Coming from Brazil I didn't know it was such a hassle to watch a entire card, here we have "combate" it's a Channel that only revolves around fighting and UFC is their priority, so from early prelims to main event in just one place
@@madaxwayne here in the US the prelims are on ESPN then the main card is on ESPN Plus and then you have to purchase the PPV from there and it takes you to another site lol. Such a mess.
Part of my thing with cutting so much weight is that the competitive advantage of fighting smaller guys is moot because some heavyweights are the only guys who fight at their natural weight, anyway. Everybody at 155 probably walks around at 20 or 30 pounds heavier even when they're in peak shape. I completely understand why weight classes need to exist, but if two guys are 185 at weigh-ins, but are both 208 when the fight actually happens it seems like it defeats the purpose.
But they DONT need 2 exist tho lol. They should have 2 stay around there weight like within 5 pds at All times the 2 weeks b4 a fight. The same way they have RANDOM drug tests they should Do random weight tests. If its CLEAR some1 was cutting a Bunch of weight 2 have an advantage then FINE THEM or suspend them. It makes NO SENSE. You can punish some1 for having weed in their system? From weeks b4? but weight cutting is okay? NOOO. They do it 4 an ADVANTAGE, if you're the BEST fighter Pd for pd then you should be able 2 stay AT YOUR WEIGHT and fight others AT YOUR WEIGHT. If every1 did that it wouldn't "Need 2 exist". In fact I'd argue it needs 2 NOT EXIST 2 determine who is actually the BEST FIGHTER. Also I wanna see 2 People in GREAT SHAPE fight each other. They arent at their BEST cuz they just pushed themselves for the weight cut. Its SOO COUNTER INTUITIVE and has ruined SOOO MANY Potential classics.
Yeah its really dumb it goes to the principal who is willing to cut so much weight they have advantage hence iv hydration , all these ways of losing water weight even when our brains our 70% water very dangerous
So imagine someone who is naturally 155 deciding to fight at 155, he'll have about 20-30 lbs disadvantage to his opponents. The fighters aren't cutting weight for advantages but to even the playing field. If weight cutting is legal, then there's no direct advantages to doing it because everyone is the same weight at the end of the day, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage if you aren't doing it. The change shouldn't be from the fighters, but from the commission
@@PickassoEnt Randomly texting fighters does not make sense. I am no fighter but I know that human weight is dynamic. The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect
@@pauljnr2470 yeah idk about texting them haha but that was just off the top of my head. Like hey you're already there 2 have them piss in a cup how hard is it 2 have them jump on a scale real quick? Yeah that 2.
The fact that someone was able to go 50-0 and retire an undefeated undisputed champion is truly bonkers and only one man has achieved such greatness. All hail Uncle Chael P. Sonnen
Cool! I have a cameo in an MMA on Point video! Yeah man, that 12-6 elbow rule needs to go. As an MMA referee, most of the rules make sense from a safety perspective, and I feel good about enforcing them- but that’s never been one of them. We already have a perfectly defined list of legal scoring areas where you can use any kind of strike… except the evil 12-6 elbow that must not be named. It just doesn’t make sense.
Chael only ever got defeated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on his supposed failed drug test. But we all know why Chael had 10 times the testosterone of everyone else, thats because he is 10 times the man of everyone else. A bum rap indeed
3:33 Funny thing is, Khabibs organisation (Khabib is Alis client) Eagle FC also has a lot of dominance MMA clients and they get favorable match up So Ali is the manager of the owner and also manages some fighters
@@gscryinlikeabitch ali is basically the ufc in human form has a monopsony on most of the best fighters in the world and takes a huge chunk of their earnings
9:43 the biggest issue with this situation is where you draw the line. For example, Lee/Chiesa or Lawler/Askren, how is the ref supposed to restart the match in those situations? Standing, someone in the guard, back in the position, but then is the elbow under the chin..?? It’s too vague
It's so simple to fix the weight cutting issue. You weigh in like 30 minutes before the fight. Even if you rehydrate you're going to feel like shit for like 3 hours so that won't work, it forces the fighters to fight at there actual weights instead of cutting. Giving them a full ass day to rehydrate basically makes weighing in completely pointless.
weird how one championship actually has solutions to some of these things (at least the idea of the solution). They have a unified rule set i.e.knees to grounded opponent, hey judge the fight as a whole with damage being the predominant factor, and they have hydration testing which i think is a step in the right direction if done leegit
Too bad One hasn’t been transparent at all with hydration tests, zero data is available. The way I understand it is.. everyone fights 10lbs up. Flyweights make 135, bantamweights weigh 145, etc.
In my opinion, a walk-around weight system maybe can work, maybe. Let's say we have two Welterweight fighters, one of them naturally weighs 179 lbs and the other one 181 lbs, and the upper limit of Welterweight is 185 lbs, there we don't have weight cutting so no fighter has advantage or is dehydrated on fight night.
I think the solution to weight cutting is simple: cap it. In the state that I wrestled in in HS, you weighed in at the start of the season. You were then only allowed to cut a certain percentage of that total throughout the season, and only allowed so much each week. You create a regulatory body to develop a system to make sure people weigh in once a year, at or near their natural “walking” weight. You then create ranges of these “walking” weights for each weight class. These will be developed by a panel of fighters, doctors, and nutritionists. This will not only keep the fighters safer, but also even the playing field, by a substantial amount.
