Thank you for the history lesson on the Snake Wars and the firearm's from 150 years ago. Yes Mark, I did learn today and I was wondering how the current status of the Oregon firearms law on magazine capacity turned out?
1873 is my favorite year for firearms and cartridges! Such an epic year! The war dept was looking for a replacement for the 50-70 Springfield. They refused the 14 shot 73 Winchester in the new 44-40, and the 34 shot Evans in 44 Evans. They adopted the magnificent 45-70 cartridge. The Colt Peacemaker made its debut as well. The 45 Colt cartridge was introduced as well. What an amazing year!
That's some hat Matt! 😜 All my rifles are reproductions, but I can still relate to your video today since I have a Burgess and a Lightning in 44-40 and a few 1873s in 44-40, 45 Colt and 357 mag. Love em all. Thanks for the history lesson too!
Neat info. Thanks for the history. My friend sold one of those Trapdoor Springfields not long ago. It was an estate gun that the person who received it did not want. We took it to a gun show and before we could even pay to get in a young fellow who collected these older guns asked to look at it. He bought it for 1K to add to his collection. My understanding is that the Texas Rangers were formed in part due to the Colt Single Action. They could not compete with the Comanche horseman archers until they had the capability to shoot six rounds from the Colt. I'm sure someone can correct me or explain it better than I can.
I always love your videos whether they're shooting or you're working on one they're all good. It look like that 4440 didn't kick too bad. Thank you for the video and keep ye powder dry!
Excellent video on most favorite year for guns I love. 150yrs. I'll put an order in for the Winchester 73 and a first issue Colt 44-40. Have you looked around the ranch for brass from an Indian scurmish? Real empties used in a battle would be a great addition. Thanks Mark.
Winchester made a small number of firearms in 1866, 67, and 68 that we never hear anything about. An iron frame rifle musket in .45 centerfire, an iron frame rifle in .41 Swiss in 1866, an iron frame carbine in 44 rimfire in 1867, an iron frame rifle musket in .45, .455, and .47 center fire, and an iron frame carbine in .44 center fire in 1868. Do you have any insight into any of these firearms? This is from the Standard Catalog Of Firearms.
@@thecinnabar8442 From what I have read, they had difficulties getting them to eject with that smaller rim. It seems the reproductions eject them fine, so not sure why they would have had problems back then. The old balloon cases perhaps?
@@12port77 The reports I have always heard was the not only is the rim so narrow on the 45Colt but the material the cases were made of , copper, would be torn apart by the extractor of a rifle. Copper cases expand more readily than brass cases and do not spring back as much as brass. Thus they can get stuck in the chamber. Copper cases getting stuck in the chamber also applies to the 1873 Springfield rifles and carbines.
I always enjoy your videos especially the old firearms that are just full of history also the area you live in and all the history involved in that pretty interesting. I live just east of you very close to the Oregon Trail there is a massacre site not far from my home that has a historical sign and a grave not too far away the history of the West has always fascinated me.
Excellent firearms, my ‘73 Winchester and trapdoor are in much rougher shape than yours but are still fun to shoot and occasionally take to camp with. Still trying to get my hands on a SAA. Wouldn’t mind having a colt burgess too if I had some more pocket change 😂
Mr Cinnabar, I have been enjoying your videos as I have a small collection of Marlin lever actions including an '92 and '97 both in 22 caliber. Both are having problems with the original magazines. Have you ever worked on them? I'd love to see how you got them going again. Thank you for the videos, Bob
Sweet video. Those are some fine old '73's on that table. If you sell all those in Vegas, looking forward to seeing what new (old) stuff you bring home.
Another excellent and very informative video! Being a Winchester fan myself I really enjoy your channel. I just recently came across your video on the model 64’s. I have been trying to find out more about them including the Miroku made versions but there just doesn’t seem to be a lot of information that I can find on them.
Thanks for another great video! I took my Whitney Kennedy 40-60wcf to the range recently and fired it for the first time. That one has been a couple years on again/off again project, and sure was fun to finally shoot it!
