, so we can delete it Them: But why does consciousness matter? Rinse and repeat for 4 hours
@@youtubeenjoyer1743ctually for me it's a super valid point and I was prolife (I stated was because after hearing the girls not wanting to accept that without the components aka brain there is no conscious) I am starting to rethink my position
@@RoDaX55 But why does consciousness matter? Whatever consciousness is, abortion is intentional killing of a human in its early stage of life. Even after death, when it loses whatever consciousness is, it's still a human. If it's not a human without consciousness, then what species does it belong to?
Again, three hours 33 minutes 34 seconds. They’re just spouting bullshit. She says that they’re 15% in effective with chemical abortions. Not true. Chemical abortions, also known as medical abortions, typically involve the use of medication to terminate a pregnancy. The process usually consists of two medications: mifepristone (which blocks the hormone progesterone) and misoprostol (which induces contractions). 1. **Percentage of Chemical Abortions**: In the United States, as of recent data, approximately 50% to 60% of abortions are medical (chemical) abortions. This percentage can vary based on factors such as location, access to healthcare, and changes in abortion laws. 2. **Effectiveness**: Chemical abortions are highly effective when performed within the recommended timeframe. The effectiveness is approximately 95% to 98% when the medications are used within the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. If the process is followed correctly, the vast majority of women will successfully terminate their pregnancies using this method. It’s important for individuals considering this option to consult healthcare providers for guidance, ensure they are within the appropriate gestational age, and receive proper medical care throughout the process.
The number if times they said Destiny wasn't answering the question, while they refused to answer his questions and he continued to answer theirs was so damn frustrating.
There, the people trying to prove destiny wrong, not the other way around. You gotta talk a lot to try and convey your personal perspective on moralty and life.
19 weeks old in the womb...it is alive but it's not a human being. 20 weeks old in the womb(1 week later).... it is alive and it's now a human being. I don't really care about abortion but Destiny is making the dumbest argument I've ever heard. He's defending his argument well but it's a dumb as heII argument to make.
@@bennypit4411 its more so from a legal standpoint is what im understanding? Im pro choice but i also personally would feel its kinda "gross" to abort after a certain point unless its medically needed. Bc after a certain stage in the development it is far more human feeling to me personally, but i also domt decide what others do. Destiny did just argue from a legal standpoint when a fetus/baby should have the human right to not be "killed"
@@bennypit4411obviously there is a line somewhere and that line will always be semi-arbitrary The idea that drawing a line anywhere is dumb is clinically insane. Moon logic
Kristan contributes absolutely nothing to this conversation. Lila and Destiny had some genuinely interesting exchanges (despite Lila and Kristan frequently interrupting), and Kristan made it her mission to bulldoze as many logical discussions as possible. I feel that she definitely set the tone for interruptions from the two women. I found myself cringing every time she began to speak, because she was unable to form a singular cogent argument or provide one constructive point in a four hour long conversation. Kristan is insufferable. Truly the bottom of the pro-life barrel.
This is largely true. I watched the whole thing. Lila and Destiny, imo, were both legitimately good faith arguers. I will even say that Destiny saying THEY were bad faith was wrong, it was only Kristan who was obnoxious and had cringey bad faith takes. Maybe he didn't want to pick sides or whatever. Kristan is better at arguing with college students with terrible arguments. Destiny is not that - and Lila was, to my surprise and delight(never heard of her before this, that I recall), willing and able to engage in the heat of battle - and I will even say held her own pretty damn well. Kristan should not have been there at all, and I hope Destiny takes Lila up on her offer to do her podcast; ideally without Kristan and just 1 on 1. She's (Kristan) not the bottom of the pro-life barrel. Trust me, there is worse. But she was WAY out of her league here. Destiny's arguments were coherent, consistent and reasonable - and Lila threw it back very well, and correctly attacked the few 'mirky' parts of his argument that even he conceded were not entirely the strongest. Destiny won by far - and Lila may have tied if Kristan wasn't there. I say this as a pro-life person myself.
Kristan actually "almost" managed to raise some good points when pressing Destiny on which one has much more devastating consequences, but she just would rather load it with bad faith arguments instead.
@@thegrunbeld6876 Yes that's true. The idea of applying Pascal's Wager to the consequences of abortion is actually a strong pro-life argument. His argument of probability is actually fairly weak - given that the consequence of abortions is humans lives(infinite value) vs inconvenience women for ~9 months(finite value).
@@CrimsonWolf69 right? I dont see the reason to be an insufferable jerk, instead of simply arguing like a normal person. I've seen her debates with destiny before and she just didn't even want to understand the other side argument. She came to preach.
@@thegrunbeld6876 Wait, she has other stuff with Destiny? Yikes.... dare I google.... I really liked Lila - I hope she does other stuff with Destiny. She seemed genuinely good faith.
@@CEWIII9873for real. A human from an objective standpoint is one of the most insane, complicated, mind-blowing things ever, but from a subjective and societal standpoint, humanity was one of the worst things that has ever come out of this planet. We have felt and given out more and different unique kinds of suffering than could have ever been imagined. There is no reason we should ever create a single more human, much less fight for the existence of humans that would damage the lives of people who are already here even further...
I actually do the same thing. I call them pro-abortion (access) and anti-abortion (access). Makes it as neutral as possible without the loaded language.
Just remember guys: - Never answer an opponents hypothetical and question its validity - Answer a question with an unrelated question - Question the validity of your opponents questions, but give no reason why they are invalid - Steamroll your opponent so they cant respond to all of your points - Interrupt them at all times to prevent them from responding to your points Did I miss anything?
Feels like destiny won immediately when he pointed out these two women work for an organization that profits from them having these views. Destiny gains nothing for continuing his train of thought
Oh please. Do you think your blue haired "destiny" youtuber does all this stuff from the compassion of his heart? You are either an underpaid professional boot licker, or a very failed chat bot.
@@andrejules9154 Yes, I hate how they try to use the “I’m a woman, I know more about how this feels for us women than you” when statistically a vast majority of women are pro choice. Cringe how they sometimes pretended they “speak for women”
Brian really dropped the ball, he needed to get involved more and the constant interruption. Even potentially kicking out one of them because they time and time again, continued to interrupt.
General rule of thumb that if you ever find yourself shouting "HOW DARE YOU!" during a debate: you might as well just pack your things up and go home at that point.
@@gamegod273He was absolutely immensely triggered. To suggest otherwise must mean you had a lobotomy recently. It couldn't be any more obvious that he was incredibly triggered the entire time. Just because he does it in a smug, douchebag manner with lame jokes and sarcasm doesn't mean he's not triggered.
The fact that several times when Tiny was trolling or being sarcastic they genuinely thought he was making some huge mask off admission was hilarious to me. That and the fact she kept claiming science and saying "Human rights by nature of being a member of the human family". Cringe and insufferable
@@hijklmnopreaper I’m guessing their stated positions are a post-hoc justification because they feel the need to present a rational argument for objections to abortion that are religious in nature. Lila slipped up once & mentioned souls, Kristen the first time she went down the “what if you’re wrong?” path was about to invoke standing in front of God in the afterlife waiting for judgment then quickly changed the topic. They know they can’t win a largely secular audience with “Abortion is wrong because humans are created in the image of God.” Though I think they’d be better off just being honest. As it stands they aren’t changing anyone’s mind and they come across kinda disingenuous.
You listen to their argument you very quickly realize they have a two step argument, step one, what they believe is an absolute fact, step two, if you have any evidence that absolutely prove them wrong. See step one.
Felt like Lila was sooo biased that she genuinely couldn't understand what Destiny was trying to say, but I can feel she was trying to have a debate. Kristin was just bad faith, very condescending.
the amount of intelligence I gained listening to Destiny’s arguments was completely offset by the brain damage I suffered while listening to these two women. I’m at a breakeven. I’ve basically gained nothing. 😂
If $hit was sugar farmers would not plant cane.. if we leave the fetus it will grow into a baby. It’s not a kid. It becomes a child. Only if the mother wants it. The fetus was delivered and got life saving measures so it developed consciousness because it survived and the parties involved wanted the fetus to survive, if the fetus died it would have been a miscarriage.
no that’s the only point that we can be sure of a number to assign them one since birth otherwise no one would have a birthday, because it would be impossible to decipher when they got conceived. human life begins at conception which is an irrefutable fact. therefore yes in the human concept of time that we have created it would make the baby their age+ the 6-10 months since they were conceived. although that is not we measure it.