We forget to realize how young the sport actually is. In perspective, MMA today is where baseball was holding in the early 1900s. It will continue to evolve and develop for many years to come.
Actually wait cutting is kind of going out of style. I know a lot of Fighters who just fight at their natural weight or go up or down 5 lb. Dana White UFC fighters in Bellator that are doing the same thing because weight cutting doesn't give you that great of an advantage so it's not really worth it.
I mean in fairness… getting a doctor to sign off on two people beating the ever living shit out of each other in the hopes of knocking one of the two unconscious is probably… probably a stretch to begin with. Doctors should’ve just said “look I’m gonna strongly recommend you do… none of this.” 😂
To avoid dangerous weight cuts just have a pre-fight weigh-in, same time the ref is checking fighters' gloves, mouth piece and body, if you're over the limit more than a pound or two as you're walking into the cage, then its the regular conditions of missed weight (cant win the title, 20% purse to opponent), if one fighter is almost skipping a weight class (like a lightweight at 154 fighting someone at 184, almost skipping welterweight going into middleweight) they should be able to pull out of the fight with no reprisals, because thats just an absurd mismatch that is not in the fighters contract, and if they agree, its purely exhibition fight and doesn't go to their record. Its so terrible for people who miss weight, that any cut they do will not be worth it. And improving fighter's health and safety outside the cage, and probably increasing performance. Nobody likes to watch a fight where both fighters get gassed halfway into the second round, where their coaches game plan finally starts working, and nearly every pro fighter says the weight cut is the worst part. They are already risking permanent injury, brain damage, and even death (although rare, still a possibility) so why add to the risk with arguably arbitrary weight classes. If both fighters weight 184.9 at weight in, and fight at 203 on fight night, why not just call the fight a light heavyweight since thats the weight they are actually fighting at? When was the last time you heard of a welterweight weighing in at 165 or lower?
Tai Tuivasa knows a thing or two about how effective elbows are, or should I be saying Derrick Lewis knows? Lol that fight was crazy I had Tai going into that one.
I felt so bad for Ricco Rodriguez when he lost that fight to Big Nog, he looked so great, and clearly dominated. It was his last great performance, and there's a part of me that thinks him unfairly losing that fight sapped his motivation going forward.
The rules almost were universal. The meeting where the new unified rules was introduced to all of the State Athletic Commissions. They had literally everyone in agreement but one; this moronic woman representing New Jersey who gave a long diatribe against the "barbaric" new rules, including claiming figures like Randy Couture knew nothing about the rules of MMA. Her speech broke the agreement, and led to various different states opting for their own ruleset.
Unfortunately that will never happen, at least in the current state of the ufc. They'd never sign off on forcing Kamaru Usman to move to light hw, while he's on his way to becoming the welterweight GOAT in the name of "fairness"
I think the 10 point system is best way to go. Ya, start trying to score fights by the individual move or completely ignore somebody sweeping the first 4 rounds only to then get rocked in the 5th and "lose the fight" by decision. That's stupid.
We just need better judges and accountability to said judges to ensure that their decision is not 100% final to the point they end up unfairly tarnishing fighters careers, records and legacies. Allowing scoring of 10-10 rounds into fights should happen as well.
Making the fighters weigh in 4 times throughout training camp at intervals makes more sense than holding a hard number at the end of camp. If the fighter starts camp at 182 and can only get to 168, and the opponent signs up got the fight at 160, it's a 160lbs fight. Make it about averages.
I think they must have gotten Mauricio Shogun mixed up with his brother Murilo Ninja. As Rampage beat Ninja in a decision and Shogun was pissed and wanted revenge.
Crazy how we almost romanticize the the term pro with high skill and a pay that reflects it. A professional is literally anyone who gets paid to do what they do. You cook for a living? Congratulations you're a professional cook. You might not be a chef but you're defenitely a professional. Proud of you champ
4:40 in california you go pro after 5 fights but basically semi pro: no shin pads and no elbows unless the guys agree to elbows…. You would be considered a sandbagger if done otherwise and wont get fights like you said
In Germany we have Dazn, wich is basically like Netflix. You can watch all of the Ufc (except the Prelims) and tons of other Pro Sports like Nba Nfl etc.
This. My brother and I both did Judo as well. Good luck weight cutting when you weigh in at 10am and fight at 12. Same with my Muay Thai matches. We never fought dudes that felt heavier than we were because they used the same system.
Moving the weight cut to the morning of would be a good way to stop dangerous weight cutting, one other possibility is to use the same method as Judo (at least for international tournaments) for example where you have the weigh on the day before the tournament and on the day of the tournament you can be requested to weigh in again and your weight can't exceed the weight class + 5% on the tournament day. A solution for the weight cut issue could lead to better fighter activity as they wouldn't need as much time to recover after the fight.
We used to have to weigh in literally an hour or two before the match. Now they do weigh ins the day before...but everyone is required to have already gotten their BMI tested weeks earlier. There is a minimum weight one is allowed to cut down to based on one's BMI. Yes, I know BMI doesn't differentiate between muscle content and fat content, but I would suggest that a system in which each competitor is analyzed and given a minimum safe weight, and where weigh ins are on day of the fight, would easily mitigate the over cutting risks.
