Fun Fact: the Battlemode map Celestial is the location where Khan Maykrs are recycled "Orbiting data structure of the sentient Maykr Godmind, the Transfigurations of fallen Maykrs are processed here and re-inserted into the Maykr soul-grid."
When you are playing on the mission Urdak, you will notice something very strange. As you progress through the level you will notice the lighting in the sky gets more and more violent and greenish. Once you defeat the Khan, the sky goes red and changes to red lightning. This same greenish colored glow and lightning can be seen inside the WorldSpear ship aswell, specifically when the Doom Slayer is going through to grab the crystal. The Father also says "He is worthy" and the Bridge rises from the water. How does the Father know who is in the ship and why would they listen to him? So whats the connection? Hugo Martin also said during one of his Livestreams that "The maykrs were designed by Davoth after the... I don't want to go too much into their details." He implied Davoth modeled the Mykers after something or someone. Perhaps that's why they have tentacles and weird non-human features.v
@@azazelsiad3601that makes no sense because after you kill the Khan, you hear a loud "NOOOOOO!", at the same time the sky goes red. Davoth wanted Urdak destroyed for their betrayal so he wouldn't cry out "NO!" when the Khan was killed since he wanted the Khan to die. It was something else...
Hugo also let it slip that the slayer and davoth are "twin entities" that were sent to this universe by another caste of gods. Chances are, whatever was in the worldspear was probably what those upper gods sent down to help the two. I love Hugo and his over excitement during those playthrough streams, he really gave us wayyyu too much info lol
@@rdowg this would be supported by the implications this isn't the slayers universe of origin, he didn't walk through the portal from this worlds earth, but from a totally different one.
In the end some the Maykr got what was coming to them after becoming so arrogant. Regardless, is incredible how fast Hell and the Dark Lord's influence start to corrupt everything within moments of making contact.
probably because he forged urdak in the first place? dark lord or not, the creator makes the rules. the realm itself was answering its masters call.....
The Maykrs could have prevented all of what happened to them if they had kept trying to find better more effecient if not more self sustaining methods to immortality, rather than simply leeching off of the father like parasites. Once their "food" was taken from them, they immediately fell into complete turmoil and collapse. It didn't help they had stroked their own ego's to the point of believing they were better than anything and everything else... it also didn't help how the father had more or less ignored this problem developing while trying to carry on the work of his creator, among other things. Something tells me that the Father had basically known that the Maykr species was dying, and could not be saved regardless of the tech used. So instead of trying to help them, he focused his gaze onto much bigger things. While losing the Maykrs would be a huge blow for him and others in the future, it could very well be exactly what he needs to set things right. It does make me wonder though what the Fathers grand plan is considering now his creator is gone, the Cahn Maykr is gone, his most loyal servent was corrupted and now gone for the most part (from what we know). So, where does he go from there, and what plans could he have now that the entity that symbolized absolute hate and evil was gone... but said creature was also the original creator of everything.
Well the Slayer is Devoth so now the slayer is going to be the God of existence and I think there’s now going to be different threat. Maybe other gods that come to challenge the Slayer but we know how that will go
8:42 Wait wait, are you saying that if you kill a god, you become one? That’s just a thought that came to me, but shouldn’t the DOOM Slayer still be fully overpowered, even though the Davoth part of him has disappeared?
No, you have to extract a god's essense and then absorb at least some of it , which is what the Father did and what formed the dark sphere without killing his enemy. The Doom Slayer, however, simply destroyed the Dark Lord's essense, without extracting or absorbing it. At least that's how I understood it
Hugo Martin in an interview said that Davoth and Doomguy are the same person, but of different realms. Hugo then says that Davoth failed in his mission to save his people, but DoomGuy WAS able to successfully defend his people and retained an almost Godlike status among the Human population as we saw in the end of TAG2. So the question then becomes, what was Davoth trying to defend his people from? Why did the Mykrr race think that giving Humans immortality would destroy all creation, and sealed away Jekked even though Davoth himself was allready immortal? Davoth was fighting against something before Jekked turned into Hell. Perhaps he was rebelling against the ONE TRUE GOD, and that God helped the Mykrr father defeat Davoth. The ones who created primeevals in order to create new worlds for the ONE TRUE REALM OF CREATION to harvest. Keep in mind Hugo also referred to the events taking place as being a "Ritual" thats being overlooked by Samuels race of Maykrrs.
What? Im pretty sure he specifically said they WERENT the same person from different universes. Shit, he even said that the slayer and davoth were "twin entities" sent from a higher caste of gods during one of those playthrough livestreams he did
Davoth goes bad because his first creation was mortal? He was a god who could create a species but he couldn't choose what he created? The realm of Urdak "sprang" from him? If you ask me, seems like things aren't controlled by Davoth but only manipulated by him. The Maykr's looked into the future and saw that he was a threat to everything. Time is kinda the lynchpin of mortality, no? If you could manipulate time or were a god, it would follow that mortality would pose little more than an inconvenience. A spoiled kid who's toy broke because he played too rough with it is how it comes across to me. At best Davoth was a superior being with the meta perspective. Just like how that Maykr present themselves as angelic beings when all they really have is more advanced tech. They occupy the level above humans. Davoth above is above them but the story makes me think there is yet a further level above him
You’re probably right but the question remains who or what they could possibly be? And would our human minds even begin to comprehend the form they might use?
