Discord didn't fall for it. He was out numbered, with no magic, and faced with many images of the one pony he gives a flying horsefeather about in distress and other expressions. That is both physical and mental overtaking. And that is why Discord got caught, not because he was tricked.
@Tara Wollner not a single one needed to be the real one; the image of her face in absolute shock and horror as he got rid of the fake would be scarring enough to incentivize just not trying in the first place
15:30 - Dunno if that was meant to be humour, but I thought that Discord was NOT tricked; rather, the changelings used psychological warfare on him, making him break because all the "Fluttershies" crying just... got to him. It's actually quite disturbing, when you think about it.
Borjan Kosarac I agree in some degree. They make it seem like it could be possible she's really there and that small amount of doubt is messing with him
In terms of Discord getting captured, it make sense. If Discord had magic, he would have been confident enough to hold his convictions but without his magic...the cost of possibly hurting Fluttershy even at 1% is too risky for him.
He was forced into working under Chrysalis. He had no way to survive without Chrysalis feeding him love because he surely wasn't going to feed on ponies like they wanted him to.
You gotta admit that Trixie gave one of the most adorable faces when she was picking up her bag in the first half. 5:38 to be exact. I could have that face as my laptop's background.
TheOriginalJphyper Only in the comics. Sombra was written as a Force Of nature type vlllian/ Saron clone, but as The Mc Flurry debut demonstrated, a literal force of nature did the job better. The comics treated him better, expanding him to a Darth Vader Clone, and giving him more than one line.
MrSailing101 unless chrysalis plans on resurrecting Sombra, or get the Sirens back to equestria to team up, or gets tirek, or all three.... oooh that would be cool
God I fucking hate that speech thingy, whatever the hell you call that when the replace words with "Pony" I know it's thier shtick but it still annoys the shit outta me. I can barely stand it when people shorten their words (Like when AH say "Nug" and not "Nugget") let alone have them replace words!
The ending of this video reminded me of something. Years ago, I had a reoccurring nightmare about opening a door and seeing myself sitting in a chair on the other side of the room. The other "me" was facing away, sitting still and not speaking. There was no blood or gore or violence, but just an overwhelming and growing sense of unease as I stared at the back of my own head, *waiting* for something to happen while wishing that it wouldn't. Eventually, I would become so terrified that I would wake myself up. Yeah... haven't had that dream in a while.
"Horseshuicide Squad", really? I'da gone with "Fellowship Of Reform" for the whole "J.R.R. Tolkien gimmick you started with, or "Task Force Arse" because the Irish are a colorful people.
Not to mention that there were probably more changelings replacing guards. I mean really, Luna didn't notice anything off in the guards' dreams, and Celestia didn't fight back? I don't think so. Plus even if Celestia didn't fight back (maybe she couldn't bring herself to hurt a pony, even knowing it's a changeling. She does hesitate in battle), she's tall, which would make her heavier than average ponies. They'd need at least 4 changelings to carry her.
ACTUALLY, there may be a reason for this, albeit it cannot be proven absolutely at this time: They *know* she's gonna enact her revenge regardless of her response, and will await the day she does. It's essentially genre-saviness; Starlight was no different during her first defeat and *she* nearly succeeded too, to remind everyone. They've just gotten used to villains returning for Round 2 now, and are likely just waiting for her to make her move. Besides, even if they *did* bring her back via levitation, what exactly could they do with her? She can clearly overpower anyone around her regardless of subjects, and even if they did throw her into Tartarus, that runs the risk of her and Tirek possibly hatching a plan as BOTH would want revenge against our two magical prodigies. So yeah, while I admit it's not proven entirely, it's possible that they know Chrysalis will come back one day regardless; except this time, they'll be ready for her.... Hopefully, I don't hold my breath on this sort of thing.
Even if Chrysalis could overpower them one on one, she was way outnumbered, hence why she fled. Putting her in Tartarus wouldn't be a problem if they put her in a separate cage.
Matthew Steiner Outnumbered, yes, but overpowering? Not really. All the princesses and the Mane Six (not to mention Shining Armor, Spike, Discord, Starlight, Trixie and the Changelings to a lesser degree) were exhausted, dazed and without much of a battle plan after "Save everyone from Chrysalis' clutches". I say changelings because, let's not kid ourselves, transmogrifying yourselves like that I take it will take a lot out of you (I mean, it blew up Chrysalis' hive top to Kingdom Come for Celestia's sake!). And while granted, they *could* put her in a separate cage...you will note that there aren't many actually *IN* Tartarus as far as we can tell, since so far, Tirek is the only current resident that we know of that doesn't guard the place (i.e. Cerberus). Thusly, there's a no in duh chance that while they may be in separate cages, they could in theory still speak to one another and in turn figure out a way to escape. And even if they didn't, say they put Chrysalis far away from Tirek to be on the safe side, Tirek would likely try to release her anyway, because they both have a common goal: Take down our heroes. How well that goes is neither here, nor there at this point, however. In short, letting Chrysalis leave was the most viable option at that moment in time.
If they teamed up and escaped, all the heroes would have to do is wait for one of them to suddenly but inevitably betray the other and then take out the winner.