I had an amateur fight once, but we had to change the rules a bit, I fought a guy with no arms who was only allowed to punch and I was only allowed to use the Force so match ended in a draw, never fought again. 🤷♀️
One good thing about the Globo/Zuffa deal in Brazil is that we have ufc at the Combate channel for a monthly subscription, it also has other promotions. Pretty sweet deal in comparison.
I think a good fix to the weight cut problem is, let’s use usman. When he’s not fighting he has to weigh in every two weeks within 10 lbs so anywhere from 160 to 180 then when he starts camp that’s usually what 12-16 weeks? They have to weigh in within 5lbs so 165-175 then final weigh in 170
ONE says they do hydration test, but they don’t show the “official” weigh ins, only the ceremony so there’s definitely something fishy going on in Singapore.
Easiest fix to the weight cutting problem? Easy, have the weigh-ins take place on the night of the fight. That alone will see people then fighting in their natural weight-class and not in a weight-loss competition. You can then increase the weigh-in discrepancy to perhaps +5lbs and if a fighter misses weight, then their purse is forfeited to their opponent. It would solve it all overnight.
Totally agree with the bs platform stuff. I found out about this the hard way. I already had fight pass. Bought the latest Conor vs Dustin PPV. Watched early prelims on fight pass. Had no way to watch the regular prelims....
The only reason I’m a UFC fan is becuz they put their prelims on Facebook back in the day. I was just scrolling one day when I was like 12 then saw a fight going on the rest is history, fell straight in love
If you want to eliminate weight cut, then you need to have a monitoring system, something similar to what IJF used to do, where competitors are monitored over a period of time, testing their weight, hydration, muscular density, and overall health condition. However this requires tweaking, as that also makes it not possible to get fixed opponents like in boxing and mma.
The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect. When people like Costa remember that they'd be fighting some heavyweights if they moved to LHW, they'd prefer to rather cut weight and stay in their weight class. With more weight classes, the weight differences is kinda spread out, and the whole idea weight advantage sort of disappears.
Ed has a win streak going for a few fights, Angie is always in pretty competitive fights, getting screwed by the decisions almost to a comical effect at this point, her next opponent also has the same thing happen, so we'll probably somehow see both fighters get screwed when it goes to the decision. And Dana seems to love Alvey so he's keeping him around, wouldn't be surprised if he gets one more to take away the longest losing streak from BJ Penn.
what about usada style weight ins? you keep the regular ones the day before, but there is also a surprise one in the week or two prior. and they both have to match.. or something like that
The way to fix weight cutting is by randomly weighing each fighters at least 3 or 4 times a year and they then fight at what they are typically walking around at. So if a fighter weighs in between 145lbs and 165lbs throughout the course of the last twelve months then they fight at 155 in their next fight and they are weighed before the fight to make sure they both weigh the same. Its pretty simple really
Feel like same day weigh ins as the fight would be the best solution to eliminate the problem. Theres always going to be people pushing it but i feel like people would be less likely to kill themselves on a weight cut if theyre fighting in a few hours
I actually have no problem with a 10-point must system. Unfortunately I feel like the judges make it out to be a lot more difficult than it actually is to score a fight. At least, I find myself scoring fights a lot closer to what's realistic and agreed upon in cases where the fight is really close.
One big problem with the 10 point system (other than inconsistent and at times incompetent judging) is the fact that 10-10 rounds cannot be scored. That means rounds which may as well be a tie (like what can be argued with Whittaker vs Adesanya 2) cannot be scored as such and need to be given a winner. A fight can only be a draw in MMA if a 10-8 round or a point deduction exists to even out the scoring.
@@azrael557 Only in special cases do they use them, for instance technical decisions. In normal judges decisions, it doesn't happen and in fact judges are actually discouraged from scoring fights 10-10 in these cases with implied penalties if they do.
I've got nothing to back this up, but even if 10-10 rounds were more common, I feel like judges would start using them as an easy option on any round that is remotely close. It's a lot easier to say "eh, it was pretty close I guess" and throw a 10-10 round in there.
The weight of a fighter in each weight class is easy to solve. You can be no more than 7 pounds over what you weigh in at on fight night. In other words if you fight at 185 the biggest you can be in the octogon is 192
That rule will affect the company more than the fighters, because a lot of fights would be canceled on fight night and it would be impossible to make adjustments. When fighters miss weight, the company needs time to find a replacement or convince the other fighter to take the fight regardless. The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect. When people like Costa remember that they'd be fighting some heavyweights if they moved to LHW, they'd prefer to rather cut weight and stay in their weight class. With more weight classes, the weight differences is kinda spread out, and the whole idea weight advantage sort of disappears.
I’d say for weight cuts, have them weigh in 2 days before and again backstage before the fight. If they go over before the fight then they lose 80% of their purse to encourage people fighting at their natural weights. If somebody sees a flaw with my idea please let me know, I’m curious to see what other fans think
As far as i know in most states u can only regain max 20% of your weight class for fight night. Still is all bts so commissions might ignore it at convenience but still there's a way to avoid truly horrendous weight disparities. Apparently Paulo Costa regained 19.9% of 185lbs one time for one of his fights and almost got into trouble.
