The Scene That Explains Why Spider-Man Worked and Amazing Spider-Man Didn’t | SCENE FIGHTS
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Spider-Man and the Amazing Spider-Man are two similar--but very different movies. Raimi launched a new era of superhero films, while Amazing Spider-Man struggled to forge a new way forward for the franchise. In Scene Fights we break down two similar scenes, that highlight the successes and failings of each film.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Nguyen Trang
Special Appearance by Trapper Dave
Host Appears with Permission of Doug
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What did you think of the Amazing Spider-Man?
So am the only one who still thinks he’s the worst but really likes him
It was fine, not amazing tho 😏
Just fine
Underrated
If They Had Done The Amazing Spider-Man 3, Then It Could Have Been Good Or The Amazing Spider-Man Trilogy Could Have Been Apart Of The MCU!
it's not perfect, but good enough...
16 years later just thinking about the train scene from SM2 still gives me fluidy eyes
careful he's a hero
I have all three movies and I love all of them
@@Jaegerhunter it's on Netflix
That scene is a masterpiece
He can see how he feels the pain. Like beeing in Gym.
They wasted Andrew Garfield's performance. He's a perfect adult Peter Parker. Peter is not a dork as an adult.
Yeah-I agree. Andrew should have been college Peter Parker.
I agree. They didn't have to started with the origin story.
Not only that neither he, or Emma Stone could realistically pass for teenagers... Neither could mcguire or dunst, but it was the first ever big screen spider-man film so nobody cared.
@@mikeb53 Tobey didn't have to play a teen for long. He was attending ESU fairly quickly into the movie.
And Peter was still a dork as an adult. He's a science wiz, after all. Scary-smart, but socially-inept. Except for the many girlfriends he has had.
BNuts all the many many girlfriends
"You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" - one of the all time great movie quotes
For sure lol
Thank you, New Yorker # 4
@@ScriptWriter66 no one cares
the movie was perfect your opinion is bs.
They put that in because of 9/11. Marvel and Sony were giving the middle finger to Al Qaeda and it was fucking metal as fuck, dude
@@ScriptWriter66 ok zoomer
My theory has always been that Sony had no idea Spider-Man was a comic book character. They just assumed it was a movie they did back in 2002. So they decided to remake that, but there was one comic fan who suggested peter make his web shooter, Gwen Stacy be the love interest etc etc
Yeah, they definitely don't love the character, just his box office returns
No...
Actually Gwen Stacy is SpiderMan’s first love interest not Mary Jane ,Mary Jane was actually set up to be Gwen’s competition, sounds like the 2002 SpiderMan didn’t read the comics not the Sony version.
@Itachi Is superior to you Finally someone with braincells in this comment section.
@@ScreenCrush And then there is into the spiderverse
"Hey he stole that guys pizza!"
true evidence why spiderman is a public menace.
"pizza time!"
Spider-Man needs to be stopped!!!
I always thought there should have been a line about that with JJ and Peter.
Toby has something Garfield will never have
Pizza Time
I'm gun put some dirt in your eye
@@Tinpinming gonna cry?
@@Tinpinming You'll get your dirt in my eye
*WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!!*
@@theminecrafterreturns7251 i miss the part where that's my problem
Want another chance ? Get Joe's Pizza
Garfield : i want my role back.
Maguire : you'll get your role back when you fix this damn door.
Garfield : sad face.
Maguire : gonna cry.
I saw what you did 😂
except we all know is maguire who is the cry baby.
Lmaoo
Garfield: Not my policy
Bruh😂🤣🤣
I love the added bonus comedy segments tied into the video. Nice addition to the usual format.
Thanks!
Wait so it’s not a fan film
Do why The Incredibles worked and Fantastic Four didn't.
YO
They showcased characters with an arc, a story with a compelling narrative any family can relate to and showcased the struggle of super powers with realistic reasons for them to have issues living in contemporary society.
ScreenCrush Can’t wait bro
Dope idea
Neither of them work tbh
Those bridge/train scenes are some of the best scenes in cinema-absolute masterpieces!
One thing to note: the “corp” in Oscorp is for corporation, not an army corps.
