The REAL Villain of Doom | The Father | FULL Doom Lore EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- The Father is an entity known by almost everyone on Earth. On our planet, he goes by the name of God, however, across the dimensions and universes of Doom, he went by many other names. Known as The Father, or VEGA, and with the help of Samur Maykr, The Father made tough decisions to save his creations.
Throughout the series, The Father adapted his form in order to become who he needed to be. Although regarded as a creator and hero, this entity has dark secrets that may even portray him as the villain of this story. Where did the ruler of the heavenly realm of Urdak actually come from? What role did he play in the war with the hellish realm of Jekkad, and how does his story end? In this video, I explore the lore and story behind the Icon of Sin in Doom.
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction
01:28 The Ascension of The Father (Before Doom 2016)
07:41 The False Story of The Maykr (Before Doom 2016)
11:31 The Withdrawal of The Father (Before Doom 2016)
19:35 VEGA (Before Doom 2016)
26:49 The Doom Slayer (Doom 2016)
29:21 The Invasion of Planet Earth (Doom Eternal)
32:01 The Reawakening of The Father (Doom Eternal & The Ancient Gods Part 1 & 2)
38:13 Legacy
39:29 Closing Thoughts
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Was The Father a villain?
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You have to - the Icon of Sin said so.
Yes it is
Absolutely
But yeah he did some evil acts
The one I been waitin for!!!
Idk :)
I can't help but feel bad for doomguy. for as powerful as he is, he is only ever seen as a tool and even treated as such. Whenever the "Good Guys" are done with him, they just force him to sleep and put him away. He never gets to enjoy the fruits of his labor and is forced into a life of battle with no actual rest outside of what is essentially hibernation mode.
yeah except it seems more like the doom guy exists for this, his sleep is more like work for him. when hes awake and destroying evil, that his vacation.
@@imgrindin to me it feels like the opposite, but thats just my opinion
He'd be always nervous about the future even if you give him universal peace with no evil...
It doesn't seem like Father wanted him to be asleep, it seemed like it was an unnecessary byproduct of what was needed
He has a computer and plays games on it, has a library full of books and had a pet rabbit, he has down-time between apocalyptic events.
He also really likes killing demons so he’s having fun.
He’s not really suffering.
The Father, Darklord, and Sam: Incredibly in depth backstories with numerous twists and turns.
Doom Guy: They killed his bunny, so he killed god.
100%
His family too but that’s the gist of it
@@RandomUser2235
his bunny was his family.
And you don't mess with family
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 You’re right, his wife and kid doesn’t matter. FOR DAISY!!
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 Doomguy = Dom Torreto?
The only way The Father is a real "villain" is by not having destroyed Davoth's life sphere when he had the chance. Davoth, as tragically unfortunate as his story may be, was becoming tyrannical and cruel in his search for his creations' immortality. Also, the Khan Maykr is a great example of what happens when someone's immortal for too long, they go fucking crazy.
Davoth's tyranny (he was obviously a flawed creator) seems like a plot device, otherwise why would the Maykr rebel? Their created purpose was to aid the primary race as a sort of scientific angels with the single purpose to find a cure. And the path they went down eventually led to them also suffering from "transfiguration". Just a tragic story all around, and the greatest victims, oddly, seem to be the demons. Living in a world that degrades to Hell throughout who knows how long.
In the game, demons seem to have "hatred for the living". It makes one wonder about what "transfiguration" is supposed to be. Maybe it's not just aging but an entropic degradation and mutation of society to produce more and more suffering.
because she stole his power and split into two, this one will be sealed in the coffins of urdak while the other which a shard will be hiding in the mountains of encremon
@unitynofear7758 because Papa Hugo decided to make the slayer and Davoth "twin entities put in this universe by some sort of pantheon of gods" (not a direct quote, but close enough)
The story is all over the place, it seemed like they wrote themselves into a corner setting up the dark lord fight in a DLC, and the only way out was pretty much rewriting everythhing they added in tag1 lol
@@rdowg that’s what happens when you try to write story…. In a doom game 😂
I thought that the life sphere was something supposed to be used to bring back the full body. Even if the Dark Lord's sphere gets destroyed, he would only be the presence much like the Father. That is why Doomguy wanted to bring Davoth's physical form not to help the demons, obviously, but to kill him so that anything outside of Hell would perish.