Before my uncle passed away, he offered to sell me his 1873 Winchester rifle, 2nd model made in the 1880's, I took him up on it and have had the rifle ever since. I own several Winchester lever rifles, and some copies of the 92, thanks for the content, I absolutely love shooting these old guns. My 73 hasnt been touched, but the barrel is basically a sewer pipe with lands and grooves, I shoot ahand loaded round with 255 gr lead bullet the only way i can get decent groups with the rifle is by topping the powder with a few grains of shot buffer, an old dear friend had given me the recipe, low pressure powder 4227, and a few grains of the shot buffer tightens up the old rifles groups substantially ..but i dont shoot it much, excellent videos by the way!
Always enjoy your videos on the old Winchesters. Are you familiar with the series of books called "WINCHESTER FOR OVER A CENTURY" by BILL WEST? Any positive - negative thoughts on these books? thanks
I did an episode a while back on another Colt Burgess. I'm a big fan of the Andrew Burgess designed lever guns. I don't recall if those 50-70's are copper or brass. They're usually pretty corroded after laying around for 150+ years. I may have an old loaded cartridge or two to check.
Those are some of my favorite kinds of firearms I don’t think that there’s a funner rifle to shoot than the 73 Winchester and the 45 colt is my favorite revolver and cartridge
If I recall correctly the .45-70 was pretty much a dead letter by 1950. No new rifles had been made for that cartridge since the last Winchester Model 1886s were made. The revival came in the early 1970s when Marlin introduced it's modern incarnation of the Model 1895, soon followed by the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 and also the H&R reproduction of the Springfield 1873 along with its top break Shikari rifle.
Was looking at the photo of the Dalton Gang posed post mortem after the Coffeeville robbery. The rifle that is shown in the old photo has an extremely short forearm. Have you ever noticed this?
Good day sir, In my quest to build an 1873 coupled with my OCD, I've acquired 14 receivers of varies models (1st, 2nd & 3rd). I almost have enough parts to start assembling one :-). It will be a 3rd Model as I believe my head is screwed on straight enough to tackle it. However looking ahead at some of the others (2nd & 3rd Models) I find myself scratching my head after comparing all the receivers. I've had zero success at locating schematics for those two models. I could try and wing it with what I know about the 3rd Model. Some of the receivers have no plug holes on the upper tang, one 2nd Models lower tang is integrated in the receiver, whereas my other 2nd Models the lower tang is removable just like my 1st and 3rd Models. Any direction so I don't go forward with those all half cocked would be greatly appreciated. In the next few weeks, perhaps months I should be able to rock and roll and breath a little life back into these wonderful pieces of American history. I thank yo in advance for your help and direction. God bless, Ken
The best resource for those questions is, "The Winchester 1873 Handbook" by George Stone. They're hard to find and usually expensive. Not all the changes in the 1873's coincide with the breaks between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd models.
Seems like I've heard this somewhere before, Mark. I wish I had time for load development for long range shooting, but those days are long gone. I rarely get the chance to reload for simple test firing these days. Between the overwhelming demand for gunsmithing, trying to keep producing these videos and ranching - there aren't nearly enough hours in the day. Grabbing some "off the shelf" ammo to go do a little shooting is about as good as it's gets.
@@thecinnabar8442 Well it fits his persona for sure! I really enjoy your gunsmithing techniques and I particularly enjoyed watching you shoot that 50-140😁 I fell in love with sharps rifles a few years ago and love to shoot black powder. There’s nothing like hitting a 10”x10” plate at 200 yards with a paper cartridge in a 59 carbine or sending a 535 gr slug out of a 45-70 and hammering a plate at 400 yards. I’d love to see you shoot that 59 infantry you have. Keep up the great work!
What a year for guns!!
Yesterday I picked up my new Uberti 1873 Short Rifle in .45 Colt, a beautiful thing with an 18.5 inch half octagonal/half round barrel.
Congrats! Have a blast with your '73!
Good show with these marvelous firearms! Perry Pappous
Always great seeing you shoot these old firearms. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Mark! I love seeing those old gals!!!
Thank you for the history lesson on the Snake Wars and the firearm's from 150 years ago. Yes Mark, I did learn today and I was wondering how the current status of the Oregon firearms law on magazine capacity turned out?
Measure 114 is on hold, waiting on another court date. I believe that happens towards the end of Jan. ??