Chael Sonnen goes even further and has said that missing weight should count as a loss and has even said fighters should lose their contracts over it. These types of proposals won't stop fighters from cutting weight but would ensure that they don't cut too dramatically.
What do you mean you forgot your login details the main events about to start, actually cracked me up ahah, I’ve never bought a PPV myself always watch the fights afterwards a few months later or just highlights but I would hate for this to happen 😂.
The real detriment to weight cuts, as it relates to performance, is the lack of electrolytes. That makes it harder for your brain to send commands through your nerves to your muscles. Just weigh in the day of, or punish fighters who are heavier the day of than they are the day of the ceremonial weigh in. We call them ceremonial for a reason.
We need hydration tests like ONE championships, we just need to not be so sketchy about it lol and have it open to the public and unbiased commissions. I feel like ONE might let fighters have a size advantage if its in their best interest, like when DJ and other UFC fighters were fighting. They also don't test for drugs lol. But yeah hydration tests seem good. And maybe random weight tests during the lead-up to fights.
Dude.... I know you know MMA so the fact that you can't wrap your head around the 12-6 is killing me. An elbow at an angle is already scary enough with the amount of damage it causes. The pure force you can bring your elbow down on a 12-6 is crazy. I AGREE these elbows should be illegal. Could you imagine a guy like Francis Nganuu dropping 12-6 elbows on his opponents? The very small difference in the angle of your elbow takes a lot off it. You're better then this my man..
10 point must means from what I know that there must be a winner in a round no 9-9 round or tied rounds. I never heard of a 10-10 round with that said I had never seen or heard of a 10-8 round till about 4 month ago at least in mma. I'm sure it'll become a thing we see more often
That Skyrim soul binding edit was class
I was about to say it when i saw your comment. Edit on point
To bad Baliun is narrating, gotta skip this video
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@@craig1870 that's how I feel about Jake Baldino from Gameranx
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Coming from Brazil I didn't know it was such a hassle to watch a entire card, here we have "combate" it's a Channel that only revolves around fighting and UFC is their priority, so from early prelims to main event in just one place
same in england
we have bt and all the fights are shown on that channel only and highlights like a day after on youtube
@@madaxwayne here in the US the prelims are on ESPN then the main card is on ESPN Plus and then you have to purchase the PPV from there and it takes you to another site lol. Such a mess.
but if you stream the fights for free then you can hit one link and watch from early prelims all the way to PPV Main event
@@joshuamullins5451 bruh don't blame u I would do the same it's their damn fault anyways
Part of my thing with cutting so much weight is that the competitive advantage of fighting smaller guys is moot because some heavyweights are the only guys who fight at their natural weight, anyway. Everybody at 155 probably walks around at 20 or 30 pounds heavier even when they're in peak shape. I completely understand why weight classes need to exist, but if two guys are 185 at weigh-ins, but are both 208 when the fight actually happens it seems like it defeats the purpose.
But they DONT need 2 exist tho lol. They should have 2 stay around there weight like within 5 pds at All times the 2 weeks b4 a fight. The same way they have RANDOM drug tests they should Do random weight tests. If its CLEAR some1 was cutting a Bunch of weight 2 have an advantage then FINE THEM or suspend them. It makes NO SENSE. You can punish some1 for having weed in their system? From weeks b4? but weight cutting is okay? NOOO. They do it 4 an ADVANTAGE, if you're the BEST fighter Pd for pd then you should be able 2 stay AT YOUR WEIGHT and fight others AT YOUR WEIGHT. If every1 did that it wouldn't "Need 2 exist". In fact I'd argue it needs 2 NOT EXIST 2 determine who is actually the BEST FIGHTER. Also I wanna see 2 People in GREAT SHAPE fight each other. They arent at their BEST cuz they just pushed themselves for the weight cut. Its SOO COUNTER INTUITIVE and has ruined SOOO MANY Potential classics.
Yeah its really dumb it goes to the principal who is willing to cut so much weight they have advantage hence iv hydration , all these ways of losing water weight even when our brains our 70% water very dangerous
So imagine someone who is naturally 155 deciding to fight at 155, he'll have about 20-30 lbs disadvantage to his opponents. The fighters aren't cutting weight for advantages but to even the playing field. If weight cutting is legal, then there's no direct advantages to doing it because everyone is the same weight at the end of the day, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage if you aren't doing it. The change shouldn't be from the fighters, but from the commission
@@PickassoEnt Randomly texting fighters does not make sense. I am no fighter but I know that human weight is dynamic. The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect
@@pauljnr2470 yeah idk about texting them haha but that was just off the top of my head. Like hey you're already there 2 have them piss in a cup how hard is it 2 have them jump on a scale real quick? Yeah that 2.
The fact that someone was able to go 50-0 and retire an undefeated undisputed champion is truly bonkers and only one man has achieved such greatness. All hail Uncle Chael P. Sonnen
@Dino Vasiljevic Uncle chael
@Dino Vasiljevic Uncle Chael
@Dino Vasiljevic Uncle Chael
@Dino Vasiljevic ugh, another weirdo with no sense of humor that feels the need to tell people their opinion when no one asked lmao. so weird.