We seriously need one more DOOM game in this timeline. Still way to many unanswered questions. Great video as always.
they are. they are making a prequal between doom 1 from the 90s and doom 2016 to show what happened. atleast thats what the rumors say
If they do I hope they treat everyone in the team with respect and dignity and not like how they treated Mick Gordon
@@Theserjtankianfan oof, i felt that deep in my soul. yeah, its a crying shame what they did to him on top of trying to make him out to be just some snob that got too big off the success of the games and his music which is far from the truth. poor gordon did not deserve that.
@Theserjtankianfan He got what he deserved, there was no mistreatment.
@@shahzaib4011 did you ever read what actually happened and not the lies bethesda and id software spun to make mick look bad? based on your answer, im guessing no. imagine siding with a billion dollar company trying to ruin the reputation of a 1 man artist. you make me sick.
If you paid attention to Doom Eternals dialogue, no where did Davoth claim to be God. He did admit to be the creator of Jekkad and Urdak but not of Argent DeNur or Terra.
The end twist of Doom Eternal is that Urdak is a deceptive replication of Heaven, which Davoth made. And Jekkad is basically the first attemp heaven but failed in time that became Hell.
The title of First Being for Davoth implicates many things, such as the first Primeval of his kind or the First to arrive at this dimension. To call him 'God' is way overrated. He clearly has no power over mortality for his own creations and even tried to sacrifice other planets' denizens just to prolong it.
Other than Davoths own statement about his own divinity, Hugo Martin even reinstated there is a TrueGod above Davoth that remains a mystery to be found.
Yeah and then adding onto that it would make more sense with the elemental wraiths and how the Maykrs wanted them and their power and by extension if the Ancient Wraiths chose the doom slayer then he and Davoth would be at about the same level of divinity.
I think it's more a matter of trying to simplify the pantheon for sake of the video. The DLCs were called The Ancient GODS, after all
It’s said that Davoth crossed the void. And where he first stood live bloomed. Which would imply that on the other side of the void that Davoth came from there’s something or someone there
Yes, Davoth represents the Demiurge of the Gnosticism.
doesn’t the father say “he is the creator and where he fell i ascended” this implies davoth was above the father right
Great video. Just want to say that I feel like you missed what I believe is an important character detail: when the Slayer destroys VEGAs core to open the portal to hell, just before destruction he can be heard saying “I have many regrets, Dr. Hayden,” which I think demonstrates his benevolent nature. Though he was complicit in the heinous acts perpetrated by the UAC in the study, refinement, and production of Argent Energy, he was indeed able to recognize and express remorse for his actions even as he died.
But VEGA didn't 'die'.
'He' was transferred to other disk as the meltdown was happening.
Shoud we actually separate VEGA and the Father as different characters? If so, then yes, I would be willing to consider the Father an unwanting villain. He rose up against His Master, usurped his power, and sealed him away. And yet, we can wonder if Davoth truly was threatening all of creation with his search for immortality. If so, then we could consider the Father's actions as benevolent, if a bit misguided. But if not, then the Father is indeed responsible for every problem in the Modern Doom timeline. :/
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
Ha ha 🤣 In Warhammer 40k, a space Marine sacrificed himself making a big bright explosion thinking it saved the day...little did they know what horrific collection of monstrosities that saw it WAAAAAAAY outside of the galaxy. "Oh, a bright light? That means there's food 😀" they are called Tyranids...all thanks to 1 single Space Marine
@@kingtonsiljockey528 Well, he had no way of knowing that, and no other alternative. Even living legends can screw up. Even Barabas Dantioch. :/
Not really. Because eventually devoth would doom all of creation any if he attained immortality of humans. Humans are corruptible. Imagine if you weren’t able to kill joseph stalin or poll pot whi killed millions.
