History of WWI Primer 055: French Contract Winchester 1894 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Winchester Repeating Arms Company " Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981
Herbert G. Houze
Winchester Model 94 : A century of Craftsmanship
Robert C. Renneberg
The Mystery of the Model 1894 Belgian congo Carbines Resolved?
Michael Carrick
Winchester Firearms Exports to France in World War I
Michael Carrick
The Spruce Production Division
Gerald W. Williams
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After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
My 94 in 30/30 is 1950 manufacture. Excellent condition, blueing and wood look great.
Great fun to play "cowboy" at the range.
This is a shooter and will be passed to my kids, grandkids or beyond.
Love the sneak in with "war were declared."
Thank you for yet another wonderful video, Bear-Man and Forest-Woman.
Leif Leppala We aim to please.
They do it because they're there lad, and no one else.
Water-Cowboy, not Forest-Woman
The hell with sleep, teach me the wonders of the whimsical Winchester, Othais
calvin langford On the other side of the atlantic, timing's better: there's a C&R video to watch after waking up. Fits my transport time, too. :p
Who says there is no poetry in engineering?
A tip : you can watch series on flixzone. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies recently.
@Rogelio Kannon definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for since november myself :D
Pfft, sleep when you’re dead, dude.
A couple of days ago I bought a Winchester 1894 made in 1919. I have a 1892 also. The 1892 can be cycled slowly and it is still very smooth. If the 1894 is cycled slowly it does have that hangup, but if cycled quickly it is almost as smooth as the 1892.
i got a Winchester 94 made in 1962, and yea i learned quick if you go too slow it doesn’t like that much and it had me going ah fudge bullet stuck, but that was early on now i know you gotta give it a firm crack and follow through.
You can absolutely slowly cycle a 94, 92`s do not like nice. You gotta Stroke a '92.
I have a model 1894 made in 1915, but I need the rear sight like the one in the video. Do you know where I can find one?
@@Hidalguense specifically the metric version, or the standard one?
@@furrowingowl5906i could not tell you, i dont know the diference. Sorry
It's amazing how much research went into finding the lost French Winchester '94s. No wonder it took so long though. Its very exciting that there's still things to discover.
When it comes to Winchesters in the Belgian Congo there is also a mention in Heart of Darkness. Marlow says "The pilgrims had opened with their Winchesters, and were simply squirting lead into that bush." (p.74). So aside from the wonderful Freudian imagery it seems Conrad saw them there in 1908. (So not the French contract, for what that's worth.)
You know, now that I think about it, I might be a geek.
Another great episode.
Yeah, there was definitely an affinity for lever actions there.
When I asked for a Winchester special, silly me thought it would be one special with 1892's, 94s, 95s, and 97s. BUT NOOOOoooo! You are able to fill a whole show with one gun at a time. AWESOMENESS!
I'm just a simple man, trying to keep a decent sleep schedule. But when a C&Rsenal video posts, I pour another drink and Play.
I love how you collaborate with other gun channels. I had to order one of Ian's shirts along with yours. I don't know why I love those French rifles so much. I'm excited about you rerecording the Lebel and Berthier episodes eventually.
Back to the Winchester, my dad has a '94 he bought like 20 years ago. Unfortunately it's from 1965, missing the mark by a year for a more collectible rifle. Oh well, it's still a great rifle. I remember being ten years old and shooting the thing because my dad said it wouldn't kick. I nearly dropped the rifle after my arm went numb from the recoil. I still love that rifle.
It's a perfectly fine weapon to include. Heck, some of the more obscure handguns you've covered had production around this number. It's relevant to many tales of the war many have ever heard
*never
The part about the Signal Corps using them in a lumber dispute is great.
These guys just keep getting better and better.thank you
I mean.. thanks for the awesone videos
Thanks for watching!
Tuesday morning coffee time and a boat load of cookies for me.
Johnny B did it again, and Mae is having a blast, while Othais is lecturing the classroom. Awesome cowboy hat, Mae!
Neptune Bluez Hey thanks!
As to the point about the 30-30 Winchester being many Americans' 1st rifle chambering: it was certainly mine. Over the course of 1 year when I was 13 and then 14, I was presented with a Marlin Model 60S .22lr, a Mossberg 500 12gauge and a Marlin Model 30AS in .30-.30 Winchester. As an idiot 20 year old I sold them to a cousin, who was a real 'piece of work' as they used to say, and now 30 years later, it still saddens me. Now, I buy, I don't sell.
