Abuse Hand of Midas before TI is over

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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  • @xerxesmontes9828
    @xerxesmontes9828 11 місяців тому +142

    Its okay man, a video every 2-3 days is more than enough. Nobody really expected you to produce a video a day content, it seems unsustainable at the level of quality you always give. Cheers Bowie!

    • @infamouseggman
      @infamouseggman 11 місяців тому +1

      early signs of the beginning of the end for a youtuber, sad

  • @NurseTony
    @NurseTony 11 місяців тому +21

    A video twice a week will be fine with me. Take your time in producing quality content while getting that good rest bro. Good to have you back.

  • @DangOldRegularOld
    @DangOldRegularOld 11 місяців тому

    5:49 Why is it better to midas some thing over others? Can someone explain this to me?

  • @TheCyanideGamerOG
    @TheCyanideGamerOG 11 місяців тому +7

    Nice video, some other things i wanted to add
    Midas gives decent gpm but the xp it gives it the more important part, which is why its traditionally an invoker item, he just wants a ton of levels to lower his invoke cd and have stronger spells. TB sometimes buys midas because even though hes one of the highest GPM heroes in the game, his XPM is pretty mediocre because a lot of his farm comes from illusions that he wont get any xp from. Buying midas on tb lets you keep up in levels even with other flash farmers
    Some supports like phoenix or silencer like to sometimes rush a super expensive item with shitty buildup like hex or refresher, it you’re going for an item like that then by the time you can afford it as a supp then a midas would have pretty much paid for itself, so might as well buy midas for some extra levels and scaling
    Also i disagree that the attack speed is negligible, 35 attack speed for 2200g isnt anything crazy but its definitely not nothing either, and a lot of heroes with on hit effects that want more attacks are more likely to buy it (void bash, bara bash, slark passive, etc)

  • @swissQu
    @swissQu 11 місяців тому +4

    I honestly thought you already had 10 videos ready to go (but will post one each day). Some youtubers do this to boost their youtube algorithm.
    For video recmmendations, I would suggest you focus on player-hero analysis in pubs since that's what I noticed you're really good at. I would say your old "Things I learned" series was the best content you have and would love to see more. Maybe look at non-pro players who top the charts at dotabuff or watch streamers and analyze them (I would look at this as a win-win situation since they would be getting publicity as well).
    Keep rocking Bowsters!

  • @saphzeppeli
    @saphzeppeli 11 місяців тому +11

    I think continuing your "Things I learnt with..." series would be fun to watch, as I find it interesting to hear about your learning.
    Maybe a series about common mistakes in different brackets would also be nice
    Analysing games from different brackets would also be really appreciated. I just find it very entertaining to see people comment on plays, mistakes, etc and I struggle with finding content about that
    Thanks for your content anyways ✨

  • @sitrakafenohery2634
    @sitrakafenohery2634 11 місяців тому +2

    Man I'm just happy you're making content again, even if takes 1 or 2 weeks

  • @deeman010gdj
    @deeman010gdj 11 місяців тому +1

    I would like to see a video on highground sieging. Even on how specific teams screw up is good too.

  • @andrerodrigues2366
    @andrerodrigues2366 11 місяців тому +4

    I would love to see some math calculations on why Midas is so good right know.
    Like gpm wise increase and some comparisson in difference in exp(levels) if u carry Midas for 10/20/30/40 minutes vs not buying it

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn 11 місяців тому

      Depends what you use it on, you lose GPM if you go for optimal exp and vice versa
      If you use it on most of the small camps you can expect an increase in GPM of about ~95
      It's also hard to tell with the impact on exp since there are so many factors that come into play regarding you gaining it

    • @andrerodrigues2366
      @andrerodrigues2366 11 місяців тому

      @@LoLaSn we use math and statistics for that. Considering we use on hard camps creeps everytime (s tier) we can estimate the exp/gold gain X time.
      Lets say an average game a pos 4 without midas have 300/300 exp/gpm u just add The midas use on that.
      Its really simple maths most people can do but im saying its content nobody is doing rn and would explain Better why midas is strong (Bowie asked for content suggestion)
      Its different if u have actual numbers to prove a point. It doesnt have to cover ALL factors dota have. It just need to be clean calculations.
      Lets compare:
      First video: Midas is good because its strong since you can save charges... better use of it, qol changes etc etc
      Second video: midas is good because can increase your gpm in most cases about % or X number and also gives on average 5 levels every 10 minutes which is X exp runes etc etc
      If midas get nerfed in exp/gpm it could kill The item so thats why numbers is important

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn 11 місяців тому

      @@andrerodrigues2366 The thing you're overlooking is the initial price of the item which could be spent on items that benefit you immediately
      For the same price you could have items that let you survive a fight like glimmer cape, leading to more experience and gold or items that lead to more kills like rod of atos
      If all you want is the average then simply look up the winrate for midas and look up your specific hero
      The biggest creeps give ~190xp when midased, which isn't too bad though

  • @michaelseanchang
    @michaelseanchang 11 місяців тому +1

    Daily videos was above and beyond. I appreciate the ambition, and the resulting vids, but if it's too much work, it's too much work.