Matthew Steiner That may be, but here's the thing....no one villain at this point has teamed up with another that hasn't already reformed, and no, Discord and Tirek doesn't count as that was a relapse and not true betrayal. Hey, we *all* have our weaknesses. So with this revolutionary new idea, both could cover each others weaknesses and in turn make it harder to defeat them. Betrayal may be inevitable, but who said it would be right away? During that time, they could cause untold havoc!
I loved this finale. And the fact that you're theory of Chrysalis being motivated by power instead of necessity being proven true was just icing on the cake. Mm mm.... Cake 😋
well of course, otherwise she wouldn't be a full on villain, she'd be redeemable (unlike starlight and discord who....kinda had really contrived reasons for turning good, starlight more so as discord is still and asshat even reformed and they at least tried to give credende to him reforming)
I still love that during Starlight's freak out in her old town, that blast out wasn't just a random burst of emotion. Trixie was in the blast radius for it, but was totally unaffected. Even in a panicked state, Starlight made sure her friend was protected from the blast
I began watching MLP out of curiosity, I watched this episode, decided to watch this video, resubbed, and kept thinking about how this episode is riddled with plot holes like swiss cheese, which I guess in this case would also be spraypainted black...or green
Loved this review as usual. One thing I think should be said though is that I think the part where Discord gets captured isn't him being stupid by falling for a trick immediately after not falling for it. He catches himself from falling for the initial trap, and moments later he finds he's surrounded by fake Fluttershys. His reaction makes the most sense interpreted one of two ways in my opinion: Either he's concerned at the possibility that they do have the real Fluttershy there as the changeling hinted, which could have been possible given how smart the Changelings can be and that they obviously knew Discord cared for her. But more likely I personally think his face after seeing the horde of clones was more of an "oh crap, I'm screwed" moment. Whether he believes that the real Fluttershy was there or not, the moment all the Fluttershy clones started up he was surrounded by enemies with flight and magic while he had neither. So whether he fell for the trick or not, he was basically done as soon as he went into the room and there was nothing he could do about it as he was outnumbered and outclassed.
And she would have turned into the fairy dear things. I honestly think they are alright in design, but dear god Thorax hurt my eyes. I can only imagine how Chrissy would end up.
+Raul Valencia I'm surprised Josh didn't mention those designs at all... neither a "GOD those are awful" or a "I actually thought they were fine" direction, just... nothing on the subject.
+Pelcogo Some fanfic changelings I've read about seem to try fitting this in, while others simply ignore the whole thing. As far as "self-representation" OCs go however? Not a clue. They'll probably just use the "we're still shapeshifters, right?" excuse for staying the same.
Considering this show is about Friendship, I feel like reformed villains should be a given. Hell, I bet there'll be an episode in the future revolving around Tirek and Scorpan reconnecting with Tirek slowly reforming.
You always do such a great job at making me laugh with your reviews! I'd love to see more but I also know your pretty busy and I understand. I hope to see more!
16:58 NOOOOOOOOOOO! Dude, Josh, that was a complete missed opportunity to have used "Give Me All Your Love" from The World Ends with you. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT!
Ok, where do I begin? That intro was fantastic, the Arlo cameo was a really pleasant surprise, the whole "Not as Much of a Jerk as You Could of Been Award", *lists off most of the review*.... Overall, I loved this video, as well as the original episode. Really well done. Great job! :D
9:59 By planning and patience? For all you know, Changelings could have been all around the place without you seeing them. Waiting for the right time to strike. The kidnappings may have been in one night, but it never said the planning was. For example, notice how they waited for Starlight to leave before replacing them?
15:28 Well seeing so many copies of 'the one pony he cares the most about' crying and in pain will put him in a moment of weakness. Like with Hughes and Envy in FMA Brotherhood. (Yea yea SPOILERS) As Envy was gonna kill him disguised as another soldier, Hughes called him out on his shape shifting. He knew it was a trick. And when he goes to strike him with a knife, Envy turns into his wife. Despite knowing it's a trick, that it isn't really his wife, Hughes couldn't bring himself to stab his 'her'. To see 'her' in pain or anything like that. It's the same thing with Discord. He doesn't want to see her upset or in pain, because even though it isn't really her, her face will be enough to haunt him.
First off, somepony oughta say it here. "Of course, Princess Celestia; I'd love to perform for peanut butter crackers." Second; out of all the analysts/reviewers, you're the first I've seen yet to not mention/nag about the changelings' new looks. A look that I, honestly really love
This was a good review. Completely with you on the whole 'letting bug queen go' thing being a real head scratchier. Also, you referenced Fire Marshal Bill - you are awesome.
2:24 - Random camera reflection while on Josh? 3:07 - Did you . . . did you just got there? 4:03 - Just because we want to help people doesn't mean we still want to hurt ourselves. 8:10 - Take a shot every time Josh uses a meme 8:42 - Do you have the camera behind a pane of glass or something? 10:00 - Well, they did capture Cadence right out from her husband-to-be's dong, so . . . 10:09 - probably, probably like me, blow it the first time and nail it the second time 10:22 - *uncontrollable giggling* 11:50 - . . . nah, *pats* 12:27 - Thank you, writers! 12:42 - *slurred speech* 13:57 - *slide-of-hoof 14:25 - . . . *no comment* 15:17 - d'aww 16:05 - My best friend (passive anti-brony/Star Wars nerd) would be so dissapointed in you 17:02 - This deserves at least three shots . . . fuck 18:42 - I'm still jealous about that. *Symphony of the Goddess* came nearby *ONCE*. Loved the video, looks like you had a lot of fun making it. I certainly enjoyed watching it. Glad to see you're doing well (good luck with university finals!).