@@RagnarraWell, I've looked at the lore of the Ancient Gods, and it seems similar to Gnosticism (an obscure religion that's no longer practiced), with the God of the physical reality (Yahweh/"God") being Davoth, while the true highest God of the spiritual reality and the true creator of all is the Monad, who is completely perfect. Now, I don't think that Monad will appear in DOOM directly by name, but we'll likely see an entity that plays a similar role. Hope this makes sense
True but remember; Davoth is probably the only connection to his subjects- allowing him the reasons to think and feel for them. He created them and so there would be enough difficulty to actually exist as a higher being. I once actually felt the same way as you about him (no offense) but recently I believe his ‘obsession’ with immortality is actually the challenge he sets for himself in the recognition of being higher than who he is, while being the enemy of arrogance, which makes him right in the end. Perhaps one day we will see the aftermath of Doom Eternal.
@@troymorris2179 When I said the time would be little more than an inconvenience to a good, I was envisioning the way time flows in each realm relative to each other. Time is slower in one realm so it would theoretically be possible to nest realms in such a way that the people who went in now lived for extremely long times. If he had created said realms then I would say that was a possibility but he didn't. Urdak "sprang up around him". That would imply that he was not actively involved with it's creation. As we are speaking of God's, I will concede that I can imagine that it's possible for him to create something without actually knowing or wanting to. The way I interpret the specific use of sprang is to show that he is powerful but not omnipotent. It would have been described as created like the other realms are if that was the truth of it but the descriptor sprang is a deliberate choice. If we assume that the first realm was created for him and not by him, that would imply a higher order than he controls. Diction is important and the writers are cognizant of the difference in meaning when they say he created this realm but Urdak materialized around him. I feel like he could partly be responsible for that but I find the wording too compelling against that. He may have made some good points here and there but the makers are psychotic. His people are demons. He seems to make things that wind up bad. The realms reflect him but not every realm is hell. If he is causing the problems by being mad, he should not be mad so they can get by. None of the alien characters seem to have a good side. Hayden isn't a good guy. The priest dudes are just vile. Makers are con artists on universal scales. His hands don't make good things. Everything was great until his toys started to break. He then started throwing a temper tantrum. Eventually he stopped whining and woke up in hell. Lol. That's the Davoth time line from where I'm sitting
@@kgreen242424 you are right and I’m not saying you aren’t, what I’m implying is that for Davoth to be ‘bad’ we would have to be certain from the facts and falsehoods or superstition about him. Now I know you and lore did say that Urdak formed around him- how was picturing it is that the word “formed” technically isolated Davoth as a “god” (higher than such a minuscule task) so that much of story can be used to manipulate the truth, quite similar to what we saw with the Maykrrs. So imo time is of the critical importance to Davoth as it naturally over time selects him for the point of worship and yet at the same time; the fall of that, which is what happens. So I’m speaking from a particular perspective where it’s before Davoth fell yet where all the pieces of present can help analyze him. :)
Why did The Father tell Samuel to take his spirit orb from the Luminarium, even though The Father knew that the Mykkrs needed him to be in Urdak to help keep the Maykrrs from going through transfiguration? Obviously he would have know that would cause problems. Also, how was The Father able to communicate with the World Spear when he said, "He's worthy", allowing a bridge to take us into the Crystal ship? Who was he talkin to? Why would the World spear even take The Fathers advise into consideration??
There were two points in this video that caused some confusion to me. Firstly, when they were tasked to find a cure for mortality you mentioned they did so but later on you talk about the whole transfiguration process that the Maykr go through so they didn't actually find a cure or was it just not a cure for their own mortality? You also spoke about the Khan Maykr and it seemed like they had one prior to the father ascending so why is it that the last Khan Maykr remained in power past the 10,000 years? Surely they must have had a way to do this process without the father if he wasn't present when it was first done. Great video, this isn't a criticism just curious.
Honestly, that ending was by far the best one they could have thought of. A solid “END” if they choose to leave it like that and never make a sequel again. And if they do intend to make a sequel, I can see how they could bring him back.
Hell yeah (no pun intended) Skyrionn I'm loving these Doom lore videos. The writing for the most recent games was excellent, and there's still a lot of uncovered subtleties to be explored
i never got to beat the most recent doom butt like watching these lore videos on the Doom universe. So did the Seraph seal Doom Slayer into a, essentially, a stasis chamber? To come back when hes needed most again?