Davoth must've been sitting in his life sphere like "bruh literally 1984"
I want to know why the Mykers thought that the secret of immortality was too dangerous for Davoth to know. Because obviouslly he became something just as dangerous if not more so without the secret. Plus Davoth is already immortal, so why were the mykers scared about giving the humans immortality?
Because they needed humans to die
@@Dunnerski exactly. The whole system is built around human death. This a system that has been in existence forever. Clearly Davoth didn't like that system and rebelled against it, which is why they locked him away in his realm.
Look at what the Khan became with immortality
Although the process or Argent energy is poorly explained and may well have been around before Davoth, which he may have become disillusioned with
@@TetrohedraconI’m curious, do you mean that Death is unbreakable rule of existence or do you mean that they discover how to make themselves immortality but it requires the death of mortals.
It's called bad writing. 😒
This dude was sus as hell lol
*Da dum tiss*
Hehe… hell
Damn man, you just don't stop dropping these epic videos! Just when I think you've covered everything you go even deeper on specific and each individual aspect of the lore. But should come as no surprise going by your epic track record on Half Life lore!
Amazing work, as always! Hoping you get a million subs!
Brilliant video. The care you put into this production is incredible. Thank you.
I kinda feel bad for the Khan Maykr, she was doing everything on her power to not get transfigured, but also was smart enough to time perfectly herself fighting the Doom Slayer as she was transfiguring, she knew the Doom Slayer would stop her so she wouldn't be a danger as she transfigured and corrupted herself.
Shame it wasn’t communicated better to the slayer
Maybe she couldn’t have conveyed it as her twisted nature would attempt to manipulate him but at least she may still inow
Still doesn't make it right to sacrifice billion of innocent lives.
Thanks for the upload. Love listening to all your vids. Calming to listen to and informative.
Glad you like them!
Magnificent video, Skyrionn. Thank you for your efforts.
Thanks Auron! I appreciate you!
HOLY SHIT there's so much here. Awesome work man. Been really liking your videos as engaging background stuff while I paint. Thanks dude.
Why would the Father abandon the Mykers if he knew they needed him in order to make a new Khan every 10,000 years? The excuse given was that "they didn't want Davoth to break free", but specifically goes to Earth knowing that humans would discover Argent energy. We also know the Sarephem exist outside of all known universes and are watching us from where Davoth came from.
I'm hoping that in a new Doom game - we'll get some more information and maybe something to fill in these issues.
But where do the wraith come from? They seem to have their own thing going separate from the rest and their own unique godlike abilities and technology seemingly beyond even the makers. They make me feel like there is some even bigger threat out there and these beings are just pawns in a greater multiverse. Because why did they build a planet sized ship that's indestructible and launch themselves at a planet to transform it's creatures into a warrior race? There is some huge untold story potential there obviously! I haven't played the later games but the lore is getting very, almost lovecraftian you could say.
@@DeathBYDesign666 the wraith also had the Saraphs watching from inside the ship. And Remember the Father said "He is worthy" before the wraith allowed that bridge to rise from the water. Clearly the father and wraith are connected.
@@DeathBYDesign666 Martin has said there is something greater out there when he was asked about the wraiths and the ship in a 2021 interview IIRC
@@DeathBYDesign666 maybe it's from wraith realm
Great video. Thanks for filling the plot holes not explained or hard to connect in the game. This was satisfying
Oh, it makes sense now why the Icons Of Sun don’t truly die unless sealed away with The Crucible Blade. They are the physical embodiments of his rage and I’d go so far as to say extensions of himself directly.
Why? Reality shifts around Davoths presence, just as it does with the Icons
These triforce cycles get crazy in the future lmao poor link~
23:51 That Revenant seems very pleased.
Pre-damnation Urdak looked pretty cool too.
I love your music choices for your narrative on a multitude of your videos.
Would be neat for a track list of what you used in this one!
You again have great explanatory and deep researches, into this debate now and presentation! Well done buddy, you are creative/artist indeed!
I stopped getting notifications for your channel but my antenna still tell me you have uploaded. Great video!!
Happy to have you here Cody. It's annoying that the notifications have messed up.