This was fun to watch! The intro was nicely done too. You have a pretty good narrator voice. Thanks for sharing this with us! ^_^ I wonder why the reformed quartet didn't get a stained glass window of their own. Rescuing the major figures of Equestria and making peace with the changelings is a pretty big deal. I think the changelings could have tried hypnotizing the royal sisters like what happened with Shining Armor. Then they'd have control over the sun, the moon, and the princesses. They also could have placed disguised changeling guards near the princesses to gather love energy. I'm guessing that arresting the former queen right in front of the just-reformed changelings might have soured the mood. Maybe they wanted the remaining rogue changelings to reform without feeling threatened by the prospect of prison. I'm surprised none of the changeling guards noticed four strangers approaching their hive. They weren't even wearing camouflage. The security does seem to get slightly better as they go deeper into the hive, however. Also, do the ponies not have any magical "video chat" systems like the changelings apparently do? That looks super useful.
Awesome work as always, Josh. I agree with you on most counts, and the placement of every reference was spot on. Keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to more content from you.
Josh, this video says it isn't available in my country, which is Canada. Mind looking into that? I just want to see your video that you worked so hard to make.
Sunset can't be better than starlight and starlight can't be better than sunset because they are the same, it's been over a year when is the starlight hate gonna die, I have nothing against you but I hate the fact people can't just let it go
Night Silver Chelly they're both reformed villains they're both as powerful if not more powerful then twilight they've both now gone through a character arc that led them to save the day all I'm saying don't hate on starlight if you love sunset
Nathan Jarrett True But I hate the idea of thinking that they are the same since their situation are slightly different. I mean I like them both but it feels wrong to call them the same.
Night Silver Chelly I know, maybe not exactly the same just similar, I just don't like how most of the fandom treats Sunset like a saint but then hate on starlight
Nathan Jarrett Yeah I can understand that feeling. Admittedly I wasn't happy with Starlight's character since the season 5 final fell really flat and her being redeem was rush horribly.
To be more specific, I'm referring to Starlight offering a hand of acceptance and Queen Chrysalis refusing being similar to Simba: Let it go, Zira. It's time to put the past behind us. Zira: I'LL NEVER LET IT GO!
I think this is one of your best reviews ever. I was laughing so often at it and just was entertaining. Part of that may be that the episode itself is solid as well, but seriously, this is one of my favorites.
How Chrysalis managed to do that in one night? Well, I can think of a few things. One; she has a shape-shifting army, and two; she is a tactical genius, and probably spent a lot of time planning this. But then again, that baffled me too.
Also, do we know for certain it was only one night? When the Mane 6 went to Our Town for the first time, they took a train, at least for part of the journey. Trixie and Starlight travelled on hoof, so they must have been slower. That all being said, I find the idea of the plan being pulled off so quickly plausible because I think that's the only way a plan like this could work. A sudden, simultaneous attack; momentum would be key, I think.
I still say that Chryssalid managing to capture and replace all leader figures (Most likely discreetly) in a few hours is full on bullshit. That's like if Hitler took control of all of Europe in 2 days! The Changelings are fucking horses with holes in them, not The Combine! Wait, did I say Chryssalid?
Phil's Eyelash The only way would be for him to file a dispute on the monetization claims. Though given that he intentionally used other individuals' intellectual property, he would have to rely on them not responding within the 30 day period for it to work.
Everything about this video was great! I loved all the jokes/movie references. This is my favorite video from your channel so far. I can't wait to see more!
If there`s one thing I learned throughout this series is that you should never do anything bad to Fluttershy, or you`ll be in your worst nightmare, thanks to Discord. The Changeling Queen is probably the best strategist, second to Master Xehanort, but if they could made this season finale into 3 parts (part 1 for her invasion, part 2 for the expedition of the "SubCharacter Squad" and part 3 for the climatic ending), showing how she made this plan without anyone notice, I believe this could have a greater episode.
I had a theory that chrysalis would go break Tirek out of Tartarus bc Cerberus is easily distracted. Also they both suck up magic be it love of pure magic. Any thoughts?
Yeah, that becomes an issue of not IF one of them will turn on the other, but who tries it first. They'd be to busy watching out for the other one backstabbing them to really do much else.
10:10 *bangs head against the desk* Really, Josh? How can you, of all people, not mention how STUPID Chryslais' plan is? Am I the only person who, when watching that episode and hearing her plans for Celestia and Luna though "Those two are the ONLY beings besides Discord who have the power to move the sun and moon. without them, the day and night cycle is screwed. whelp, you doomed everything to die, Bug-Butt. Good job."? I am honestly shocked YOU didn't think of this yourself, Josh. You, of all people!
