Great video, we can almost treat Doom 3 as a prequel to original Doom, with the marine returning from Hell quite traumatized, only to see another teleportation experiment into Hell, and again in Doom 64 eventually realizing mankind will always invent its own extinction (kinda like AI and nukes) but then is thrown back in time like this video says to The Dark Ages on Argent D'Nur and eventually becoming the Doom Slayer of 2016 and Eternal.
I agree with this, I also suspect the original Dimension that the Doom Guy was from ,the one with the pet Rabbit, was totally taken over by Hell, Ie there Not your People to save!, as the people he is trying to save are in fact Humans of an alternative Dimension Earth, Doom Guy sees it as a Second Chance,I think the Timeline over multiple Earth and dimensions is as follows Doom3, Doom 1994, Doom 2, Doom 64,Doom Dark Ages, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, there also dlc like resurrection of evil,which are a different Doom Guy ,But I suspect The Doom Guy( one from D3,,D1,D2,D64) is The Slayer from Doom dark ages,2016 and Eternal,that has traveled dimensions and time,evolved and changed.
Unfortunately that can't be the case. Aside from the devs practically saying they're different characters, doomguy actually runs into one of the macguffins from doom 3, and straight up does not recognize it in any capacity.
@@mikfhan Doom 3 is not a prequel. Id stated all the way back in 2004 that Doom 3 is a retelling of Doom 1 and takes place where Doom and Doom 2 never happened. Tim willits exact quote is " the story in Doom 3 takes place as if Doom and Doom 2 never happened. Its important for fans to realize that this isnt Doom 3 after you know Doom 2 hell on earth. This is Doom 3 where as the first two games never happened." So Doom 3 takes place in its own timeline. I dont know where fans get the idea that Doom 3 is a prequel because its been stated several times by the devs that it has no connections to Doom/ Doom 2.
Surprised you didn't even give an honorable mention/shoutout to *Legacy of Rust.* It's a brand-new *OFFICIAL* Classic Doom expansion that features a new remote region of Hell, known as Vassago's Rest, that the UAC tried and *failed* to colonize for themselves. In their hubris, they called it New Eden. It's home to the so-called "Ones Beneath", which are most likely the new Vassagos. The two new intermission maps look fantastic and are also probably worth a look. Also, while we're on that topic... How about some honorable mentions/shoutouts to *SIGIL 1 & 2?*
@@protostar5946 Although i like LoR i think it and Sigil are non canon expansions just like Cold Stream and The Last Stand for Left 4 Dead. They are there because the creators wanted to make something new. But yeah a mention would be nice since Doom 3 is also not canon but got one.
With Quake, Doom being covered, what about a few other classics that have had reboots or just stayed around, such as Unreal, Heretic, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem and Turok
@@Panchyishere That shouldn't be a question. The Machine Games Wolfenstein games shares no narrative connection to the previous Wolfenstein Games and is set in their own canon. Unlike the recent Doom games which are soft-reboots.
I really liked in the newer doom games how they tied the story from the originals into it, even if it was just kind of a wave of the hand it was still neat to know that we're still playing the same guy all this time lol
Here's what happened... The maykrs (Seraphs) figured out the secret to immortality (Argent energy) and realized that in order for that to be created a Hell MUST exist. This is why they betrayed Davoth and the humans. They wanted immortality for themselves and this is why they continued to create mortal realms after sealing away Jakked and why those mortal realms were constantly invaded by hell for collection of souls.
For your next big project I suggest something I’ve never seen on UA-cam. A complete and understandable guide to the entire timeline(s) of the Command & Conquer/RedAlert/Generals series.