I believe that you will become well known, for your intelligent and historical videos alike, for this epic game, as documentaries, in a sort of way! 👏👏👏
I do hope there's a way to save the Maykrs. The punishment for their later hubris has been dealt. Samur is out of the picture, Davoth is dust, VEGA/Father is more or less impotent, and the Khan Maykr has been beaten into a bloody pulp. They have been humbled, thoroughly.
The Earth of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal wasn't the same Earth Doomguy came from. It is one of the many Earths in existence in Doom universe. I recall one piece of Khan Maykr promising to send Doomguy back to the Earth he came from, to which he couldn't return to.
Uhm. We don't go to earth in 2016. And if we did. It would he the same earth. The earth from DOOM 1, 2, Sigil, Sigil 2, No Rest For The Living, Final DOOM, and 64 are in the same earth, but DOOM 3, Resurrection Of Evil, 2016, Eternal, TAG1, TAG2 are a different earth.
This was great. I stopped playing after Doom 2016. I like it, but just haven't gotten into the new titles, so it was nice to have the story laid out. I'm curious what they'll do when they reboot Quake.
People say DOOM is a Christian game, and while I, as a Christian myself, definitely enjoy killing demons in the game, it's really more close to Gnosticism. While Gnosticism is considered heresy, I still think it's interesting to think about and I can't wait to see where DOOM takes this idea in the future
I honestly felt kinda conflicted for a bit , but once I found out that this wasn't "Doomguy is killing God" and this was way more different from the Bible it got rid of the confusion. The game isn't focused on directly explaining things to you, but I also don't like breaking up the fast paced adrenaline rush gameplay to read a codex entry.
@@alexwoods8927 Well, according to Id, DOOM: The Dark Ages will have the narrative more mixed in with the gameplay, so it won't just be a bunch of codex entries. So that'll hopefully be more interesting
One question i have even thought i have seen the video about davoth, my question is who created him like did he just appear or did some one else make him. Also literally if samer maker never listend to the father the worlds would be more screwed then they where already
Ngl, I love Doom, I think it does what it sets out to do by being a power fantasy very well. I absolutely hate how they decided to represent things like Angels, Heaven, their backstory for the Demons and Hell, and the very clunky story with the Doom Slayer’s time in Argent D’Nur. I don’t get why they didn’t just go with actual biblical lore instead of twisting it into this weird H.R. Giger multidimensional war. WHY DO THE ANGELS LOOK LIKE DEMONS UNDER THE ARMOR
@@SkibidiToiletiscringe- No, actually. Angels do not look like demons, they look like angels. Not everything “otherworldly” or “scary” is demonic. Usually the representation of more violently predatory features are what constitute as demonic. A spinning wheel of eyes is otherworldly but not predatory or demonic in nature.
I think DOOM's lore is more closer to Gnosticism rather than Christianity. Let me explain: Davoth/The Father = The Demiurge The Makyrs = Angels, the servants of the Demiurge Whoever created Davoth/possibly the voice that yells "NOOOO" when the Khan Makyr dies = Monad, the true creator God Wraiths = Servants of Monad It's implied that there are things above Davoth, and Davoth, creator of Jekkad, Urdak, and the Earth realms though he be, still has his limits (being unable to create immortal life). This is very similar to how the Gnostics viewed Yahweh/the Demiurge, simply as the God of the physical reality, despite claiming to be the God of everything. Though DOOM's lore may go in a more lovecraftian direction aesthetic-wise, I think it could still be seen as similar to Gnosticism. I don't think Monad will appear in DOOM by name, much like how the Demiurge figure is called Davoth/The Father (Depending on who is currently in power), we'll likely get a completely unique entity who simply plays the same role as Monad, as the creator of all things and truly all-powerful God. Can't wait to see where the lore goes in the future!
@@user-bl7em8sx6o Yeah, but that's just surface-level details, when you look at the role the makyrs play in the lore, it more closely resembles gnosticism
Doom was never my kind of game, but I was curious about the lore and it seems quite interesting. Mostly because I like the Maykr design, being a sucker for non-biological humanoids. The combination of an angel with a robot makes for a really striking visual image.
Is it just me or was the a soft reboot between Doom(2016) and Doom Eternal. Their a lot of details that don't sync up. Reminds me of the soft reboot between Dead Space 1 and 2.
Whenever a world springs forth from a god figure without them realizing I just imagine they farted while walking and you never look behind you when you fart so they just keep walking unaware they farted a galaxy out there cosmic azz
I was loving the game until the maykers. I really dont like the “heaven and the angels are evil also God is awal/evil” trope. I just think its boring. (And it hurts my fee fees angels are the good guys)
The lore is pretty good, but it gets pretty contrived and stupid when it gets to the point of the father being turned into Vega, and Samer into Samuel Hayden.. really REALLY contrived. First of which, why Earth of everywhere he could go? What makes Earth such a safe place? It's only been invaded by Hell like 4 times previously. Why an AI? Why a human? It's just really stupid and obvious stretching to make Doom Eternal and Doom 2016 linked.