It's only now i figured that the two movies have different aspect ratio. The height of Raimi's Film is adding more to the "epicness" of a superhero story as it leaves room for "larger than life" characters like spider-man. I'm more fond of this apect ratio rather than the "flat" wide shots, which is more common in cinema.
both are good in their own right
the western set in the great prairies will look better in 21/9 - it would be a "horizontal movie"
another good example - scenes from Interstellar set on the water planet
spider man is set in a skyscrapers filled NY - a very much a "vertical" landscape, and spider-man literal and metaphorical up and down swinging makes it a "vertical movie", so it benefits from a higher frame
I made this all up
I actually love when movies change aspect ratio throughout a runtime - it's a very simple yet powerful visual instrument
@@alexmikhylov totally agree with you. I love how in Westworld season 2 and 3 they are changing between aspect ratio. and yes, both variations have their value. It is just my opinion, that in most cases, a higher frame is more complementary for the eye. But as you pointed out: in western as a common example, a wider shot is better especially for landscape shots.
I never liked Spider-Man 1's Aspect Ratio (1.85:1) and was glad that they went with the scope aspect ratio (2.39:1) for the sequels.
@@ericdxfan511 That's fair since the aspect ratio in the sequel is the convention, but I preferred the original because it made the comic-book styled cinematography feel even more comic-booky. To me it felt like panels coming to life instead of a movie
Remember Marvel and Sony had reached a deal to include the Oscorp building from The Amazing Spider-Man in the NYC skyline in The Avengers but it was too late to include it by the time they reached a deal. So the reason why all those cranes are there technically is rebuilding after the Battle Of New York.
The Battle of New York? You mean the Avengers' Battle of New York? But TASM was not part of the MCU. 🤔
@@amon8977 Thats what Jordan is saying. Sony & Marvel had made a deal in 2012 to include TASM Spider-Man into Marvel with little baby steps. They were gonna start with including the Oscorp tower in the Avengers and referencing the New York battle in TASM. But the deal never reached a complete closure because there were delays in production. So the cranes are actually there cause the city's been rebuilding since Avengers
@@anxxxiiiiiiiious Oohh. Sorry, I didn't know that. My bad.
@@amon8977 Yeah, also when Tony Stark goes to recruit Peter Parker in Captain America Civil War, originally it was going to be the Andrew Garfield Peter Parker but since Sony fired Andrew Garfield it was decided to give Spider-Man a fresh start.
@@jordanherkowski5052 i wonder in an alternate timeline where they didn't fired andrew garfield and tom holland wouldn't been spider man in the mcu, just a what if, but i kinda feel bad for tom if he wasn't been casted as spider man in 2016
Spiderman worked because it made sure that the moral was clear that anyone can be spider man
But amazing Spiderman told us that your father needs to be a very famous and intelligent scientist who fucking made a radioactive spider for his son and he needs to make sure that he also recorded it about what he should do.
So yeah everyone got the point right!
YES! I always hated that part of the TASM movies. It's like saying that his father gave Peter his powers and opportunity as a superhero. Anyone can be Spider-man. It may not be literal but it just means that anyone can be a hero in their own ways. Powers or no powers.
Short version: in this world "spider man" is just a cross species plan that wasn't ready.
Long version coming up!
As seen in tasm 2, those spiders were being used because they can heal themselves, oscorp wanted to find a way to apply that to humans, and in the process, Richard Parker made a startling discovery which prompted him to disappear. Now how does that disprove your opinion? Well, let me explain.
Since Richard's disappearance, oscorp has been tinkering with cross species genetics, as seen in tasm. Skipping the obvious stuff like the lizard and shit, the spiders were kept alive and then Peter gets bitten and doesn't seek medical attention. Meaning that oscorp was still working with the spiders, but their work wasn't ready. But what does this have to do with Peter? Nothing. Here's why.
Oscorp made it a point to keep anything related to his father's work secret. So Peter is just a kid with questions about his folks. So when he finds that his pops worked at oscorp, he follows the bread crumbs, and yeah spider bite happens. This doesn't show that you have to be the child of uber cool scientist to be spider man because the huge plan was to keep specifically him away from this. Why? Here's why.
"Spider man" is just the cross species oscorp was planning for, they just weren't ready. Peter's courage and his journey throughout the movie is what makes him a hero.
In Tobey version, it's an inspirational story about how anyone could be spider man. In this darker version, spider man is really just a cross species that work. It's just an oscorp plan, nothing more than just an experiment. In this world Peter is not special, he's just an experiment. Let's say Peter never found that his father worked at oscorp. Well, eventually oscorp would've perfected the spider plans and made spiderman and scientific breakthrough. Not a hero, just an over the counter drug.
