Not much left for discussion. Thank you for the vid. I put a deposit down last week on a 2019 Voodoo Blue T4R. Looking forward taking it out with my son.
Hi guy love the vids!!! You keep making them and we will keep watching. 🙌🤙👍. What is the size life you have with your stage 5? I put a front locker on mine and holy shit. Only straight up and down stops the 4runner now...lolol. I’m really contemplating on slap in the same tires on my runner because my God bro that’s so sexy!
Using the 3 inch Icon springs in the back - normally Icon supplies a 2 inch lift spring (3 inch is an option). The front coil overs are adjustable (up or down). The further the vehicle is lifted , the stiffer the ride. There is about 1/2" more I could crank up the front coilovers then run out of threads. The lift is somewhere around 3 inches.
Amazing difference... I can’t believe you squeezed 35”s with only 3 inches. The last thing that rig needs is either a torsen front or a straight up locker... unstoppable.👍🏼
@@MrNismopro Sadly no. I installed 4.56 gears when I went to 35 inch tires. Wasn't planning to go to 37s at the time. You are correct, 4.88 or 5.29 would be better for the 37s.
Could you guys tell me exactly what regearing gets you? I bought my 2014 GX460 already on 35s, but not regeared. Is it something that it's really important that I do?
UA-cam Comments I highly disagree. Centers and rear are great, especially with A-trac, but front and rear lockers are a must. Triple lock on 37s is best all around. No 33” tire is gonna perform better than anything better unless it’s triple locked and the vehicle it’s competing against has only 1 locker. The 33” won’t provide the clearance or the extra tread to outperform a larger tire. Also it’s not a luxury, many people have put them on a cheap, base model vehicle. It’s a modification if it doesn’t come equipped with it. But yes, a 33” tire is extremely capable. Especially with a rear and center locker.
You need the front locker when one of the front is off the ground, you can use the traction control to get power to the other tire. Assuming you’re rear locker is locked. Unless you are doing some crazy stuff. But let’s be truthful, most people are doing moderate trails at most ... Then it’s really time to get a Jeep.
Ran the rear locker and the Atrac with 33s and 35s. I have never tried the crawl control. Saw a friend with a TRD Pro used his crawl control on a muddy hill and it was a failure - he turned his rear locker on and zipped up the hill no problem
Really you had the lockers and a-track while running the 33" better have that serviced as it looked like you were jeep traping every time withe the 285's.
I’m about to do the body relocation and gusset my spindles. My question is what gears did you switch to and do you have a supercharger? How’s the power?
I ran 4.56 gears with 35 inch tires and the performance was similar to stock performance (31 inch tires with 3.73 gears). I am now running 37 inch tires, should have gone to 4.88 or 5.29 gears. lots of folks are running 4.88 gears with 35 inch tires - my recommendation for 35 inch tires is 4.88 gears. I do not have a supercharger and the runner now weighs around 6000 lbs - it is slow
Great vid - appreciate it. I have a built 4th Gen but running 33's. Just went to the Los Angeles Auto Show this weekend to check out the 2019s. Do you rub at all on 35's with the new bumpers? Do you have a body lift? Thx
They do not rub, the keys are to move the front wheels forward (maximum caster) and aggressive body mount chop. I do not have a body lift. Before I installed the front bumper, had to trim some of the the front fender since the tires were moved forward in the wheel wells
@@markmiguel3350 Lots of trimming of the plastic liners. To get to 35" tires, need to do an aggressive body mount chop and maximize the caster (move the front wheels forward). My truck builder claimed we need to go to the Icon system to maximize the caster. I can get rubbing while backing up and turning on a steep hill. Have a plan to fix the rubbing, going to Icon 14" 700# coil over springs which will allow raising the front end another 1.5 inches! Should have gotten the Icon 14 inch spring coil overs from the start. Hope this helps
Great video thank you. If I have my stock 4Runner non-aggressive “all-weather” wheels and I change to KO2’s of the exact same size. Will my mpg change bc of the tread or stay the same bc the size of both tires is the same ? Thank you!