"Would you take this rifle on a boat to keep uboats from staying afloat?
Would you take it in a trench then up on over a barbed wire fence?
It was issued to couriers in a pinch and could brought to action in a sinch
After winning the west it would give quite a scare, if you pointed this at a Germans derriere
For an 1894 that's all I can say, so let's get this over to Mae"
I would not take this rifle on a boat.
I would not take this rifle to keep uboats from staying afloat.
I would not take this rifle in a trench.
I would not take this rifle in a sinch.
I would not choose this rifle in a pinch.
Here’s my model 94 tale. I only wish you could see what it looks like…stunning. Expect see it on the cover of American Rifleman some day. Manufactured 11 June 1898 and delivered to my family in 1899. My father took it everywhere as he was a Maine hunter. The buck head on my family room wall over the fireplace was shot in Maine by him as a youngster probably around 1935. It accompanied him to his diplomatic assignment in Vietnam in 1950 when he used it tiger hunting with Emperor Bao Dai. He took it with him to Japan in the late 1950s for bear hunting in Hokkaido. While in Japan he had it overhauled. Steel engraving, along with silver inlay engraving, and reblued and restocked in tiger eye maple. It is stunning! I starting out seeking the 32-40 ammo for it in 1976 and sourced both old green boxes of Winchester ammo and saved brass at Sutter’s in Colorado Springs. Years later I discovered I could reshape 30-30 into 32-40 but then troubled finding rifle bullets in .32-so I found a couple of antique Winchester 32-165 bullet molds and began to make my own. It is a very mild shooting rifle, with a significant provenance. In the looks department there is no equal. Ser. no. is 115983. I have no regrets that my father had it restored when in Japan. They are true gun craftsmen. Very much enjoyed your history lesson, on the model 94. Mine was very much a Maine hunting rifle until it went globally with us on various Air Force assignments. I can only suspect my grandfather took original delivery of it in 1899. Thanks again for a lot of history!
Interestingly, the Winchester 1895 does the same thing with exposing all the guts, but during Ian and Karl's mud test of that rifle, they didn't have much of an issue with that. Just an interesting bit to share, because I'm dubious as to whether or not that would have actually been a problem.
When it comes to mud I think the most important thing for either rifle is the simply keep the action closed as much as possible. As long it remains closed there isn't really any way for crap to get into the action. However if it is open and it gets dropped in the mud, or something like that, then it is probably done for until it is disassembled for a proper cleaning. This is also true of most rifles, and not just the Winchester's though.
How_Terrible It has much more to do with how well sealed up the action is, versus whether the action is open or closed.
The design of the Winchesters is such that when it's closed it's Very tightly closed, and it's shaped so it doesn't offer much of a 'shelf' for mud to sit on and wait to jump into the action like most of the bolt-actions we've seen. Also when open those guts hang out the Bottom of the action where it's shielded by the receiver itself.
Leslie48 Yes the Winchesters seal very tightly
Yeah, the Mud Test was an eye opener and explained why the 95 seemed so popular with the Russians.
As a weapon lover , it's an amazingly interesting show .
Bravo from France
"dope hat, not as dope hat" She speaks the truth, man.
She should have said "castro hat".
I was about to go to bed also. The fact is I would watch your show for just May shooting (I love her smile as she looks at her target). But your information is first class. Keep up the good work.
As a Pennsylvanian, I have a strange, natural urge to own a Winchester 1894.
borekfk - Every American should own a Winchester.☺
30 30 is considered legal tender in West Virginia.
@@ahoneyman can confirm
i thought pennsyylvanians had love affair with remington pumps
I recently got my firearms license. You and Ian have me pining over a winchester lever action.
Any of the Winchester lever guns will leave you with a smile on your face at the end of the day, you cannot go wrong with one.
Winchester 94s are amazing if you want a short-medium range, very handy rifle
I have no doubts as to whether I'll fall in love with one once I buy it - just a case of finding a good condition antique in Australia, of all places.