I remember your full doom slayer timeline, still one of my favorite video. One of my other one of your favorite videos is your full Portal and Half Life timeline. Anyways, I will say what I think of your video when I am done lol. But I'm sure it will be high quality like usual. :)
Again, another great video. I love listening to your stuff because you always make them engaging and cinematic. Keep up the good work and have a good day bro.
Wow, thanks!
Oh that Doom Slayer video has nothing on the entire Doom timeline I'm planning!
Thanks for watching :) I appreciate you.
@@Skyrionn Thank you for making awesome content.
This is such an old school game thing. God damn this gets deep.
Davoth says before our final battle "I give purpose to life, where there is none." .. This makes it sound like Davoth knows the truth about creation, like he knows that humans are nothing but pawns in a "Ritual" beyond all comprehension. His existence gives OUR lives meaning, what did he mean by that? Perhaps Davoth, upon finding out the truth, tried to rebel against the True God which is why he was sealed away. This would explain how a Non- primeeval, The Myker father, was able to defeat him.
Much like Davoth gave the Mykers technology, perhaps the next higher level of being gave the father some gift
Unless the creators are going for some lovecrafting lore I think it may be not so much a ritual, as it is a factor added to make Creation more entertaining to it’s creator. I don’t mean in the meta way, I mean that an omnipotent being created creation as form of entertainment, watching flawed beings have to deal with problems and things that can overcome(something that would be Alien to an omnipotent being)
These was incredibly made. Glad that I found it. Thank you my good sir!
I love your videos man, keep making these videos, your videos vary in very good games like Valve games and Doom games. ❤
The real villain is the friends we made along the way… wait no that’s not it…
Something went a little wrong there haha
It would be cool if the future doom games focused a little more on the psychological aspects of the demons. They are very cunning as well as brutal. The demons obviously can't defeat the doom slayer physically. So it makes sense they would try mentally. For example his wife and son could be in hell being tortured and the demons offer them back in exchange for his surrender. But the doom slayer remembers the deal they made with the betrayer and how they screwed him over. So the doom slayer could go berserk and go on a rampage through the arena. It would be a very cool moment story wise and also gameplay wise.
So you mean to tell me that vega and samuel wont get attacked when doom guy are away becuase there pretty much dooms version of god and diciple, also when the slayer made a new version of vega was actually adorable
Great vid! Ur dedication is insane.
So, basically, Doom Guy - before he was turned into the Doom Slayer - stopped a Hell Invasion on Mars, travelled to Hell, defeated the Icon of Sin in Hell and reached (on purposed or accidentally) Argent D'nur, right?
Argent D'nur was alredy under the control of the Khan Maykr, and Doom Guy was integrated in the ranks of the Night Sentinels to fight the demonic invasion of Argent D'nur (Said invasion was, directly or indirectly, within the responsibility and command of the Khan Maykr who herself fell under the influence of the Dark Lord).
While influencing the Khan Maykr, the Dark Lord also influenced Sam to infuse his (the Dark Lord's) essence in Doom Guy, so he could become the Doom Slayer and fight the Dreadnaught?
But how did Argent D'nur fall to the demonic invasion? Why is there Argent Energy in Hell? Were some pieces of Argent D'nur absorbed by Hell? Was the fall of Argent D'nur only possible after the imprisonment of the Slayer in the Cursed Sarcophagus?
Did the Dark Lord weaved a web of manipulation so convoluted and complex that involved the destruction of entire worlds and primordial beings just so the Slayer would resurrect him?
We need a third game in this timeline to iron things out lol. Hugo did say he wanted a much more different gameplay style in the next entry in an interview from 2021 and people now are saying there is a rumour of a prequel game that takes place before Doom 64 judging by a comment here.
