Why THOR Worked and WONDER WOMAN Didn't | Marvel vs DC SCENE FIGHTS!
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Thor and Wonder Woman are very similar movies. They're both about superhero royalty from an isolated kingdom arriving on Earth to lear about mankind, and themselves. And while both movies are very good, only one of them has a satisfying ending. In this video we examine why Thor's ending was a masterpiece in setting the stage for the franchise to come, while Wonder Woman was a studio executive's checklist that made the franchise limp into Justice League
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Dude, seriously, I love your content.
This is the type of "your mom" joke that works. None of the other do.
Thanks for your videos. High fives to Doug.
WTF? EVERYONE I know says WW is the best DCEU Movie. And it is, because Snyder Cut is not Canon!
Ryan..your researches are always perfect
I can't take anything WW says seriously nowadays. Literally talks about the evils of man like sexism, war and being weak. Yet HER race, a race of WARRIORS, that would execute (in some continuities) men by them accidentally washing ashore and fled to a magical island to hide. Basically nothing but hypocrites.
I'm curious...how do you avoid copyrights?
As a wise man was say... "The real Villain of DC is Warner bros"
Yeah. Damn right. Wb always screw everything
As a wise man once said ????
@@mjgarak115 yah, the fans... they all looked wise... in their comments
@@mfz5166 bro???
Thats fact
The scene when Loki confronts Odin to know the truth is the best scene in my opinion. Hiddleston's acting is fantastic.
I am so glad now we r getting Loki!!!
Always loved Odin faking a heart attack/falling asleep to get out of the conversation.
Can’t wait to see new Loki show after having to suffer through that dumpster fire of pigeon and the winter guard.
@@tsnorquist okay that show was amazing. I had to laugh when I realized what you were saying 😭
@@ShinigamiCustoms lmfaoooo so fucking true.
Loki’s ready to commit genocide against his own race just to earn the approval of Anthony Hopkins 😂😂
Aughhhtony Hopkins
I mean, who wouldn't?
Arn't we all?
i would, eat ppl even
@@xornchaoroy4613 wait, what
Thor 1 is definitely underrated. The father, step-brother, brother relationship has many elements from my life i found very relatable.
I pity you bro
LOL, I couldn't imagine myself having the ego to relate myself to superhero movies.
@@blurgle9185 lol exactly man 😂😂😂😂
No Mjolnir?
@@blurgle9185 Both of you are completely stupid and did not understand his comment
It should have been a video about why Thor Ragnarok worked and wonder woman 2 didn't...
Maybe...
Yes definitely
Like how one cud do better with the humour than the other
if you want he already made a vid on ragnarok
Certainly. I liked Thor, but Wonder Woman was a lot better.
Thor Ragnarok was a fucking nightmare, dude. I almost walked out of the theatre, but I was hoping it would eventually get better, so I never did. Aaaaannd then it never got better. Taika Waititi is a massive narcissist and always needs to be the center of attention, even in his minor background characters. Have you ever seen him in an interview? The dude is so full of himself that he never shuts up. Which sucks, because I actually liked a few of his more independent films.
@@MontgomeryWenis rlly? I thought ragnarok was the best thor movie, but to each their own
Ares, the Greek god of war, secretly being the English general was fine, but why did he stay an old English guy when they fought? Why didn't he turn into a younger Greek guy?
because they hadn't no budget to buff him up.
they did it in the snyder cut.
Because he was clad head to toe in armor and you could only see a bit of his face
Because he's a deity and has a great power no matter what form he chooses?
Ares was not the general.. Ares was the man with the crippled leg
I would say Wonder Woman thematically feels more like CA: First Avenger. But I also think most people liked Wonder Woman would say it "did work".
The thing that makes Thor a better movie is Loki. Loki is a GREAT villain and has the screen presence required to upstage every Avenger whereas Ares is never a real threat. Loki may be not super powerful but there are always emotional stakes. Regardless of how many times he deceives Thor, he still genuinely cares for him.
I agree, exept that Loki is really fucking powerful, but Marvel decided to downplay his magic. Like my baby lifted a freaking building in Loki without breaking a sweat. Sorry l'm responding a year later😂
I was honestly betting on that it was the Worthy Scene where he wasn’t able to acquire Mjolnir. The fact that he was stripped of his power and the weapon we all apply to Thor rejected him because he wasn’t ready was not only a plot twist, but was a huge character development scene
The major difference of the films is the direction of Kenneth Branagh of "Thor." He brought his experiences directing and producing Shakespeare to the production making "Thor" a mythical prototype. He also brought in Tom Huddleson who he was directing in an Ibsen play in England
And canted angles...