Whelp this comments probably gonna be deleted anyway, so might as well have some fun with it. 0:01, I'm frankly amazed more people haven't made Lord of the Rings jokes or references relating to this. 3:18, huh nice to finally get a solid opinion from you on the Equestria girls movies. It's short but I'll take it. 3:26, someone's been playing Overwatch. 3:50 Josh your Fanboy is showing. 5:40, Yeah I got nothing that was funny. 5:54, Okay it was funny the first time, second time it was Hilarious, Good on you 6:39, eh she kind of had justification for the panic attack this time. 7:10, huh now there's an avatar reference I never thought I'd see, and yet it fits perfectly....I'm sensing a new meme. 9:23, maybe I missed it but I feel like that's the first time you used that joke. 10:07, well they did manage to surprise Cadence on her wedding and fool everyone. Odds are they've probably been planning this since they were defeated. It's not that hard to explain. 10:31 I'm sensing a running joke here. I mean are you gonna review any season 6 episodes or....? 11:35, does thorax count as a reformed villain since he was never evil to begin with? He just followed the crowd. 12:52 Solid Burn Mr. Burner. Well played 14:12, Yeah I don't have a clue what that is. 15:25, He has no magic to escape with and he's distracted by seeing dozens of the person he care most for crying and seemingly in pain, that would hinder anyone, knowing it's fake or not. 15:48, Honestly I was thinking more along the lines to Ridley Scott. 16:12, Yes you did, have a cookie. 17:38, how is she even a threat. Like you said, no followers, no place to live she's hardly dangerous. 19:05, Trixie as Harley and Starlight as Katana, huh honestly amazed Starlight isn't Deadshot, and you're El Diablo, should of seen that coming. Though does that make Thorax Killer Croc or Captain Boomerang?
You're right about Thorax not actually being a reformed villain at all though Trixie was only really a minor antagonist like Flim and Flam so there were only really two reformed villains in that group. Thorax I think was only made into his own character in the episode The Times They are a Changeling for a metaphorical analogue of discrimination against groups of people and how they can affect an individual in that group even if there's only a tangent between that person and the perception of the group as a whole.
+Jacob Cordell plus the one time trixie was a full on villain she was under the thrall of an evil, insanity inducing artifact, so yeah she barely counts as a villain
"does thorax count as a reformed villain since he was never evil to begin with? He just followed the crowd." I agree. "how is she even a threat. Like you said, no followers, no place to live she's hardly dangerous." Amongst a crowd (some of which have high levels of magic) yes, but she is _still_ technically an Alicorn, so she is still a threat to some degree.
this season final kicked ass Starlight made a good main character, she has the skills to be a good leader. Trixie was just freaking amazing, i loved how supportive she was with Starlight, and her interaction with Discord was beautiful, i really hope we see more of that in the future. Discord was... Discord, and thats why we love him. it was good to see Thorax again, and Chrysalis, damn it was great to see her again, and i am truly glad they didnt reform her. THE QUEEN SHALL NEVER BOW TO ANOTHER!!!! hopefully her next plan work a lot better than the last one. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!!! this was a great review Josh. keep up the great work
Also, is it just me or are Changelings terrible actors, from Chrysalis doing a piss poor job at acting not suspicious to all of them imposing the Ponyville Ponies
Discord didn't fall for it. He was out numbered, with no magic, and faced with many images of the one pony he gives a flying horsefeather about in distress and other expressions. That is both physical and mental overtaking. And that is why Discord got caught, not because he was tricked.
Lin2Waterfall mental overtaking? You’re thinking about this way too hard. It’s simple, he was outnumbered and swarmed.
@Tara Wollner not a single one needed to be the real one; the image of her face in absolute shock and horror as he got rid of the fake would be scarring enough to incentivize just not trying in the first place
@Tara Wollner frizzed, ok I love that. Sorry
@@michaelwilliams3567 I mean, it seemed clear that it was getting to him.
Yeah, he was overwhelmed.
15:30 - Dunno if that was meant to be humour, but I thought that Discord was NOT tricked; rather, the changelings used psychological warfare on him, making him break because all the "Fluttershies" crying just... got to him. It's actually quite disturbing, when you think about it.
It´s the kind of mental shit he pulled on the mane six back in Season 2. I think that's one of the reasons why that scene was so amazing.
Borjan Kosarac I agree in some degree. They make it seem like it could be possible she's really there and that small amount of doubt is messing with him
Borjan Kosarac ikr
He was outnumbered
That is the ONLY reason he got captured
@@aidanhammans9337 No, it's not the only reason. But okay, you can be a fool.
They removed her voice modulation... strange.
According to the staff they removed her voice reverb because they thought it was making it her to understand what she says
JAKENEUTRON AT LEAST USED TO BE A BRONY!
In terms of Discord getting captured, it make sense. If Discord had magic, he would have been confident enough to hold his convictions but without his magic...the cost of possibly hurting Fluttershy even at 1% is too risky for him.
15:21 - How what?
Also, I don't think I would consider Thorax to be a reformed 'villain'. He was never really evil to begin with.
He was on the villains side however. He was part of the Canterlot invasion even if he did not like it.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 That still doesn't make him a Villian though.
He was forced into working under Chrysalis. He had no way to survive without Chrysalis feeding him love because he surely wasn't going to feed on ponies like they wanted him to.
"The Changelings have returned!"
"THEY'RE BACK!!"
*It only took four f*cking years*
Aidan Keogh And they came back in the most bullshit way possible
You gotta admit that Trixie gave one of the most adorable faces when she was picking up her bag in the first half. 5:38 to be exact. I could have that face as my laptop's background.
I'm not entirely sure what you are referring to.
dracothedrangonful totally agree.. it's such a squee moment in my opinion
It's really adorable!