  • @Pseudonym660
    @Pseudonym660 11 місяців тому

    I think your view on Midas is a bit wrong. Midas is mostly about snowballing, as in getting ahead and staying there, or relying on your team to own because you're 0/8 from lane and you bought a Midas to recover. Midas is usually bought for pure jungling, because as a full-time jungler, you're getting less gold and xp than you would from a creep wave (it's like 2-3 camps, or 1 ancient:1 creepwave). The attack speed is also never negligible. Keep in mind, this is a 2.2k gold item you're buying -- you should never buy an item like Midas, if it's not going to help you scale.
    The other question is space. This goes back to the jungling thing I mentioned. You can't farm creeps if the camps are all dangerous. Granted, this isn't as much of an issue with the new side camps, but Midas has the ability to generate more gold from an equal amount of creeps, sidestepping the space issue. This is why you buy Midas on support Doom for instance, or just Doom in general. No matter how long the game goes, Doom will have Devour + Midas, meaning he'll be able to buy items so he'll always stay relevant, because he doesn't need space.
    As an offlane player, I'd say Midas is generally just a greedy first item on right-click heroes or Brew/Doom, if your draft allows it. As a rule of thumb, if you *can* be greedy, then you *should* be greedy. Carries can get away with an early Midas, because they're expected to farm, and the Gloves of Haste is a nice build-up (think: strength heroes with no attack speed amp and that buy phase boots, i.e. Wraith King; or just a carry that always buys Treads and can divert it towards Midas, i.e. Terrorblade). Supports, especially 4's, usually buy it after they've successfully roamed (snowballing) and they don't need to buy an item like Blink, Shard, or Aether Lens + Blink (ex.: Clockwerk/Potm), and actually just become a core when it happens. The nature of 4's being supports that *NEED* an extra item is usually what prevents these heroes from buying Midas. Shard on Grimstroke for instance, fundamentally changes his role by turning Ink Swell into a save. On cores, the timings are usually Midas + an item then fight on all heroes except Brew possibly.

  • @Billy_Herrington1969
    @Billy_Herrington1969 11 місяців тому

    I don't know if it's griefing, but I got 60%+ winrate on Midas dazzle first item, then i go into octarine core, with Octarine core, you can give infinite graves after level 12, 14 if you did not spec into grave that much, absolutely busted, especially on lower ranks where no one focuses supports. But if someone does decide to focus you, you just spam infinite glimmer on yourself or ghost, simple as

  • @pelosamigos5041
    @pelosamigos5041 11 місяців тому

    The math is not considering that if you were to kill the creep you used your midas on, your profit is only the difference between the 190g and the natural earning from that creep.. The time you take.to.kill said creep also counts although it's hard to especulate about. Having said that, ignoring the extra exp, talking about gold only, the midas should take about 30 min to actually pay itself. Also you should consider the hero resources you don't have in your disposal to farm, because you have a midas instead of eus for example, which help your farm through mama regen and move speed. I don't advocate for modas in general..

  • @DL-gg3sb
    @DL-gg3sb 11 місяців тому

    I think some carry shouldn't buy midas because another items have higher potential to farm. I tried for 20 minutes in custom lobby and that why you never see pa buy this. (ex. sven, pa, am, etc)

  • @Gioberrrto
    @Gioberrrto 11 місяців тому

    Pô Bowie, faz vídeo em BR tbm! É só dublar seus próprios vídeos :)

  • @HeraldYatoro
    @HeraldYatoro 11 місяців тому

    at my last game, I early picked slardar for offlane then somehow morph ended up at the same lane with me. so I rushed to buy midas before PT, because I thought it's the only answer when there's too many cores on a game..

  • @jocap3837
    @jocap3837 11 місяців тому

    POV: My rush midas IS 15 20 minute T-T

  • @Iamwhoiamifiammyself
    @Iamwhoiamifiammyself 11 місяців тому

    Wrong. There are 2 questions. Do I need attack speed? Do I need experience? And they are not just yes no, there is a scale, and when there is a great need for either (or even better, both), then buy it.