...Yes, we don't. You're shoving the goal post in very inappropriate places. Pro-life people move it in the complete opposite direction if they want to call someone "child murderer" instead of "zygote or embyro murderer" Loaded language. I get that. I personally think this wishful new definition of "age" confuses even most christians and you are arguing it with people who don't believe there is anyone to discriminate against to begin with. I respect your views and appreciate the answer but we have to find a reasonable middle when we use certain terms instead of making the other side look as bad as possible.
@florianschmoldt8659 let me start by clarifying I am agnostic (more atheist) and that yes I use terms such as zygote and embryo, as they are scientific terms to describe stages of development in a baby so I would have no problem saying “human zygote or embryo murderer” because that is a human child merely in the earliest stages of life. The reason I may choose not to in the majority of the time, is because pro choicers use these terms to dehumanise the baby and use those words as a weapon to avoid the FACT that they are young human lives. I’m not moving anything in the opposite direction, I’m stating that in our society we have created that is how we measure age, (like many other human concepts that work to sustain a working organised society**, like the concept of TIME which is a human made construct which is what age is based on bc what does age mean without the concept of time. **bc let me repeat no one would ever have a “birthday” or perhaps “lifeday”, as in the moment their life began, not when they are born, exiting the birth canal) BUT For example in Korea they have a different system of measuring age as they start the ‘number of age’ beginning at conception, but since they have no clear day of when the baby was conceived they assign the new born baby as 1 years old when they come out, and that’s how it works for them which is only one example of this system being used. If it’s not age discrimination what is it? When do u think human life begins? Because if ur answer is any other answer than conception u are simply wrong there’s nothing else I can add to that, and the right to life is a human right , however for some reason in 67 countries we decide that the unborn just doesn’t count and we legalise the murder of them.
@maya_gabriella If someone asks when MY life began...honest answer: The day I was born. If you are sticking to "human life"...the collection of cells you are refering to are less complex than plants who could be labeled "alive" and definitely less complex than the animal you had on your sandwich. The only difference is your projection what that organism will become. Good on you being an atheist but it only makes sense if especially human cells are sacred by default and I can't see any good reason for that claim. Even if we casually say "I'm having a baby", there is a reason science seperates cells, zygotes, embryos from babies. Not to dehumanise but I don't like it if someone shoves a picture of a 8 month old baby in my face to emotionalize the discussion either. I'm german. We have 12weeks and if someone want's to argue it reaches into a questionable time frame, fair enough. I personally don't see much of a human to dehumanise up to 6 weeks. Back to the "age discrimination"...Even if I entertain the phrasing...what does it even mean? American humans have the right to own guns, cars, pron, alcohol. We restrict the access based on good reason and science. Or is it just age discrimination? There is a line that needs to drawn.
There is nothing wrong with age "discrimination." We deny rights to minors all the time. Children can't vote or drive in most cases. Because they lack maturity. Fetuses don't get the right to life because they lack a consciousness and autonomy.
Destiny: If you replace the brain, is it the same person? Prolifer: Yes. How do you continue the debate at this point? How does this person even survive on earth?
They think that a person's soul is where their consciousness and mind are from because they are Christian fundamentalists. They don't believe the brain has as much to do with who someone is as it does because of the religious dogma they are indoctrinated with.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 that specific question had nothing to do with abortion directly, it was to prove what part of the 'body' we ascribe to be 'human', the whole body or the brain, which would then lend credence to destiny's initial point about when the brain starts actually functioning after 20 weeks in the pregnancy, before that 20 week mark the brain doesn't function, ergo it isn't human, ergo it doesn't have human rights. and 'can' be aborted without consideration of whether or not you're 'killing' a human life.
@@dredge4176 So it's not just the question, it's the whole argument that is retarded. I guess before a zygote has a functioning brain, it's not really a human, but a squirrel.
1:03:30 Kristen: "I'm going to start talking to you like I talk to my four boys." Let's all just take a moment of silence for those boys and their upcoming inexplicable life-long hatred of women...
the women came out of the self assembling tesla analogy thinking that he wouldn't kill the car, i think he would if the mother wanted it and he either was railroaded (even with such a conveniently for him positioned argument) or he was answering the question they asked which was "if i didn't want my tesla killed would you kill my tesla" which has an obvious negative answer. it could be that destiny thinks the baby's connectedness to the mother somehow matters but i don't think that was the argument he was making, they do be so angwy thoou
Shout out Brian for letting me post the full video here so we have a record of this special debate on Destiny's channel as well.
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Thanks Bee Rai
Actually pretty chill of him
He's officially overtaken Brian from Family Guy in my Top Ten Brians rankings with this.
W Brian if you see this. Please improve your moderation skills tho.
What's the timestamp from where the last video ended?
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This needs to be pinned
I’m dying 😂
2:18:43 timestamp for the first point Destiny could finish uninterrupted.
😂😂😂😂
You forgot the time stamps
Destiny gets told not to interrupt
Destiny gets told not to interrupt
Destiny gets told not to interrupt
Destiny let’s women speak
Women cut destiny off
Destiny gets told not to interrupt
Lmaoooooo
Gotta respect the girl next to destiny for respectfully sitting there quietly and listening.
Some say she’s still sitting there to this day
i was like dang shes hot then i realized that i'm correct
Geez, I loled so hard. 🤣
too bad the girls he was debating couldn't stfu for two seconds and let him talk.
destiny is such a loser for coming on there ,a podcast that only exists to bash women
“So he’s changing his position from 20 - 24 weeks down to 20”
Couldn’t take her seriously after that
mfw 20 is within the range of 20-24 😮
She was so smug when she said that too 😅
HOW DARE YOU
Kinda wish D didn’t attack their monetary incentives so early on. It’s obvious that they’re mentally challenged, possibly to the point where they don’t even understand what money is
Yeah I lost my shit when watching this last night and she said that. I figured for like 20 minutes straight that Destiny was just trolling her by not saying "okay fine 20 weeks" when she was all hung up about 20-24 being super vague. I figured all she wanted was for him to say 20 weeks and he knew it and he was just letting her stew by not giving her what she wanted.
And then he did, and she still wasn't fucking happy lol it was actually one of the most bonkers moments I've ever seen in a debate
Accusing a man of being misogynistic while defending a womans right to choose is a wild take.
Like pro bombing conservatives stating they care for life...white life's matter.
RIGHT?? they always wanna pull the misogynist card
How many females lose their lives from that choice before they're even born?
Look @frishter , my take on this abortion shit is,
Will a Fetus wash the shit stains out of your underwear? No right? Then eff off
No one has a RIGHT to choose life and death of another person. That's God's job
Kristan Hawkins is living proof that consciousness can take much much longer to develop than 24 weeks.
Touché
Savage
Is this an overweight joke?
@@jh299110 its a low consciousness joke....
best comment
I swear I’m not a destiny fanboy but when he said abortion isn’t that relevant to the red pill space because 90% of the audience are virgins I cried laughing
I've met a few red pill guys, and that statement is accurate. I feel bad for them
Totally! I spit out a little water when he dropped that bomb 😂
Time stamp pleas
This is why he’s so popular, he can match a very emotionally charged opposition with rational hilarity.
It's not whether they have the potential mate for sex or knocking up a one-night-stand. It is solidarity through their love of their fellow man, the least protected of which is the un/pre-born.
Not letting him finish a statement and continuously talking over him apparently equals a “win” to them .
These two women are so fucking stupid. I admire the patience that Steven has. I would have burned that place down.
And then saying “excuse me” fuck it’s awful
@@TheEverFreeKing You sound like you knew who was going to win before the debate even started. Yup we all know what 'team' you were cheering for...🙄🙄
@@TheEverFreeKingYoure trolling.