To sum up, it sucks. It's not inspirational, it's just bleak and unnecessarily sad, but it's real. Spider man is fun because he seems special, but in reality no one is. And it's a truth we need to accept. This version of spider man does. The truth in this movie is that no one is special, the lesson is that we don't have to be. We have our flaws and our losses, but if we can overcome it we could be better than special, we could be happy. Isn't that what spider man is all about? In the end, it doesn't teach us that you have to be someone specific to be spider man, it teaches us that we have to greater than what we suffer to be spider man.
@@isaiahbarton7507 That's what makes TASM's version sucky. They overcomplicated the origin story. A Spider-man movie can be dark, sure. But why overcomplicate the origin? Spider-man is relatable to his audience. He is not like those other superheroes that are rich or born with powers. Spider-man is fun because he is relatable. Relatable in a sense that his problems are what we experience daily. School problems, love life issues, small wage earnings, etc. Look at what they did with Tobey's version. Simple yet relatable and fun. That's why we love it. MCU took a different route without showing the origin but it's fine since we know it already but we saw what we experienced when we were in school as awkward teenagers. It's fun.
@@amon8977 there was more to it than just those two movies. There was sinister six plans, and other oscorp stuff. Tobey was simple because it was just spider man and friends. Tasm was going to dive much further, creating a bigger world. Yes it's quite complicated, but it would have covered it's tracks and delivered. Maybe in over complicating the origins was to ensure that it's a different incarnation, not a lazy remake. Like the dark knight, there was so much more to that origin than other batman. They could've simply done a much similar origin as Tobey, but where's the individuality? Plus, the paradigm for superheroes is changing, not just movies, as a whole. The demand for complicated stories is growing. Honestly, this can be compared to daredevil series. This was made to be a much bigger world.
Also, Garfield's Spider-Man took his mask off every 2 minutes.
In all fairness so did tobey
Didnt tobey take off his mask on a building where everyone could see him? U know that meme "they love me"
Tom Holland takes it off all the time. That’s why he got snitched on in Far From Home
All fcking spidermen take off there masks tbh
I mean if you wanna get technical Andrews spideys identity had less people know
Toby had it hard, showed the meaning of the night of uncle Ben, and the goblin was sort of like the joker, insane. While Garfield's Spiderman was like... uncle ben dies. Oh no, anyway my parents
Willem Dafoe (goblin, of course) and the Joker being mentioned...god, I'd love to see Dafoe play as the Joker, even if it's for a short skit (maybe a recreation of the dark knight's interrogation scene).
Sorry, I just felt like expressing randomly.
@Adoragun Here’s the thing about the parents stuff. Peter arguably wouldn’t be as obsessed with finding out about what happened to them as he is if his dad had just told Ben and May I need to leave to keep my research from falling into the wrong hands. Then Ben and May could relay that message to Peter.
thumbs up just for calling webb a coward for not going full lizard
It’s really sad when even the mobile game based off the Amazing Spider-Man had more balls to go full-on lizard than the actual movie.
@@craftymasterproductions4218 To be fair, I don't think they would have had the budget to render all those models wreaking havoc across New York. Just because it's an awesome concept doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be pulled off
Movie Hermit Still would’ve liked if they’d at least showed people actually turning into lizards.
Deeve Sid Phillips Yes. I do and it sounds awesome.
It would have been great but cramming that into the third act of a movie wouldn’t give time to do the concept justice.
Rami is a stronger director, toby is the peak Spiderman actor, Green Goblin was a more fleshed out character, no Bruce Campbell, no Lucy Lawless, No Randy Savage, no "He Stole That Guys Pizza", no upside down kissing.
Tobey is way better than Garfield as Spiderman/Peter Parker..I like Holland and Tobey as Spidey
@@dallasfinlay8056 No,Andrew Garfield is much better than Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man/Peter Parker
@@_andrewgarfieldspider-man5979 bro your funny 😂😂😂😂😂 never laugh so hard at a joke.
@@_andrewgarfieldspider-man5979 Personally i dont find Andrew relatable as Peter (handsome skateboarder dude lmao), and think his spider-man is a bit toooo quippy, I know spider man is very quippy in the comics but the way they wrote Andrews quips felt so forced to me, just comes across like a bully half the time
I always thought that the reason Spider-man is more of a smartass and Perter is is because of the mask and he can finally say the thing that he wouldn't as spider-man.