1: yes
2: hell essence
3: umbral plains, great steppe and the well
4:also yes
5: the deal was struck with khan maykr and maybe no
@@ThatGuy-ky2yf the prequel of doom 64 is doom 2 hell on earth
Yes. Turns out doomguy lead the demons to space Viking world by accident cause they we're following him. Later got god power, became doom slayer, killed a lot of demons like a bad mofo, later priest and Khan bitch learn about hell energy is cool and made argent energy through refine torture souls, doomguy and squad learn of bullshit, civil war happens in 40k planet, doomguy and squad travel to hell again to destroy soul refinery place but got trick instead and now separate, whole squad dies expect doomguy cause he cooler and betrayer dude. Doomguy goes on infinite killing spree to the point now all of hell demon learn what true fear is to one doomguy, later trap doom guy in rumble and rock knocking him out, put him in coffin motel hotel holiday inn as only means of stopping him, later doomguy wakes back up in another mars place because multiverse travel can happen in hell if you walk far enough, same bullshit that happen with his og mars place but now he cooler god power doomguy now with sicker power suit, stop demon invasion on Mars but robot squid guy stop him cause he thinks doomguy's gay and stupid and doomguy gets send off somewhere lame and stupid, later robot guy and squad fucked again so hell on earth the squeakqual happens. Then doom eternal occurs.
Just finished the ancient gods. Still just understand the half of it. Thanks for this elusive LSD trip :)
I really like the Bethesda DOOM lore and you do a great job pulling it all together🙏
Great vid. The Father might have good intentions but his own hubris was dictated his actions in the end. Not too different from the original creator. In the end, eveyone got owned by the Doom Slayer, including himself.
Thanks for watching. I agree with everything you said.
Doomguy is so powerful that he even owned himself
If the father didn’t stop devoth. Then eventually an Armageddon would still occur anyway. It was all a self fulfilling prophecy at the end.
Is it really accurate to call the father the villain? The father may have stolen the power of his creator, but it *was* because his creator had become very corrupt.
Had he, tho? I thought the corruption occured after they sealed him in his own realm. Before that he just wanted immortality for his people. I mean, we have no reason to trust the word of the Maykr., The Father, or any of these beings.
I'm with Doomguy on this one. Rip and Tear them all.
Davoth was the true hero of this story. Those pesky Maykrs
The Creator only became corrupt AFTER the Father stole his power, not before. Before he was loving being with benevolent goals.
How do you know Davoth became corrupt and that it wasn't just a lie? The Mykers do a lot of lying and it's clear that the story of Davoth we have been given has been altered to fit an anti-davoth narrative when in reality there is clearly a much bigger threat.
@@Skyrionn No...Davoth wanted to wipe out everyone. He was certainly not the hero.
Idk why but doom guy clicking the button to make a copy of vega the way he did was such a funny moment. Little touches like that add so mcuh personality somehow its great
Thank you for making this I cannot be bothered to read all the codexs’ and this helped me understand what is going on
the idea of a god turning itself into an AI for the purposes of doing more is honestly a stupidly compelling one IMO
Very well explained story. Thank you!
Wow great video bro, congratulations!
forgot to include the fact this all started cause doom guy was mad demons took and killed his bunny in an alternate time line that after he killed the 1990s icon of sin was kidnapped from that time line and made into the slayer
Hugo Martin said "only a primeval or something greater can defeat another primeval", and specifically says this is why Doom Guy was able to beat Davoth. So then how was the father, a creation of Davoth, able to beat him? By the laws of that multiverse, that should be impossible... Unless the father was being helped by something Greater, for example the being who created Davoth.
@@mado-wh4jv I feel like that completely undermines the importance of "only a primeval or greater can beat a primeval". Davoth is the most powerful being in the multiverse, until doom guy shows up.
I heard him say that the father was able to beat Davoth with some type of technology, so I guess that technology was just insanely powerful.
@@bringerofpain666the holy technology called Plot Convenience.
It's simple really, technically Davoth killed himself.
Great video!
I somehow feel like this is some unneccessarily complex story
The story may have many incoaistencies, but turning "God's" fate into being a computer program powered by Hell (IntHell Inside) was probably the most interesting aspect of all of this. Doom Guy's motivations and character development are a little weak, but it's a fun game that did everything right in terms of updating the franchise to new hardware.
Amazing content would love to see more!
its so cool how the beginning of your vid reads like higher dimensional scifi. like a creature that lived in such a higher realm that death wasnt a thing until it brought life to the 4th and 3rd dimension. which in of itself caused death to be a factor due to time being the 4th dimension.