@@TheEverFreeKing Every time those two bitchy karens spoke I kept craving Advil 🤢
"un-rape" is an insane term. How can they seriously think carrying your rapist baby to full term would not retraumatize them? It would retraumatize them every moment of their existence for the whole 9 months.
even beyond that. that child is gonna have a permanent reminder of their rapist walking around for the rest of her life, which would suck for the both of them or worse, that 11 year old is no longer alive due to complications of birth. for them to not even think about that for 2 seconds is crazy
"OH my apologies, I interrupted your question with my answer" - Destiny lmfao
Straight snort laughed at that one
Haha I choked 😂
time stamp?
@@knjparadise ah I don't remember, it's been awhile! I should've clipped it
wtf lmao
Calling someone a misogynist for advocating for woman's rights is actually insane.
You have to ignore another person's right in the case of abortion.
@@Oopsy75254only if you consider a tiny clump of cells a person.
Destiny has repeated his position multiple times, that pregnancy is the process of creating a person.
So if the fetus develops enough that brain activity can be observed (20-24 weeks), he considers that a person so an abortion shouldn’t be allowed unless the mother’s life is in danger.
So if you cancel the person creating process before the person actually forms (no brain activity, no consciousness, no senses), no “person” is being harmed.
murdering children as birth control is evil and gross and insane
Like she said already she knows someone who had twins before the 20 to 24 weeks. Now do u still think it should be allowed?
@@FACTS-mk5mi it’s like anti-abortion people are TRYING to not understand Destiny’s argument lol
What you said is basically: “If an abortion shouldn’t be allowed if the brain is developed enough, what about this one fringe case where the brain was developed enough at 20 weeks???”
If the brain is developed enough that the fetus is conscious, then yes, an abortion shouldn’t be allowed.
This isn’t hard. 😂
I've suffered so much brain damage watching the pro life advocates that it is now ethical to pull the plug on me.
based
ethical to pull the plug on them*
Don't talk about it, be about it. At least you'll have the choice...
😩😅
I have dain bramage
The fact he was able to sit there for 4 hours while two women continuously misrepresent his position is hero-level patience.
Those women are so obnoxious. They spent an exorbitant amount of energy trying to frame Destiny’s position instead of just asking him. Then when their emotional argument doesn’t hold up, they start virtues signaling, and calling destiny misogynistic. Go back to debating college kids, let the grown-ups talk
So real
This would have been so much better if it was just Lila and Destiny. Kristan dragged the debate down so much with the interruptions and bad faith questions. So many times during this debate (around 2:24:15 onwards you can see this) even Lila is getting frustrated with Kistan's inability to not interrupt.
Colledge aged people are adults weirdo
@@rohanking12able Especially the ones that spell college with a ‘d’
Thank you for logically expressing what I am feeling.
fucking insane hearing them say you're all over the place when you're repeating the same exact thing over and over again
Destiny lost this debate
@@TurtleChad1No offense but that is a pretty magical opinion. I don't know how you could hear these two people completely ignore anything destiny said and just talk over him to the point destiny stopped taking it seriously
@@TurtleChad1what parts of this debate caused him to lose?
@@tb8654all parts
Lol source I made it the fuck up
As a woman, I wish I was next to Destiny. These women are the WORST with their double talk and double standards.
Fr I lost it when the fat one (not in a mean way I just don't know her name rn) screamed something about misogyny like omfg aren't u the one trying to take our rights away?😭
And Kristan’s double chin 😂
@johnc4534 bubble bass's more annoying cousin
Sad…
Right!
They are preaching not debating. They never answer a thing... theyve informed me on literally zero things that would contribute to me shifting my position on the topic.
The amount of interruptions from the women made this impossible to watch
They're manic evangelists without a valid position, they lie about science in order to further the abortion "debate" because pastor indoctrinated them from birth. The abortion debate is nothing but a political wedge issue created by the Christian right when advocating for segregation stopped being a viable tool to get them political power.
And when they’re not interrupting, they’re twisting his questions to a different variation of said question. Really poor debate skills from them
They literally have not let him answer a SINGLE question before they try to jump in with a christian church "gotcha!" rabbit trail.
Yep I had to stop about 12 mins in, they just sounded like a “I wanna talk to the manager” white noise machine
fr
The smugness coming off Kristin is suffocating. She clearly wants to win the argument more than she wants to hold the right position.
@TheEverFreeKing she won nothing. This must be her burner account, since she's the only one who believes she won.
@@2750djbt I think they're joking, they have to be
She shrieked "MISOGYNY" unironically. She's a smug buffoon.
@TheEverFreeKing it's a lil sad you think that was a win 😬
@@2750djbt look at his other comments😂 he's trolling hard AF just to start arguments 😂
Kristen is insufferable.
“You’re so condescending you misogynist”
then
“I know science is very hard to understand”
Everything she gets mad at destiny for doing she labels as misogyny, but does the exact same things 10x.
The difference is that Destiny had a coherent position while she did not.
A lot of them do this. I think it's because those are the criticisms they've received that they've actually latched onto, and use them as last ditch ammunition because they look for those criticisms in everyone they disagree with.
It's a wildly insulated perspective, and a worse way of dealing with new information.
This is maddening. Did she really say "I really love men yelling at women" after she spent the last 10 min gaslighting the shit out of him. lol! This is terrible. They make so many logical fallacies, its amazing Destiny didn't just explode from frustration.
I feel like the conversation would have been more productive without Kristan.
Melissa McCarthy but even more insufferable**
"thats right"
It would have been a much lighter conversation.
@@tm5123I C what you did there 😮😂
This was uploaded 5 mins ago. Watch it fully before commenting for likes
My brain wanted to self terminate 20 minutes in.
I like the girl with the blue hair, she contributed greatly to this conversation.
😂😂😂
Bruh 💀
Which one?
She's my anime waifu.
@@zhenyucai8688yeah people don't know here that Destiny is a woman's name
"We know we won." Words from every loser of a debate.
they have won the award of being the most insufferable debate opponents.
I remember she was already claiming "winning" in the first 20 mins of the 4 hour debate.
9:33 "Can you respond to that?" While he's literally in the middle of responding to you!!!
Well, they did win, but we're annoying throughout.
@@nb4411no
If you don't believe abortion should be an option, don't have one. Period. If you believe all humans have rights, then humans who want to have an abortion have that right as well, no?
Are fetuses included in the "all humans have rights"
well, no. The point of these people is that they think abortion is murder. Imagine if you lived in a society that allows for murder, and then tells you "well, if you don't like killing, then don't kill others"
But if you believed the rights of another person were being violated by someone else, certainly you would not see anything wrong in interfering
Kristan was being super bad faith when she said that Destiny was a misogynist. As we all know, Destiny is a strong, independent woman herself. It is always so sad to see this woman on woman violence going on. So toxic
Lol since when do y'all started referring Destiny as woman? I'm curious coz I actually don't know the deets.
@@ajaycyriljose9419 Jesse also said that Destiny is a womans name during a podcast with him
@@ajaycyriljose9419 it's an inside joke of sorts I'd say.
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Weird take but ok
@@leebliss3622It's. A. Meme.
At first I thought they were intellectually bad faith but as time went on I realised it was just stupidity.
this is what happens when people base their entire lives and belief systems on a nonsense book of lies about an omnipotent sky wizard
I think the fat one was self aware and being purposefully 'bad faith' but the other one genuinely was lacking coherent view on the issue and understanding of destiny's take. I wouldnt be suprised if she was coached to interrupt like the fat one consistently did but after being called out and made fun of for it too many times she stopped mostly.
activists are the worst to debate. They never have thought about their positions, they inherit them from their family or environment and just advocated for those things since young.
@@CEWIII9873 I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who is an omnipotent sky wizard, so HOW DARE YOU.
@@tofoooh9009 So one is fat, and the other is dumb. That's a good summary.