I literally teared up watching that Sam raimi scene I legitimately never cry at movies and TV shows and here I am
I really enjoyed Raimi's "Drag Me to Hell". After watching it multiple times, I came away thinking this might be one of my favorite directors.
The extra humor in this episode was fantastic, especially the extended cutaway to the house in the forest. I always enjoy your videos but this one had me laughing out loud like three times! Keep it up!
Dude, the only reason I'm even subscribed to screencrush is Ryan (and now, Doug). He is so good at explaining things and the sense of humor is on point. Engaging throughout the video. I actually get sad when the video is over. I'm a fan bro.
I liked the idea Marc Webb had to make peter parker a more relatable teenager, but when so much of a beloved character gets changed, the qualities that make them special are no longer there.
I think Tom Holland's movies hit the right balance between the 2.
@@ScreenCrush but ended up stepping away from what made a true Spiderman.....
No qualities, but "quirks" that enable us to sympathize more.
Mcu spiderman isn’t spiderman It's ironman jr
ScreenCrush well he doesn't 'hit the balance the two' he ain't even Spider man. He is a rip of miles morales iron man jr.
This really makes a lot of sense. What took me out of the moment in TASM was the amount of scenes which felt like they were for the 3D version.
Personally i really love the amazing spider man because it did teach me a few morals, one of them was 'to never lose hope' now there were a few mistakes with most of the characters scripts and tbh it is forgiveable because the amount of effort they put into the visuals. Andrew garfield is also a very humble guy and had so much potential. In my opinion TASM2 is better than far from home but tom holland is a good actor and so is tobey maguire. sam raimi crushed that film vv good :). it would b cool if andrew garfield could come back in the sony universe because tasm3 couldve fixed the film series. anyways it was a rlly good series i'll miss deeply
Damn these videos comparing scenes from different films are awesome! I love the in depth analysis of the narrative!
You went on a whole spiritual journey to find the theme of the amazing Spiderman 🤣🤣
I love how he is saying how bad amazing spider man movies are when he has a electro head on his desk
Well, there was a reason he beheaded him.
I really want to believe you made the 5 hour round trip upstate to film that skit and that wasn't just old footage of you!
TRAPPER DAVE
I love the break to soul search for the meaning of Amazing Spider-Man. That had me cracking up!
and it was a moment.
Your video essays are a thing of beauty! Going over the Spider-Man scene brought a tear to my eye. Then going over the amazing Spider-Man scene had me laughing my ass off. I’m glad you do what you do!
Sam Raimi, Writers, Sound Design and Amazing cast came together and created 2 of the best Superhero movies ever!
We could’ve used that unity now with the pandemic... shows how far society has turned in 2 decades
To be fair, if we chose from the two scenes during COVID, we'd have to choose the crane scene. Very good social distancing.
@@guyjperson ur right
@@guyjperson Uh...what the hell? What is with the whole Biden and commie thing goin on?
@@guyjperson What was it about?
@@guyjperson Yeesh, everyone is using the "communist" accusation as if it was Satan. The whole accusation thing has been parodied so many times. Why are people still playing it straight?
Politics is a f*#$ed up game where people dehumanize each other instead of solving together as humans. (Even if I lean towards one side, I still recognize it as flawed and has done messed up things)
Exactly - Raimi understood the characters, the location & the appeal of Spider-Man so much more. Garfield was too Ravenclaw - Parker should be more Hufflepuff.
I understood that reference
Nice reference 😉
What are you talking about?Garfield’s Spider-Man actually had characters doing something and that when they died they won’t be forgotten
😂😂😂
Great video man! Never thought about Peter’s leg not affecting his web swinging
Thanks!
My god your missing the point dumbass. We was wounded and when he saw the cranes, that gave him hope to survive because all the others were helping him.
ScreenCrush btw you make no sense.
@@soos8785 I think you're just an ignorant child
5:07 I didn't realize the punk girl with the cigarette was Lucy Lawless until this year!
I like the self confident spiderman played by Garfield. Emma Gwen was awesome too.
Does anyone else thinks the actors are backwards? like Garfield looks young but plays a seemingly more adult spiderman. While Toby looks old but plays an apparently 17yo spiderman.
Many Spidys will come and go, but the Sam Remie's spidy will always be the OG and best one.
I mostly lurk but just had to tell you I really enjoy your videos and this video in particular. Your mixture of analysis and humor works so well that I feel I can consistently depend on your content. Keep up the great work and leave my mom out if this.