32:40 I’m glad I’m not the only one fascinated by the inspiration of the original Doom Hell names. Dis, Pandaemonium, Mt. Erebus, Limbo, all have a literary or Biblical root that I’d like to see explored
Since you love covering doom lore so much, have you considered maybe covering ultrakill too? Maybe as a mini-series of sorts? Could be interesting to see you cover it
The 2016 remake's Hell is certainly more fleshed out, but I liked Doom 3's version _because_ so much was left unexplained. Even the characters in universe genuinely don't understand it, and their reports get weirder and more unsettling as the game goes on. A lot of people write off Doom 3 as more survival horror than a proper shooter, but I think the unexplained nature of that game's Hell supports the game in two ways. First, it gives just enough info about Hell and the ancient Martians to encourage you to speculate about them, rather than just telling you it was all this ancient guy's plan gone wrong. And second, even as unsettlingly Lovecraftian as it may be, the fact that you can settle the score with determination and a shotgun is still very much a Doom flavor.
Wow, I was really waiting to hear another story from Doom franchise with your voice and your research. you are wonderful Please also make a video about what happens to the world of Doom and Doom Guy himself after the death of the Dark Lord.
That'd be really interesting to cover but sadly we do not have any information of what happened after the death of Davoth. Hopefully Dark Ages will give us something
Great video! Only thing I'll say is that the Hell between the original Doom series to the modern series is the same. The only differences are the species of demons present in the games and the settings, but besides that, Hell/Jekkad is a dimension connected to all others, like you said, so its connected to both the original Doom dimension and the modern Doom dimension.
I think Dr. Betruger knew about the slayer, and was worried that the Doom Marine would find the Slayer and free him. Once again having the demons flee in horror.
@MattD402 Yes he does. It's a different universe but the same hell. Which means Betruger most likely knew about the Slayer. If you read the texts in Doom and Doom Eternal it reveals that it's always been the same hell.
@@RealEnerjak Funny that Betruger not once mentioned the Doom Slayer in the entirety of Doom 3. That's because the Doom Slayer doesn't exist in Doom 3. Doom Slayer don't exist in Doom 3 because Doom Slayer wasn't even an idea back then.
The original two Doom games are still my faves, only because I couldn't get into the gameplay of Doom 3 and have yet to try the more recent rebooted games.
The father is not the brightest. You trap an immortal realm in a bubble and then start feeding it forever to make it stronger. They already popped the last bubble, and yet he can't fathom that they'll eventually pop this one too. All he had to do was deprive Hell of new souls. Starve it while he had the upper hand. I theorize that he couldn't stop souls from being sent their upon death, but stopping them from being harvested there should have been number one priority.
If anyone likes all this Doom lore you should check out a book called Gods Demon by Wayne Barlow. It takes place in hell with demons eventually going to war amongst each other. Great book
Do you think that the Legacy of Rust campaign could fit into the classic hell lore at all? We know it is officially published, but have no confirmation of canonicity
while the original could be linked, in a way, to the new doom slayer... and the original hell was a background (like them demons), I would say "the original"... alas, the new Doom / Eternal expanded said background and made it more then "interesting".. thus they earned their place as "awesome".
yea....im all for scifi.....theres restrictions and rules.....until u introduce someone who isnt bound by it.....then its plot armor......but i will say this, many criticize Doom for its story, but the creativity behind it when it first debuted was amazing, we all have to remember, of course things seem dull and downgraded when we LOOK BACK as opposed to ahead but it wus a solid game, didnt bore u with the lore but it had a core concept.....now blame the ones who rebooted it for making a god like figure able to create but not sustain.....maybe a twist to the "powers" by stating that life essence can be created, but he went mad because he realized he had a gift of creation, but it wus always DOOMed to fail because all life has a "shelf life" a.k.a expiration date.....so its believable cuz its an omnipotent being.....but u get the relatable paradox of things being temporary and thats why we either learn to cherish it.....or turn into a mad god 🤷😎💯💪
More like davoth, his servants and the Maykrs would open gateways to hell on planets and those killed by the demons, their souls would be claimed for hell
Can I be real, after how they basically claimed heaven never existed essentially I can't take doom seriously. You literally can't have hell or lucifer without Christ and God. It just don't make sense
But is the Hell in DOOM games HELL in that Universe? I think there's some leg room for actual Higher Power beyond super advanced beings with space magic.