@Dino Vasiljevic Uncle Chael
Cool! I have a cameo in an MMA on Point video! Yeah man, that 12-6 elbow rule needs to go. As an MMA referee, most of the rules make sense from a safety perspective, and I feel good about enforcing them- but that’s never been one of them. We already have a perfectly defined list of legal scoring areas where you can use any kind of strike… except the evil 12-6 elbow that must not be named. It just doesn’t make sense.
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The fact that defies logic the most is the fact that Chael is undefeated in all major organizations, and on the street.
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Chael only ever got defeated by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on his supposed failed drug test. But we all know why Chael had 10 times the testosterone of everyone else, thats because he is 10 times the man of everyone else. A bum rap indeed
@@sticktothefacts8905 So many language in this world and you chose to speak facts.
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Funny thing is, Khabibs organisation (Khabib is Alis client) Eagle FC also has a lot of dominance MMA clients and they get favorable match up
So Ali is the manager of the owner and also manages some fighters
Are you surprised a terrorist is sketchy?
@@gscryinlikeabitch ali is basically the ufc in human form
has a monopsony on most of the best fighters in the world and takes a huge chunk of their earnings
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@@madaxwayne So the EFC will only offer marginally better pay to it's fighters when compared to the UFC ?
1:40 actually this is true. Zuffa still owns the UFC, because Endeavor didn't just buy UFC, they bought Zuffa and all of its subsidiaries.
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Loving the clean collaboration of cleverness and comedy blended with solid MMA status and opinions. A+++
9:43 the biggest issue with this situation is where you draw the line. For example, Lee/Chiesa or Lawler/Askren, how is the ref supposed to restart the match in those situations? Standing, someone in the guard, back in the position, but then is the elbow under the chin..?? It’s too vague
Mario is just letting you “go out on your shield…” also known as dying.
It's so simple to fix the weight cutting issue. You weigh in like 30 minutes before the fight.
Even if you rehydrate you're going to feel like shit for like 3 hours so that won't work, it forces the fighters to fight at there actual weights instead of cutting.
Giving them a full ass day to rehydrate basically makes weighing in completely pointless.
Mario "If he dies, he dies." Yamasaki is pretty iconic.
weird how one championship actually has solutions to some of these things (at least the idea of the solution). They have a unified rule set i.e.knees to grounded opponent, hey judge the fight as a whole with damage being the predominant factor, and they have hydration testing which i think is a step in the right direction if done leegit
Too bad One hasn’t been transparent at all with hydration tests, zero data is available. The way I understand it is.. everyone fights 10lbs up. Flyweights make 135, bantamweights weigh 145, etc.
Bullshit. Weighs in are behind the closed doors, very trustable.
I didn't say one was legit im just saying their concept of hydration testing is a step in the right direction even if they don't really follow it
In my opinion, a walk-around weight system maybe can work, maybe.
Let's say we have two Welterweight fighters, one of them naturally weighs 179 lbs and the other one 181 lbs, and the upper limit of Welterweight is 185 lbs, there we don't have weight cutting so no fighter has advantage or is dehydrated on fight night.
Video suggestion.. 10 big wins that ultimately lead to nothing? By either poor booking or just the fighter unable to follow up on it
I think the solution to weight cutting is simple: cap it. In the state that I wrestled in in HS, you weighed in at the start of the season. You were then only allowed to cut a certain percentage of that total throughout the season, and only allowed so much each week. You create a regulatory body to develop a system to make sure people weigh in once a year, at or near their natural “walking” weight. You then create ranges of these “walking” weights for each weight class. These will be developed by a panel of fighters, doctors, and nutritionists. This will not only keep the fighters safer, but also even the playing field, by a substantial amount.
Hydration test before the weigh in.
If you're dangerously dehydrated you don't fight.....probably would ruin a lot of cards at first.
What if you cut 20 pounds before the initial way in before the season? Your starting point would be way lower than your natural walking weight
In Australia it's all on fightpass, $10 a month covers all the prelims/fight nights and the ppvs are $55.
We forget to realize how young the sport actually is. In perspective, MMA today is where baseball was holding in the early 1900s. It will continue to evolve and develop for many years to come.
One solution to the weigh in issues could be multiple weigh ins during fight week making it impossible to cut much
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Actually wait cutting is kind of going out of style. I know a lot of Fighters who just fight at their natural weight or go up or down 5 lb. Dana White UFC fighters in Bellator that are doing the same thing because weight cutting doesn't give you that great of an advantage so it's not really worth it.
I mean in fairness… getting a doctor to sign off on two people beating the ever living shit out of each other in the hopes of knocking one of the two unconscious is probably… probably a stretch to begin with.
Doctors should’ve just said “look I’m gonna strongly recommend you do… none of this.” 😂
To avoid dangerous weight cuts just have a pre-fight weigh-in, same time the ref is checking fighters' gloves, mouth piece and body, if you're over the limit more than a pound or two as you're walking into the cage, then its the regular conditions of missed weight (cant win the title, 20% purse to opponent), if one fighter is almost skipping a weight class (like a lightweight at 154 fighting someone at 184, almost skipping welterweight going into middleweight) they should be able to pull out of the fight with no reprisals, because thats just an absurd mismatch that is not in the fighters contract, and if they agree, its purely exhibition fight and doesn't go to their record.