Ryan your breakdown of the Tobey new yorkers scene had me in near tears. It can feel a little hokey to someone having a first watch now, but was so amazing at the time knowing how we were all feeling.
I was always a bigger fan of Maguire's amiable nerd portrayal than Garfield's quirky angsty teen.
Issues or Tropes with the Raimi Movies that I personally find kinda untrue-
1) MJ being a Damsel in distress- Somewhat true, but she was a living breathing character, and actually stood up for herself in certain situations. Remember, that she came from a Broken home and it's fine to be relying on a particular heroic figure.
2) Goblin Suit- I like it a lot, but u can understand some people not liking it, and I can see that it is a little "Power Rangery". But it's still better than what they initially had in mind. 8 year old Me bever minded it back in 2002, it looked sick af! The green did have a Purple sheen to it. It was like the colour coat that was popular amoung Import Tuner guys back then. There's an argument that they should have given him a military themed or a distressed cloak, but that would feel Outta character.
3) Venom being bad- Also disagree. Venom was pretty good and well-done, considering how forced and unwanted Sam felt about him. The Symbiote animation was so good, Venom 2018 can't even hold a candle against it.
4) Eddie being a turn-off- I liked Topher Grace as Eddie. I think it was a perfect contrast to Peter. Rather than being a Buff, Punkish, cocky Guy, he was more of a Smooth, Overconfident, Fast-talker. Kinda the opposite of Peter. I liked Eddie up until the Symbiote Takeover.
5) Spidey Suit looking old- Just shut up. It looks extremely beautiful, and it still is my Spidey Suit even after all these years. That would be the only suit which will be considered 'Vintage' in a couple decades.
6) Organic Webs- I actually didn't mind it at all. Of course, I was a kid so I didn't care much about these things. The only reliable Spidey media I had was the 1994 Animated Series that was dubbed and telecasted in my country since 1999. That's where I one of Spidey having Web-Shooters. We had Spidey comics, but they weren't organised properly, since the Comics were Printed by a company who collaborated with Marvel, DC etc. See "Gotham Comics"
7) The Black Suit- Okay, this is where I'm at 50-50. I like the one they used in the movie, but it isn't even a competition compared to the Classic Black Suit. They could have done something like 2-tone colours (like they used with Goblin) maybe a Black with Purple or Blue Highlights.
8) CGI- I think it was pretty brilliant, especially everything in Spider-Man 3 (The Sand and Symbiote Physics). There were some occasional duds, but apart from that it was great. Just check out the Burnin Apartment Fight Scene from the First one (2002). The Scenes here Spidey dodges the Pumpkin Blades is entirely CG. I could never make it out. I ways thought a person was dodging some projectiles in slow motion.
9) Relationship between MJ and Peter- I think it rather mature, along with the tone of those films. They simply weren't just Superhero Movies, they taught life lessons too. TASM series was pretty much teenage fantastic fan-fic.
10) Aunt May- Rosemary Harris was a natural in her role. She was very Motherly and always full of wisdom. That's what I want an Aunt to be. Aunt May from TASM was Bland, and the one from Tom Holland makes me want to stuff her like a Thanksgiving Turkey. Not exactly the appropriate emotion for that character.
11) The implied Rp Scene in Spider-Man 2002- Not many people talk about it, but a bunch of my friends do. It's a little creepy to think about it, and I always feel slight discomfort watching that scene as well as the fight. Spidey and MJ share the Classic Up-side Down Kiss within 3 minutes of the Scene. Don't get me wrong, that kiss is a beautiful moment on its own, but just a little uneasy compared how MJ almost got Rped had Peter not happen to change two damn busses just to meet her.
12) The Uncle Ben Killer retcon- This didn't bother me back in 2007, I even got shocked to find it. But after a while, I started feeling weirded out with it. Uncle Ben's death is too Classic, and I realised they probably did that to make Sandman feel more substantial, but it adds in a movie that already had too much going on already. Still, I loved Thomas Haden Church as Sandman.
I honestly agree with your idea on aunt may as a character
Phantom Thief I honestly never understood the hate for Aunt May in the Raimi movies.
I don't know what's better: the fantastic comparative analysis, all the different clips from other shows, movies, and games he's got on lock to edit into this video whenever they are perfectly relevant every single time, or Doug.
“And unlike the Russo brothers’ films there are actually innocent bystanders
Civil War, where the whole movie is about innocent bystanders: Am I a joke to you?