They ruined Hell in the new games. John Carmack and John Romero always said that hell in the original Doom is the literal hell. Hence why you have references to Dante's Inferno and level titles named after biblical passages in Thy Flesh Consumed. Also John Romero's Sigil Wads also makes references to Satan Baphomet and other actual hell related things.
@@lucascoval828Eternals story is so garbage they basically have Satan be the creator of god and shit. This screams "I HATED GOING TO SUNDAY SCHOOL TAKE THAT MOM AND DAD" levels of edgy atheism. Also the original story was actual hell and actual heaven was referenced.
Which Doom has your favorite version of Hell?
Doom 2016 deff
Gotta be eternal, it feels so hellish
Doom 3
Ultrakill :3
@@floppademon1506 I can stand by it
Finally, someone who decided to explore Hell's story in Doom better. Great work, man.
Thanks for watching
I'd love to see a video on the origins of the Doom level names. And a deep dive into the different Doom monsters would be fascinating.
Good to know. It's on the list :)
@@Skyrionn Fantastic! Looking forward to it!
Great video, we can almost treat Doom 3 as a prequel to original Doom, with the marine returning from Hell quite traumatized, only to see another teleportation experiment into Hell, and again in Doom 64 eventually realizing mankind will always invent its own extinction (kinda like AI and nukes) but then is thrown back in time like this video says to The Dark Ages on Argent D'Nur and eventually becoming the Doom Slayer of 2016 and Eternal.
I agree with this, I also suspect the original Dimension that the Doom Guy was from ,the one with the pet Rabbit, was totally taken over by Hell, Ie there Not your People to save!, as the people he is trying to save are in fact Humans of an alternative Dimension Earth, Doom Guy sees it as a Second Chance,I think the Timeline over multiple Earth and dimensions is as follows Doom3, Doom 1994, Doom 2, Doom 64,Doom Dark Ages, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, there also dlc like resurrection of evil,which are a different Doom Guy ,But I suspect The Doom Guy( one from D3,,D1,D2,D64) is The Slayer from Doom dark ages,2016 and Eternal,that has traveled dimensions and time,evolved and changed.
Unfortunately that can't be the case. Aside from the devs practically saying they're different characters, doomguy actually runs into one of the macguffins from doom 3, and straight up does not recognize it in any capacity.
@@mikfhan Doom 3 is not a prequel. Id stated all the way back in 2004 that Doom 3 is a retelling of Doom 1 and takes place where Doom and Doom 2 never happened. Tim willits exact quote is " the story in Doom 3 takes place as if Doom and Doom 2 never happened. Its important for fans to realize that this isnt Doom 3 after you know Doom 2 hell on earth. This is Doom 3 where as the first two games never happened." So Doom 3 takes place in its own timeline. I dont know where fans get the idea that Doom 3 is a prequel because its been stated several times by the devs that it has no connections to Doom/ Doom 2.
this is way more lore than i expected for a game about brutalizing demons
One hell of a video
I see what you did there!
Surprised you didn't even give an honorable mention/shoutout to *Legacy of Rust.* It's a brand-new *OFFICIAL* Classic Doom expansion that features a new remote region of Hell, known as Vassago's Rest, that the UAC tried and *failed* to colonize for themselves. In their hubris, they called it New Eden. It's home to the so-called "Ones Beneath", which are most likely the new Vassagos. The two new intermission maps look fantastic and are also probably worth a look.
Also, while we're on that topic... How about some honorable mentions/shoutouts to *SIGIL 1 & 2?*
@@protostar5946 Although i like LoR i think it and Sigil are non canon expansions just like Cold Stream and The Last Stand for Left 4 Dead. They are there because the creators wanted to make something new. But yeah a mention would be nice since Doom 3 is also not canon but got one.
With Quake, Doom being covered, what about a few other classics that have had reboots or just stayed around, such as Unreal, Heretic, Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem and Turok
I have a ton of ideas for next year. Some of them are on there
Would you consider the machinegames wolfenstein a reboot? I would personally.