Kristan: "I've very seriously considered what if i was wrong"
Also Kristan every time someone disagrees: "thank you for the misogony"
I've gone through medical hardships in my life easier to endure than hearing her talk throughout this video
I've been and still am going thru multiple medical hardships most of my life and I can confidently say being in excruciating pain every second of every day is far easier to endure than hearing her talk and even more preferable...
She is why men, on average, die younger than women!
@@TheEverFreeKingReally?
@@TheEverFreeKing ur making me consider whether I have autism or not, can u please add emotion indicators at the end of your text so that I can decide whether to think ur funny or r worded.
@@TheEverFreeKing simp
Destiny never mentioned that banning abortion is giving a fetus super rights. That fetus has a right to feed off of somebody without their consent
I still can't get over the fact she doesn't know 21 is between 20-24.
i was thinking the same, during entire debate
They either actually don’t know how ranges work or they are being very bad faith, which felt like they were for a lot of this.
As bad as they were, I think you missed the point. Fatty`s argument was that you become human at week 20 while destiny was saying 21-24 at the start, and then moved it to 20-24. Her point then was that he moved the range 1 week, making the embio "human" sooner. His point was it is redundant, which it was, but fatty went ballistic over it.
I can’t get over the fact she’s allowed to have a platform
@@TheJordanK They can't help but be bad faith because they represent anti-abortion organistations and just can't afford to concede a point because that would affect their donations and their careers. I just feel a younger Lila without an organisation to represent would have debated in good faith. Can't say the same about Kirsten.
This is why debates need proper moderators. These women were insufferable.
I had to give up 10mins in.
Fr starting to realize how useless Brian is. Just sits there and interrupts to read chats instead of controlling the debate
@@spencerrichmond5845The doll there would have been a better mod 😂
It's hard to moderate when there is 3 women in an argument
2V1 wasn't enough, they had to cut off Destiny every other word. It was completely ridiculous. The silver lining is that it did make them look bad. 😊
Kristan finally recognizing that Destiny was consistent after 2 hours of screaming the opposite until Lila lost the plot actually fried my brain cells
Please bless me with a timestop dawg, cant stand listening to these two for the whole thing, but that sounds funny
@@ALostMap no no no.. we suffered and you have to too!
@@ALostMap You have to pay the 4 hour tax of brain rot t to experience the few great moments.
@@hikaz8704you guys are the opposite of those hero’s who provide time stamps. You’re super villains.
@@peewee0224 idk if we are cool enough to be "super" villains but sure.
I honestly kind of hate any and all arguments on abortion that aren’t about the woman/person with the uterus. I despise people who can just ignore that there’s a whole person there. A whole person who you’re forcing to go through this. To take this risk to their health and possibly life. Pregnancy is not a walk in the park. Labor and delivery is not a walk in the park. People die from childbirth all the damn time. Take THAT into consideration. We shouldn’t be allowed to tell someone they have to risk their life even for the sake of another. And anyone having an abortion in the 3rd trimester isn’t doing it because they want to.
Thank you. Speaking about the pregnancy as if it’s just a floating womb.
I also hated the hypothetical about the separate wombs. Once the baby is done growing where is the baby going to go if the mother didnt want it? Would they force the mother to take care of the child or put her ANOTHER child through the foster care system.
I hope I’m making sense cuz I’m only about 50 minutes in and there’s so much I wish I was there in person to point out. The headache I have right now…
Most frustrating debate ive ever listened to. They are purposely misunderstanding just to "win"
@@TheEverFreeKingyou're miserable 😂😂😂
@@TheEverFreeKinglol
Right? I’m literally pro-life and 100% side with Destiny… yikes
Throughout the whole thing I kept trying to decide if they were being bad faith or if they were just stupid. I honestly still am not sure. I think Lila was somewhat trying, but seemed to play off kristan a lot. But Kristan I'm not sure which one, perhaps both.
@@TheEverFreeKing nice bait bro
It's actually incredible how well Destiny performed in this 1v2, considering he literally wasn't able to speak 95% of the time without being labeled a misogynist, immature or RUDE of all things.
Oh please, he interrupted plenty
@@beanybabyrabieafter it was repeatedly done to him
@@beanybabyrabiehe had to interrupt
He wasn't even being any of those things. Kristin was the one who was prejudiced against men (misandry) by the constant amount of contemptuous, patronising comments.
@@FeterMalgorzata HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
Did she honestly just say: "You keep talking when I'm talking!" after interrupting, shouting, talking over and being condecending for about two hours? Holy heck, the self-awareness of these women..
At least the other one changed her behavior after a while and realized she kept interrupting
Yeah...because he was interrupting them constantly as well. I keep seeing Destiny groupies saying this as if it's valid. It's such a one-sided, ridiculous claim. You know damn well he was interrupting too. It's a debate. 🤦🏼
@@travisreifke4356 I'm, by no means, a "Destiny groupie". I just started watching his debate videos about a week ago.
To me, it just seemed like if he wanted any sort of chance to get a word in edgewise he had to interrupt them every one in a while - compared to them doing it constatly.
But as he states, it's a pointless debatemne since they are so invested in their platforms that they will never chance their minds or concede on any points whatsoever.
@@bluefacedquack2799 I'm not saying you are a Destiny groupie. I was simply saying that I saw Destiny groupies saying that same thing.
I think they know they are obnoxious and hypocritical to the point it makes people puke. That's what got them into the positions in life they are in now.
Its tiring hearing pro life people pretending that the life is the most important thing.
It's a contradictory position and often just about forcing their opinions and morals on others.
Kristan: "You're arguing from emotion"
Also Kristan: HOW DARE YOU?!?
😂😂
Lila steel manning Destiny: "Destiny's arguments are shit but the emotional arguments are the best and really get to me we should really be helping those poor women."
"How DARE you compare miscarriage to child neglect!!1!"
5 minutes later, dressed tuxedo wojak: "whoa are you triggered Destiny? Are you triggered? Triggered huh??"
Both sides usually argue with their emotions in this topic.
@@SupplySideJesusListen I completely agree with you, but this is the corniest comment I’ve ever read I’m sorry bruh this sucks
the level of respect i have for Destiny skyrocketed with this debate. his ability to endure immeasurable degrees of obstinance and weaponized ignorance is on par with David Blaine magic.
Facts
I actually quite disliked him before from what little I've seen from him before. Completely changed my opinion on him, especially since he uses arguments I've discussed with friends before.
@TheAlex11880 Yea, I have my ups and downs with him, but it's hard to say he's not good at what he does. And this is one of his best showings as far as staying locked in and consistent with his arguments.
Well said
I wasnt really a fan for a long time, id heard small things and i was a infrequent watcher of.. HASAN...but then the whole thing with him calling people saltines(code) leading me to Destinys reaction of that whole kerfuffle. Ever since ive slowly become more and more of a fan. I share a lot of his core beliefs, if not always his attitude or views. He did great here, idk if i could have stuck through the whole videos if i hadnt had a logical buoy to grasp onto in the sea of bad faith.
these two were so convincing that i totally changed my position - i'm now in favor of 105th term abortions
105th term is how old? 😅
@@danielsurvivor1372roughly 34
Same 🤣🤣🤣🤣
bro i thought i wasnt for it but after watching this it all just sounds dumb XD
that simp donator is full evidence we should abort some babies.
She's so mad that she's stuck home with 4 kids and a cheating husband.
the lady keeps accusing destiny of being condescending but shes literally the only one being condescending
She just thinks he’s condescending cause she’s the one feeling inferior.
She combined the worst aspects of left woke feminism with pro life
@@f.r.etling6226 This is not feminism, feminism is equality between men and women. These people are arguing a false notion that sperm and egg are afforded the same mental faculties as a fully grown child.
@@ibnibz2636 She played the “you’re just a misogynist” card a lot. that’s feminism for ya
“I’m interrupting your question with my answer” -Destiny sums up this entire debate accurately 😂😂😂
this was the perfect response
34:20 You'd have to go back a bit to hear the question, but i don't think it mattered, she really didn't wait long to interrupt.