@@dracothedrangonful
Did you reply to yourself?
I love that Trixie loves to rub her friendship with Starlight in Twilights face. Fun little quirk.
17:30 Eh, they need a reoccurring villain, and Sombra's to broken up to do anything.
Eh, he's had enough screen time and character development, hasn't he?
TheOriginalJphyper Only in the comics.
Sombra was written as a Force Of nature type vlllian/ Saron clone, but as The Mc Flurry debut demonstrated, a literal force of nature did the job better.
The comics treated him better, expanding him to a Darth Vader Clone, and giving him more than one line.
MrSailing101 I was using sarcasm.
TheOriginalJphyper
And I was feeling glum about the wasted character.
MrSailing101 unless chrysalis plans on resurrecting Sombra, or get the Sirens back to equestria to team up, or gets tirek, or all three.... oooh that would be cool
11:09 Discord, Trixie is right, everyPONY that was or is powerful is captured, you're not a pony, you're a chaos spirit.
OBJECTION! He has the head of a pony. Thus he could consider himself to be part of everyPONY, as you've put it.
Raul Diaz But I really thought it was a goat?
God I fucking hate that speech thingy, whatever the hell you call that when the replace words with "Pony" I know it's thier shtick but it still annoys the shit outta me. I can barely stand it when people shorten their words (Like when AH say "Nug" and not "Nugget") let alone have them replace words!
The ending of this video reminded me of something. Years ago, I had a reoccurring nightmare about opening a door and seeing myself sitting in a chair on the other side of the room. The other "me" was facing away, sitting still and not speaking. There was no blood or gore or violence, but just an overwhelming and growing sense of unease as I stared at the back of my own head, *waiting* for something to happen while wishing that it wouldn't. Eventually, I would become so terrified that I would wake myself up.
Yeah... haven't had that dream in a while.
What if it wasn't a dream
*plays x-files music*
So the Josh who was reviewing the episode, was a changeling?!
Or a shadow clone.
or a time traveler.
Or a hologram.
Or a Neo
Or a shadow clone. Josh has used them in the past...
"Horseshuicide Squad", really?
I'da gone with "Fellowship Of Reform" for the whole "J.R.R. Tolkien gimmick you started with, or "Task Force Arse" because the Irish are a colorful people.
Task Horse X sounds better
"Simba's Pride" reference? LIKE!!!
Sire Shade that movie is awesome. tbh, I had a little bit of a crush on Kovu 😅
Quit likebaiting.
@@artisticheart5750 same tbh dude lol 😂😂
@@artisticheart5750 Likewise, man.
@@artisticheart5750 oh really XD
Chrysalis actually has at least 11 minions left.
Plus, she's a Queen.. she could just breed more.
kinda like the relation with the primal zerg and the swarm
Terry Shark
OHHHH Good one!
Not to mention that there were probably more changelings replacing guards. I mean really, Luna didn't notice anything off in the guards' dreams, and Celestia didn't fight back? I don't think so. Plus even if Celestia didn't fight back (maybe she couldn't bring herself to hurt a pony, even knowing it's a changeling. She does hesitate in battle), she's tall, which would make her heavier than average ponies. They'd need at least 4 changelings to carry her.
ACTUALLY, there may be a reason for this, albeit it cannot be proven absolutely at this time: They *know* she's gonna enact her revenge regardless of her response, and will await the day she does. It's essentially genre-saviness; Starlight was no different during her first defeat and *she* nearly succeeded too, to remind everyone. They've just gotten used to villains returning for Round 2 now, and are likely just waiting for her to make her move.
Besides, even if they *did* bring her back via levitation, what exactly could they do with her? She can clearly overpower anyone around her regardless of subjects, and even if they did throw her into Tartarus, that runs the risk of her and Tirek possibly hatching a plan as BOTH would want revenge against our two magical prodigies.
So yeah, while I admit it's not proven entirely, it's possible that they know Chrysalis will come back one day regardless; except this time, they'll be ready for her.... Hopefully, I don't hold my breath on this sort of thing.
Even if Chrysalis could overpower them one on one, she was way outnumbered, hence why she fled. Putting her in Tartarus wouldn't be a problem if they put her in a separate cage.
Matthew Steiner Outnumbered, yes, but overpowering? Not really. All the princesses and the Mane Six (not to mention Shining Armor, Spike, Discord, Starlight, Trixie and the Changelings to a lesser degree) were exhausted, dazed and without much of a battle plan after "Save everyone from Chrysalis' clutches". I say changelings because, let's not kid ourselves, transmogrifying yourselves like that I take it will take a lot out of you (I mean, it blew up Chrysalis' hive top to Kingdom Come for Celestia's sake!).
And while granted, they *could* put her in a separate cage...you will note that there aren't many actually *IN* Tartarus as far as we can tell, since so far, Tirek is the only current resident that we know of that doesn't guard the place (i.e. Cerberus).
Thusly, there's a no in duh chance that while they may be in separate cages, they could in theory still speak to one another and in turn figure out a way to escape. And even if they didn't, say they put Chrysalis far away from Tirek to be on the safe side, Tirek would likely try to release her anyway, because they both have a common goal: Take down our heroes. How well that goes is neither here, nor there at this point, however.
In short, letting Chrysalis leave was the most viable option at that moment in time.