There's just something about the style of Old West guns that is absolutely addictive. I really love them.
I have had interest in the colt lightning not sure I ever will. A great day on the ranch. This ol mountain man misses the west
1873 was *THE* year for dramatic advancement in firearms technology! Thanks for the video!
Great video and beautiful country. God bless
1873 is my favorite year for firearms and cartridges! Such an epic year! The war dept was looking for a replacement for the 50-70 Springfield. They refused the 14 shot 73 Winchester in the new 44-40, and the 34 shot Evans in 44 Evans. They adopted the magnificent 45-70 cartridge. The Colt Peacemaker made its debut as well. The 45 Colt cartridge was introduced as well. What an amazing year!
Just think how effective the cavalry would have been with 73 Winchesters.
Two of the greatest firearms and greatest pair of firearms in history
As much as I love those guns,.. My eyes just keep going to the scenery behind you!… You live in an absolutely beautiful place….
Loved the history lesson . Beautiful firearms !
A fun day on the range! Thanks for the share!!
Happy Birthday Ladies, glad you're still around.
Oh so sweet ! Thank you for presenting to us a celebration of an iconic year in US firearm history DJ
You're very welcome
Nice to here you are going to the las vegas antique arms show. I will be there myself its such a fun and good show
Its always a pleasure to watch. Thank you.
That's some hat Matt! 😜 All my rifles are reproductions, but I can still relate to your video today since I have a Burgess and a Lightning in 44-40 and a few 1873s in 44-40, 45 Colt and 357 mag. Love em all. Thanks for the history lesson too!
Great video to go with Brenn Hill's song "Lever actions forever"
I had fun watching you have fun with them old shooters!
It's so obvious that you're having a blast and love what you're doing. It's infectious! Thanks for sharing.
enjoyed the video. Beautiful country around your ranch.
I love how you tell about all the history on these beautiful guns
Neat info. Thanks for the history. My friend sold one of those Trapdoor Springfields not long ago. It was an estate gun that the person who received it did not want. We took it to a gun show and before we could even pay to get in a young fellow who collected these older guns asked to look at it. He bought it for 1K to add to his collection. My understanding is that the Texas Rangers were formed in part due to the Colt Single Action. They could not compete with the Comanche horseman archers until they had the capability to shoot six rounds from the Colt. I'm sure someone can correct me or explain it better than I can.
I love those guns, I plan on getting a modern smith chambered in .45 colt (model 25) for my first pistol. Thanks for the video.
Sure is a group of firearms worth celebrating Mark. Thanks for taking us along.
Great info. Love all your videos, look forward to them.
Great video as usual. I’m lucky to own two 1873 Winchester’s in 44wcf and a Springfield Trapdoor. Now to find a Gen 1 Colt in 44wcf.
Boy I wish I could get out and visit love every episode you put out
Thanks Mark Love All Those Guns Especially The Colt Lightning and Burgess 😀😊😊😊❤️👍🏼
Thanks Chris! They're dandies.
I really enjoy your channel lots of great info and guns
1873 was a BIIIIIG year......45 Colt adopted, .44 WCF, Colt Model "P", 1873 Winchester. Whoa. What a year. Haven't had many like that since.
I always love your videos whether they're shooting or you're working on one they're all good. It look like that 4440 didn't kick too bad. Thank you for the video and keep ye powder dry!
Interesting video of those old guns.
I also just got to say that is one big hat.😁
Excellent video on most favorite year for guns I love. 150yrs. I'll put an order in for the Winchester 73 and a first issue Colt 44-40. Have you looked around the ranch for brass from an Indian scurmish? Real empties used in a battle would be a great addition. Thanks Mark.
It definitely was a fantastic year. I hope there will be many more tributes to '73.
THANK YOU SIR FOR GREAT RIDE
Winchester made a small number of firearms in 1866, 67, and 68 that we never hear anything about. An iron frame rifle musket in .45 centerfire, an iron frame rifle in .41 Swiss in 1866, an iron frame carbine in 44 rimfire in 1867, an iron frame rifle musket in .45, .455, and .47 center fire, and an iron frame carbine in .44 center fire in 1868. Do you have any insight into any of these firearms? This is from the Standard Catalog Of Firearms.