Kenneth Branagh was the perfect director for Thor considering the Shakespearean style of the screenplay/plot. Definitely an underrated MCU movie!
"He also wants a life with Natalie Portman".......we can all relate.
I want a life with Phil Coulson, but yeah, I get you.
ScarJo or Olsen are better tyvm mhmm mhmm
@@Binidj oooo forgot about best boy Phil.
ew no. i want a life with Chris.
No, Kat Dennings - please and thank you.
The other reason was that we hadn't seen Diana being defeated, having troubles at fight. She was unstopable so there was no reason to even think that she could lose. It made her fights less suspenseful.
The dreaded Mary Sue trope.
I love how thoughtful these comparisons are. Also "And then Anthony Hopkins and Tom Hiddleston go to work for a living" too true.
The real difference is the villain. Loki is an excellent villain with perfect casting.
pls keep doing more of this kind!! "I liked it, ANOTHER!" - THOR
it was bird poop
5:04 I just wanna remind you that loki never wanted the throne at the time, he only wanted a spot from his family
That point about the studio messing with the vfx quality. I remember feige speaking about how it took them 4months to make that grand entrance scene for the big battle in marvel end game. A visual masterpiece showing so much detail, man knows his business!!
it was the moment. Despite the time, they still messed up on continuity in the scenes.
@@goodsaint_001 this!!! All of that disagreement on how to tell a story. Sigh, we missed out on a lot
17:40 - "Irregardless" ugh I died a little inside
'The real Wonder Woman is the friends we made along the way' is quote of the year so far for me 😂😂😂
I agree and disagree with the "confined fight space" sometimes it's amazing to have the fight scenes in a confined place a great example is many of the Kill Bill fights the limited spaces really pulls you in but the same is true for an open space. One of the things Man of Steel does well is show what it would looked like if 2 Gods fought each other and all the destruction it would cause and then cutting to Bruce to show the devastation on the ground. An open fight is also what we get in the airport battle in Civil War, the fight is all over the place and that's what makes it so interesting
I didn't like that much Thor when i saw it for the 1st time, but every time i've seen that movie afterwards, i've been liking it a little more, and now-a-days is one of my favorites
I love Wonder Woman, but in general, I criticize how they downplay or diminish her powers in all 4 movies in which she has appeared. Speaking for myself, if I watch a superhero movie, I want to see the characters use their powers.
Fully agree, in the old comics she was said to be as powerful as Superman and never need a sword or a shield!
@@martinshelton9533 Superman would usually win an arm-wrestling contest between them, but Wonder Woman would usually beat him in hand-to-hand combat, with or without weapons. Superman has more brute strength, but Wonder Woman is the more skilled fighter.
They make her more powered than she is supposed to be.
@@martinshelton9533 No comic ever said that.
@@captainjefferies9047 What I was getting at, in the late 1960s early 70s she never needed or used a sheild or a sword
Wow, this is AMAZING. I never realized the parallels in Thor and Wonder Woman until you pointed them out! Also, yeah that Wonder Woman end battle was just so hokey visually too. Very cool observation that you pointed out about sizes of fight arenas that if you make the arena too large, there's no grounding and the audience can't tell what's at stake.
"He also desires a life with Natalie Portman." Me too, Thor, me too
Wait a minute
too bad shes taken ;)
I’ve got a soft spot for the first Thor film. I actually did a PowerPoint project on it for a college class, talking about the influence of Norse Mythology on it, and ended up with a 100%
i definitely see your point, and I agree with the video, although I like how Wonderwoman looks overall with the photography. Thor's sideways frames always bother me
Dutch angles are extreme in that film
The Dutch angles and the bleached eyebrows.
If you tilt your head every few minutes you won’t notice it haha
@@NikaHollywood I knew there was something wrong with his face but I couldn't figure out what it was
Always love to hear people appreciating the first Thor movie, especially with well thought out breakdowns.