There are really two ways to look at NuDoom's plot: 1) It's a heavy metal concept album like something Rhapsody (of Fire) would make. Sure there's words but it's usually incoherent screaming. And somehow the whole thing just works because at the end of the day, you're having an experience, not receiving the first tablets of law or whatever. 2) It's a bog-standard Bethesda game where they didn't bother with competent high level writing to make sure the themes all gelled and the world bible wasn't a huge contradictory mess. So...yes, the writing is confusing and dumb. But you know what? Boomer shooters use plot in the same way arcade fighters do--it's just connective tissue to get you from the spectacle that just happened to the spectacle that's just beginning. For a doom reboot that level of writing feels about right. It's not meant to be Shakespeare.
who the hell wrote all this, this epic fantasy setting only lacks some space gnomes and stuff. Doom Eternal's lore is a dog's fever dream. I prefer when it was og hard-fi in Doom 16. The more I check lore of Doom Eternal the more I think it's stupid as all hell.
Yeah but that wouldn't work with how far games have come. Ppl would need an explanation for why the different levels and worlds look the way they do. I wouldn't just want to kill the same demons in a 10 hour campaign with 0 story
As much as I enjoy a fleshed-out backstory, does anyone miss the old Doom story of just "rip and tear the demons because demons are assholes who put bunnies heads on pikes"?
That's still the backstory though to my understanding, the events of the original doom games should still be canon. Notice he has the original doom armor on in the inscriptions of his time first reaching Argent D'Nur
What is the best Doom game?
Doom II
Probably doom 2016 tbh,
It had the best demon designs and it's the first game that introduced glory kills
Doom 1 is the og and my close second tho
Yes
There is not just one. The whole series is legendary!
All of them... almost all of them
I know people didn't ask for Doom lore, but you gotta admit the writers went nuts with it and it's kinda fire in places.
DOOM lore = here's gun, there's demons
@@hoodenmcburgwhich is exactly why lore to fit has to be as badass and over the top as possible, which it is
I asked for more lore. It honestly shocked me how good it turned out to be, and I don't want the story to be over
This is all I’ve ever wanted
Yeah, I feel like they did a retcon of the lore during AG Part 2. Which they focused on the Wraiths instead.
Fun Fact: the Battlemode map Celestial is the location where Khan Maykrs are recycled
"Orbiting data structure of the sentient Maykr Godmind, the Transfigurations of fallen Maykrs are processed here and re-inserted into the Maykr soul-grid."
When you are playing on the mission Urdak, you will notice something very strange. As you progress through the level you will notice the lighting in the sky gets more and more violent and greenish. Once you defeat the Khan, the sky goes red and changes to red lightning. This same greenish colored glow and lightning can be seen inside the WorldSpear ship aswell, specifically when the Doom Slayer is going through to grab the crystal. The Father also says "He is worthy" and the Bridge rises from the water. How does the Father know who is in the ship and why would they listen to him? So whats the connection?
Hugo Martin also said during one of his Livestreams that "The maykrs were designed by Davoth after the... I don't want to go too much into their details." He implied Davoth modeled the Mykers after something or someone. Perhaps that's why they have tentacles and weird non-human features.v
The Dark Lord.
@@azazelsiad3601that makes no sense because after you kill the Khan, you hear a loud "NOOOOOO!", at the same time the sky goes red. Davoth wanted Urdak destroyed for their betrayal so he wouldn't cry out "NO!" when the Khan was killed since he wanted the Khan to die. It was something else...
Hugo also let it slip that the slayer and davoth are "twin entities" that were sent to this universe by another caste of gods.
Chances are, whatever was in the worldspear was probably what those upper gods sent down to help the two.
I love Hugo and his over excitement during those playthrough streams, he really gave us wayyyu too much info lol
@@rdowgwell that’s going to be confusing
@@rdowg this would be supported by the implications this isn't the slayers universe of origin, he didn't walk through the portal from this worlds earth, but from a totally different one.
In the end some the Maykr got what was coming to them after becoming so arrogant. Regardless, is incredible how fast Hell and the Dark Lord's influence start to corrupt everything within moments of making contact.
probably because he forged urdak in the first place?
dark lord or not, the creator makes the rules.
the realm itself was answering its masters call.....
I always get aesthetic pleasure from Skyrionn Doom lore videos - the style of camerawork and editing are just fantastic. Great work man!
so true
Super kind of you to say. They do take days to put together ♥
@@Skyrionn Also, I would be grateful if you could answer me - which program do you use to create such a cinematic floating camera effect?
I just use the game. There's no program!
@@Skyrionn Thanks, I get it!
As a fan of Scorn and it’s hellish “good place,” I feel like these guys would fit in pretty well! Even if it’s just for aesthetics!