But in all their big fights, they remove all the civilians from the battle before it starts.
@@ScreenCrush Well they are the Avengers, they can get word around much faster than a dude in red spandex... no offense to all you spider man fans, I'm a fan myself, but yeah, the Avengers can get word around much faster than Spider man
@@ScreenCrush and that's intentional so they don't mess up civilian life like they did in age of Ultron.. for fuck's sake the whole movie was about that.
@@ScreenCrush winter solider...
yeah i refuse to believe the guy that captain america gassed to death deserved it
Hey can you do: 'Why nothing in tasm 2 worked' or 'How tasm 2 could have been improved into a better movie' plz
Except he already did a video on why that movie sucked. Why should he repeat the same stuff he already said in that video?
Ryan, your sense of humor and storytelling are just incredible. I watch these videos for you at this point!
Glad to hear it! I appreciate it very much.
This channel always gets recommended to me and I always have the greatest of times watching the videos. So I made the right choice to finally subscribe! Congrats on the great content!
The production level on these are definitely stepping up. Nice
Watching this made me realized that each of the spider man trilogy movies had a big group of people cheering or helping spider man and the amount of respect they had for their hero is amazing it makes me wanna tear up.
Edit: oh yeah which reminds me, even though the crain thingy was random and unnecessary for TASM.
The boat coming in conveniently for the children was also random lol.
Nah those barges are always on the move.
That outro with the “all hail the algorithm” got a like and a sub from me 😂😂😂😂
I feel so dumb that I didn’t realize the obvious parallel to the trolly problem 🤦♂️
Thank you for this, I really needed a good laugh today. Keep up the awesome work Ryan :)
Tobey: Spider Man
Andrew: Spider Men
tom:Spider Boy
Well said good sir. The stupid crane scene was always one of the many things that bothered me about The Amazing Spider-Man.
In SM2 they really ramped up on the choice thing and it was glorious...really love that movie
Great video man you killed it! Easily earned this new subscriber right here. Can't wait to see more
I don't know what your idea of 'killing it' means but okay.
Oh btw he didn't kill it.
I feel Toby’s got the Peter Parker part great, Andrew got the Spider-Man part right, for me Spider-Man has to talk, has witty one liner while fighting the villain and toby’s didn’t quite did any of that, way too serious
This guy deserves wayyyyy more subs. He’s so good, has amazing analysis, and really cool facts
that scene to this day still gives me goosebumps
loved the break scene! was that from an earlier film you made? it was awesome! hope you do more of that, it was wacky without being zany!
The amount of times he said "Oscors" hurts me.
The swinging shots in Raimi’s are awesome. As mentioned, the aspect ratio helped a lot.
And which is better?
Goo web or tech web?
For me, tech web.
Yeah, I don't like organic webs that much
Goo web should come from the ass.
Kenny Venegas ikr
Tech webs tf
That cut away scene 😂 you’re hitting your comedic stride with this one.
"All Hail the Algorithm"
that I got to watch your amazing analysis of my 2 favourite childhood movies.
All right, I think I've done it, I think I've finally made it through one day without hearing any comparisons between-
HERE'S WHY ONE SPIDER-MAN MOVIE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER
God damn it...
Toby nailed his character of Peter Parker and Spiderman to perfection and was born for the role just like Christian Bale was for Batman and Jason Mamoa for AquaMan and many more such amazing actors who nailed their character roles to perfection...
Amazing Spiderman has some best fight scenes and CGI and acceptable plot but the acting didn't touch the fans and give us the feels.
Man the acting was fantastic.
It was the script that ruined the movie.
@@ironbat1219 fr tho
Omg that vision quest was absolutely amazing
The production value of the videos keeps getting better and better.
Btw, damn... meaning journey Ryan is hot?
To me Toby had Peters persona but Andrew had Spider-Man's persona with the smart lipped smack talking, that those who grew up reading Spider-Man in the 60's know that's what him and Ben Grimm of the Fantastic Four is famous for.
Those two would talk about your mother while giving you a beat down, that was the only thing that threw me off with Toby's portrayal, even the MTV cartoon had him talking smack cause that's one of Spidey's main parts of his persona.
Agree. Spidey once even said to Doc Ock that he is a villain that fight like a nerd.
Yeah, but just because it works in the comics, doesn’t mean it’s going to work on screen. Raimi’s action scenes don’t really call for quippy one liners, and anytime there is, it’s dorky like the established character in those films is.