Probably lose a little due to the increased tire weight - suspect the KOs are heavier by 5-10 lbs than your previous tires? Increasing the weight of your wheel or tires does impact gas mileage
May want to regear the transmission. It'll definitely get worse mileage than it already does with those bigger tires. My buddy regeared his after putting on 35s lot of work and money. Could have bought a razor for all the upgrades he did to his 4 runner. new larger tires wheels, new upgraded suspension, rock sliders bumpers transmission regeared, light bars swing out custom hitch , roof rack Was just over 20 grand
Shrockworks sliders. I work in Houston, Shrockworks is in Houston so no shipping cost (have to pay taxes however). Also have Shrockworks front and rear bumpers.
Great comparison video. Which one you like more. I getting my truck lifted but cant decide what size of the tire will work for me. How much MPG changes with 35's vs 33's. Thanks in advance.
With the 35" tires and all the armor weight, getting 14 mpg. With the 33" tires and some of the armor, got 15 mpg. Going to 35 inch tires requires a significant amount of fender modifications, body mount chop.
Bigger tires mean bigger rocks the 4runner can climb over. My build is a rock crawling build, not an overland build so big tires are important for improving performance.
@@thehayman7352 Had to relocate the window washer fluid reservoir, cut the firewall and move it back, relocate the body mounts using the Alpine Designs body mounts (for Tacoma). There is no plastic left inside the front wheel wells.
I gotta ask, why didn't you use your MTS or even A-TRAC? You may have used your rear locker once there but not on the rest of the attempts. You'd have done just fine on 33's using only MTS on rock setting.
Sold it, though about doing the SSO high clearance but Shrockworks promised a front bumper in 2 weeks! Shrockworks is in Houston and I work in Houston so no shipping. Decided to go with the Shrockworks front bumper.
@@svennorman9138 how were you able to fit 35's. I have an ome spring with bilstein shock setup. 285/70/17 general grabber at2. Have and rpm fab roof rack coming in the next week or so. 5 procomp vertigo wheels.
@@trail.runner1422 Push the caster to +4 during a front end alignment, aggressive body mount chop. My wheels are 17X8.5 with a -6mm of offset so I didn't need wheel spacers. Need to trim the plastic inside the fender wells, I ended up removing all plastic back to the firewall. Also had to trim the plastic front bumper, then replaced with the Shrockworks front bumper
Lots of folks are running 35s on generation 5 4runners now. Some folks went the long travel route which extends the axles and moves the wheel wider. My approach was to do an aggressive body mount chop using the RSG semi circle plates, push the caster to +4 during the alignment and trim the inside of the fenders. I have a video on this topic.
Yes, the locker was on in all the attempts. Tried to choose the same line for equal comparison. Yes, was cheering in the background on the wet & wild trail - whole bunch of jeeps didn't think the 4Runner was going to make it. They were ribbing me a little, all in fun. They told me to "turn on the light bar". The jeeps also discussed how many jeeps would be required to winch me off the rock. Surprised everyone (how fast the 4Runner with 35s climbed the rock) including my camera man, he paused to change positions and missed a little footage.
Also check out the "blood on the rocks" video - video shows the 3 attempts trying to get over the wet and wild rock - all failed. Wrapped the tailpipe around the rear axle - decided 35" tires would be a good idea
Omg the abused these 4runner going through is beyond belief. These 4runner was meant to be a family suv over landers not a rock crawler. I just bought a used one I hope its not one of them.
Sven, I'm not hating, but what's the point? Comparing 35's to 33's for rock crawling is like saying a V8 has more power than a V6. No duh! Even more so...a 5th Gen 4Runner's strength isn't rock crawling (IFS, no center locker, stock approach angle, etc.). Of course the Jeeps are going to tease you about what Jeeps do well! Do a video comparing their quality, reliability, ride comfort, etc. to a 4Runner and it's a completely different story because that's the 4Runner's strength. So what's the point? Bigger tires crawl over rocks better? Maybe you should've bought a Rubicon with 37's...