100%
The Maykrs could have prevented all of what happened to them if they had kept trying to find better more effecient if not more self sustaining methods to immortality, rather than simply leeching off of the father like parasites. Once their "food" was taken from them, they immediately fell into complete turmoil and collapse. It didn't help they had stroked their own ego's to the point of believing they were better than anything and everything else... it also didn't help how the father had more or less ignored this problem developing while trying to carry on the work of his creator, among other things.
Something tells me that the Father had basically known that the Maykr species was dying, and could not be saved regardless of the tech used. So instead of trying to help them, he focused his gaze onto much bigger things.
While losing the Maykrs would be a huge blow for him and others in the future, it could very well be exactly what he needs to set things right.
It does make me wonder though what the Fathers grand plan is considering now his creator is gone, the Cahn Maykr is gone, his most loyal servent was corrupted and now gone for the most part (from what we know). So, where does he go from there, and what plans could he have now that the entity that symbolized absolute hate and evil was gone... but said creature was also the original creator of everything.
The father is dead, doom guy smashed his Essence sphere, the makers are evil, davoth was their creator and doom guy smashed Davoth
Well the Slayer is Devoth so now the slayer is going to be the God of existence and I think there’s now going to be different threat. Maybe other gods that come to challenge the Slayer but we know how that will go
In mid-2000s Guild Wars,
The Unseen Gods, the Mursaat, have both the visual style and narrative role
of the Makyr.
8:42 Wait wait, are you saying that if you kill a god, you become one? That’s just a thought that came to me, but shouldn’t the DOOM Slayer still be fully overpowered, even though the Davoth part of him has disappeared?
No, you have to extract a god's essense and then absorb at least some of it , which is what the Father did and what formed the dark sphere without killing his enemy. The Doom Slayer, however, simply destroyed the Dark Lord's essense, without extracting or absorbing it. At least that's how I understood it
With the khan maykr dead, the seraphim are now the highest ranking maykrs.
I guess they are. We need a new DOOM game to explore that
@@Skyrionn doom year zero.
Your narration and voice are just so pleasant to listen to. I often listen to your videos on my way to sleep. They're always so high quality too.
Same I end up watching them multiple times
Hugo Martin in an interview said that Davoth and Doomguy are the same person, but of different realms. Hugo then says that Davoth failed in his mission to save his people, but DoomGuy WAS able to successfully defend his people and retained an almost Godlike status among the Human population as we saw in the end of TAG2. So the question then becomes, what was Davoth trying to defend his people from? Why did the Mykrr race think that giving Humans immortality would destroy all creation, and sealed away Jekked even though Davoth himself was allready immortal? Davoth was fighting against something before Jekked turned into Hell. Perhaps he was rebelling against the ONE TRUE GOD, and that God helped the Mykrr father defeat Davoth. The ones who created primeevals in order to create new worlds for the ONE TRUE REALM OF CREATION to harvest. Keep in mind Hugo also referred to the events taking place as being a "Ritual" thats being overlooked by Samuels race of Maykrrs.
He’s having a Morgoth moment
What? Im pretty sure he specifically said they WERENT the same person from different universes.
Shit, he even said that the slayer and davoth were "twin entities" sent from a higher caste of gods during one of those playthrough livestreams he did
Ive seen both being said by him so idk@@rdowg
@@rdowgyou just said the same thing lol
Davoth goes bad because his first creation was mortal? He was a god who could create a species but he couldn't choose what he created? The realm of Urdak "sprang" from him? If you ask me, seems like things aren't controlled by Davoth but only manipulated by him. The Maykr's looked into the future and saw that he was a threat to everything. Time is kinda the lynchpin of mortality, no? If you could manipulate time or were a god, it would follow that mortality would pose little more than an inconvenience. A spoiled kid who's toy broke because he played too rough with it is how it comes across to me. At best Davoth was a superior being with the meta perspective. Just like how that Maykr present themselves as angelic beings when all they really have is more advanced tech. They occupy the level above humans. Davoth above is above them but the story makes me think there is yet a further level above him
You’re probably right but the question remains who or what they could possibly be? And would our human minds even begin to comprehend the form they might use?
@@RagnarraWell, I've looked at the lore of the Ancient Gods, and it seems similar to Gnosticism (an obscure religion that's no longer practiced), with the God of the physical reality (Yahweh/"God") being Davoth, while the true highest God of the spiritual reality and the true creator of all is the Monad, who is completely perfect.
Now, I don't think that Monad will appear in DOOM directly by name, but we'll likely see an entity that plays a similar role.
Hope this makes sense
True but remember; Davoth is probably the only connection to his subjects- allowing him the reasons to think and feel for them. He created them and so there would be enough difficulty to actually exist as a higher being. I once actually felt the same way as you about him (no offense) but recently I believe his ‘obsession’ with immortality is actually the challenge he sets for himself in the recognition of being higher than who he is, while being the enemy of arrogance, which makes him right in the end. Perhaps one day we will see the aftermath of Doom Eternal.