Its so terrible for people who miss weight, that any cut they do will not be worth it. And improving fighter's health and safety outside the cage, and probably increasing performance. Nobody likes to watch a fight where both fighters get gassed halfway into the second round, where their coaches game plan finally starts working, and nearly every pro fighter says the weight cut is the worst part. They are already risking permanent injury, brain damage, and even death (although rare, still a possibility) so why add to the risk with arguably arbitrary weight classes. If both fighters weight 184.9 at weight in, and fight at 203 on fight night, why not just call the fight a light heavyweight since thats the weight they are actually fighting at? When was the last time you heard of a welterweight weighing in at 165 or lower?
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I think McGregor was 168 for the 2nd Diaz fight but other than that nobody is more than 1 pound under the maximum
@@andyying1770 Adesanya was 201 against Jan
Tai Tuivasa knows a thing or two about how effective elbows are, or should I be saying Derrick Lewis knows? Lol that fight was crazy I had Tai going into that one.
I felt so bad for Ricco Rodriguez when he lost that fight to Big Nog, he looked so great, and clearly dominated. It was his last great performance, and there's a part of me that thinks him unfairly losing that fight sapped his motivation going forward.
This page has the best edits that have me dying from start to finish. I don’t think there’s enough credit on the writing of these videos.
The Silva, Weidman, Hall triangle is simulation theory confirmed.
The rules almost were universal. The meeting where the new unified rules was introduced to all of the State Athletic Commissions. They had literally everyone in agreement but one; this moronic woman representing New Jersey who gave a long diatribe against the "barbaric" new rules, including claiming figures like Randy Couture knew nothing about the rules of MMA. Her speech broke the agreement, and led to various different states opting for their own ruleset.
I will never forget when Seteve Mazadummy gave Anthony "Rumble" a TKO loss after he was eye poked.
Fix weight cutting by only letting a fighter gain AT MAX 5% of the weight from weight in... That makes the most sense to me
Unfortunately that will never happen, at least in the current state of the ufc. They'd never sign off on forcing Kamaru Usman to move to light hw, while he's on his way to becoming the welterweight GOAT in the name of "fairness"
Sometimes i find the editor can be too much for yall but he had me laughing throughout this video. Kudos
I think the 10 point system is best way to go. Ya, start trying to score fights by the individual move or completely ignore somebody sweeping the first 4 rounds only to then get rocked in the 5th and "lose the fight" by decision. That's stupid.
Should not be judges for main cards. They should end when the first person taps, quits, or passes out
If they can't do that then at least overtime for fights that end in draws. That's so stupid.
@@christophervalverde3096 umm... what lol
@@thomaskobylas1268 can you read thomas
We just need better judges and accountability to said judges to ensure that their decision is not 100% final to the point they end up unfairly tarnishing fighters careers, records and legacies. Allowing scoring of 10-10 rounds into fights should happen as well.
Ramsey and Icy Mike getting some shine. Lets go.
10 fighters who are never in a boring fight
Joe Lauzon
DP, Brian Ortega, Gaethje
When I boxed in college, we had to make weight the morning of our fight. This held us to our true weight much more effectively.
I like that Izzy chose the weight class closest to his natural weight, so he doesn't have to cut a lot of weight.
............................. You are kidding right?
Making the fighters weigh in 4 times throughout training camp at intervals makes more sense than holding a hard number at the end of camp. If the fighter starts camp at 182 and can only get to 168, and the opponent signs up got the fight at 160, it's a 160lbs fight.
Make it about averages.
Was Shogun vs Rampage a questionable decision? I remember it being Rampage getting stomped down and stopped in minutes.
I think they must have gotten Mauricio Shogun mixed up with his brother Murilo Ninja. As Rampage beat Ninja in a decision and Shogun was pissed and wanted revenge.
@@snicka Yea he meant Ninja. Rampage even acknowledged he felt like he lost the Ninja fight
When you said “ from bloodsports to cobra Kai” I genuinely laughed 😂 0:26
Crazy how we almost romanticize the the term pro with high skill and a pay that reflects it. A professional is literally anyone who gets paid to do what they do. You cook for a living? Congratulations you're a professional cook. You might not be a chef but you're defenitely a professional. Proud of you champ
What a great list, I’m surprised to never see anything like this before
4:40 in california you go pro after 5 fights but basically semi pro: no shin pads and no elbows unless the guys agree to elbows…. You would be considered a sandbagger if done otherwise and wont get fights like you said
It's incredibly easy to watch an entire card from the early prelims all the way thru to the main card.
In Germany we have Dazn, wich is basically like Netflix. You can watch all of the Ufc (except the Prelims) and tons of other Pro Sports like Nba Nfl etc.
You can do the weight in right before the fight. Like judo in the olympics
This. My brother and I both did Judo as well. Good luck weight cutting when you weigh in at 10am and fight at 12. Same with my Muay Thai matches. We never fought dudes that felt heavier than we were because they used the same system.
Moving the weight cut to the morning of would be a good way to stop dangerous weight cutting, one other possibility is to use the same method as Judo (at least for international tournaments) for example where you have the weigh on the day before the tournament and on the day of the tournament you can be requested to weigh in again and your weight can't exceed the weight class + 5% on the tournament day. A solution for the weight cut issue could lead to better fighter activity as they wouldn't need as much time to recover after the fight.