All true what you say. I have ridden with the dark side (jeeps). The jeeps with 35s and 37s do well on the rocks. The 4runner 5th gen is not designed to rock crawl. - more of an overland vehicle. The point of the video is to assist 4runner owners to understand the potential of 35" tires. Putting 35" tires on a 5th gen is not easy; requires substantial investment plus lots of trimming. If you are a 5th gen owner, is it worth the funds and effort to get to 35" tires or buy a jeep? Have you seen the jeep army videos? Pretty awesome. The reason I didn't buy a jeep is reliability - too bad Chrysler has a bad reliability reputation (maybe today not as true as the 1980-90s)
Butttttt 4Runners do have a center diff locker. Also on the second feature was your ATRAC not on the first couple attempts? Would have minimized that wheel spin.
No offense but your locker isn't on It's an a arm setup Not the best for what you are doing It's also a wagon Aka drag n wagon 5th gen are great for camping offroading Otherwise look into All pro toyota truck [one of the best 4x4s] Longer a arms with tundra shafts Or put a straight axel under it Great looking rig
These videos were taken before I installed a front locker, rear locker definitely on. The Jeep is a better choice for rock crawling than 4Runner for the reasons you mentioned. I have off loaded with a few Tundras, they didn't do well plus they struggle on the narrow trails (long vehicle can't make the turns)
@@svennorman9138 He's saying you need to get extended travel control arms and tundra half shafts for better articulation upfront, 4runner IFS is less than ideal, 35s make up for it until you come to larger obstacle.
really great video. what a difference
Amazing what a difference just a little bit more tire makes. I like the new front bumper too.
It’s not only a little bit more tire but chopping and regearing
He just needed more know how on ATRAC mode and the crawl computer can do the rest
Not much left for discussion. Thank you for the vid. I put a deposit down last week on a 2019 Voodoo Blue T4R. Looking forward taking it out with my son.
The voodoo blue is the new TRD pro color correct? Enjoy!
Yes Sir. Thank you.
Patience pays off...
Hi guy love the vids!!! You keep making them and we will keep watching. 🙌🤙👍. What is the size life you have with your stage 5? I put a front locker on mine and holy shit. Only straight up and down stops the 4runner now...lolol. I’m really contemplating on slap in the same tires on my runner because my God bro that’s so sexy!
Using the 3 inch Icon springs in the back - normally Icon supplies a 2 inch lift spring (3 inch is an option). The front coil overs are adjustable (up or down). The further the vehicle is lifted , the stiffer the ride. There is about 1/2" more I could crank up the front coilovers then run out of threads. The lift is somewhere around 3 inches.
Amazing difference... I can’t believe you squeezed 35”s with only 3 inches. The last thing that rig needs is either a torsen front or a straight up locker... unstoppable.👍🏼
Installed a front ARB air locker January 2019 then 37 inch tires February 2019 - more fun now
Sven Norman , have you re-geared it? It’s a 3.90 from factory. To run a 37 you must be at 5.29.
@@MrNismopro Sadly no. I installed 4.56 gears when I went to 35 inch tires. Wasn't planning to go to 37s at the time. You are correct, 4.88 or 5.29 would be better for the 37s.
Could you guys tell me exactly what regearing gets you? I bought my 2014 GX460 already on 35s, but not regeared. Is it something that it's really important that I do?
That's where I'm at now. That's my question as well
is this Hidden Adventure Falls near Marble Falls? Been there w/ lifted 5th gen 4runner before as well.
Yes - same park you visited - very fun
Where did you get the new front bumper. Looks great.