I feel that this contradicts your video in which you explain why Wonder Woman does work and Captain Marvel doesn't
I think the titles "why ___ works and ___ doesn't" are just to get clicks. Think of it as this way: Thor 1 > Wonder Woman > Captain Marvel
@@jds3068 that’s your opinion (which I agree with) but I’m just theorizing the titles :)
Umm... that was actually a video on Captain Marvel vs. Captain America the First Avenger
Captain Marvel story line is only worst bro
@@adityavibhas2624 That's the level of writing I would expect from someone who thinks Wonder Woman is better than Captain Marvel.
Wonder Woman tried harder and stumbled in the climax. Thor aimed lower and stuck the landing in the climax. Wonder Woman is widely regarded as the better movie by critics and audiences, but Thor is probably the most consistent of the two.
dont forget about box office
I think part of it is that Wonder Woman followed a couple mediocre/bad films, so it looked better than it actually was just by comparison. Thor, meanwhile, had to follow up on Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2, which were all received rather warmly, so it looked slightly worse by comparison.
I remember watching Wonder Woman the first time in theater and thinking in the end just how much of an absolute WASTE killing of Ares this early was. I still think so.
The fact that Ares is shown to have been manipulating peoples minds into war and destruction for HUNDREDS of years should have been a plot twist for a much MUCH later point in the franchise when this truth can be interwoven into previous events/villains or even a gigantic plot twist in the "phase 2 or 3" of the DCEU they still tried to make happen at that point.
The concept behind Ares characters as a villainous GOD has so much potential to turn the entire narrative of a whole cinematic universe into a new direction, but they just wasted him in the very first wonder woman movie that played almost one hundred years before the normal events of the DCEU, literally working directly AGAINST the huge narrative potential this villain had for the long game.
I will never get over this and it bothers me every time I watch wonder woman
My only disagreement with this analysis is on the twist itself. One big problem for the movie to begin with was it set up WWI Germany to be equally evil as WWII Germany, which simply was not the case. The twist was needed to fix that, to show that *all* humans are both good and evil.
But how the twist was handled, the fight, etc., etc.: I agree.
I agree that the last 1/3 of WW was anti-climactic. It seemed tacked on. The villain didn't scare me at all. The rapport btwn Gal and Chris is best part of film.
I'm surprised no one talks about how goofy Aries looked with his old man head in his 'dark souls' like armor. It would have been much less goofy to do a full cg character and black out the facial features, giving him like glowing eyes or something.
I'd like to see the same kind of commentary about the last fight scene on WW84.
It was so dark that I couldn't tell if it was actually Cheetah, a cast member from Cats or some weird human-like reflection over the screen.
8:31 well the hammer only became unliftable when odin enchanted it, so this is probably the first time he does it
Not true - it was already unliftable. Odin's enchantment only mentions the power of Thor, not whether someone can pick the hammer up. This is confirmed when Thor's in the cafe and hears the guys talking about the 'satellite' (his hammer) - the only way he knows it's the hammer is because they say nobody can lift it, nothing else they say indicates it's a hammer. But Thor wasn't there when Odin made the enchantment, so at this point he has no idea about the enchantment or what it contains.
@@simonfrancisphotography8856 he already knew that no human would lift the hammer, their body would crumble as their mind slip into madness.
humans just aren't strong enough to wield Asgardian weapons
@@simonfrancisphotography8856 Even if mjolnir was unliftable it doesn't mean it was because of some spell of only worthy wielding it but without Thors power. it's more like no regular human could wield Asgardian weapon at all
Thor is heavily underrated. Although the film drags, has underdeveloped human characters, budget constraints, average visual effects even for a 2011 film and camera angles ( not the cinematography), the film was rich in its theme of humility, family and brotherhood. The shakespearan take for the characters was really good.
I liked both movies. But apart from the CGI mess of WW 3rd act, I liked WW more. Still, I think the 1st Thor movie is underrated. And I would still like to see the impossible…a Thor/WW team up 😁 as they’re both my favorite characters from their respective cinematic universes.
Ares dead== End of World war1
But
Then why did Ww2 happen?
Was Hitler ares?
Wtf did pant think while making the 2nd film?
@@akshatsharma9740 yeah, all a bit of a mess. I suppose WW couldn’t of been set in WW2 like her comic book origin because Captain America already did that on the big screen. As for WW2 (as in Wonder Woman, not World War!) still haven’t seen it as it’s not available anywhere in my country (bizarre 🤷♂️) so can’t judge. But I’ve heard it’s a hot mess. Still, I want to see a WW3 because I just love the character and GG portrayal of her. I just hope Patty gets her act together when/if she completes the trilogy by doing justice to the character. She apparently fucked up in this second installment 🤷♂️
Always providing quality content Ryan, you’ve been getting me through being in this autoimmune-disease-related housebound state during this pandemic so thank you kindly sir ☺️👍🏼 Also I really loved your video on why Thor Ragnarocks!