Thanks for the info on the 45 Colt I did think it was made for rifles and then hand guns
It's a common misconception. I'm not sure why Colt didn't use them in their own rifles.
@@thecinnabar8442 From what I have read, they had difficulties getting them to eject with that smaller rim. It seems the reproductions eject them fine, so not sure why they would have had problems back then. The old balloon cases perhaps?
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The reports I have always heard was the not only is the rim so narrow on the 45Colt but the material the cases were made of , copper, would be torn apart by the extractor of a rifle. Copper cases expand more readily than brass cases and do not spring back as much as brass. Thus they can get stuck in the chamber. Copper cases getting stuck in the chamber also applies to the 1873 Springfield rifles and carbines.
Good job bud. Definitely learned something. The spot your filming in sure looks familiar. By the way, love the hat!
I always enjoy your videos especially the old firearms that are just full of history also the area you live in and all the history involved in that pretty interesting. I live just east of you very close to the Oregon Trail there is a massacre site not far from my home that has a historical sign and a grave not too far away the history of the West has always fascinated me.
Thank you!
Nice bunch of old rifles! Thanks for the history lesson, especially love the Snakes Wars discussion, something you don't hear about.
You're very welcome! I enjoy researching our local history.
Excellent firearms, my ‘73 Winchester and trapdoor are in much rougher shape than yours but are still fun to shoot and occasionally take to camp with. Still trying to get my hands on a SAA. Wouldn’t mind having a colt burgess too if I had some more pocket change 😂
Mr Cinnabar, I have been enjoying your videos as I have a small collection of Marlin lever actions including an '92 and '97 both in 22 caliber. Both are having problems with the original magazines. Have you ever worked on them? I'd love to see how you got them going again. Thank you for the videos, Bob
That is a wonderful collection of fine firearms , and your ranch is beyond words ! Always looking forward to new videos. Thanks
We can probably all agree that you would make a fantastic neighbor 🤠
Sweet video. Those are some fine old '73's on that table. If you sell all those in Vegas, looking forward to seeing what new (old) stuff you bring home.
Me too! :)
Another excellent and very informative video! Being a Winchester fan myself I really enjoy your channel. I just recently came across your video on the model 64’s. I have been trying to find out more about them including the Miroku made versions but there just doesn’t seem to be a lot of information that I can find on them.
Great video Mark!, I like the historical context that you include when you show us these great firearms. Great work!
Thanks for another great video! I took my Whitney Kennedy 40-60wcf to the range recently and fired it for the first time. That one has been a couple years on again/off again project, and sure was fun to finally shoot it!
Before my uncle passed away, he offered to sell me his 1873 Winchester rifle, 2nd model made in the 1880's, I took him up on it and have had the rifle ever since. I own several Winchester lever rifles, and some copies of the 92, thanks for the content, I absolutely love shooting these old guns. My 73 hasnt been touched, but the barrel is basically a sewer pipe with lands and grooves, I shoot ahand loaded round with 255 gr lead bullet the only way i can get decent groups with the rifle is by topping the powder with a few grains of shot buffer, an old dear friend had given me the recipe, low pressure powder 4227, and a few grains of the shot buffer tightens up the old rifles groups substantially ..but i dont shoot it much, excellent videos by the way!
Where there's a will, there's a way! It's great that you've put the work into making it shoot again. Cudos!
Eres un capo, con tus lever guns de colección!
very neat inter period weapon!
Excellent video, love the history!
Good stuff and
Your videos are always interesting and fun. Thanks, Mark!
Cool beans 😎
What a way to start the year!🇺🇸💪👍
Always enjoy Cinnabar videos.
Another great video from Gods country.
Always enjoy your videos on the old Winchesters. Are you familiar with the series of books called "WINCHESTER FOR OVER A CENTURY" by BILL WEST? Any positive - negative thoughts on these books? thanks
That is a very nice Burgess rifle you have there, very rarely seen on youtube, are the cartridges cases you find copper or brass? Chris B.
I did an episode a while back on another Colt Burgess. I'm a big fan of the Andrew Burgess designed lever guns. I don't recall if those 50-70's are copper or brass. They're usually pretty corroded after laying around for 150+ years. I may have an old loaded cartridge or two to check.