How could the "external drive" sustain Vega, if it took extreme levels of heat/power to sustain him?
The external drive has enough space on it to hold his data. It does not have the capabilities to actually run him. IIRC, we don't hear from VEGA again after destroying the super computer he was on. It isn't until Doom Eternal that we actually hear from VEGA again, since Doomguy ends up putting VEGA inside the Fortress of Doom's system, which I'm assuming has insane levels of energy to power VEGA's data, seeing as it's Argenta tech.
Finally a lore video that explains that the doomslayer lost the divine power that he gained from the divinity machine that was powered by a shardof devoths soul sphere.
One of my favorite Microsoft games - the Doom universe and tech is unparalleled! great job!
They changed the Doom lore...
Originally Doom was basically biblical from the Christian religion, and now they changed into something completely different, and it is pretty dumb in my opinion.
What made Doom scary, good, and controversial in the original one at least was the fact that this was supposed to be based of the biblical story from the abrahamic religions. That is why in "Doom 3", you hear Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic. They also use a lot of symbol that you'll find religion and such.
They interviewed the people who made the first Doom as well as Doom 3 and confirmed it was the hell from the Bible. Now they remade it, and this is really stupid.
The fact such a big story beat was behind a paywalled DLC is such a modern gaming dick move.
29:38 "the destruction of The Well had resulted in unforeseen consequences"
you liked that one, did you? :)
12:43 *Wheeze*
Well That’s Some Godly Writing
Great video skyrionn.
Then 1 day Doom guy bursts from the warp and starts to hunt the terranids
Great job. Also just want to point out how the music brings out nudges of desperation (at least for me that is).
at 8:41 between the towers there, it looks like a face watching over the area
really great vid !
Gotta love a new Skyrionn drop
i like how doom and beserk has so many similar themes, such as a villainous version of God
Just wait until you find out about Enki and Enlil.
I mean this is pretty basic stuff happens in a lot of media but I guess most media don’t have a ragin protag like guts so
Look Up gnostic Christianity
Not just in Doom and Berserk. Fromsoft's RPG's are full of selfish, psychopathic, or otherwise malevolent deities wanting nothing but power and the ability to prolong their own existence.
these vids got that drip I need for my evening
Happy to help
In the beginning…(started to eat popcorn after a long day)
This was cool! My personal therapy was that given davoth couldn’t stop entropy (death) he was most likely an immensely powerful and long lived being that would appear to be immortal. I would also point out the fact that we (with some of his power) could kill him bolsters this.
I cannot be certain but im pretty sure this story was influenced by the wad Eviternity, which has basically the same plot. Except the villain is called "Archangelus"
now I'm curious if quake have any cool lore in it
Hello @Skyrionn. I wanted to ask and really hoping you can answer my question. At 1:21 in the clip, how are you able to no clip and move the camera during an in-game cutscene in real-time? I've been looking into how to do these myself for a long time without success. Would you be willing to share how you were able to do this?
Within the first minute of the video the whole hypothetical question made one quote come to mind
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
incredible job merci nouveau souscrit
I bought doom eternal on day one release like years ago... but after finishing it i never bothered with the DLCs ... after watching this i just bought the DLCs and will play the whole thing over again :)
I figure through truth for immortality to Devoth’s subjects was what the Conmaker discovered through Earth. Equivalent-exchange. Something of equal or greater value must be sacrificed. But it is folly because this act corrupts ultimately. Mankind was at the precipice itself when finding Ardent D’Nur.
What doesn’t make sense to me is how the doomslayer ‘loses’ his power but the father (who also got his power from the dark lord) is perfectly fine
The irony of course being that literally all the Father had to do to prevent any of this was to at some point decide that enough is enough and that perhaps the life of their creator was not as important as everybody else.
Also I never really understood why the Slayer decided to destroy the Sphere of the Father. It wasn't necessary to get the Sphere of the Dark Lord. Instead it just kind of seemed... petty and unnecessary.