Absolutely. To be able to strip down a film's components in the way he does is a gift.
I love these breakdowns. Ryan, you do an amazing job!
When Hiddleston Was crying tears at the end of the scene fighting his brother Thor at the end of Thor one it was gut wrenching and that’s when I knew I fell in love with loki
I enjoyed the WW movie overall but thought the ending was weak but couldn't articulate why. Your analysis makes sense. The point about use of space especially. Thanks!
I even like Dark World shrug.
I don’t know why it gets so much hate. I really liked Dark World.
@@sithsaiyan4529 Reminds me of the Tokyo Drift hate somehow lol.
@@LeagueofThieves I love that movie too, it’s probably my favorite FF movie. I only really like the first three though.
@@sithsaiyan4529 same here bro, same here. I checked out when Dom saved Letty on that bridge highway.
Great video Doug!
Always love these comparison videos
Honestly I thought wonder woman was a better movie by far. While yes the ending of Thor was better than that of Wonder Woman, the trenches scene was just fantastic. A lot of people who have dabbled in WW1(learning) know just how terrible trenches are. This paired with the city saving scene was beautiful. While both moves did have a lot of character development, I feel wonder woman did it better. While Thor learned about respect and life, Diana learned about the powerful things like war. She made huge sacrifices to attempt to fix a broken world, and the love of her life ended up making a similar sacrifice. In the end she learned that there is no “man is good” or “man is evil”, it’s that both traits exist in all people, and there is not always something you can do about it.
except the studio mandated ending undoes that very lesson.
I agree, I love Marvel but to say WW didn't work is unfair. I personally liked the movie, in fact I think it is better than Thor. However, at the same time WW 1984 completely sucked. So I think credit should be given where its due.
@@SpaalKodaav except the ending really should have been Diana finding this out and refusing to help mankind so that we would get the answer he gave in Batman vs Superman, and it would have gone for and what her mother said" be careful in the worlds of men Diana, they do not deserve you." And don't get me started on wonderwoman1984 because if she said she wasn't helping mankind why the hell was she out in the open? Ugh.
Wonder Woman was amazing but the ending really could have been better. There wasn't enough attention on Steve's sacrificed, instead everybody(the audience) were just gearing up for the battle between Wonder Woman and Ares because that's where the focus is, as Ryan said there were no stakes . plus ares should have been written well not written but like his costume could have been better, and lighting was horrible plus why did he stay the old man? When it was revealed that the old man was a disguise I really thought that you would have revealed what he actually looks like and not just the outfit but himself.
Ugh, so lame
I enjoyed Wonder Woman for its fantasy fulfilment, but as a story, Thor was far superior. Yes, the trenches scene was great but her characterisation fell far flatter than Thor's, and the villain was your typical eyeroll two dimensional sort of guy. Plus, ever notice that all the female scientists in DCU are villains, while the girl who likes babies and falls in love with your typical good American boy is the great heroine? Thor was seriously flawed personality wise, and Loki, while a villain, had depth and an explanation for why he is the way he is.
@@aanyamallick7747 that ending was a missed opportunity for a twist that setting it in WW1 just couldn't provide. It should have been set in WW2.
Have Diana stumble onto a concentration camp so that by the end she is ready to tear Aires a new one, only to flip it and reveal none of this was his doing. He's drawing power from it yes (if I remember how his powers work) but having the God of War himself horrified at the acts of man would have been a fascinating attack on her very core belief system.
And to cap it off, end it on her learning about the bombing of Hiroshima to really drive home the point that men are capable of unimaginable cruelty. And thats why she wound up withdrawn from the world for all those years.
maybe it's because I paused it for 5 minutes at the 6 minute mark, but this was the best weighted video you've ever done. You toned down the puns, and showed the manager more. Thank you.
One of the best touches of Wonder Woman was having Ares be the one who drafted the treaty that was so punitive it guaranteed WWII, great way to subtly sow war.
Shocking WB adding unnecessary crap and overriding a solid director...
Patty is hypocrite. Despite supporting Snyder, she messed up his continuity in WW84. and boy, don't start with WW84. According to her, she had no studio overseeing in the sequel. So, I blame her.