In these movies, while there are some genuinely good quips, I think the lizard fight has the quips utilised well, but for a majority of the movie and in TASM 2, Peter’s just a bit of douche. Which isn’t spidey. Yeah he quips, but he doesn’t just let innocent people die to tell his joke, the guy’s a superhero not a Stand up comedian. Was he hoping that the Rhino would feel so roasted that he’d stop the truck and get out to rethink his dodgy life choices?
I feel like people jump on the quips far too much, but comics back in the day were filled with pointless dialogue, that works for comics because you read it. A film is a visual treat, if you can show something about your character without saying a word, then do it. Raimi gets this as a filmmaker, Tobey doesn’t need to quip during his final battles, and that usually signals to the audience that the situation is being taken seriously. And when he does quip in a fight, it shows he’s a bit more relaxed, like when Harry saves him in 3, he has a small quip after it, but it’s there to get us to smile at these two friends fighting side by side.
Probably a longer comment than needed, but anyway the point is, Quips doesn’t equal great Spider-Man.
@@kevinjmccloy5865 yeah the same could be said for Toby
@@xshadowwreckerx7561 what could? Do you know how long that comment was? I have no idea what you mean by this.
@@kevinjmccloy5865 I’m saying that you could hate on Toby almost as much as Andrew
Because Rami and McGuire are Amazing.
Totally spot on. That's why I love this channel
The crane scene shows that heroes don't need to have powers. It's the people doing what they can do to help others. A great power brings great responsability.
Spider-Man: 9.6/10
The Amazing Spider-Man: 7.8/10
Spider-Man Homecoming: 5.8/10
i liked how the amazing spider man dug into the whole oscorp thing and wish that the movies had been better so we could uncover more about oscorp and his parents death
Love the bit from Dancing With Wolves towards the end.
The news woman didn't know Spider-Man was heading to Oscorp because the script said so. She knew because the Lizard was at Oscorp, and Spider-Man was clearly heading in the direction of Oscorp. Not in that particular shot, but considering Spider-Man seemed to be moving in the direction of Oscorp, Oscorp was evacuated, and the Lizard was inside of Oscorp at the time, it's not that hard to put the pieces together.
Also, the point of the cranes was so Spider-Man could swing, and didn't have to wall-run. This movie was going in a more realistic direction, and Spider-Man can't do his classic swinging by shooting webs onto the side of buildings. There are a couple scenes that break that rule, but that was still the intention.
I felt like Andrew's version was a Spidey who wasn't good at being Spidey.
and i felt he is much more made for this role than Tobey
@@ttudor3746 nah, he is too cool for peter, Tobey is a better dork, same with Tom holland. I agree he is the best spiderman but peter isn't supposed to be cool when he isn't spiderman, that's what he missed.
@@Iam-a-live I mean it doesn’t need to be accurate to the comics or the old school cartoons since it would be boring to have the same Peter in every show or movie
@@David-hi8og but it would also be underwhelming to watch that Spidey if he is cooler when he is Peter. Yes spiderman is supposed to be confident and supposed to make jokes but peter is almost exactly opposite, a nerd, low self esteem.
Tobey's peter is the best in my opinion, Tom's peter is passable but Andrew? That's not Peter Parker that's the guy every girl wants to be with but as spiderman it's almost opposite, Andrew is the best but shitty movies, Tobey is passable with great movies, Tom is gud with average movies and top notch cgi.
Bro tf are u saying literally garfield is the best spidey and tobey best peter lmao, honestly you complain about everything.
Wow the 2 story is so similar......crazy right.....they seem to be the same capharacter story pff incredible.....(when a director finishes ideas right)
Dude that dog scared the life out of me 🤣 it's like 3am and I have headphones on and im like half asleep and it sounded so real like next to me
The difference between Tobey and Andrew's Spiderman is that Tobey's was able to leave the woman he loved so as not to put her at risk and Spiderman 2 Peter kept promising that promise and in the end MJ was the one who decided to be with him but of your own free will
I disagree, the crane scene symbolises positive conciquences from Peters heroic actions and shows Peter the value of acting selflessly. I think it ties in very nicely with peters arc in the movie where he goes from being the victim being bullied by flash, then becomes the bully by seeking vengeance on the car thief. When finally in the bridge scene after saving the boy Peter see's the father and his son reunite, and he realises that he will never have this moment between him and ben, and that it is his responsibility to act selflessly. After all it was selfishness and being vengeful that got ben killed in the first place back when the store was getting robbed.