I'm not too sure I'd call the Father a villian. It's not made clear (unless I missed something) if the Seraphim that became the Father was directly involved in imprisoning Davoth to begin with. But lets assume he was. All he ever really did was try to keep Hell contained and make sure the races and the Maykrs were left alone by Hell. I always argue that non of this might have happened had they not imprisoned Davoth to begin with. In the end, Samyr Makyr seems more of the secondary antagonist. But he is the will of the Father as well I suppose. It's a tough call. I'm curious what happens to the dimensions after the Gods influence has ceased. If they just kept their fingers in their own business, maybe peace would just have been natural.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
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I have feeling that there will be new doom game I just know it
Fathers get no breaks even in video games these days...
Thank you so much for such detailed lectures. I just listened to the part about Khan May kr, now I'm listening to this one. And may I ask, please, where did these drawings come from? 17:02, 17:37 Is it possible to view them in full size somewhere?
AWESOME!
Could you make a video on the Metroid (Prime) timeline?
Love it!
Wooww, good video :)
not saying he's neccesarily a "good guy", but he's not really the slayers enemy, helps him for the entire thing, albeit in the form of vega partially unaware (it's still the fathers personality). wouldnt call him a villain
he did might have done an oopsy or two though
What I still don't understand is the first 2 games. Are there multiple timelines that the Doom Guy jumped around so he basically relives what he did when he wasn't boosted by the divinity machine or there are multiple earths in other dimensions so the original earth is just doomed and destroyed?
If I'm not mistaken, there are multiple Earths.
The original earth was saved by doomguy in doom 2, doom 64 events. Teleport doomguy from hell to another universe, to the planet of argent d nur, was the first step, in a big genius plan of the dark lord, to destroy urdak, khan mayker, the father and to ressurect himself.
Lore like this makes me want to play Doom as a ttrpg
I dont feel like Father was either hero or villain, he was simply doing whatever it may have been he thought was right.
Hell, he doesn't even seem to completely mind nor be bothered by the fact he may never get to have a physical form ever again. Meaning he generally isn't going to be a bad guy. His past actions say he sort of was, but thats not who he was now. All his experiences as VEGA helped to bring something to him he never had before, which is the experience of a normal life. Albeit in a bit of a twisted way. Even if he wss a giant mechanical machine, he still interacted with humanity, talked to them, was friendly and made friends with them. Saw them go throughout their days so on and so forth. This is something he personally never ever did when he had his physical body. Giving him experiences that told him that it was likely for the best that he wasn't given his body back, nor could. As a sort of self punishment to himself for failing every single time on everything and so he may never be corrupted or tainted by evil ever, as his own race had been.
The real villain is whoever decided not to tell Devoth about the immortality findings.
amazing!
Thanks!
Doom Slayer is basicly a God of war but kills everything that's demonic or evil
Off topic - what is that song that plays during the Closing Thoughts section? It sounds familiar but I can't recall it.
This was great, well done!
Phenomenal!
The problem I forsee is that while the Doom Slayer destroyed the Fathers life sphere, where did all of that power go? Did it simply evaporate into the ether? It has to be out there somewhere, and the Father probably has a way to reaquire it with all the systems of Urdak at his disposal. It wouldnt surprise me if the next game was either during the Fathers attempt at aquiring his power or already has.
I am still hoping for the lovecraftian continuation
It's funny how VEGA needed 3 trillions of watts to work, then a small ship could power him. And the a pendrive!
Keep in mind that the sun itself gives off a shit load of watts and Sentinel batteries were shown to have stupid amounts of power in them. The real question is who TF thought that a MF as big as vega fits in a thumbdrive
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I wonder how things would've gone down had they not locked Davoth in Jekkad, then in a life sphere. Although we dont get many details of the reasoning they did so, other than his need to cure his peoples mortality would put existence in jeopardy. Well, they kinda put exisitence in jeopardy by locking him away, how much more worse could the former option be in retrospect. Of coarse he could have just learned through other means that the torment of mortal souls could power his peoples immortality, plus there wouldnt be a slayer in this scenerio. Maybe they did the right thing?
I hadno idea doom lore went so hard
There were moments in this game where it felt like Hayden was Vince McMahon and Doom Slayer was Austin.