@@goodsaint_001 she didn't owe Snyder anyway. She made the film SHE wanted to make. Snyder was already out of the DCEU when WW1984 was being written. She had no reason to attempt to continue his story.
@@kenjisparks and the film was absolute shit
@@imyoursuperbeast8220 The film is not shit, just not good.
@@dartadeqso I would say the relationship between WW and Trevor was good carried over from the last movie. Very minor parts in the movie you see Maxwell being a little humanized with his son. Other than that, it's hot garbage. A big step back from the first movie
Brilliant. So well analyzed and such funny cutaways. The Downfall one was genius
Amazing explanation/comparison!
Considering WW84, unless WW ended with Ludendorf (?), I don't think Patty Jenkins ending would have been much better.
Edit: Sorry, auto correct changed don't to do.
What was the original ending? I know the CGI fight was not there but anything else.
@@Vor567tez I don't know, I am saying unless that German general being Ares and Diana losing faith in humanity because they were evil and warmongers even without his influence was original ending, based on WW84, I don't think Patty Jenkins would have made a much better ending.
@@AfshinR.Laroudi I see, thanks
@@AfshinR.Laroudi for her, it should have been ended with preaches in the first film as well.
I want Loki's dad to love me too :c
Now I want the Corridor Crew to enlighten the scene & Ares costume.
This was a fantastic analysis 👏🏾
Great video and thank you for the Garth Marenghi's Darkplace reference!
Good Stuff! I'm glad Doug is letting you off the leash.
One thing I appreciate about the WW ending, for lack of a better term, is how wacky it was.
As disclaimers - it was tacked on and ruined an obviously better ending. When I saw it in the theater, my son had to use the bathroom right after Diana killed the general. I walked him out explaining that Ares is a very notable villain in the comics, but the movie is going for a message about man's capacity for inhumanity. Walked back in to Ares floating around with fire everywhere and I was like...oh, ok that's the guy I told you about I guess. Also, I agree the cgi was undercooked and Ares being tacked on this way prevented his presence from having enough emotional impact.
So what I mean about appreciating? It's sort of a push and pull comic fans have with these movies, about what is wild enough without scaring away general audiences. And most of us know we went through a long phase of studios insisting the mainstream wouldn't accept things too outlandish. So, on some level, I did find it enjoyable that the British guy would pop up and yell "surprise!" before morphing into the God of War and setting everything ablaze. It felt fairly "comic book" zany, even if it stole something from the movie. Thor's final battle has more emotional weight and is the better film scene for sure. But, as a long time comic reader, Thor and Loki have felt underwhelming in the MCU as far as ability. Thor started inching closer with Ragnarok and up, but I still can't really picture Hemsworth hitting a Celestial hard enough to crack it, or having a fight with Gor so intense that neighboring planets break.
Oh gosh, never knew how similar the movies are
Warner had such an amazing opportunity to make good DC movies but they just seem to not care. They were so desperate to be on pair with Marvel/Disney that they rushed everything and that's why he have weak storylines, unrelatable characters, pointless villains, some of the worst cgi, dark battles that you can't enjoy, etc.
I mean, not everything has been bad. Some of the acting is good, a few of the stories are decent, a couple of scenes are really memorable, and overall you can enjoy most DC movies. And Marvel has had flaws too. But when the movie ends, you just know that it could have been way better and it's kind of sad to know that Warner will keep producing mediocre stuff because we will watch it anyway.
Also reminds me of soft-hearted Luke "Father, I will not fight you." Thor didn't want to hurt Loki either.
One thing I can't get over about Wonder Woman was the villianizing of WW1 Germany. WW1 Germany was no worse than any of the other nations involved!
What would have helped WW1 is already having the fight scene so ppl would have time for everything like mentioned in the video. While the "humans destroy themselves, no Ares" might seem like the perfect ending it's not, this is a action movie so a ending big battle is essential 1 reason ppl go se superheroe movies is for those big action scenes. Patty Jenkins was so happy that WW2 didn't have a big villain ending battle and she was saying how the studio wanted one and she convinced them not to and all but she counted her chick way too early bc of if the main complaints of the movie was that there was no ending battle, like I said superhero movies need one, so if they had accounted for the final battle from the start I think WW1 would have turned out much better
I miss scene fights! I've always hated Wonder Woman's ending. It could've been better without it.