@@Panchyishere That shouldn't be a question. The Machine Games Wolfenstein games shares no narrative connection to the previous Wolfenstein Games and is set in their own canon. Unlike the recent Doom games which are soft-reboots.
@@hihowrya370 my bad, I should have been more clear. That’s what I meant
do the Teletubbies
You know who else doomed dimension......
Justin Trudeau
MY MOM
Diddy
@@OneFreeMan17
Leave him alone.
He's handsome.
😭💅@@lucascoval828
I really liked in the newer doom games how they tied the story from the originals into it, even if it was just kind of a wave of the hand it was still neat to know that we're still playing the same guy all this time lol
Here's what happened... The maykrs (Seraphs) figured out the secret to immortality (Argent energy) and realized that in order for that to be created a Hell MUST exist. This is why they betrayed Davoth and the humans. They wanted immortality for themselves and this is why they continued to create mortal realms after sealing away Jakked and why those mortal realms were constantly invaded by hell for collection of souls.
oh mama, this makes real sense
Dont need you to tell us what happened just watched a whole video on it.
@@gyphryphobia Speak for yourself. They saved me 41 minutes and 46 seconds.
@ what did you do with the time instead
For your next big project I suggest something I’ve never seen on UA-cam.
A complete and understandable guide to the entire timeline(s) of the Command & Conquer/RedAlert/Generals series.
Bricky did a whole series on em 😅
I'll have to look into it. I've heard great things but haven't played it
@@RidenX I mean like the explanation of all of the timelines and how they all connect to each other and which one is the true canon timeline
32:40 I’m glad I’m not the only one fascinated by the inspiration of the original Doom Hell names. Dis, Pandaemonium, Mt. Erebus, Limbo, all have a literary or Biblical root that I’d like to see explored
3:53 I like how a god created a species for the sole purpose of succeeding where it has failed.
As opposed to being a shamed puppet lol
Since you love covering doom lore so much, have you considered maybe covering ultrakill too? Maybe as a mini-series of sorts? Could be interesting to see you cover it
That has been suggested a few times. Maybe in the future!
Another doom lore count me in
There's more to come too
I would love more quake lore and the blood series would be really cool!
Great video men, I hope u do video of the different levels of hell like u said that be dope
It's on the list :)
you will never get rid of me even though late iam here here watching this very video
Doom Eternal was my first Doom game so I definitely like the way Hell is shown.
That's probably one of my favorite, doom lore.
And these Makers really deserve to be doomed as well
I loved the lore - the Maykr did deserve what they got
Yes, more doom lore. Lets go
Welcome welcome
Excellent work, hope you also cover Urdak / Heaven eventually
It's on the list to cover at some point
Hell is where the heart is.
🔥❤️😈❤️🔥
Enjoyed this! Great work! 👍
Thanks for watching!
That's the video I've been waiting for years
I appreciate you watching
Remember: "To win the game you must beat [me] John Romero". 😅
But seriously: amazing video!
I had no idea that the lore is so deep.
The 2016 remake's Hell is certainly more fleshed out, but I liked Doom 3's version _because_ so much was left unexplained. Even the characters in universe genuinely don't understand it, and their reports get weirder and more unsettling as the game goes on.
A lot of people write off Doom 3 as more survival horror than a proper shooter, but I think the unexplained nature of that game's Hell supports the game in two ways. First, it gives just enough info about Hell and the ancient Martians to encourage you to speculate about them, rather than just telling you it was all this ancient guy's plan gone wrong. And second, even as unsettlingly Lovecraftian as it may be, the fact that you can settle the score with determination and a shotgun is still very much a Doom flavor.
The road to hell paved away with good intentions 😈😈😈
The Slough of Despair?
You'd despair too if you were stuck in Slough. I know I did last time it happened.
Wow, I was really waiting to hear another story from Doom franchise with your voice and your research. you are wonderful
Please also make a video about what happens to the world of Doom and Doom Guy himself after the death of the Dark Lord.