Yea I loved that. I’m sorry I’m interrupting your question with. My answer. I’m stealing that
This is the worst debate I've ever seen, the moderator did not moderate whatsoever. Both ladies need to learn how to debate properly, constantly interrupting while screaming is not a debate - yikes!
Gotta remember bro, the true purpose of these videos isn’t actually to debate, it’s to entertain and farm content.
A) This is in no sense a serious channel. 100% for entertainment.
B) He did try once but Destiny told him don't worry I've got it don't be a third person interrupting me. And I'm not sure the birds even remembered there was anyone else in the room.
Holy fuck Gish gallop
Destiny asked him to not moderate and that he can handle those two.
There are exceptions where women find out that their wanted pregnancy will not be viable outside of their womb… they 100% should not be forced to give birth.
Her: You can't use a hypothetical that's not based in reality, it doesn't match the situation!
Also her, 10 minutes prior: So what if you talk to GOD and he tells you that you were wrong?
Edit: And it doesn't end there folks
Her: I hate when men ask these stupid questions like "Do you understand that blue and purple are different?" as if you're stupid UGH
Also her: "Do you honestly believe that consciousness is just injected after conception at some point" / "Do you honestly think the mother's body tells the child how to grow?"
More stuff that never happened?
When the heck did she say that about God, did I miss it?
Timestamp?
@@Mant111maybe halfway through, I watched it in pieces
@@Mant111 yeah she def said it i dunno the timestamp dont be lazy
@@Mant111 15:17
yeah, we had some songs in the nineties about this already
"What if God Was One of Us"
"Tell Me All Your Thoughts on God"
I hope Lila and Kristan read my comment and discover that they single handedly cemented my belief in being pro-choice. They did the exact opposite of their intention by being combative, inattentive and downright obnoxious
Lila was not so bad, but if you'd like them to read your comment you should comment on their channel where they post like they've won the debate or wtv's channel assuming they posted the full debate there too.
Let’s be honest. No one changed their view on either side
@@TheEverFreeKing That's not how I see it at all 😂
@@justinabajian1087 Actually, I'm kind of sliding towards destiny's position. I defined birth by dead, heart beat and brain activity. The biggest problem is that it's hard to tell when those things happen in certain situations, so you may be locking women o out before they even realize they're pregnant. The idea of consciousness being the thing that's defended follows basically the same argument but gives women more time, it's tugging at my position the more I think about it.
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Yes kristan was annoying but PLEASE do not let lila off the hook . SHE COULD BARELY LET HIM SPEAK AS WELL . Both were horrible . Lila gave less smart remarks an I’ll give her a 1% chance of good faith in her argument 😂. But other than that they are both horrible debaters . I’ve never seen Lila interrupt this much. I think she knew destiny has very strong points . She didn’t want him to ask questions so she could not get challenged.
I also can’t stand that she is so upset but her eyes are smiling it’s so strange
Lady literally bit the bullet on "If I take your brain out are you still the same person"
@@CarosAnon I literally gasped and my eyes widened. Then it I stayed like that expecting to relax when she backpedaled but she never did. What a damn loon.
Tbh kristan was def the better debater between the 2 but she was also like 5 times as annoying so 🤷
While both were horrible interrupters I think the difference is that Lila was at least actually engaging with Destiny's arguments (to whatever extent she allowed herself to do it)
"I think 20-24 weeks is conscious"
Well! What if the child is born at 21 weeks!!!!!
....that precisely falls between 20-24 weeks.
My favorite part is when Destiny gives them the logical extension of their own argument and they get super offended by it.
So the entire debate?
@@JaneDoe-px9nm Well, yeah. I was talking specifically about 48:50
My favorite part was when they cut him off..
...so the entire debate
THEY CONVINCED ME, I WOULD RATHER SAVE THE 10 EMBRYOS THAN THESE 2 WOMEN FROM A BURNING BUILDING ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
Iconic comment
LMAO they are tryna make him fumble by asking him 7 questions/second, but Destiny is an actual debate lord
“Kristan Hawkins and Lila rose do not understand the words capacity or consciousness for four hours”
The best part was when she said, "I love it when men yell at me." After talking over him for half an hour. As if those are the magic words to silence men. Those two women were horrible, disingenuous, narcissistic, self absorbed, bad faith debaters.
They were upset because they trying to get a man who is not an Dr or expert in this to understand where they are coming from as biological women. They will lose cause 1. He is a man and his ego will not allow him to see the bigger picture 2. He will never understand what women and carrying a child entails. 3. He already feels he is superior than them on the basis he is a man. This debate is so pointless. He will disagree because men are not the agreeable type. These ladies wasting their time. One thing my father taught me is don’t bother argue with men. They will never listen to women or only listen to the parts that benefit them. Save your breath. My father was right - as a woman I want to keep my peace.🤷🏽♀️😌
@@sg5720They we’re upset because they have about three lines they use to stump most low-information people on abortion topics, and neither of them bothered to deal with a destiny’s slightly nuanced argument. There’s nothing about being a woman which makes you or them incapable of making a decent argument to a man.
@@sg5720 he will lose cause 1. they are women and their emotions will not allow them to see the bigger picture 2. they will never understand what men and impregnating a woman entails. 3. they already feel superior than him on the basis they are women. this debate is so pointless. they will disagree because women are not the agreeable type. this dude is wasting his time. one thing my mother taught me is don't bother argue with women. they will never listen to men or only listen to the parts that benefit them. save your breath. my mother was right - as a man, i want to keep my peace.
@@sg5720 I agree, listen to your father and talk as little as possible.
@@sg5720 Stop being stupid. The vast majority of women want to keep their right to abortion. You can do whatever you want but leave other women alone and don’t pretend they are on your side
I lost brain cells everytime kristen talked. After 4 hours i lost all conscious experience and its morally and ethically valid to abort me at 30 years old. 😂
literally same down to my age 🥴
Self aborting at 30 years old
I feel ya dawg. I’m older but at this point I think I need to be aborted as well. I didn’t even make it through the whole thing. 😂
Facts
Would it still be valid if you were in a coma and your consciousness was suspended?
Quick recap so you don't waste 4 hours of time you'll never get back.
Destiny: "Human life starts at consciousness."
Pro Life Activists: "No, it starts at conception."
You're welcome.
Yep, well said, and they are religious so they can never concede or change their views, there is no debat here.
@@EsTornino77Religion isn't the only thing, biology, science also holds the position that life starts at conception. It has less to do with what religious texts say, and more with what the definition of the word life is.
When talking about life , by default you have to believe there is a God which goes to religion. Example - Amino acid,
@@jamarharris9465 No.
@@darkfoxxbunyipthey say that life starts at conception not personhood which is what probably should be used to determine what gets moral consideration
No one has a right to use someone's body without permission.
I saw these two give lectures at colleges and debate with students and they seemed so intelligent that I thought this would be a challenging debate for destiny. The only challenge he seemed to have was getting through their insufferable bad faith method of argumentation. I guess anyone can look smart debating kids lol.
Steven crowder is a prime example. He's not exactly smart
Benji as well
That's why they target college students.. its easy to look intelligent when debating a 19 year old.
holy these 2 are creating rad-fem college karens, 2030 is gonna be wild.
They had him on his heels the whole debate. Let’s be honest.
Kristen was so genuinely infuriating to watch. Constantly throwing questions at Destiny and then tossing another one at him before he even got two words out, and wasn't even listening to anything he was saying. She was just waiting for her turn to talk the whole time. Incredibly emotionally driven and when she realized her arguments weren't winning resorted to calling him a misogynist and made snarky comments towards him. It was like watching a 5th grader arguing with the principle. The narcissistic vibes are absolutely off the walls. Had to stop halfway through because I genuinely couldn't stomach how absolutely insufferable she was.
I get the feeling she has never been told no.
@@johnwelch8735 the lunch lady should've said no a few more times to her
Same. It's just so disgusting to watch, how on earth can someone try to reason with people like this, it's just... I have no words.
Gish galloping pro
Seriously though, how many times did he say the cutoff would be 20 weeks before she ACTUALLY realized he said it 🤔
I hate how these woman get mad at him for interrupting and call him misogynistic 😭 like he got 3 words out and they didn’t answer any of his questions
The ppl love to play the victim
There’s interruptions on both sides, it’s pretty obvious.