@@troymorris2179 When I said the time would be little more than an inconvenience to a good, I was envisioning the way time flows in each realm relative to each other. Time is slower in one realm so it would theoretically be possible to nest realms in such a way that the people who went in now lived for extremely long times. If he had created said realms then I would say that was a possibility but he didn't. Urdak "sprang up around him". That would imply that he was not actively involved with it's creation. As we are speaking of God's, I will concede that I can imagine that it's possible for him to create something without actually knowing or wanting to. The way I interpret the specific use of sprang is to show that he is powerful but not omnipotent. It would have been described as created like the other realms are if that was the truth of it but the descriptor sprang is a deliberate choice. If we assume that the first realm was created for him and not by him, that would imply a higher order than he controls. Diction is important and the writers are cognizant of the difference in meaning when they say he created this realm but Urdak materialized around him. I feel like he could partly be responsible for that but I find the wording too compelling against that. He may have made some good points here and there but the makers are psychotic. His people are demons. He seems to make things that wind up bad. The realms reflect him but not every realm is hell. If he is causing the problems by being mad, he should not be mad so they can get by. None of the alien characters seem to have a good side. Hayden isn't a good guy. The priest dudes are just vile. Makers are con artists on universal scales. His hands don't make good things. Everything was great until his toys started to break. He then started throwing a temper tantrum. Eventually he stopped whining and woke up in hell. Lol. That's the Davoth time line from where I'm sitting
@@kgreen242424 you are right and I’m not saying you aren’t, what I’m implying is that for Davoth to be ‘bad’ we would have to be certain from the facts and falsehoods or superstition about him. Now I know you and lore did say that Urdak formed around him- how was picturing it is that the word “formed” technically isolated Davoth as a “god” (higher than such a minuscule task) so that much of story can be used to manipulate the truth, quite similar to what we saw with the Maykrrs. So imo time is of the critical importance to Davoth as it naturally over time selects him for the point of worship and yet at the same time; the fall of that, which is what happens. So I’m speaking from a particular perspective where it’s before Davoth fell yet where all the pieces of present can help analyze him. :)
Amazing video, i enjoyed it throughly, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
as with all new skyrionn videos i will rip and tear through it, enjoying ever second while doom music plays
Why did The Father tell Samuel to take his spirit orb from the Luminarium, even though The Father knew that the Mykkrs needed him to be in Urdak to help keep the Maykrrs from going through transfiguration? Obviously he would have know that would cause problems. Also, how was The Father able to communicate with the World Spear when he said, "He's worthy", allowing a bridge to take us into the Crystal ship? Who was he talkin to? Why would the World spear even take The Fathers advise into consideration??
The quality of these are way too good to have less than a million views
You're too kind! Just hoping the algorithm picks this one up!
This video is so good. Thanks again for all you do
Great video, I remember when you where doing fable lore videos way back, glad to see you made it
Fable feels like a completely different lifetime! I still love the series, it just didn't work for UA-cam sadly
@@SkyrionnI'd like to see you try them again. Fable is an awesome series!
@@Skyrionn maybe fable will be more on the spotlight once the new game comes out
There were two points in this video that caused some confusion to me. Firstly, when they were tasked to find a cure for mortality you mentioned they did so but later on you talk about the whole transfiguration process that the Maykr go through so they didn't actually find a cure or was it just not a cure for their own mortality? You also spoke about the Khan Maykr and it seemed like they had one prior to the father ascending so why is it that the last Khan Maykr remained in power past the 10,000 years? Surely they must have had a way to do this process without the father if he wasn't present when it was first done. Great video, this isn't a criticism just curious.
Honestly, that ending was by far the best one they could have thought of. A solid “END” if they choose to leave it like that and never make a sequel again. And if they do intend to make a sequel, I can see how they could bring him back.
Why not just send him back to his fortress? The whole finding secrets for your ship thing became kinda pointless
Lovely content mate - quality 👌🏼
Much appreciated
Amazing video, i enjoyed it entirely, thank you, i subscribed.
Thanks for being here!
Hell yeah (no pun intended) Skyrionn I'm loving these Doom lore videos. The writing for the most recent games was excellent, and there's still a lot of uncovered subtleties to be explored
Let's goooo! Are you going to do one on the Argenta?
One day ☺
Amazing work and through explanation!
Excellent stuff. Always a pleasure to find a great lore channel, and the top notch narration is definitely a plus.
Next up: demons of full doom lore explained
Can't believe Makyr fell off due to daddy issues, us frfr
This is the best comment.
Just like me fr
I've seen the images of actual angels from bible and looking at back at the Maykrs they look very accurate
Gonna have to look those up myself
There are no images of angels from the Bible lol.
They're not accurate at all.