  • @slayerkk7
    @slayerkk7 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey Bowie, long-time fan and fellow huelander here - I always praised your in-depth analyses, which was definitely what set you apart among other content creators. Take your time to produce good quality stuff, don't rush it - and most importantly focus on yourself. You will be reaping the benefits in no time. If I was to leave a suggestion, I would love to see content on how certain items evolved over the years and shaped the meta around it. Keep rocking!

  • @arreng2364
    @arreng2364 11 місяців тому

    its really interesting how players has different logic with their item in dota ...I used different logic before i go midas

  • @arreng2364
    @arreng2364 11 місяців тому

    its really interesting how players has different logic with their item in dota ...I used different logic before i go midas

  • @RenatoGuedes
    @RenatoGuedes 11 місяців тому

    Can someone explain what happens after minute 22:30? Thanks

  • @shmeepo2428
    @shmeepo2428 11 місяців тому

    lmao my creep midas tier list got featured

  • @samueltangamandapio5067
    @samueltangamandapio5067 11 місяців тому +6

    Midas on courrier has the same CD as your normal inventory

    • @gunzaown
      @gunzaown 11 місяців тому +7

      i think he saying assemble it at fountain in ur courier rather than holding the gloves so it starts its cooldown at base

  • @lanonymepaul5129
    @lanonymepaul5129 11 місяців тому

    What about IO for midas i saw it once on ceb isn't io similar to phoenix regarding is relation to farming and item dependency

  • @BudiTabootie
    @BudiTabootie 11 місяців тому

    I dont like 1 video a day. Just go with 3 day and go with better quality and data

  • @skyblizter
    @skyblizter 11 місяців тому

    may i ask why range creep at minute 22.30 is S tier to be midas?

  • @ToughLuck808
    @ToughLuck808 11 місяців тому

    Anyone else thought the thumbnail was naughty? 😈

  • @justintimbersaw3934
    @justintimbersaw3934 11 місяців тому

    Why do we only use on wave creep past 22 mins?

  • @Kripkee
    @Kripkee 11 місяців тому +1

    I'd like to watch a Dota 2 lower rank getting a coaching session from Dota D.Bowie

  • @gaiadrazer
    @gaiadrazer 11 місяців тому +1

    God finally someone explain this. I hate the fact that people still think like Midas is the same as Dota1

  • @adrianljx66
    @adrianljx66 11 місяців тому

    Does dazzle support still go midas?

  • @demii6880
    @demii6880 11 місяців тому

    HAVE U CONSCIDERE TO PUT ES[ANISH SUBTITLES ON UR VIDEOS

  • @gengraded
    @gengraded 11 місяців тому

    thought there was a new run the jewels for a moment when I saw the thumb

  • @RankOfficial.
    @RankOfficial. 11 місяців тому

    I just saw storm build maidas

  • @rakshumi
    @rakshumi 11 місяців тому

    Bowie is alive, not dead!!!

  • @DigitalFuturezz
    @DigitalFuturezz 11 місяців тому

    Hey bowie, did you left axie?

  • @RamPeNsHunt
    @RamPeNsHunt 11 місяців тому

    how to show like that statistic

  • @Khongor-gb4ss
    @Khongor-gb4ss 11 місяців тому

    can u make a video on arc warden

  • @zaslayer
    @zaslayer 11 місяців тому

    Midas 45 min inc at 1k mmr

  • @alifhafizbinjasni5644
    @alifhafizbinjasni5644 11 місяців тому

    is qop midas good

  • @lightmana4415
    @lightmana4415 11 місяців тому

    The midas creep tier list is a little bit off. Centaur and troll should be the only 2 in S tier or S+ tier if you want to keep the original tier list since they give more xp out of all other big creep.

    • @D2BOWIE
      @D2BOWIE  11 місяців тому

      ranged creep gives more experience over time which is why after min 22.30 they are S tier

  • @brainfeeder6
    @brainfeeder6 11 місяців тому

    rip pubs hahaha

  • @Youmu_Konpaku_
    @Youmu_Konpaku_ 11 місяців тому

    Cool keyboard

  • @antoinekawal9670
    @antoinekawal9670 11 місяців тому

    The blink dagger video idea in your community post is something that I’ve wondered every single time I bought blink dagger, I think if you could pull that off it would be amazing. I think the best blink hero is bound to be like Rubick or cm or pugna (works well with decrepify)

  • @farhanroslan-zv8kn
    @farhanroslan-zv8kn 11 місяців тому

    Recently i play omni offlane with midas. Item sequence bracer,magic stick,phase boot,soulring,midas,shard,harpoon,sange yasha,heart. Very efficient. I learnt this build from enemy offlane in 1 of my games, try it & it's lot better than my previous item build.
    My previous item build was bracer,phase boot,echo sabre,shard,harpoon etc next. I farm very slow & very poor if don't kill.
    Midas also secure neutral token so there's no more bad luck regarding no neutral token even after farmed 5 neutral camp.