Yes! And then they KEEP interrupting when he's trying to answer her questions 😭 my brain hurts
There are so many reasons to dislike the woman on the right that doesn’t have anything to do with being a woman.
Wild that she admitted the best arguments are the ones that appeal to your emotions. Her ideal debate would be two people dumping traumatic events on each other until one of the cries so hard they can’t speak.
You mean when she was asked to steelman? Of course she is going to be as emphatic as possible when doing so, yet she outlined a clear openly relatable motivation for her detractors touching upon the highly unfortunate scenario of rape. What more do you want exactly?
Perhaps you can offer an anti abortion steelman at least.
I mean... ☕
@@jakub_paints6775LOL
It’s almost like human beings separate themselves from animals by more than simply performing mental gymnastics to dismiss someone’s personhood.
@@laymansterms1776 We don’t separate ourselves from animals. We are animals. It’s just a category.
Destiny is incredibly patient. I would’ve screamed the 340,516th time she interrupted me.
He also just said an 11 year old child rape victim shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion.
@@bennypit4411 he said after a certain point, which we can disagree with if we want but before that 20-24 mark hes 100% happy to let that child have an abortion.
@@sovandeprins2663and he mentioned mitigating factors, its just that legally, we should start there like we do any criminal act
@@TheNamesFarquaad yes exactly
@bennypit4411 ripping out context points because he said 20-24 weeks when it came to adult women that are capable or carrying a child, a 11 year old would simply die
47:26 “that’s your opinion” “obviously that’s why i’m representing it” LMFAO I love Destiny
Christopher Hitchens had a better version "Of course it's my opinion, who's opinion am I supposed to have? Your's ?"
If you don’t like abortion, don’t abort, but don’t force your opinion on other people.
Alternative title: "Lila and Kristan misunderstand what capacity means for 4 hours"
But it does have capacity😂😂
@@rohanking12able But it absolutely doesn't 😂😂😂😂
Alternative alternative title: 2 cnts earape the audience for 4 hours
@@sickick72 That works too lol
This is something the both side should be clear about.
This embarrassed me so hard. How can someone not be self aware? They both talked over him, interrupted him, and seemed angry... but then attacked him like he was the one doing those things? What the heck????
It's hard to watch these debates as someone who feels second hand embarrassment easily
cuz the truth hurts they met their match and its about time im so sick of them especially big girl
he's running circles squares rectangles and triangles around these delusional grifters
gurl they were wanting to fight from the start🙈
He was
I like how right after Kristin says she’s against socialized healthcare, Lila says she wants child tax credits and for birth to be free. And they smile and nod at each other right through that with no irony detected.
You're asking for logical consistency from women...
There were so many moments where their lack of self-awareness made me want to rip may face off. They're legends in their own minds.
They are geniuses, they're actually portraying the typical 2 brain cells that conservatives have. So deep, would recommend this play to anyone
Hahaha that's hilarious wtf 🤣
Well the distinction is that there's still a market involved in the latter solutions
3 hours for them to concede that your position is consistent is absolutely wild
Lila&Kristan: You're making an argument from emotion.
Also Lila&Kristan: So you're saying the doctor drags the baby out of the womb with a plunger, ties the placenta to a rocket and launches the baby into space? What kind of monster are you?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The doctor grabs the fetus with his bare hands, slams it onto the table, smashes it with a comically large hammer, and eats it.
Does that not happen though? Do they not get ripped out of their mothers wombs when an abortion is performed?!
@@cg12675 My comment said babies so no. Babies do not, in fact, get removed from the womb with an abortion. Even so. The hyperbole was everything after that.
@@cg12675Yes but it's bad faith to describe it that way. It is meant to paint him as a monster by illiciting emotion (from us)...
This 2v1 really wasn't a fair debate.
The pro-life side needed at least 3 people if they're going against Destiny.
I think they need a team of like 50 scholars being paid 6 figures for a result that has even a semblance of a pro-life victory. The position is so shit that a 3rd preson wouldn't help much.
Yeah, it'll allow them to talk over him better. They did a horrible job here allowing him to get a sentence in here and there before interrupting smh maybe 4 would be better
@@TheEverFreeKing i wish i could live with these levels of delusions and have a firm belief that im connected to reality in any way whatsoever. I envy you, I truly do.
@@TheEverFreeKing Funny how people like you can only claim he lost the debate.
You are coping so fucking hard.
@@Kakerate2Don't worry, they're just trolling
2 of the most dishonest people I've ever seen in a debate. The loaded language was nonstop, the lack of charity was astounding, the victim mentality, it shows how weak their position is when the wont even let destiny speak for more than 5 seconds
Your mom won’t even let Destiny speak for 5 seconds
They even admit their best argument is based on emotion
@@TheEverFreeKing you're delusional if that was your takeaway from that debate .
@@TheEverFreeKing Nice trolling, now say psyche.
I would love if you could actually tell me HOW he was destroyed instead of taking the side of two people who wouldn't let him answer a single question?
@@TheEverFreeKing simp
1:19:14 "Can you sit up?"
"No. If you're going to treat me like a child then I'm going to act like a child."
Is Destiny being mature about this? No. But is it funny as fuck? Oh my god yes, it's absolutely hysterical.
If she says “it HAS the capacity for consciousness it just needs time to DEVELOP it” one more time…
I'm actually a genius writer, I just haven't written my magnum opus yet.
What does capacity for consciousness mean?
@@thegrunbeld6876but fetus to human being and human being to writer are in different relations to each other
This is where these women go wrong- she is saying wait for the baby to have consciousness which means have the baby at full term since nothing is wrong with the child. Yet, women should not have to have babies if they do not want to it is forceful. Also women debating men on this subject is ridiculous. These ladies will never get their point across and Destiny will never understand what these women saying because he is a MAN and they are WOMEN. His ego will NOT allow him to hear- and these women will lead to others emotion and automatically go on defence. Pointless. Some subjects should be left for the master of that subject, just sayin. 🤷🏽♀️😌
@@sg5720 huge difference between feelings and logic. These women so far deep in their own feelings its pathetic
This debate made my pro choice position so much ingrained and justified. These women had no convincing arguments and relied on bad faith tactics to try to wrestle control.
of course
because for these people - it is a matter of "their faith."
they want to interfere in other people's lives, and are seeking justification for doing so.
It is that simple.
go actually research abortion then
@@CEWIII9873i’m atheist and reject degeneracy so i reject abortion. no faith involved
@@fungusz_4292pretty unique definition of degeneracy lmfao
@@fungusz_4292Bro really woke up and decided thinking was overrated
The entire 4 hours summed up in a few lines
Destiny: Consciousness is what makes a human "human". A fetus at 20-24 weeks has not yet developed consciousness, therefore it is not yet a person, so we can delete it
Them: But why does consciousness matter?
Rinse and repeat for 4 hours
This could have been an interesting debate if either destiny had a better argument than this, or his opponents tried to press on it a bit more.
Bold of you to assume they understood consciousness and didn't argue against random positions for 4 hours
@@youtubeenjoyer1743ctually for me it's a super valid point and I was prolife (I stated was because after hearing the girls not wanting to accept that without the components aka brain there is no conscious) I am starting to rethink my position
@@RoDaX55 But why does consciousness matter? Whatever consciousness is, abortion is intentional killing of a human in its early stage of life. Even after death, when it loses whatever consciousness is, it's still a human. If it's not a human without consciousness, then what species does it belong to?
Bravo 👏🏽 TYSM 👍🏽
Again, three hours 33 minutes 34 seconds.
They’re just spouting bullshit.
She says that they’re 15% in effective with chemical abortions. Not true.
Chemical abortions, also known as medical abortions, typically involve the use of medication to terminate a pregnancy. The process usually consists of two medications: mifepristone (which blocks the hormone progesterone) and misoprostol (which induces contractions).