If they teamed up and escaped, all the heroes would have to do is wait for one of them to suddenly but inevitably betray the other and then take out the winner.
Matthew Steiner That may be, but here's the thing....no one villain at this point has teamed up with another that hasn't already reformed, and no, Discord and Tirek doesn't count as that was a relapse and not true betrayal. Hey, we *all* have our weaknesses.
So with this revolutionary new idea, both could cover each others weaknesses and in turn make it harder to defeat them.
Betrayal may be inevitable, but who said it would be right away? During that time, they could cause untold havoc!
What about Celestia's favourite solution: the concrete straightjacket?
Mind you, I prefer a... fluffier solution to Chrysalis.
Is that Vageta's voice in Twilight's internal screaming?
...
I can't think of a more appropriate representation of her feelings XD
PhazonOmega It sounded like scout's death scream to me.
I thought it might've been Josh.
I loved this finale. And the fact that you're theory of Chrysalis being motivated by power instead of necessity being proven true was just icing on the cake. Mm mm.... Cake 😋
well of course, otherwise she wouldn't be a full on villain, she'd be redeemable (unlike starlight and discord who....kinda had really contrived reasons for turning good, starlight more so as discord is still and asshat even reformed and they at least tried to give credende to him reforming)
I still love that during Starlight's freak out in her old town, that blast out wasn't just a random burst of emotion. Trixie was in the blast radius for it, but was totally unaffected. Even in a panicked state, Starlight made sure her friend was protected from the blast
Oh so I wasn't the only one who noticed that. I saw that and had to rewind and watch it again to make sure I had seen it properly.
I loved the "when pigs fly!" Moment at the end. I mean it's Discord. Trixie should've known she was setting herself up xD
I uh...I think there was dust or smudge on the camera. Either that or a lighting situation.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
I don't even watch/care for the show but I LOVE the humor and editing that you put into these! Also, excellent references 10/10
cbb88dragonborn I used to watch the show but I still love these
I began watching MLP out of curiosity, I watched this episode, decided to watch this video, resubbed, and kept thinking about how this episode is riddled with plot holes like swiss cheese, which I guess in this case would also be spraypainted black...or green
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE! !!! =D
cbb88christian
OMG same!
I hope you never stop making these reviews. This was the highlight of my day.
Is it just me, or does your camera lens have some dust on it?
yea I saw that too, wasnt sure if it was just me
It seemed more like a glare to me, but yeah.
Ditto I caught that too.
Arexion5293, I think there is a stain on the lens.
same here
I loved that intro, it was so well made!
Giovanni Orellana Yeah, it was great
Giovanni Orellana yeah it reminded of when I would watch the Lord of the Rings series.
Jefferson Callahan yeah when they came out years ago in theaters...yes I feel old. I even saw the animated movies
But that outro was a... "change" of pace... :D
Ehm... no, don't need that info, never do...
Don't do dat.
Knew there'd be Hobbit references. :D
Loved this review as usual. One thing I think should be said though is that I think the part where Discord gets captured isn't him being stupid by falling for a trick immediately after not falling for it. He catches himself from falling for the initial trap, and moments later he finds he's surrounded by fake Fluttershys. His reaction makes the most sense interpreted one of two ways in my opinion: Either he's concerned at the possibility that they do have the real Fluttershy there as the changeling hinted, which could have been possible given how smart the Changelings can be and that they obviously knew Discord cared for her. But more likely I personally think his face after seeing the horde of clones was more of an "oh crap, I'm screwed" moment. Whether he believes that the real Fluttershy was there or not, the moment all the Fluttershy clones started up he was surrounded by enemies with flight and magic while he had neither. So whether he fell for the trick or not, he was basically done as soon as he went into the room and there was nothing he could do about it as he was outnumbered and outclassed.
Thank God Chrysalis escaped, this show is oversaturated with reformed villains already.
And she would have turned into the fairy dear things. I honestly think they are alright in design, but dear god Thorax hurt my eyes. I can only imagine how Chrissy would end up.
I wonder what's gonna happen to the bronies who have changeling OC's
+Raul Valencia I'm surprised Josh didn't mention those designs at all... neither a "GOD those are awful" or a "I actually thought they were fine" direction, just... nothing on the subject.
+Pelcogo Some fanfic changelings I've read about seem to try fitting this in, while others simply ignore the whole thing. As far as "self-representation" OCs go however? Not a clue. They'll probably just use the "we're still shapeshifters, right?" excuse for staying the same.
Considering this show is about Friendship, I feel like reformed villains should be a given.
Hell, I bet there'll be an episode in the future revolving around Tirek and Scorpan reconnecting with Tirek slowly reforming.
Best opening 2 minutes ever.
Josh, the reason why Chrysalis got away was so she could meet Fluffle Puff remember?
You always do such a great job at making me laugh with your reviews! I'd love to see more but I also know your pretty busy and I understand. I hope to see more!
"FLUTTERCORD SHIPPERS! COME TO ME!!" (an army comes screaming)
16:58 NOOOOOOOOOOO! Dude, Josh, that was a complete missed opportunity to have used "Give Me All Your Love" from The World Ends with you. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT!
"I request the Cone of Silence." I died laughing right there.
Ok, plot twist: the one who was doing the reviews this whole time, was a changeling, and the one who just came in is the real josh
THE OPENING OF THE VIDEO IS LIKE THE HOBBIT.