Neo and Agent Smith's last fight was meant to be two powerful entities battling it out with no one winning. The unstoppable force verses the unmovable object, the point was how do we get back to the way things were and stop the war. No if they hurt each other in the fight. Thor and Loki' last fight was the top of the pyramid two arcs reaching the same point but both characters are where the other started kind of. With the added emotional weight of them being brothers. Now Wonder Woman's end was crap. They had the perfect ending and WB blew it big time. It linked in with Zack's shaky universe he was building. But then Wonder Woman 84 also destroys the good ending by fighting crime in the 80s in public. Then in BvS she is meant to be hiding since the end of WW1. With nobody seeing her. That clearly doesn't work. Wonder Woman was so close and yet so far. Still the best "DCEU" by far it just could have been so much better. Yet WB wonder why they are still far, far behind the MCU.
Exactly this. We now also know that Snyder and Jenkins fundamentally disagreed with how to handle the character of Diana and the Amazons but the people in power smashed the movies together anyway leading to the embarrassing situation where Diana sits out all the worst human atrocities like WWII and Vietnam War only to come back out to fight a cave troll in BvS, and then they retconn that background again in WW84 saying Diana had always fought the good fights, only to have Snyder throws yet another spanner into the works to say that his vision is always supposed to be a different alternate universe when he got to pander to his fanbase with his JL Snyder cut. Argh what a damn mess and disservice WB had done to the DC characters.
Tbf the point of the Neo and Agent Smith fight being that it's a forever endless stalemate is good on paper but bad in a fight scene in a movie.
Absolutely, agreed. But what bothers me about the comparison is that there is actually very little cg characters fighting each in that M3 fight. Most of the fight between Neo and Smith were the actors and stunt men. It would have been much easier to shoot with cg characters. Glad they took the time to film as much real stuff as is possible when you have 2 God like figures fighting.
Wonder Woman: *has higher positive critical and audience reaction, made twice as much BO despite DCEU reception and is generally considered to be better than most DC and more than half of MCU films including the first lukewarm Thor movie*
ScreenCrush: "I'm gonna ignore that"
Wow such a great comparison. Thank you sir.
Love Thor more but WW 1 was damn good introduction movie
this dude is a great writer -- love your videos bro
How are people randomly coming out saying Thor was any good now? Everyone called Thor 1 and 2 trash and all of a sudden they are classics now.
Thor 1 wasn’t bad, Thor 2 was complete dog shit
It's thor 2 that was trash not thor 1.
I mean, even if they are or where bad, doesn't mean they aren't classics. Bad movie does can still equal a classic movie
Same for wonder woman, part 2 is obviously trash well, part 1 did better.
@@Chuckyprime_ agreed
" I could have done it father, I could have done it!! for you!! For us" when Lokis said that I felt his pain 💔
Great video.
My favorite type of vids you make🙂✋
Garth Merengihi's Darkplace ! That was one epic reference
Weird. I always felt Wonder Woman was the stronger movie out of the two. I’m not even a fan of the recent slew of DC movies, but WW is strong as hell.
exactly
Totally agree! I actually thought most ppl would think so too, except for the usual guys that think everything Marvel rules & everything DC is trash.
I think third act of WW is atrocious and not just because of bad CGI fight. It just destroys movie's thematic throughline and rushes Diana's arc from 1 to 11. Thor may not be as strong as WW's best moments, but it's way more consistent. At least that's my opinion.
Not really, dude. It was supposed to be some big feminist flick, but Diana only got the power to defeat Ares after watching the guy she barely knew sacrifice himself. She didn't draw her extra power from within. It was magically unlocked when she experienced grief for the first time, at the expense of a man she met a couple weeks prior. That's just sloppy and banal storytelling.
@@brucesnow7125 wonder womana has a better movie in general
But Thor has a better ending
Yo screencrush, thx for the cameo
thank you Ryan! 👍
so many people have asked me how I liked the first Wonder Woman movie. I always say "apart from it being late by around 40+ years, I loved it right up until the final fight scene which was just crap" I even like the twist actually but not the fight. nice to know that the real problem was WB. I've always felt that WB was the problem in all the DC movies or else DC. I know that the characters are better than what we've seen on screen and that there are so many more characters that deserve to be on screen. thanks for bringing facts to what I know in my heart. 👍
I can’t believe you know Garth Marenghi's Darkplace… Darkplace. You win, legend! 👍🏼
Amazing insights
Although it’s bleak, i like the original WW ending. It would’ve been way more interesting if Diana learned that a lot of people are just evil, and Are’s wasn’t in the movie
Wow you nailed it
The lighting was my biggest complaint with wonder woman. I saw it at a drive in and could barely see anything going on
I would highly recommend 'They Shall Not Grow Old' a colorized documentary made by Peter Jackson about The First World War, it's really good. Kudos for mentioning Garth Marenghi's Darkplace! I really enjoy your videos and recommend them to anyone wanting to write stories about the hero's journey and book adaptations. As for the world's biggest monster, I'd look up King Leopold and his actions in The Congo, but your point is still valid, why didn't Wonder Woman intervene.