No dude, the crane scene is obviously non-sense, there is no arc in the movie.
~sarcasm
Its so retarded that ppl just throw off the whole movie points and reasons away just to make a single point to prove that one is better than the other one.
@@TGHunter your just biased
@@xshadowwreckerx7561 I don't think im biased here, i really like both movies, and i love all spiderman ones, even the third movie from the trilogy. I just don't blind myself and throw every argument out of the window because i prefer one thing over the other.
My fav spidermans are the cartoon Spectacular one and the MCU one.
But i love what the other offers, and i try to know the mistakes too. Imo, Amazing 2 is the only one that is kinda meh on the plot, but the visuals of the movie are still incredible.
I can be ok with ppl just liking something more than something else, but again, throwing the whole thing out and not considering its good parts is not a good view to have imo.
@@TGHunter ok I understand
Of course the music was good - it was James Horner. May he RIP
My feelings exactly.
It wasn’t just any crane operator, it’s Ponyboy Curtis! My son and I enjoyed that moment.
omg. Mind blown
6:49 Doug's bark scared tf out of me
"With great power comes great responsibility"
Love this comparison and detailed analysis!
ANOTHER Ernie Kovacs DVD in the background! You ROCK!
This is the best video you’ve done.
Bravo good sir.
Glad you think so!
ScreenCrush well it's not cause most people who watch this video are retarded, like this video.
@@soos8785 exactly they don't know shit ur the only person I see have sense
I still loved both Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man , even though I like the original a bit better because of its more serious tone
I never completed watching the amazing spider man, every time I try to complete it, it just get boring after 5 minutes..
Maybe thats why you don't like it.
Bias is a huge thing.
@@TGHunter fax
Awesome video 👌
Lol, the dances with wolves reference was something
In my opinion, I liked the Amazing Spider-Man than Spider-Man, you just don't Realize it, had Gwen in it, and that was better than started out with Mary Jane. They could have worked their way to Mary Jane. In the narration of Tobie McGuire's Spider-Man, he was not doing it for New York he was all about M.J. plus they made him to sappy. At least Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man was more of the Wise ass,and they made him move more like a spider. I know your opinion is way different then my, and I have to respect it. Just because you find things lame, I find things interesting..
It is very cool, that everyone encourages other people to talk about their feelings and opinions on their favorite comic book characters, wether it is in the comic books, television series or movies..
I like how amazing suit is more realistic to what peter would do, instead of raimi suit.
Peter in amazing was more belivable of a character and his motives to me than peter in the first movie. I like gwen relationship more too, they made it well. MJ pulled a lot of drama on peter for no reason, just because she was feeling like it.
To me raimi peter was better at the second movie tho.
You did throw in some opinions about Peter in the second Spider-Man movie.. When I have time maybe, I should watch the second Spider-Man movie again maybe, I missed something, that you might have hit dead on..
@@robertnickerson8463 Yea, both did some different stuff right tho. I love them all anyway.
@@TGHunter You are right you gave me insight on all three Spider-Man era of movies, that all three actors, that played Spider-Man was perfect for the role with the script, that, they were given, and the direction, that, they were given.
Thank you for helping me get some insight on all three timeline of the Spider-Man movies
Anyone else watching this and hearing glaDOS in their head saying “he’s saying what we’re all thinking”
Doug is so cute lol I agree with you the first Spider-Man’s in early 2000s where awesome! Great video !
Okay, one thing. Great analysis! The time you took to explore the symbolism was actually pretty good! For me, tobey's spiderman was perfectly dealing the character of spiderman and the idea of him being "your friendly neighborhood." While the ASM just made him a thug, tho would've been cool if they gave him more interactions with the people around which he somehow had in ASM2. I guess it was just all about the "personal" life of spidey which contrasts the symbolism but over-all i found the world building cool in ASM.
I didnt see my mom anywhere in this video
Maybe because the theme is fatherhood?
I really feel like you just want the amazing spiderman to be like the first one.
Great analysis!! 👍
Algorithm be praised! To me ASM was a nice popcorn movie that I forgot about after we saw it, it's details like this that explain why. Raimi Spiderman still holds up today and felt like a Spidey comic come to life....Although I'm still not over Spidery be bopping and skatting all over the place in the 3rd one.