Shrockworks
What is that black bumper cover you used below the headlights for the bull bar bumper and which aftermarket bumper do you have? Thanks
The first bumper was the SSO slimline bumper. The second bumper is the Shrockworks bumper. The headlight covers come with the Shrockworks bumper
I love my 4runner but you see there are still times when front lockers would be a good thing
Agree, installed an ARB front locker in December - nice add
It is but I think it’s a luxury to have front lockers. Center and rear lockers on 33” is best all around imo
UA-cam Comments I highly disagree. Centers and rear are great, especially with A-trac, but front and rear lockers are a must. Triple lock on 37s is best all around. No 33” tire is gonna perform better than anything better unless it’s triple locked and the vehicle it’s competing against has only 1 locker. The 33” won’t provide the clearance or the extra tread to outperform a larger tire. Also it’s not a luxury, many people have put them on a cheap, base model vehicle. It’s a modification if it doesn’t come equipped with it.
But yes, a 33” tire is extremely capable. Especially with a rear and center locker.
You need the front locker when one of the front is off the ground, you can use the traction control to get power to the other tire. Assuming you’re rear locker is locked. Unless you are doing some crazy stuff. But let’s be truthful, most people are doing moderate trails at most ...
Then it’s really time to get a Jeep.
Did you try A-trac and/or crawl control with the 33's? Didn't have sound on when I watched so apologize if you mentioned in the video.
Ran the rear locker and the Atrac with 33s and 35s. I have never tried the crawl control. Saw a friend with a TRD Pro used his crawl control on a muddy hill and it was a failure - he turned his rear locker on and zipped up the hill no problem
Really you had the lockers and a-track while running the 33" better have that serviced as it looked like you were jeep traping every time withe the 285's.
I’m about to do the body relocation and gusset my spindles. My question is what gears did you switch to and do you have a supercharger? How’s the power?
I ran 4.56 gears with 35 inch tires and the performance was similar to stock performance (31 inch tires with 3.73 gears). I am now running 37 inch tires, should have gone to 4.88 or 5.29 gears. lots of folks are running 4.88 gears with 35 inch tires - my recommendation for 35 inch tires is 4.88 gears. I do not have a supercharger and the runner now weighs around 6000 lbs - it is slow
My idol 😍lol just one day I will be able to do the same
check out the 37' km3 video
Great vid - appreciate it. I have a built 4th Gen but running 33's. Just went to the Los Angeles Auto Show this weekend to check out the 2019s. Do you rub at all on 35's with the new bumpers? Do you have a body lift? Thx
They do not rub, the keys are to move the front wheels forward (maximum caster) and aggressive body mount chop. I do not have a body lift. Before I installed the front bumper, had to trim some of the the front fender since the tires were moved forward in the wheel wells
Any rubbing on fender wells when fully stuff and did you trim any plastic liners
@@markmiguel3350 Lots of trimming of the plastic liners. To get to 35" tires, need to do an aggressive body mount chop and maximize the caster (move the front wheels forward). My truck builder claimed we need to go to the Icon system to maximize the caster. I can get rubbing while backing up and turning on a steep hill. Have a plan to fix the rubbing, going to Icon 14" 700# coil over springs which will allow raising the front end another 1.5 inches! Should have gotten the Icon 14 inch spring coil overs from the start. Hope this helps
Por eso me gusta esa camioneta
Great video thank you. If I have my stock 4Runner non-aggressive “all-weather” wheels and I change to KO2’s of the exact same size. Will my mpg change bc of the tread or stay the same bc the size of both tires is the same ? Thank you!
Probably lose a little due to the increased tire weight - suspect the KOs are heavier by 5-10 lbs than your previous tires? Increasing the weight of your wheel or tires does impact gas mileage
Sven Norman thanks a lot I appreciate it!
Sven Norman increase tire weight and also rolling resistance. All terrain tires have more resistance that does affect your mileage a bit.
May want to regear the transmission. It'll definitely get worse mileage than it already does with those bigger tires. My buddy regeared his after putting on 35s lot of work and money. Could have bought a razor for all the upgrades he did to his 4 runner. new larger tires wheels, new upgraded suspension, rock sliders bumpers transmission regeared, light bars swing out custom hitch , roof rack Was just over 20 grand
@@davidpainter6940 u re gear the differentials, not the transmission
Wish you took the exact same lines. Would have been a better comparo I think.