We used to have to weigh in literally an hour or two before the match. Now they do weigh ins the day before...but everyone is required to have already gotten their BMI tested weeks earlier. There is a minimum weight one is allowed to cut down to based on one's BMI. Yes, I know BMI doesn't differentiate between muscle content and fat content, but I would suggest that a system in which each competitor is analyzed and given a minimum safe weight, and where weigh ins are on day of the fight, would easily mitigate the over cutting risks.
Holy shit Ramsey Dewey made it to the video twice hahaha I love it
Ramsey Dewey sighting! Gotta love that
I had an amateur fight once, but we had to change the rules a bit, I fought a guy with no arms who was only allowed to punch and I was only allowed to use the Force so match ended in a draw, never fought again. 🤷♀️
The snuck in memes are getting better each video
One good thing about the Globo/Zuffa deal in Brazil is that we have ufc at the Combate channel for a monthly subscription, it also has other promotions. Pretty sweet deal in comparison.
I think a good fix to the weight cut problem is, let’s use usman. When he’s not fighting he has to weigh in every two weeks within 10 lbs so anywhere from 160 to 180 then when he starts camp that’s usually what 12-16 weeks? They have to weigh in within 5lbs so 165-175 then final weigh in 170
Eddies contract breaking all sorts of laws and there are still people saying that fighers dont deserve better contracts lol
ONE says they do hydration test, but they don’t show the “official” weigh ins, only the ceremony so there’s definitely something fishy going on in Singapore.
The comedy in this script is top tier.
Very cool to see a montage featuring Icy Mike!
1:03 that was genuinely 💰
watching a UFC event has never been more easier than doing it through an illegal stream
you dont need to change shit
Easiest fix to the weight cutting problem? Easy, have the weigh-ins take place on the night of the fight. That alone will see people then fighting in their natural weight-class and not in a weight-loss competition. You can then increase the weigh-in discrepancy to perhaps +5lbs and if a fighter misses weight, then their purse is forfeited to their opponent. It would solve it all overnight.
Totally agree with the bs platform stuff. I found out about this the hard way. I already had fight pass. Bought the latest Conor vs Dustin PPV. Watched early prelims on fight pass. Had no way to watch the regular prelims....
That outro music 🔥, great video too
The 10 point system is basically where they start with 10 points and get deducted from there throughout the fight
The only reason I’m a UFC fan is becuz they put their prelims on Facebook back in the day. I was just scrolling one day when I was like 12 then saw a fight going on the rest is history, fell straight in love
If you want to eliminate weight cut, then you need to have a monitoring system, something similar to what IJF used to do, where competitors are monitored over a period of time, testing their weight, hydration, muscular density, and overall health condition. However this requires tweaking, as that also makes it not possible to get fixed opponents like in boxing and mma.
The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect. When people like Costa remember that they'd be fighting some heavyweights if they moved to LHW, they'd prefer to rather cut weight and stay in their weight class. With more weight classes, the weight differences is kinda spread out, and the whole idea weight advantage sort of disappears.
What really defies logic is that Ed Herman is still in the UFC. Better yet, Angela Hill and Sam Alvey are still in the UFC. 🙄
Ed has a win streak going for a few fights, Angie is always in pretty competitive fights, getting screwed by the decisions almost to a comical effect at this point, her next opponent also has the same thing happen, so we'll probably somehow see both fighters get screwed when it goes to the decision. And Dana seems to love Alvey so he's keeping him around, wouldn't be surprised if he gets one more to take away the longest losing streak from BJ Penn.
i don't understand why people are objecting to a man earning his livelihood
@@burraq1.032 he can earn his live hood digging ditches or whatever and let a better fighter to get his place in the UFC
judges should absolutely face consequences and there needs to be ONE. CLEAR. unified scoring system
what about usada style weight ins? you keep the regular ones the day before, but there is also a surprise one in the week or two prior. and they both have to match..
or something like that
The way to fix weight cutting is by randomly weighing each fighters at least 3 or 4 times a year and they then fight at what they are typically walking around at. So if a fighter weighs in between 145lbs and 165lbs throughout the course of the last twelve months then they fight at 155 in their next fight and they are weighed before the fight to make sure they both weigh the same. Its pretty simple really
Paddy Pimblett would be in heavyweight if they weigh him outside of fight camp
Loved this video lol so true. Everything
Bayliun is actually my favorite
'irreversable mistakes' LOL the irony is so perfect i have to assume it was deliberate
Good to see icy mike in the Beginning of the video 🤘🏻
Have a height class rather than weight class lol, have DC fight O’Milley 😂
4:18 this is changing. MMA and UFC especially is getting mainstream
Feel like same day weigh ins as the fight would be the best solution to eliminate the problem. Theres always going to be people pushing it but i feel like people would be less likely to kill themselves on a weight cut if theyre fighting in a few hours
I actually have no problem with a 10-point must system. Unfortunately I feel like the judges make it out to be a lot more difficult than it actually is to score a fight. At least, I find myself scoring fights a lot closer to what's realistic and agreed upon in cases where the fight is really close.