IPostSwords im sure its going to cost an arm and a leg. im sorry for that. :(
every American should own a 94 Winchester 30-30. i have a 94 and a Marlin 336 like them both. both have pluses and negatives. but i like the narrow forearm on the Winnies just fits your hand like a glove............Marlins are simple and good to but have a fat forearm............
My Marlin 336 in 30-30 and my Rossi 92 in .357 are great fun. Pretty much out of the box I could hit whatever I wanted to with the 30-30. Love that round!
My great great grandfather was a logger in Washington state during that time frame. Thanks for that history lesson.
A number of 1894s were used in Vietnam. I heard this from an old soldier when I enlisted back in 1982. Don't know where they got them, but he says he had one.
Both the 92 & 94 are the very best examples Of well balanced and handy light rifles ever made, They are quick handling accurate and reliable to a fault
"One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is .30-30." I don't know why, but I laughed. Maybe it was the delivery but it was humorous.
Two pieces of Cascadian history I was unaware of in this one, nice.
Today is my birthday, Thank you very much for this wonderful present!!!
Happy Birthday
Thank you very much, it was my golden birthday too! Sweet 17!!!
24 here today. Weeee!
What didn't not happen in '64? :) Never knew about the '92 & '94 history in the Great War.Thanks again for your work!
1964 is when Winchester overhauled most of their long arms and introduced cast/stamped parts and sintered receivers to save money and be more competitive with Marlin. The rifles were still completely functional but they turned off a lot of shooters like a cold shower.
I love my '94, we have been spending the bulk of my life in the woods, river bottom, or in the slough. Light to carry, good knock down power, and it is my favorite rifle. I also like my double barrel 20 gauge, which allows me the choice of buck or bird shot
I just picked up a 30-30 model 94 that (according to Winchesters website) was made in 1912. Octagon barrel, shoots amazing!
i love the way the spent rounds eject cleaning over mae's part
I’m lucky enough to have one these French 1894’s, picked it up at a gun show and pepole were just walking past it not knowing exactly how rare it was. The sight, Serial numbers and production date match with it being of these French rifles.
I bought a pre-64 model 94 (1957) that had been stored in a sears and Roebuck leather gun bag for 63 years from its original owner who said he put one round thru it and decided he liked drinking better. I paid $300 for it. Runs great. Looks almost new.
Yay! Home from work, s/s/s, grab a beer, and it's boomstick time. Oh, and I have read that the '94 in .30-30 was very popular in the US as a turn-of-the-century law enforcement tool: it outranged the bad guys pistol caliber lever guns.
I'm just going to say that the Congo is some of the thickest jungle in the world and I wouldn't go in there without a gun.
FancyJesus666 Netflix has a movie, Siege of Jadotville, about UN (Irish) actions vs Congo mercenaries. Fairly accurate historical drama about Katanga Province in the Congo. Terrain looks more like Texas Hill Country than dense jungle. Worth watching.
a friend of mine owns an original aeropostale. we call her "vieille dame", the old lady. she's great, and very respectable.
Yeah! All .32 Channel will return!
Love to see a video on the Winchester market and why many Military muskets.
Not gonna lie, I now want a sorta-postapocalyptic waterworld-esque series called 'Sea Cowboy' about manatee wranglers walking around with lever actions.
Fuck yeah, I'm donating all my savings to funding your brilliant idea
They would walk on water?
Thanks for writing I'm "Not gonna lie."
Most people don't start sentences with that. They must be liars. 😅😂 😆
Riding genetically engeneered seahorses large enough for two or more humans to ride.
I love the shell fly over Maes head at 15:51, beautiful.
I have a true American 94 never used in Belgium or Russia or any place but America, as a American citizen I am interested in how it was used, who owned it first. All original and I've followed serial numbers to help me produce the actual year purchased etc. I love it, it's magical when I touch this old 30 30, of course its got some wear like any of them that has been used, but not beat up in any way. Tight as a barrel lid and shoots like a dream come true. The rifle was taken extra care of and cleaned oiled loved by original owner. Hard to believe after all these years a rifle could be usable and accurate as if just purchased from Winchester. John Browning was a genius. He should of not sold his rights to the Winchester co. I have purchased other Browning weapons and find they are the same as the 94, true accurate solid dependable even after many years of being loved by others.
JUST had to mention my beautifull 30 30 that I love to hunt with or just target 🎯 shoot. If only she could tell me the times she has seen, what a tale she could tell.