Awesome. We’re do you find RSG plates?
On their website. Just went to their website and it has changed, can't find the semi circle plates - you may need to email them
Sven Norman
Ty
Do you know there website? I can’t find anything.
RSG offroad - rsgoffroad.com
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What kind of rocker rails are those
Shrockworks sliders. I work in Houston, Shrockworks is in Houston so no shipping cost (have to pay taxes however). Also have Shrockworks front and rear bumpers.
Great comparison video. Which one you like more. I getting my truck lifted but cant decide what size of the tire will work for me. How much MPG changes with 35's vs 33's. Thanks in advance.
With the 35" tires and all the armor weight, getting 14 mpg. With the 33" tires and some of the armor, got 15 mpg. Going to 35 inch tires requires a significant amount of fender modifications, body mount chop.
Bigger tires mean bigger rocks the 4runner can climb over. My build is a rock crawling build, not an overland build so big tires are important for improving performance.
@@svennorman9138 thanks a lot. I'm not doing a rock crawling but its gonna be an overlanding build.
Damn, Samuel D. Johnson Jr.!! hahaha 35's eat 'em up!!!!
Cool! But watching those CV's turn 35's at full lock gives me the hibbity-jibbities.
Jumped to 37" tires in February - been a challenge to get them to fit, finally no more rubbing!
@@svennorman9138 dang didnt even know you could fit 37s without excessive cutting
@@thehayman7352 Had to relocate the window washer fluid reservoir, cut the firewall and move it back, relocate the body mounts using the Alpine Designs body mounts (for Tacoma). There is no plastic left inside the front wheel wells.
I gotta ask, why didn't you use your MTS or even A-TRAC? You may have used your rear locker once there but not on the rest of the attempts. You'd have done just fine on 33's using only MTS on rock setting.
The rear locker was on with the Atrac for both 33" tires and 35" tires
Did you re-gear your truck after getting 35s? Was loss in power palatable? Thanks!
Did regear to 4.56 after 35s. Should have gone to 4.88 ratio. The 4.56 with 35 inch tires provided similar performance to stock
@@svennorman9138 should do dual transfer case then
@@vladd5291 I do not. I wish I did. A friend with a Tacoma has dual transfer cases with 40 inch tires - rock crawling beast
Is there a noticeable increase in the amount of tail captured?
I do not understand the question
@@svennorman9138 Incel. 😂😂😂🤣🤣
What did you do with the slimline front bumper?
Sold it, though about doing the SSO high clearance but Shrockworks promised a front bumper in 2 weeks! Shrockworks is in Houston and I work in Houston so no shipping. Decided to go with the Shrockworks front bumper.
@@svennorman9138 how were you able to fit 35's. I have an ome spring with bilstein shock setup. 285/70/17 general grabber at2. Have and rpm fab roof rack coming in the next week or so. 5 procomp vertigo wheels.
@@trail.runner1422 Push the caster to +4 during a front end alignment, aggressive body mount chop. My wheels are 17X8.5 with a -6mm of offset so I didn't need wheel spacers. Need to trim the plastic inside the fender wells, I ended up removing all plastic back to the firewall. Also had to trim the plastic front bumper, then replaced with the Shrockworks front bumper
Did you re gear for the 35s?
I have not re-geared. Does not accelerate well into traffic. Probably need to re-gear
@@svennorman9138 you need regearing for 35inch. Anything bigger than 33inch definitely need regearing
Its because the 4runner is a slug anyways being a bit slower slug doesnt matter i guess lol. Im on 35s also on a 5th gen. Im in the Dallas area
@@PVo-1111 did you re-gear?
Should put 5.29 gear while on 35 in tires ??
What did you need to do to fit 35-1250 on it
Lots of folks are running 35s on generation 5 4runners now. Some folks went the long travel route which extends the axles and moves the wheel wider. My approach was to do an aggressive body mount chop using the RSG semi circle plates, push the caster to +4 during the alignment and trim the inside of the fenders. I have a video on this topic.