THIS PLEASES ME.
Changelings now look like-... Jewel beetles. Huh... that's... actually quite badass.
One second in and I'm already fanboying. LOVE Lord of the Rings/Hobbit! Let's see where this goes....
Ok, where do I begin? That intro was fantastic, the Arlo cameo was a really pleasant surprise, the whole "Not as Much of a Jerk as You Could of Been Award", *lists off most of the review*....
Overall, I loved this video, as well as the original episode. Really well done. Great job! :D
It's 10 seconds in, and I've already dropped a like on the video.
15:55 I always appreciate a good Paper Mario reference! It always cheers me up when I see those in your videos
Hah! When he played that bit from Lion King 2's villain song that's exactly what I thought of the place when I first saw it. xD
9:59
By planning and patience?
For all you know, Changelings could have been all around the place without you seeing them. Waiting for the right time to strike.
The kidnappings may have been in one night, but it never said the planning was.
For example, notice how they waited for Starlight to leave before replacing them?
15:28
Well seeing so many copies of 'the one pony he cares the most about' crying and in pain will put him in a moment of weakness.
Like with Hughes and Envy in FMA Brotherhood.
(Yea yea SPOILERS)
As Envy was gonna kill him disguised as another soldier, Hughes called him out on his shape shifting. He knew it was a trick. And when he goes to strike him with a knife, Envy turns into his wife. Despite knowing it's a trick, that it isn't really his wife, Hughes couldn't bring himself to stab his 'her'. To see 'her' in pain or anything like that.
It's the same thing with Discord. He doesn't want to see her upset or in pain, because even though it isn't really her, her face will be enough to haunt him.
Nailed it! Good to see you again Josh!!!
First off, somepony oughta say it here. "Of course, Princess Celestia; I'd love to perform for peanut butter crackers."
Second; out of all the analysts/reviewers, you're the first I've seen yet to not mention/nag about the changelings' new looks.
A look that I, honestly really love
I don't know how you do it, but every video just gets better in jokes, quality, and overall presentation. Well done!
3:26 She who holds the information, holds all the cards.
This was a good review. Completely with you on the whole 'letting bug queen go' thing being a real head scratchier. Also, you referenced Fire Marshal Bill - you are awesome.
2:24 - Random camera reflection while on Josh?
3:07 - Did you . . . did you just got there?
4:03 - Just because we want to help people doesn't mean we still want to hurt ourselves.
8:10 - Take a shot every time Josh uses a meme
8:42 - Do you have the camera behind a pane of glass or something?
10:00 - Well, they did capture Cadence right out from her husband-to-be's dong, so . . .
10:09 - probably, probably like me, blow it the first time and nail it the second time
10:22 - *uncontrollable giggling*
11:50 - . . . nah, *pats*
12:27 - Thank you, writers!
12:42 - *slurred speech*
13:57 - *slide-of-hoof
14:25 - . . . *no comment*
15:17 - d'aww
16:05 - My best friend (passive anti-brony/Star Wars nerd) would be so dissapointed in you
17:02 - This deserves at least three shots . . . fuck
18:42 - I'm still jealous about that. *Symphony of the Goddess* came nearby *ONCE*.
Loved the video, looks like you had a lot of fun making it. I certainly enjoyed watching it. Glad to see you're doing well (good luck with university finals!).
This is great! Marvelous! I love that all of my favorite reviewers are becoming better and doing more for themselves! :D
I love how Trixie is "reformed" but she's still her boastful self.
Were there still pieces of the throne in the rubble? If so, would they still be able to block magic and let Queen Chrysalis escape?
12:23 FLUTTERCORD CONFIRMED!
12:35 LION KING 2 - SIMBA'S PRIDE!
Loved that movie!
Kirri Price
Same ^w^!!! I almost had a nostalgia-induced heart attack when that part played ♡w♡!!
>w
EvilVampireLeprechaunDemon
Honestly, LK2 was/is better than LK1!
Josh: *labels Thorax as an ex-villain*
Me: "He wasn't a villain. Just misunderstood."
Missed joke:
Starlight: Give her all of it!
Me: Insert Rings Of Akhatan reference here.
the subversive way they built up starlight's magic and took it away is such a MLP way of doing things
18:36 I KNEW I shouldda taken that left turn at Uranus! Was it somethin' I said?!? What could POssibly go WRONG?!?
Thank you, Bubsy.
My theory: the Bubsy who said that line was also the wooly that took Bubsy home at the end of the first.
This was fun to watch! The intro was nicely done too. You have a pretty good narrator voice. Thanks for sharing this with us! ^_^
I wonder why the reformed quartet didn't get a stained glass window of their own. Rescuing the major figures of Equestria and making peace with the changelings is a pretty big deal.
I think the changelings could have tried hypnotizing the royal sisters like what happened with Shining Armor. Then they'd have control over the sun, the moon, and the princesses. They also could have placed disguised changeling guards near the princesses to gather love energy.
I'm guessing that arresting the former queen right in front of the just-reformed changelings might have soured the mood. Maybe they wanted the remaining rogue changelings to reform without feeling threatened by the prospect of prison.
I'm surprised none of the changeling guards noticed four strangers approaching their hive. They weren't even wearing camouflage. The security does seem to get slightly better as they go deeper into the hive, however.