I guess you know by now that I love her.
JMB's primary business was as a Gun DESIGNER ,not a manufacturer .
I have a model 94 marketed by Sears in the early 1950s. It is marked with the Sears model name, but it is in all things except the fore stock cap a 30-30 Winchester.
Still has most of its bluing, and the bore is pristine. Long barreled version.
These things were very popular and were marketed by a lot of companies like Sears and Montgomery Ward. (Who are they, you ask? LOL)
Excellent. Well done! I don't subscribe to many channels, but This one is added to my brief list.
I love C&R guns! My Winchester 94 his a serial number of 1144873 (circa 1941). I gotta say it feels like a vary solid well balanced gun. I absolutely love it!
I've hunted for YEARS (30+)with M92 in all conditions including MUDDY swamps. I NEVER EVER had a single problem with the rifle jamming. My post 64 M94 is more haggard than your example. But is and all ways will be my go to gun for hunting.
I would choose my AR for its firepower in a zombie apocalypse.
(is that still a thing?)
Papa Cap in 2020 the Zombie apocalypse has arrived - all the Zombies turns out are Marxist communist
I've spent many fine hours in the woods with a pump shotgun and never had a problem with dirt. I've also never had to dive behind cover because the deer and ducks were shooting at me.
@@TheSulross oh dear
I worked at a high production sawmill, I was a sawyer employee and I am disabled from there and trust me, the industry is still only worried about production and not the people
I love my full length '94. True, it's in .25-35 (.25 WCF) and made in 1947, so it doesn't qualify for your show, but it's still a sweet shooter.
"SEA COWBOY CAPTAIN " and Dr. Seuss!! Absolutely perfect!
My brother had one i think dated 1920 or 22 and just gave it away to his bosses son a few year's ago so it's probably floating around still around Athabasca, Alberta 🙂
Great episode guys! Love me some '94. Also love the cross promoting of 2 of my favorite channels.
Thanks that very helpful too know my W94 30W.C.F. ties too the milita rangers, including the military shoulder strap, a captain in US ARMY INFANTRY. God bless America amen. 🇺🇸
"and no, I don't mean the 1895"
Aw you're just teasing us at this point!
I believe it was also used by US Signal Corps as well. It could have been used by US engineers and artillery personnel too but I'm not too sure.
super cool man! great work you guys did tracking those down!
Ian mud tested Winchester. It beat all the bolt guns. Was 100 percent reliable. The lever gun reigns Supreme as a combat arm over any bolt gun.
Love it! Great video
Nooooooo, I've been eyeing that Winchester 1895 on the wall this whole time and it's not the next episode? Now I'm sad and will have to comfort myself by rewatching earlier episodes.
Special thanks to James and Michael for research and riles?
*applause*
i have a .32 1894 passed down through family dating back to 1905. fun as hell to shoot
very informative, thank you
Excellent video and probably one of the top 10 videos of any specific subject..., well spoken, written and produced brother.
I have expanded my knowledge of I thought was maxed out in the lever area but any .32 win special strange metal receiver make up? Thanks again
Just took my duty belt and uniform off and got the notification! I love this channel! Will we see the Mosin Nagant (I'm not one of those Russian or Mosin fanboy) or the Winchest 1895 7.62x54r?
Reese Holder But you can do just about anything to a russian gun and it will shrug it off.
Fantastic !
Just love watching these chips
Very well done as always
I have a question about the Spruce Guns. How hard are they to find? And what is the serial numbers associated with them to date them?
Omg the sound effects for "war were declared" lol check it out again if you haven't. It's around 11:40
Everyone should have one Winchester 1894 pre 64 those are amazing;) good video
Good video 👍 only downside is now I want an 1894 in 30-30.
Holy crap - if that log being pulled out of the woods is spruce, that was an unusually HUGE tree. Being a northeastern tree farmer that is incredible.
Simply said i fucking love this show.
In a trench, or on a boat... this was starting to sound like a Dr. Seuss book...
Another great vid, thank you!
Would you, could you, with a gat?
Would you, could you, in that hat?
Tell Mae the little pocket on the right side of her jeans is for .30-30 rounds! Geoff Who notes the knowledge of his ancestors.
Thank you Michael
Awesome video.