Were you running the rear locker before and after? Was there cheering in the background? For real or did you dub the cheering into the video?
Yes, the locker was on in all the attempts. Tried to choose the same line for equal comparison. Yes, was cheering in the background on the wet & wild trail - whole bunch of jeeps didn't think the 4Runner was going to make it. They were ribbing me a little, all in fun. They told me to "turn on the light bar". The jeeps also discussed how many jeeps would be required to winch me off the rock. Surprised everyone (how fast the 4Runner with 35s climbed the rock) including my camera man, he paused to change positions and missed a little footage.
Also check out the "blood on the rocks" video - video shows the 3 attempts trying to get over the wet and wild rock - all failed. Wrapped the tailpipe around the rear axle - decided 35" tires would be a good idea
If you own a 4Runner.....get a Pedal Commander. It transforms the the sluggish feel into SPORTY!
How is it on fuel
I assume it was setup to take off slow to save fuel
Don't know why it get great mpg
16 on average
Lol
@@phillipstuart3318 I am getting BETTER MPG than before....it makes NO sense but it's true!
Omg the abused these 4runner going through is beyond belief. These 4runner was meant to be a family suv over landers not a rock crawler. I just bought a used one I hope its not one of them.
Gives me anxiety. Hope you have skid plates.
RCI skids
You need a locker my friend
Installed an ARB air front locker January 2019, 6 months after this video
Sven, I'm not hating, but what's the point? Comparing 35's to 33's for rock crawling is like saying a V8 has more power than a V6. No duh! Even more so...a 5th Gen 4Runner's strength isn't rock crawling (IFS, no center locker, stock approach angle, etc.). Of course the Jeeps are going to tease you about what Jeeps do well! Do a video comparing their quality, reliability, ride comfort, etc. to a 4Runner and it's a completely different story because that's the 4Runner's strength. So what's the point? Bigger tires crawl over rocks better? Maybe you should've bought a Rubicon with 37's...
All true what you say. I have ridden with the dark side (jeeps). The jeeps with 35s and 37s do well on the rocks. The 4runner 5th gen is not designed to rock crawl. - more of an overland vehicle. The point of the video is to assist 4runner owners to understand the potential of 35" tires. Putting 35" tires on a 5th gen is not easy; requires substantial investment plus lots of trimming. If you are a 5th gen owner, is it worth the funds and effort to get to 35" tires or buy a jeep? Have you seen the jeep army videos? Pretty awesome. The reason I didn't buy a jeep is reliability - too bad Chrysler has a bad reliability reputation (maybe today not as true as the 1980-90s)
I hear ya, brother. Both have strengths, both have weaknesses. It all comes down to choosing the right vehicle for what you want to do.
Butttttt 4Runners do have a center diff locker. Also on the second feature was your ATRAC not on the first couple attempts? Would have minimized that wheel spin.
Ran rear locker and the atrac for all of the attempts in this video - both May and September. Hard to match the exact line.
A transfer case for 4x4 is a central locker
No offense but your locker isn't on
It's an a arm setup
Not the best for what you are doing
It's also a wagon
Aka drag n wagon
5th gen are great for camping offroading
Otherwise look into
All pro toyota truck [one of the best 4x4s]
Longer a arms with tundra shafts
Or put a straight axel under it
Great looking rig
These videos were taken before I installed a front locker, rear locker definitely on. The Jeep is a better choice for rock crawling than 4Runner for the reasons you mentioned. I have off loaded with a few Tundras, they didn't do well plus they struggle on the narrow trails (long vehicle can't make the turns)
@@svennorman9138 He's saying you need to get extended travel control arms and tundra half shafts for better articulation upfront, 4runner IFS is less than ideal, 35s make up for it until you come to larger obstacle.
Go big or go home EOS
as long as almighty God continue to favor me with health and life and also with my job i will never buy a used car
Why would you believe in an almighty god if he plays favors to some and takes from others.
Get a SHERP.
i thought the ICON lift were limited to 33" tires...
Running 37X13.5 with a 3 inch icon lift now