1. **Percentage of Chemical Abortions**: In the United States, as of recent data, approximately 50% to 60% of abortions are medical (chemical) abortions. This percentage can vary based on factors such as location, access to healthcare, and changes in abortion laws.
2. **Effectiveness**: Chemical abortions are highly effective when performed within the recommended timeframe. The effectiveness is approximately 95% to 98% when the medications are used within the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. If the process is followed correctly, the vast majority of women will successfully terminate their pregnancies using this method.
It’s important for individuals considering this option to consult healthcare providers for guidance, ensure they are within the appropriate gestational age, and receive proper medical care throughout the process.
The number if times they said Destiny wasn't answering the question, while they refused to answer his questions and he continued to answer theirs was so damn frustrating.
They wouldn’t even let him get a thought out. The mediator sucks.
That's because they want to pontificate
@@illegalseafoodI’ve noticed that moderators completely make or break a debate.
I’m 40 minutes in and I want to rip my hair out. The pro-life side would NOT SHUT UP. Let him speak!
Thats the problem doing a 2v1 when one side is very fervent that they're right.
Dude I had to listen to it in segments. Only way to do it and stay sane
Im at 14 mins and feel the same
There, the people trying to prove destiny wrong, not the other way around. You gotta talk a lot to try and convey your personal perspective on moralty and life.
@johnd1047 they have a theological view of life. So its about emotions.... emotions are conveyed by a feeling. So they gotta yap.
I love how they demand that he answers all their questions, when they refuse to answer any of his 💀
And refuse to let him answer those questions they demand answers to 🤣
19 weeks old in the womb...it is alive but it's not a human being.
20 weeks old in the womb(1 week later).... it is alive and it's now a human being.
I don't really care about abortion but Destiny is making the dumbest argument I've ever heard. He's defending his argument well but it's a dumb as heII argument to make.
@@bennypit4411 its more so from a legal standpoint is what im understanding? Im pro choice but i also personally would feel its kinda "gross" to abort after a certain point unless its medically needed. Bc after a certain stage in the development it is far more human feeling to me personally, but i also domt decide what others do. Destiny did just argue from a legal standpoint when a fetus/baby should have the human right to not be "killed"
@@bennypit4411obviously there is a line somewhere and that line will always be semi-arbitrary
The idea that drawing a line anywhere is dumb is clinically insane. Moon logic
@@bennypit4411
how the hell is that dumb lol? would you destroy a computer that is installing sentience or destroy it after it becomes sentient?
These women are not here to debate, they're here to push an agenda, and they are a great example of the difference.
Kristan contributes absolutely nothing to this conversation. Lila and Destiny had some genuinely interesting exchanges (despite Lila and Kristan frequently interrupting), and Kristan made it her mission to bulldoze as many logical discussions as possible. I feel that she definitely set the tone for interruptions from the two women. I found myself cringing every time she began to speak, because she was unable to form a singular cogent argument or provide one constructive point in a four hour long conversation. Kristan is insufferable. Truly the bottom of the pro-life barrel.
This is largely true. I watched the whole thing. Lila and Destiny, imo, were both legitimately good faith arguers. I will even say that Destiny saying THEY were bad faith was wrong, it was only Kristan who was obnoxious and had cringey bad faith takes. Maybe he didn't want to pick sides or whatever.
Kristan is better at arguing with college students with terrible arguments. Destiny is not that - and Lila was, to my surprise and delight(never heard of her before this, that I recall), willing and able to engage in the heat of battle - and I will even say held her own pretty damn well.
Kristan should not have been there at all, and I hope Destiny takes Lila up on her offer to do her podcast; ideally without Kristan and just 1 on 1.
She's (Kristan) not the bottom of the pro-life barrel. Trust me, there is worse. But she was WAY out of her league here. Destiny's arguments were coherent, consistent and reasonable - and Lila threw it back very well, and correctly attacked the few 'mirky' parts of his argument that even he conceded were not entirely the strongest.
Destiny won by far - and Lila may have tied if Kristan wasn't there. I say this as a pro-life person myself.
Kristan actually "almost" managed to raise some good points when pressing Destiny on which one has much more devastating consequences, but she just would rather load it with bad faith arguments instead.
@@thegrunbeld6876
Yes that's true. The idea of applying Pascal's Wager to the consequences of abortion is actually a strong pro-life argument. His argument of probability is actually fairly weak - given that the consequence of abortions is humans lives(infinite value) vs inconvenience women for ~9 months(finite value).
@@CrimsonWolf69 right? I dont see the reason to be an insufferable jerk, instead of simply arguing like a normal person. I've seen her debates with destiny before and she just didn't even want to understand the other side argument. She came to preach.
@@thegrunbeld6876
Wait, she has other stuff with Destiny? Yikes.... dare I google....
I really liked Lila - I hope she does other stuff with Destiny. She seemed genuinely good faith.
“I prefer to call myself pro abortion, not pro choice”
“Omg thaaaank you for being so honest!!!”
*Oh brother…..here we go!*
me too
people are a cancer on the earth
I know when I am standing in line or sitting in traffic, I am not pondering the "sanctify of life."
@@CEWIII9873for real. A human from an objective standpoint is one of the most insane, complicated, mind-blowing things ever, but from a subjective and societal standpoint, humanity was one of the worst things that has ever come out of this planet. We have felt and given out more and different unique kinds of suffering than could have ever been imagined. There is no reason we should ever create a single more human, much less fight for the existence of humans that would damage the lives of people who are already here even further...
The fact that he was being so sarcastic to them and they kept engaging him seriously. Like it went right over their head.
Now we just have to get the other side to admit they are anti-abortion. Calling themselves “pro-life” is just changing the narrative.
I actually do the same thing. I call them pro-abortion (access) and anti-abortion (access). Makes it as neutral as possible without the loaded language.
Just remember guys:
- Never answer an opponents hypothetical and question its validity
- Answer a question with an unrelated question
- Question the validity of your opponents questions, but give no reason why they are invalid
- Steamroll your opponent so they cant respond to all of your points
- Interrupt them at all times to prevent them from responding to your points
Did I miss anything?
you forgot "make up your own hypothetical that is outside of reality"
Call them misogynistic
- Infantilize them, be condescending & call your opponent at least 2 types of bigot
Wait heres one, gaslight your opponent to make them defend argments they didnt make. She kept trying to make destiny defend bodily autonomy so bad💀💀
Make up statistics on the spot and then when you're opponent doesn't believe you: _"Oh so you don't agree with science?"_
Those ladies need to learn to talk separately, it’s annoying as fuck when they talk over each other.
A fetus has the POTENTIAL to grow to be 21 y/o, so by the two women's LoGiC we should let babies drink alcohol. They have a phobia to logic and reason
Lila holding back laughter at destiny’s jokes is the best part of this debate
At one point I lost hope for them to understand the point of destiny and just focused on Lila and destiny flirting, much more entertaining
Don’t think her husband will like that.
It's kinda there, but only a little
@@arinavasilache139I came here to say this! She totally wanted him.
Feels like destiny won immediately when he pointed out these two women work for an organization that profits from them having these views. Destiny gains nothing for continuing his train of thought
Kristan makes $225k a year for basically doing nothing but regurgitating these talking points once or twice a year
Exactly they're already bias, but they think that being a woman gives them more than enough authority to control other women.
Oh please. Do you think your blue haired "destiny" youtuber does all this stuff from the compassion of his heart? You are either an underpaid professional boot licker, or a very failed chat bot.
@@andrejules9154 Yes, I hate how they try to use the “I’m a woman, I know more about how this feels for us women than you” when statistically a vast majority of women are pro choice. Cringe how they sometimes pretended they “speak for women”
As if Destiny isn't biased. Lol gtfoh
Yeah, this is unlistenable, but yeah- Pro Lifers are unwilling to accept the fact that a human life isn’t a life until it’s begun. Fucking annoying.
Brian really dropped the ball, he needed to get involved more and the constant interruption. Even potentially kicking out one of them because they time and time again, continued to interrupt.
He is pro life and a red piller, ofc he dropped the ball 😣
@@Kyoudontknowme probably not that tbh
@@wtfimcrying huh
@@Kyoudontknowmethat’s the first thing I thought when I realized how much interruption was being allowed by the pro life.