Wooooooo new Doom video!!
i never got to beat the most recent doom butt like watching these lore videos on the Doom universe. So did the Seraph seal Doom Slayer into a, essentially, a stasis chamber? To come back when hes needed most again?
Exactly
I had a strong feeling the Maykrs were initially good. Thanks for thr awesome video!
I believe that you will become well known, for your intelligent and historical videos alike, for this epic game, as documentaries, in a sort of way! 👏👏👏
Urdak was darker and more desolate than any of those hell levels.
A ruler of a race,given the title of “khan".
Guess it was a slow day in the writing room when they came up with that one.
Guess it's better than emperor
I do hope there's a way to save the Maykrs. The punishment for their later hubris has been dealt. Samur is out of the picture, Davoth is dust, VEGA/Father is more or less impotent, and the Khan Maykr has been beaten into a bloody pulp. They have been humbled, thoroughly.
Nah they need to go. I’m glad the maykers are dead
@@jackcalkins4232you need to go
@@user-bl7em8sx6o I can’t even see my original comment. What did I say?
Never heard the Doom story in any way at all. This opened a lot of things
The Earth of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal wasn't the same Earth Doomguy came from. It is one of the many Earths in existence in Doom universe.
I recall one piece of Khan Maykr promising to send Doomguy back to the Earth he came from, to which he couldn't return to.
Uhm. We don't go to earth in 2016. And if we did. It would he the same earth. The earth from DOOM 1, 2, Sigil,
Sigil 2, No Rest For The Living, Final DOOM, and 64 are in the same earth, but DOOM 3, Resurrection Of Evil, 2016, Eternal, TAG1, TAG2 are a different earth.
So if the Father had the power of the Father enter him, doesn’t that mean he could become the new Father?
need this man to cover wasteland 2 or 3 rn
This was great. I stopped playing after Doom 2016. I like it, but just haven't gotten into the new titles, so it was nice to have the story laid out. I'm curious what they'll do when they reboot Quake.
Thought about showing the Serious Sam Series? One of my favorites 🎉🎉
People say DOOM is a Christian game, and while I, as a Christian myself, definitely enjoy killing demons in the game, it's really more close to Gnosticism. While Gnosticism is considered heresy, I still think it's interesting to think about and I can't wait to see where DOOM takes this idea in the future
I honestly felt kinda conflicted for a bit , but once I found out that this wasn't "Doomguy is killing God" and this was way more different from the Bible it got rid of the confusion. The game isn't focused on directly explaining things to you, but I also don't like breaking up the fast paced adrenaline rush gameplay to read a codex entry.
@@alexwoods8927 Well, according to Id, DOOM: The Dark Ages will have the narrative more mixed in with the gameplay, so it won't just be a bunch of codex entries. So that'll hopefully be more interesting
One question i have even thought i have seen the video about davoth, my question is who created him like did he just appear or did some one else make him. Also literally if samer maker never listend to the father the worlds would be more screwed then they where already
He apparently was just the first spirit in a void. Like a ball of light that created everything around him
Rip And Tear 💪🏻
Rip and Tear!
So in conclusion, the Makyr were incredib.y dumb
They had one good idea, sealing away a god that was slowly losing his mind. After that it was downhill from there.
But if you think about it, he also was super strong for a human
This is INSANE!!
Ngl, I love Doom, I think it does what it sets out to do by being a power fantasy very well.
I absolutely hate how they decided to represent things like Angels, Heaven, their backstory for the Demons and Hell, and the very clunky story with the Doom Slayer’s time in Argent D’Nur. I don’t get why they didn’t just go with actual biblical lore instead of twisting it into this weird H.R. Giger multidimensional war.
WHY DO THE ANGELS LOOK LIKE DEMONS UNDER THE ARMOR
Becuse thats how Angels look in Bible
@@SkibidiToiletiscringe- No, actually. Angels do not look like demons, they look like angels. Not everything “otherworldly” or “scary” is demonic. Usually the representation of more violently predatory features are what constitute as demonic. A spinning wheel of eyes is otherworldly but not predatory or demonic in nature.
Because they wanted to make an interesting story instead of regurgitating one that was never any good.
I think DOOM's lore is more closer to Gnosticism rather than Christianity. Let me explain:
Davoth/The Father = The Demiurge
The Makyrs = Angels, the servants of the Demiurge
Whoever created Davoth/possibly the voice that yells "NOOOO" when the Khan Makyr dies = Monad, the true creator God
Wraiths = Servants of Monad
It's implied that there are things above Davoth, and Davoth, creator of Jekkad, Urdak, and the Earth realms though he be, still has his limits (being unable to create immortal life). This is very similar to how the Gnostics viewed Yahweh/the Demiurge, simply as the God of the physical reality, despite claiming to be the God of everything.
Though DOOM's lore may go in a more lovecraftian direction aesthetic-wise, I think it could still be seen as similar to Gnosticism. I don't think Monad will appear in DOOM by name, much like how the Demiurge figure is called Davoth/The Father (Depending on who is currently in power), we'll likely get a completely unique entity who simply plays the same role as Monad, as the creator of all things and truly all-powerful God.