Love the video. Just a small thing Ares is originally pronounced "Ah-rehs" not "a-rees."
Amazing 👍🏻
8:06
Loki: Bro, I'm right here. Why are you yelling?
Thor: BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO!
Great analysis. I agree with all the points. I read that Warner is merging with Discovery and after the merger, it is reported that AT&T is wanting to sell the the new group. I am not sure the sell is set in stone but rumors are flying that Disney may pick up the new media group which means that they would own Marvel and DC. I really hope this is true because maybe we would get some decent DC movies. The DC universe would fit in the Marvel multiverse. We will have to wait and see if any of this is actually true but it is interesting.
@Oluwatoyin Ogunsuyi The movies and comics are two different things. The TV shows are even separate entities from either. You can't compare any of it. The stories aren't the same, the characters aren't the same. The sale would involve the DCEU not DC proper, although DC is up for sale too. Warner deserves to lose the DC universe because the movies are complete trash.
Amazon just bought MGM so I doubt they would want WarnerDiscovery. That leaves Netflix or Disney. Does Netflix want a studio? Very doubtful although possible. Netflix already has massive debt though so that is an issue. That leaves Disney, but Disney just bought 20th Fox so regulators may block any Disney purchase. More than likely it goes overseas.
I bet China is looking into right now. I don't have any evidence but China has been going big in the movies lately so it would not surprise me and they have the cash. Who ever gets it, they can't do any worse than Warner.
Neat ideas...nice comparison
The decoloration talked about in the 15 minutes mark can be applied for any Zack Snyder movie :D
First, the in the Scene at no man's land Diana isn't risking her life, she is finally showing her power in front of the world while Thor was offering his life in exchange for the lives of everyone else in the town.
Then main scenes, yes one is glorious and show that, even at full power Thor has to renounce to seeing Jane again to save the frost giants, the people he wanted to start a war with at the beginning of the film. Diana is learning that Area wasn't behind the war and that fear and hate are flaws inherent in all humans when suddenly, no it was Ares all along (and surely he killed a puppy too).
A best comparison would be between WW and Ironman 3, another movie where the main point of the movie is this away in favor of an über epic battle.
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Thank you, Screen Rant. I alwayd felt they did Wonder Woman dirty with that ending - plus the whole next movie. Now they've gotten rid of Gal Godot, who did a fine job with the material presented. Ugh.
Me loves the Doug he always steals the show of any video he's in. My personal opinion I think Wonder Woman is probably the best DCEU movie all though some may argue Zack Snyder's Justice League may be better. Now let's talk about Wonder Woman 2 that movie could've definitely been better.
Hey Ryan, I've seen you mention Shazam in several videos but I haven't found you actually breaking down the movie live you've done for others, maybe I missed it, and if I have then maybe you could link it cause I'd love your perspective on it, and if I haven't maybe you could consider doing it?
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I have 4 ideas.
thor the dark world vs wonder woman 1984. Which one do you think is the better film?
Cap winter soldier vs ww84.
Spiderman no way home vs one more day.
snyder cut vs josstice league.
I would love to see WW1944, guest-starring Sgt. Rock, Captain Storm, Johnny Cloud and The Haunted Tank. Battles on land, sea and air, plus a ghost general for the supernatural element.
I knew that Wonder Woman 1 had a bad ending. But when I looked at the title of this video I was ready to fight you since I still believe that Wonder Woman 1 overall is a better movie than Thor 1. I believe you are also of the same opinion. And you are SO SO RIGHT about the end fight scenes. Looking at all these details I now understand why some critics called that ending a train wreck. Looking forward to similar commentaries on movie decisions.
That's a perfect analysis. I was so disappointed when they put Ares. It was a great ending... they blow it.
Best contained one take shot ever is the Hallway Fight in Oldboy.