One big problem with the 10 point system (other than inconsistent and at times incompetent judging) is the fact that 10-10 rounds cannot be scored. That means rounds which may as well be a tie (like what can be argued with Whittaker vs Adesanya 2) cannot be scored as such and need to be given a winner. A fight can only be a draw in MMA if a 10-8 round or a point deduction exists to even out the scoring.
@@madgavin7568 10-10s can be scored, they just never use them for some reason.
@@azrael557 Only in special cases do they use them, for instance technical decisions. In normal judges decisions, it doesn't happen and in fact judges are actually discouraged from scoring fights 10-10 in these cases with implied penalties if they do.
I've got nothing to back this up, but even if 10-10 rounds were more common, I feel like judges would start using them as an easy option on any round that is remotely close. It's a lot easier to say "eh, it was pretty close I guess" and throw a 10-10 round in there.
@@mrnickb Better then giving the round to the other fighter who didn't win it.
Is bailan the only employee now? Lol
The weight of a fighter in each weight class is easy to solve. You can be no more than 7 pounds over what you weigh in at on fight night. In other words if you fight at 185 the biggest you can be in the octogon is 192
That rule will affect the company more than the fighters, because a lot of fights would be canceled on fight night and it would be impossible to make adjustments. When fighters miss weight, the company needs time to find a replacement or convince the other fighter to take the fight regardless. The only way to end heavy weight cutting is to create more weight classes, that way it won't be a massive move up or massive move down for fighters. It's working for boxing, massive weight cutting still happens in boxing, but it's so little compared to mma. For example, if there's cruiserweight in the ufc, some LHWs would move up and some middleweights would move to LHW. The same thing happens if there's 165 some 155ers would move up and some other featherweights would also move up. It creates sort of a ripple effect. When people like Costa remember that they'd be fighting some heavyweights if they moved to LHW, they'd prefer to rather cut weight and stay in their weight class. With more weight classes, the weight differences is kinda spread out, and the whole idea weight advantage sort of disappears.
Ayyy that guy from Eternal MMA at around the 4:30 mark coaches the MMA class I take
where's Tommy? he usually has a vid out by now or more than what he's had in the last bit of uploads
I’d say for weight cuts, have them weigh in 2 days before and again backstage before the fight. If they go over before the fight then they lose 80% of their purse to encourage people fighting at their natural weights. If somebody sees a flaw with my idea please let me know, I’m curious to see what other fans think
As far as i know in most states u can only regain max 20% of your weight class for fight night. Still is all bts so commissions might ignore it at convenience but still there's a way to avoid truly horrendous weight disparities. Apparently Paulo Costa regained 19.9% of 185lbs one time for one of his fights and almost got into trouble.
Chael Sonnen goes even further and has said that missing weight should count as a loss and has even said fighters should lose their contracts over it. These types of proposals won't stop fighters from cutting weight but would ensure that they don't cut too dramatically.
What do you mean you forgot your login details the main events about to start, actually cracked me up ahah, I’ve never bought a PPV myself always watch the fights afterwards a few months later or just highlights but I would hate for this to happen 😂.
Loved Ali’s intro😂
what about 3 weigh-in average over 2 weeks before the fight ?
The real detriment to weight cuts, as it relates to performance, is the lack of electrolytes. That makes it harder for your brain to send commands through your nerves to your muscles. Just weigh in the day of, or punish fighters who are heavier the day of than they are the day of the ceremonial weigh in. We call them ceremonial for a reason.
I know this is an MMA video, but I liked seeing Treylon and KJ with that collegiate level clip. Sure Bryce Mitchell won’t mind either
Fight pass is great in New Zealand, I see all prelims and can pay for the pay per view on it too.
2 years later...
I love it 🎉
We need hydration tests like ONE championships, we just need to not be so sketchy about it lol and have it open to the public and unbiased commissions. I feel like ONE might let fighters have a size advantage if its in their best interest, like when DJ and other UFC fighters were fighting. They also don't test for drugs lol. But yeah hydration tests seem good. And maybe random weight tests during the lead-up to fights.
Dude.... I know you know MMA so the fact that you can't wrap your head around the 12-6 is killing me. An elbow at an angle is already scary enough with the amount of damage it causes. The pure force you can bring your elbow down on a 12-6 is crazy. I AGREE these elbows should be illegal. Could you imagine a guy like Francis Nganuu dropping 12-6 elbows on his opponents? The very small difference in the angle of your elbow takes a lot off it. You're better then this my man..
Here in Argentina its literally just ufc fight, one payment, the whole card, and one pound goes faaaar :D
Early Prelims are on ESPN+ here in the U.S. on both PPV's and the fight nights
Cool to see Hard2Hurt in the opening!
As much as I’ll always miss Tommy ToeHold, I’m a big fan of this channel.
Keep up the good content ❤
Love this episode
One way to eliminate the weight problem is having fighters weigh in on the day of the event
10 point must means from what I know that there must be a winner in a round no 9-9 round or tied rounds. I never heard of a 10-10 round with that said I had never seen or heard of a 10-8 round till about 4 month ago at least in mma. I'm sure it'll become a thing we see more often
Top 10 Fighters with the most Blackbelts (Plus highest Blackbelt rank)
IT COMPLETELY DEFIES LOGIC HOW YOU HAVENT DONE TOP 10 UNDEFEATED MMA FIGHTERS YET WHEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEAS FOR VIDEOS