That'd be really interesting to cover but sadly we do not have any information of what happened after the death of Davoth. Hopefully Dark Ages will give us something
Great video! Only thing I'll say is that the Hell between the original Doom series to the modern series is the same. The only differences are the species of demons present in the games and the settings, but besides that, Hell/Jekkad is a dimension connected to all others, like you said, so its connected to both the original Doom dimension and the modern Doom dimension.
Doom God: Can create life and entire dimensions but can't keep said life from dying... 🤦🏻♂️
Skill issue.
You can only create something lower than yourself by yourself
I love all your vids and this was no exception.
Thanks!
I think Dr. Betruger knew about the slayer, and was worried that the Doom Marine would find the Slayer and free him. Once again having the demons flee in horror.
@@RealEnerjak Doom Slayer does not exist in Doom 3.
@MattD402 Yes he does. It's a different universe but the same hell. Which means Betruger most likely knew about the Slayer. If you read the texts in Doom and Doom Eternal it reveals that it's always been the same hell.
@@RealEnerjak Funny that Betruger not once mentioned the Doom Slayer in the entirety of Doom 3. That's because the Doom Slayer doesn't exist in Doom 3. Doom Slayer don't exist in Doom 3 because Doom Slayer wasn't even an idea back then.
The Demons of Doom and the Combine from Half-Life are my favorite
hopefully you accept diff fandoms but can you make a rainworld vid?
PEAK has dropped.
Thanks!
The original two Doom games are still my faves, only because I couldn't get into the gameplay of Doom 3 and have yet to try the more recent rebooted games.
Amazing video
Thanks!
"say yes to doom by skyrionn"
~dante alighieri, probably
Do warhammer lore next please
Interesting the video about literal Hell drops the day before the election...
you dont know wht literal means
yep, youtube algo sends people here after trump won 11-2024 😅
MAGA
Fuck off with your politics
Do you ever do partial lore videos?
watching this while finishing up Doom Eternal :)
Perfect combo
The father is not the brightest. You trap an immortal realm in a bubble and then start feeding it forever to make it stronger. They already popped the last bubble, and yet he can't fathom that they'll eventually pop this one too. All he had to do was deprive Hell of new souls. Starve it while he had the upper hand. I theorize that he couldn't stop souls from being sent their upon death, but stopping them from being harvested there should have been number one priority.
If anyone likes all this Doom lore you should check out a book called Gods Demon by Wayne Barlow. It takes place in hell with demons eventually going to war amongst each other. Great book
I wish you would do one on the overlap of control and Alan awake
I adore your lore 🤘
i do love the names used in doom
dude i did not excpect this amount of doom lore especcially eternal
Scary story. 🔥
I vote for the Cyberdemon.
first Quake and now Doom?! heck yea
So much content to cover
Suspect the timeline is something like this Doom 3, Doom, Doom 2 ,Doom 64, Doom Dark Ages, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal.
i love your videos
I feel so bad for Davoth, he just wanted to save his people from death...😞
Freeman and his crowbar VS D00M GUY! FIIIITTTTTEEEE!
In my heart, all three dooms are connected
"Look. We think you have anger issues."
"I DON'T HAVE ANGER ISSUES! I'LL DESTROY ALL OF YOU!"
He kind of proved them right to back stab him.
Goes on the internet
Sees clip of a hell knight smashing samus aran
This is hell.
The new doom lore feels very Romero , Very “fantasy epic” feels like something that could’ve been in early quake when it was still a fantasy game
Brilliant
Thanks!
Do you think that the Legacy of Rust campaign could fit into the classic hell lore at all? We know it is officially published, but have no confirmation of canonicity
Quite possibly - I'd have to look into it further though
while the original could be linked, in a way, to the new doom slayer... and the original hell was a background (like them demons), I would say "the original"... alas, the new Doom / Eternal expanded said background and made it more then "interesting".. thus they earned their place as "awesome".