@@nadyazify yeah, on the whatever podcast he is literally insane
General rule of thumb that if you ever find yourself shouting "HOW DARE YOU!" during a debate: you might as well just pack your things up and go home at that point.
the fact they had the gaul to accuse him of being triggered
Likewise, if you enter a debate with blue hair....you probably should have never left home in the first place. Just stay in your mom's basement.
@@gamegod273He was absolutely immensely triggered. To suggest otherwise must mean you had a lobotomy recently. It couldn't be any more obvious that he was incredibly triggered the entire time. Just because he does it in a smug, douchebag manner with lame jokes and sarcasm doesn't mean he's not triggered.
Plus going in with a girl's name? What a loser.
@@travisreifke4356 Hope she reads this, bro.
The fact that several times when Tiny was trolling or being sarcastic they genuinely thought he was making some huge mask off admission was hilarious to me. That and the fact she kept claiming science and saying "Human rights by nature of being a member of the human family". Cringe and insufferable
They probably are just stupid, but if I'm being charitable, it's probably just them being extremely bad faith.
That human rights tautology lasted about 10 minutes without ever establishing what the damn rights are 😂
@@hijklmnopreaper I’m guessing their stated positions are a post-hoc justification because they feel the need to present a rational argument for objections to abortion that are religious in nature. Lila slipped up once & mentioned souls, Kristen the first time she went down the “what if you’re wrong?” path was about to invoke standing in front of God in the afterlife waiting for judgment then quickly changed the topic.
They know they can’t win a largely secular audience with “Abortion is wrong because humans are created in the image of God.”
Though I think they’d be better off just being honest. As it stands they aren’t changing anyone’s mind and they come across kinda disingenuous.
You listen to their argument you very quickly realize they have a two step argument, step one, what they believe is an absolute fact, step two, if you have any evidence that absolutely prove them wrong. See step one.
Felt like Lila was sooo biased that she genuinely couldn't understand what Destiny was trying to say, but I can feel she was trying to have a debate. Kristin was just bad faith, very condescending.
the amount of intelligence I gained listening to Destiny’s arguments was completely offset by the brain damage I suffered while listening to these two women. I’m at a breakeven. I’ve basically gained nothing. 😂
@@TheEverFreeKing you’ve been under like every comment saying weird shit dude. go outside.
@@TheEverFreeKingthat horribly written comment says everything I need to know
😂😂😂😂😂😂same
Likewise, jfc
If $hit was sugar farmers would not plant cane.. if we leave the fetus it will grow into a baby. It’s not a kid. It becomes a child. Only if the mother wants it. The fetus was delivered and got life saving measures so it developed consciousness because it survived and the parties involved wanted the fetus to survive, if the fetus died it would have been a miscarriage.
"Age discrimination" is the weirdest term, when age literally starts at birth
no that’s the only point that we can be sure of a number to assign them one since birth otherwise no one would have a birthday, because it would be impossible to decipher when they got conceived. human life begins at conception which is an irrefutable fact. therefore yes in the human concept of time that we have created it would make the baby their age+ the 6-10 months since they were conceived. although that is not we measure it.
...Yes, we don't.
You're shoving the goal post in very inappropriate places. Pro-life people move it in the complete opposite direction if they want to call someone "child murderer" instead of "zygote or embyro murderer" Loaded language. I get that.
I personally think this wishful new definition of "age" confuses even most christians and you are arguing it with people who don't believe there is anyone to discriminate against to begin with.
I respect your views and appreciate the answer but we have to find a reasonable middle when we use certain terms instead of making the other side look as bad as possible.
@florianschmoldt8659 let me start by clarifying I am agnostic (more atheist) and that yes I use terms such as zygote and embryo, as they are scientific terms to describe stages of development in a baby so I would have no problem saying “human zygote or embryo murderer” because that is a human child merely in the earliest stages of life. The reason I may choose not to in the majority of the time, is because pro choicers use these terms to dehumanise the baby and use those words as a weapon to avoid the FACT that they are young human lives.
I’m not moving anything in the opposite direction, I’m stating that in our society we have created that is how we measure age, (like many other human concepts that work to sustain a working organised society**, like the concept of TIME which is a human made construct which is what age is based on bc what does age mean without the concept of time. **bc let me repeat no one would ever have a “birthday” or perhaps “lifeday”, as in the moment their life began, not when they are born, exiting the birth canal)
BUT For example in Korea they have a different system of measuring age as they start the ‘number of age’ beginning at conception, but since they have no clear day of when the baby was conceived they assign the new born baby as 1 years old when they come out, and that’s how it works for them which is only one example of this system being used.
If it’s not age discrimination what is it? When do u think human life begins? Because if ur answer is any other answer than conception u are simply wrong there’s nothing else I can add to that, and the right to life is a human right , however for some reason in 67 countries we decide that the unborn just doesn’t count and we legalise the murder of them.
@maya_gabriella If someone asks when MY life began...honest answer: The day I was born.
If you are sticking to "human life"...the collection of cells you are refering to are less complex than plants who could be labeled "alive" and definitely less complex than the animal you had on your sandwich.
The only difference is your projection what that organism will become.
Good on you being an atheist but it only makes sense if especially human cells are sacred by default and I can't see any good reason for that claim.
Even if we casually say "I'm having a baby", there is a reason science seperates cells, zygotes, embryos from babies.
Not to dehumanise but I don't like it if someone shoves a picture of a 8 month old baby in my face to emotionalize the discussion either.
I'm german. We have 12weeks and if someone want's to argue it reaches into a questionable time frame, fair enough.
I personally don't see much of a human to dehumanise up to 6 weeks.
Back to the "age discrimination"...Even if I entertain the phrasing...what does it even mean?
American humans have the right to own guns, cars, pron, alcohol. We restrict the access based on good reason and science. Or is it just age discrimination? There is a line that needs to drawn.
There is nothing wrong with age "discrimination." We deny rights to minors all the time. Children can't vote or drive in most cases. Because they lack maturity. Fetuses don't get the right to life because they lack a consciousness and autonomy.
29:42 Woman learns hypothetical 2023 (Colorized)
Destiny: If you replace the brain, is it the same person? Prolifer: Yes.
How do you continue the debate at this point? How does this person even survive on earth?
They think that a person's soul is where their consciousness and mind are from because they are Christian fundamentalists. They don't believe the brain has as much to do with who someone is as it does because of the religious dogma they are indoctrinated with.
To be fair this is a pointless question for the topic of abortion.
@@youtubeenjoyer1743 that specific question had nothing to do with abortion directly, it was to prove what part of the 'body' we ascribe to be 'human', the whole body or the brain, which would then lend credence to destiny's initial point about when the brain starts actually functioning after 20 weeks in the pregnancy, before that 20 week mark the brain doesn't function, ergo it isn't human, ergo it doesn't have human rights. and 'can' be aborted without consideration of whether or not you're 'killing' a human life.
I hope they all vegan, pigs have brains heartbeats and all that. By the look of the big woman that would be a no 😂
@@dredge4176 So it's not just the question, it's the whole argument that is retarded. I guess before a zygote has a functioning brain, it's not really a human, but a squirrel.
1:03:30 Kristen: "I'm going to start talking to you like I talk to my four boys."
Let's all just take a moment of silence for those boys and their upcoming inexplicable life-long hatred of women...
i hope they become tate fans and treat her accordingly
@@hnslager lmfao
dude destiny is actually extremely smart. his ability to come up with snappy persuasive analogies in the spot really gets the point across.
Agree
the women came out of the self assembling tesla analogy thinking that he wouldn't kill the car, i think he would if the mother wanted it and he either was railroaded (even with such a conveniently for him positioned argument) or he was answering the question they asked which was "if i didn't want my tesla killed would you kill my tesla" which has an obvious negative answer. it could be that destiny thinks the baby's connectedness to the mother somehow matters but i don't think that was the argument he was making, they do be so angwy thoou
His pronouns are sassy/charming