  • @cheddarbaybiscuit
    @cheddarbaybiscuit 11 місяців тому

    I was talking with a friend recently about when to go MoM/Midas, Manta, BKB + SnY, Linkens on Faceless Void today. You could say build guides but also when to build which defensive options.

  • @CaptBlackjack22
    @CaptBlackjack22 11 місяців тому

    Great video. Recently started playing again after a bit of a break and a little run of other mobas for variety. Coming back and seeing 2 charges was an absolute shock. Also, void is a bad farmer now? Bf/mael not meta for him anymore? ive been playing a lot of pos3/4 and was wondering why he hasnt been as popular.

  • @S-Kara
    @S-Kara 11 місяців тому

    “Editing is impossible”
    My dumbass that listens to this while riding my bike as an audiobook : Very nice editing indeed! Thanks for the content😅

  • @Ruimney
    @Ruimney 11 місяців тому

    Bowie If you haven't tried yet, I'd like to see you guess the rank of someone, I pulled that idea from gameleap and it's a lot of fun. Love ur videos btw

  • @aster2308
    @aster2308 11 місяців тому

    The meta is actually stupid, buy core item then buy midas to play lategame because you are absurdly strong with whatever item you have (blademail/greaves,vanguard etc).

  • @dongholiothesecond3324
    @dongholiothesecond3324 11 місяців тому

    It seems this item is either really underpowered or overpowered i still hope they keep the charges function however it really dealt with the annoying ass rush to midas something quick when it comes off cooldown like maybe nerf it so it had to be in one of your main 6 slots for it to come off cooldown and possibly make it so it's cool down cant be reduced further with items like octororine and through abilities.

  • @artoursad
    @artoursad 11 місяців тому

    Chad

  • @Pedram_Aphotic
    @Pedram_Aphotic 11 місяців тому

    players with behaviour score lower than 7k should not be allowed to midas 😂

  • @LucasSchons
    @LucasSchons 11 місяців тому

    I think you really shine when you make guides on heroes/builds that are strong on the current meta. When you run out of those, you can always make videos on how to counter those same heroes. I would love some tips on how to counter Bristleback for example. Keep it up, man!

  • @mikeylejan8849
    @mikeylejan8849 11 місяців тому

    I get sick with many supports who keep buying hand of midas all the time then just going for late game items.

  • @rikoaya2741
    @rikoaya2741 11 місяців тому

    best video I have seen
    btw can you or someone explain me that part again? 6:30
    why complete it on base??

  • @drummechan1cs
    @drummechan1cs 11 місяців тому

    good video! and for suggestions, a bunch of draft analysis from ti is a great way to keep content coming with minimal editing while keeping the content itself very top tier

  • @UorpvxOboela
    @UorpvxOboela 11 місяців тому

    Dont forget the biggest chabge in midas is having two charges. So you're getting benefit even in death as the cooldown on midas is still ticking. But it really depends on the pace of the game for me if both side dont want to attack and passive as shit ill get it.

  • @theunknownplayer9634
    @theunknownplayer9634 11 місяців тому

    The meta of orge magi with full 6 midas items is oply stonked

  • @Thepippinator2
    @Thepippinator2 11 місяців тому

    A video every day is insanity. 🤣 quality over quantity! One video ever week or two is great!

  • @EmQue33
    @EmQue33 11 місяців тому

    I just see every game people buy midas, so just buy it when you can i guess lol

  • @yourtags4876
    @yourtags4876 11 місяців тому

    what site do you use for item progression stats?

  • @clipmashups2997
    @clipmashups2997 11 місяців тому

    Alchemists 3rd skill too

  • @imgnku
    @imgnku 11 місяців тому

    Lone druid double midas?

  • @用生命吃瓜
    @用生命吃瓜 11 місяців тому

    Quality over quantity

  • @rapdota07
    @rapdota07 11 місяців тому

    Will it work with tinker? Bought after blink soul ring.

    • @EchNelys
      @EchNelys 9 місяців тому

      Does not refresh with Tinker's ultimate

  • @jewii3824
    @jewii3824 11 місяців тому

    when should a hero like TB get midas? I feel like if early game goes great, there's no need to go midas, instead going manta bkb skaddi would just secure you the game. If early game is crap, getting a midas might just throw the game. Pls teach me!