For Swiss guns see Bloke on the range he covers the development of Swiss rifles beyond belief.
He even invites Lloyd Lindybeige fame to join him for one episode to pop his gun cherry, so to speak.
Love you othias and your rifles.
the way that a winchester lever action carries makes an ease to carry all day
Great video!!
These were heavily used in Mexico during the revolution and the cristero war ...we still have them in the family
@Frank Castle yes it is since they don’t know lol not as much as a problem as a handgun
Good show!!!
😎👍
great guns, love em, tho grew up with Marlins, today I have a W 94 made in 1953 and have had a 1894 made in 1905, along with a 1893 Marlin in 32/40 and my dads old Marlin carbine built in 1951, also a M 39 Marlin from 1947, I do love my lever guns, hello from northeast Texas
Very nice 👍 video. Thanks for posting
As to the 94 reverting to the white. There are new/in the box examples at the Cody Firearm's Museum that have completely reverted to the white. The Winchester Nickle steel receivers and barrels had a problem holding bluing. The finish other than plating that corrected the problem was those guns who were "Color-Casehardened". The process would change the composition of the metal at the surface rendering it nearly immune to reverting as long as the surface of the metal was sealed with varnish, or shellac. This is the norm with any Color-Casehardened firearm.
These lever guns in WWI filled the need that the M1 carbine would fill in WWII.
panzerabwerkanone pretty much. ( And mabye the M4 and AK74U today)
While not exactly part of WW1, the Mexican Revolution occurred in the same approximate time frame. The Model '94 Winchester quite common. Maybe your research can determine if there were ant government orders of rifle. The Model '94 so popular, that a song, "Carabina Trenta e Trenta" was sung to honor it. (Song is probably public domain, so if you do a piece, you likely can use that music.)
Great information. I just acquired a 1963 model 94 in great condition, so this video was very interesting to me. BTW May is hot!
Going to have to say, the point of the lever action not being suited for trench warfare is well.......wrong, the way browning actions work is always pulling away from the internals, thus flinging any muck on it's action off, and when it closes it's more tightly closed then a majority of bolt action rifles of the day, you would have to be running the action of the gun while in direct contact with the mud and grime and well, that will kill any rifle, regardless of action.
the vast majority of manlicher clip feeding rifles had gaping holes in the bottom of their actions, never seemed to be all that much of a problem.
This is only continued by the Russian soldier's love of the 1895, i'm sure you will come to this in the coming episodes, but the 1895 was so valued by the Russians over the standard issue rifle, that men would crawl into no man's land to recover them off the bodies of their fallen comrades where they would have normally left them lay,.
And we all know how simple the Mosin 91 is, if a soldier is willing to risk his life over a rifle that is in theory twice as complicated, that says more then enough about it.
I think the problem with the 92 and 94 in the trench has more to do with the basically complete inability to be field stripped. If you do get some mud and gunk in it, you have to head to the armorer to drive out all those pins and screws just to clean it up. A mosin or some such you just yank the bolt and rinse the thing out.
Ian over at Inrange tv did a mud test with a 95 and it worked perfectly.
But he didn't get mud in the action. Had he caked mud in the action it would have been a different story.
Do you have any evidence of Russian soldiers loving the 1895 so much that they crawled into no man‘s land (close to suicide) to get one? Sounds like a myth to me
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I love Othais's angry look when talking about the Congo. He looks like an angry owl.
Dammit I was about to go to bed.
Patiently waiting for 1903 Springfield episode
great man the othias
A misconception about Winchester cartridges the 44wcf, 38wcf, 32wcf, and 25wcf are that they are pistol cartridges.
In fact they are rifle cartridges that were later chambered in in pistols.
(44-40, 38-40, 32-20, and the 25-20)
Nice rifle but, then again, Mae makes any gun look beautiful. 30-30 is one of my fav guns.
This rifle in the hands of American soldiers, who would have likely been familiar with the handling of lever guns, would have been absolutely terrifying in the trenches. 30-30 is no joke, especially at realistic combat ranges. 150 grain FMJ flat nose at about 2200 fps out of a 24 inch barrel allows easy reaching out to 200 yards without a tangent sight.
4:38 good setup for browning
34:23 OH DEAR GOD MOAR .32 GUNS!!!!!!
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