*beep boop* algo food!
beep boop thank you
Well I guess that’s what I have to look forward to when I’m gone 🤷🏻♂️😐
I think many of us will
the doomslayer was stopped by dropping a building on him? figures
An ultrakill lore video would be amazing
I have yet to see a good video on MDK universe :P
Please, please, PLEASE do The StarCraft Universe someday. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I'll have to look into it. Not something I have played yet
yea....im all for scifi.....theres restrictions and rules.....until u introduce someone who isnt bound by it.....then its plot armor......but i will say this, many criticize Doom for its story, but the creativity behind it when it first debuted was amazing, we all have to remember, of course things seem dull and downgraded when we LOOK BACK as opposed to ahead but it wus a solid game, didnt bore u with the lore but it had a core concept.....now blame the ones who rebooted it for making a god like figure able to create but not sustain.....maybe a twist to the "powers" by stating that life essence can be created, but he went mad because he realized he had a gift of creation, but it wus always DOOMed to fail because all life has a "shelf life" a.k.a expiration date.....so its believable cuz its an omnipotent being.....but u get the relatable paradox of things being temporary and thats why we either learn to cherish it.....or turn into a mad god 🤷😎💯💪
You missed lagucy of rust!? It had the usc and nuclear weapons.
It's all 1 continuity
@@novustalks7525 Its supposed to be but it dont work as a single continuity because Eternal contradicts what the classic games established.
Could Hell have any connection to the realms of Quake
HELL yeah
Death is a curse.
hell yeah!
I see what you did there!
doom, the game series where good gameplay have to be removed for "lore"... bring back games like they was in the 90s. no fucking story, just killing.
Hell appears in all doom games, right?
Every single one of them
DOOM. IS. ETERNAL.
Yes it is!
Big balls
I thought everyone goes to hell, or was it just earth?
More like davoth, his servants and the Maykrs would open gateways to hell on planets and those killed by the demons, their souls would be claimed for hell
If Doom Slayer is so powerful then how come he died from a building collapsed on him?
He didn't die, it just weakened him - they used this opportunity to seal him in the sarcophagus.
Doom a- brahn john
No mention of his bunny....disappointing.
👀
hello
hello
@@Skyrionn Love the vids, watched all the doom ones, keep up the work. also can't wait for dark ages
Doom shows the first hand why humans are apex predators
Sounds like the maker's deserve what's coming to them
Basically
Doom 2016 is gay. But i havent played it so after i play i will either confirm or deny. Wish me luck.
So the makars are bad
Amora looks more like Cybertron then an Ancient city tbh
New Doom lore is kind of a headache to learn. Its way more complicated than a Japanese RPG
I have a question. Do you like the Doomslayer and Isabelle shipper? Or how I like to call them, Doomsabelle.
UA-cam algo suggests people watch this video after trump won in 11-2024 😅
it seems you skipped over a significant amount of story in the original timeline
The story yes - not the lore of Hell though
Early
Me too 😈
@@jackzoom1433 me too
early gang
@@Skyrionn When is Doom lore in question ofc
Can I be real, after how they basically claimed heaven never existed essentially I can't take doom seriously. You literally can't have hell or lucifer without Christ and God. It just don't make sense
But is the Hell in DOOM games HELL in that Universe?
I think there's some leg room for actual Higher Power beyond super advanced beings with space magic.
This world was made in reverse.
@@lucascoval828 In the original games and Doom 3 it's suppose to be. They changed it for Eternal.
They ruined Hell in the new games. John Carmack and John Romero always said that hell in the original Doom is the literal hell. Hence why you have references to Dante's Inferno and level titles named after biblical passages in Thy Flesh Consumed. Also John Romero's Sigil Wads also makes references to Satan Baphomet and other actual hell related things.
@@lucascoval828Eternals story is so garbage they basically have Satan be the creator of god and shit. This screams "I HATED GOING TO SUNDAY SCHOOL TAKE THAT MOM AND DAD" levels of edgy atheism. Also the original story was actual hell and actual heaven was referenced.
Brilliant video.