Can't wait to see where the lore goes in the future!
There's crosses everywhere you look in urdak...
@@user-bl7em8sx6o Yeah, but that's just surface-level details, when you look at the role the makyrs play in the lore, it more closely resembles gnosticism
Doom was never my kind of game, but I was curious about the lore and it seems quite interesting. Mostly because I like the Maykr design, being a sucker for non-biological humanoids. The combination of an angel with a robot makes for a really striking visual image.
It would be awesome if you make a castlevania lords of shadow saga how about the castle or Dracula or vampires
I actually haven't played them. They're on my list though!
@@Skyrionncool
Maybe Doom Dark Ages will expand more
I always felt like Kahn Maykr's face looked like the spider mastermind. Is that just a coincidence?
New doom game been leaked for 2025
Overconfidence is a slow and incidious killer...
Yay new skyrionn
Welcome welcome
Is it just me or was the a soft reboot between Doom(2016) and Doom Eternal. Their a lot of details that don't sync up. Reminds me of the soft reboot between Dead Space 1 and 2.
They and their leader were the real villians of doom
How they ended huh? They ended WITH ME
Whenever a world springs forth from a god figure without them realizing I just imagine they farted while walking and you never look behind you when you fart so they just keep walking unaware they farted a galaxy out there cosmic azz
I'm suprised this hasn't gotten a like it made me chuckle
I just realized family guy made this exact same joke. Did you get it from that lol?
So doom is all about ai going too far to achieve their goal?
The father is a twisted lying piece of shit. The only god that’s heroic is the slayer
Bruh stay on your meds. It's just a game
The Maykrs were a mistake.
Deffo in the eyes of Davoth
I was loving the game until the maykers. I really dont like the “heaven and the angels are evil also God is awal/evil” trope.
I just think its boring. (And it hurts my fee fees angels are the good guys)
On no! Not.... The Bad
The lore is pretty good, but it gets pretty contrived and stupid when it gets to the point of the father being turned into Vega, and Samer into Samuel Hayden.. really REALLY contrived. First of which, why Earth of everywhere he could go? What makes Earth such a safe place? It's only been invaded by Hell like 4 times previously. Why an AI? Why a human? It's just really stupid and obvious stretching to make Doom Eternal and Doom 2016 linked.
Kinda bummed out that the Doomslayer turned out to be blessed with some kind of divine energy and not just pure testosterone and adrenaline. 😅😅
It's both. Lol
Do a lore video on why there is sweetcorn in my poo
That'll be a 5 hour video
Doom the story based on bible where both heaven and hell are evil
Basically yeah
"Heaven" is subjective. That's how the Makyrs would see it
Wou..
The Doom backstory is stupid, convoluted, confusing, and dumb.
Wrong
It’s not lol
There are really two ways to look at NuDoom's plot:
1) It's a heavy metal concept album like something Rhapsody (of Fire) would make. Sure there's words but it's usually incoherent screaming. And somehow the whole thing just works because at the end of the day, you're having an experience, not receiving the first tablets of law or whatever.
2) It's a bog-standard Bethesda game where they didn't bother with competent high level writing to make sure the themes all gelled and the world bible wasn't a huge contradictory mess.
So...yes, the writing is confusing and dumb. But you know what? Boomer shooters use plot in the same way arcade fighters do--it's just connective tissue to get you from the spectacle that just happened to the spectacle that's just beginning. For a doom reboot that level of writing feels about right. It's not meant to be Shakespeare.
Got a warhammer ad before this, wrong game bud
who the hell wrote all this, this epic fantasy setting only lacks some space gnomes and stuff. Doom Eternal's lore is a dog's fever dream. I prefer when it was og hard-fi in Doom 16. The more I check lore of Doom Eternal the more I think it's stupid as all hell.
It's DOOM lore. Wtf do you expect?
I just can't. Eternal lore is just... no.
Shut up
This is dnd lore,tharizdun and the shard of inf.evil...
new age stuff kinda sucks makes it all into a syfi hell is just a space jail
Not a fan of DOOM having 'lore', original game kept it simple, that was its charm
Yeah but that wouldn't work with how far games have come. Ppl would need an explanation for why the different levels and worlds look the way they do. I wouldn't just want to kill the same demons in a 10 hour campaign with 0 story
the maykr has fallen, billions must die
As much as I enjoy a fleshed-out backstory, does anyone miss the old Doom story of just "rip and tear the demons because demons are assholes who put bunnies heads on pikes"?
Nope
Gonna be real here... not at all
That's still the backstory though to my understanding, the events of the original doom games should still be canon. Notice he has the original doom armor on in the inscriptions of his time first reaching Argent D'Nur
Yes
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Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching!
I know where in the vid you're refering to jess.😊