    • @nicks6941
      @nicks6941 11 місяців тому

      theres no such thing as “too much farm” my friend #5ktips

    • @SoftInTheInk
      @SoftInTheInk 11 місяців тому

      Midas isn't just for recovering, it's for getting further ahead, if your team is ahead early and you can safely buy Midas without worry of being snowballed, you reduce the time it takes to get to your next big items (e.g. Manta, BKB, Skadi) and end the game.

  • @spacelouie9955
    @spacelouie9955 11 місяців тому

    wtf is a pinecone guy

    • @ThomasK12J
      @ThomasK12J 11 місяців тому

      The neutral creep

    • @spacelouie9955
      @spacelouie9955 11 місяців тому

      @@ThomasK12J yea but wich one

    • @ThomasK12J
      @ThomasK12J 11 місяців тому

      @@spacelouie9955 tf you mean which one

    • @gengraded
      @gengraded 11 місяців тому +1

      I think they spawn in medium camps. They are called Warpine.

  • @lunarzenith
    @lunarzenith 11 місяців тому

    Hi bowie, would love to get an explanation about brown boots and upgraded boots over farming items on a pos 1. Like do i really need it as a p.a if im just afk farming on the jungle min 7? Thanks!

    • @UstatRex
      @UstatRex 11 місяців тому

      power threads give you atk speed + armor (agi) / hp (str), so it help you to progress your timmings, also you can switch to int to spam skills and be more effective in your farming. Quick answer, yes, you need it and you can see it by yourself playing with brown boots and check you bf timming, usually the money you save makes you have the same or slower timing

    • @BudiTabootie
      @BudiTabootie 11 місяців тому +1

      For underfarm hero? Always yes. No better item besides boots for recovering farm, unless you are weaver go maelstorm

    • @lunarzenith
      @lunarzenith 11 місяців тому

      Yea my reason for not going boots before fury is coz im just juggling between 3 camps anyway without a farming item so i dont need to be places haha. I usually get kicked out of lane unless im using ck, as supports rarely pick lane dominant heroes in 2k but i dont blame them so i just go to the jungle as it's easy to recover anyway. But thanks for the tips lads, I'll try and see the difference in my games.

    • @gengraded
      @gengraded 11 місяців тому

      please don't be that guy...just curious, rank?

    • @lunarzenith
      @lunarzenith 11 місяців тому

      Crusader haha. Yea there's a reason why im in here but im open to learning.

  • @natersumkatanuar7631
    @natersumkatanuar7631 11 місяців тому +5

    Yesterday I fought against a Dire pos4 Hoodwink Midas, pos2 Void Spirit Midas, pos3 Ogre Midas, pos5 Dazzle Midas, and pos1 PA Battlefury. It was my 2023 easiest game, Radiant mega creeps in 20 minutes. I think I'll lay off from Midas.

    • @kylipls
      @kylipls 11 місяців тому +2

      ok bro

    • @UorpvxOboela
      @UorpvxOboela 11 місяців тому

      That's too extreme.

    • @ThomasK12J
      @ThomasK12J 11 місяців тому +1

      Seems like the enemy didnt ask themselves the four questions

  • @MrBaltonic
    @MrBaltonic 11 місяців тому

    Interesting, I always use midas on smallest creep to maximize gold gain

  • @girishkalburgi8854
    @girishkalburgi8854 11 місяців тому

    First ❤

  • @Jebu911
    @Jebu911 11 місяців тому

    I like this video because it makes my enemys buy hand of midas and get dumpstered because they dont really understand the item even after watching a video like this.

    • @farhanroslan-zv8kn
      @farhanroslan-zv8kn 11 місяців тому

      It make your teammate buy midas too

    • @Jebu911
      @Jebu911 11 місяців тому

      @@farhanroslan-zv8kn true if i soloque then it might be a problem haha

  • @chriss3147
    @chriss3147 11 місяців тому

    For me, Midas is definitions of being greedy
    I would never buy it as core, it really have no impact beside adding the attack speed, I feel there is a lot better item that you can buy to instantly make impact. If you buy it mid-game you gonna delay your timing against another enemy carry that didn't build Midas. You gonna be weaker than enemy carry or mid
    While for support player, totally unacceptable. It is so against the nature of support (being selfless)
    The only exceptional case is orge magi. He can have impact with Midas and maximise the benefit of Midas (for turning into Buffy core with items, clear creep wave and against controlled neutral or cart)
    The only item designed in Dota 2 for orge magi