@@thecinnabar8442 Yes I watched that one Mark, they are, I think, the only videoes on the Burgess I have seen. Chris B.
I have a Winchester 1873 that Pat Garrett gave to his brother Alfred.
Wow! Fantastic piece of history!
Those are some of my favorite kinds of firearms I don’t think that there’s a funner rifle to shoot than the 73 Winchester and the 45 colt is my favorite revolver and cartridge
If I recall correctly the .45-70 was pretty much a dead letter by 1950. No new rifles had been made for that cartridge since the last Winchester Model 1886s were made. The revival came in the early 1970s when Marlin introduced it's modern incarnation of the Model 1895, soon followed by the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 and also the H&R reproduction of the Springfield 1873 along with its top break Shikari rifle.
New hat? I like it.
I have a very nice original 50-70 Trapdoor marked U.S., I often wonder what kind of Indian wars it might have gone thru?
Was looking at the photo of the Dalton Gang posed post mortem after the Coffeeville robbery. The rifle that is shown in the old photo has an extremely short forearm. Have you ever noticed this?
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Good day sir, In my quest to build an 1873 coupled with my OCD, I've acquired 14 receivers of varies models (1st, 2nd & 3rd). I almost have enough parts to start assembling one :-). It will be a 3rd Model as I believe my head is screwed on straight enough to tackle it. However looking ahead at some of the others (2nd & 3rd Models) I find myself scratching my head after comparing all the receivers. I've had zero success at locating schematics for those two models. I could try and wing it with what I know about the 3rd Model. Some of the receivers have no plug holes on the upper tang, one 2nd Models lower tang is integrated in the receiver, whereas my other 2nd Models the lower tang is removable just like my 1st and 3rd Models. Any direction so I don't go forward with those all half cocked would be greatly appreciated. In the next few weeks, perhaps months I should be able to rock and roll and breath a little life back into these wonderful pieces of American history. I thank yo in advance for your help and direction. God bless, Ken
The best resource for those questions is, "The Winchester 1873 Handbook" by George Stone. They're hard to find and usually expensive. Not all the changes in the 1873's coincide with the breaks between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd models.
I have 38-40 made in 1910, 95 percent blue.
50-70 cartridge cases from the 1860's?
I have 2 of 3...probably never get that Colt.... $$$$$$$$
I'd be interested to know what your load recipe's are.
I will own a Trapdoor one day!
They're great fun to shoot. I'm almost having second thoughts about selling that one after shooting it.
@@thecinnabar8442 I bet!
You have lots of room to shoot. Ever consider trying some longer ranges? A steel target set up way out there is tons of fun.
Seems like I've heard this somewhere before, Mark. I wish I had time for load development for long range shooting, but those days are long gone. I rarely get the chance to reload for simple test firing these days. Between the overwhelming demand for gunsmithing, trying to keep producing these videos and ranching - there aren't nearly enough hours in the day. Grabbing some "off the shelf" ammo to go do a little shooting is about as good as it's gets.
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Seems like a sin to me to be shooting smokeless in those old guns.😃
Is your SAA a mixed serial number model?
Yes it is.
Hope those assault weapons find a safe home. Wouldn't want Oregon state too destroy history.
Did you lose your black powder?
Nope. Used black powder in the trapdoor.
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We Texans wear 10 gallon hats. Looks like y’all eastern Oregon’ers wear 15 gallon hats😂
Haha! That's the hat I wear when I'm trying to replicate the shooting of my childhood hero, Elmer Kieth.
@@thecinnabar8442 Well it fits his persona for sure! I really enjoy your gunsmithing techniques and I particularly enjoyed watching you shoot that 50-140😁 I fell in love with sharps rifles a few years ago and love to shoot black powder. There’s nothing like hitting a 10”x10” plate at 200 yards with a paper cartridge in a 59 carbine or sending a 535 gr slug out of a 45-70 and hammering a plate at 400 yards. I’d love to see you shoot that 59 infantry you have. Keep up the great work!
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can you publishing your email for we ...?!?
thankyou in advance
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All of our contact information is on our website. www.cinnabargunworks.com
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