Also, do the ponies not have any magical "video chat" systems like the changelings apparently do? That looks super useful.
I'm gonna call it. Someone will soon make an MLP/Suicide Squad parody.
Gracie Mueller I saw a picture of that
That intro brought into perspective just how nostalgic the LOTR and Hobbit series are for me. What a punch in tye feels.
*hears YMS music**
hmmm odd
*hears YMS sarcastic cheering**
h O MY GO D
Awesome work as always, Josh. I agree with you on most counts, and the placement of every reference was spot on. Keep up the great work, and I'm looking forward to more content from you.
when discord realizes they took fluttershy, that is so me right there
And a majority of the community...I think
Top notch quality in your own special way! You're rising in the ranks Josh.
Josh, this video says it isn't available in my country, which is Canada. Mind looking into that? I just want to see your video that you worked so hard to make.
TheWolfmanHulk Yup, unavailable in Canada. That sucks.
it is now
I'm in Canada and it's working fine for me.
Having the same problem.
same problem here
wow, great review. i lost it to the "life day" referance.my daughter and i really enjoyed. thank you for making this.
Sunset can't be better than starlight and starlight can't be better than sunset because they are the same, it's been over a year when is the starlight hate gonna die, I have nothing against you but I hate the fact people can't just let it go
How are Sunset and Starlight the same?
Night Silver Chelly
they're both reformed villains
they're both as powerful if not more powerful then twilight
they've both now gone through a character arc that led them to save the day
all I'm saying don't hate on starlight if you love sunset
Nathan Jarrett True
But I hate the idea of thinking that they are the same since their situation are slightly different. I mean I like them both but it feels wrong to call them the same.
Night Silver Chelly I know, maybe not exactly the same just similar, I just don't like how most of the fandom treats Sunset like a saint but then hate on starlight
Nathan Jarrett Yeah I can understand that feeling.
Admittedly I wasn't happy with Starlight's character since the season 5 final fell really flat and her being redeem was rush horribly.
This was awesome from start to finish. You just made my day!
12:36
Lion king 2 reference..... I LOVE YOU!!!
I was actually hoping for a different reference from the movie, but, eh, beggars can't be choosers.
To be more specific, I'm referring to Starlight offering a hand of acceptance and Queen Chrysalis refusing being similar to
Simba: Let it go, Zira. It's time to put the past behind us.
Zira: I'LL NEVER LET IT GO!
Lightning Bolt1103 Me, too! Especially using that song!
Jake Zero hmm... I've never realized that.
Chrysalis is Zira reborn
A new joshscorcher review? You have my attention
No one ever talks about that joke at the end were trixie tells discord "when pigs fly."
I think this is one of your best reviews ever. I was laughing so often at it and just was entertaining. Part of that may be that the episode itself is solid as well, but seriously, this is one of my favorites.
How Chrysalis managed to do that in one night? Well, I can think of a few things. One; she has a shape-shifting army, and two; she is a tactical genius, and probably spent a lot of time planning this. But then again, that baffled me too.
Also, do we know for certain it was only one night? When the Mane 6 went to Our Town for the first time, they took a train, at least for part of the journey. Trixie and Starlight travelled on hoof, so they must have been slower.
That all being said, I find the idea of the plan being pulled off so quickly plausible because I think that's the only way a plan like this could work. A sudden, simultaneous attack; momentum would be key, I think.
I still say that Chryssalid managing to capture and replace all leader figures (Most likely discreetly) in a few hours is full on bullshit. That's like if Hitler took control of all of Europe in 2 days! The Changelings are fucking horses with holes in them, not The Combine!
Wait, did I say Chryssalid?
The beginning was so funny and so Awesome and the review itself Awesome to Great Job Josh!
Looking forward to Season 7. What're your thoughts on it?
Spike's face says it all in 5:35 , "This isn't gonna work, Twilight..." few seconds later, in his head, "told ya Twi, but did you listen... NO~!"
Am surprised you use so much licensed music. Do the DMCA bots not strike down your vids?
They prevent monetization, but it's worth it for entertainment.
joshscorcher if monetization gets taken down do you get it back? Ever? Just don't want you living in a box eating dog food bro.
Pity we can't do anything about the youtube bots.
That's what his Patreon's for.
Phil's Eyelash The only way would be for him to file a dispute on the monetization claims. Though given that he intentionally used other individuals' intellectual property, he would have to rely on them not responding within the 30 day period for it to work.
Okay, that has got to be some of your best writing so far
...Horseshoe-icide squad?
*Slaps you across the face* What? You said you were expecting it.
Funny enough, I did see a picture referencing "Suicide Squad" with those four
Everything about this video was great! I loved all the jokes/movie references. This is my favorite video from your channel so far. I can't wait to see more!
If there`s one thing I learned throughout this series is that you should never do anything bad to Fluttershy, or you`ll be in your worst nightmare, thanks to Discord. The Changeling Queen is probably the best strategist, second to Master Xehanort, but if they could made this season finale into 3 parts (part 1 for her invasion, part 2 for the expedition of the "SubCharacter Squad" and part 3 for the climatic ending), showing how she made this plan without anyone notice, I believe this could have a greater episode.
*nuzzles josh's channel* Never change dude I love your content *pats and gives a cookie*
*watches rest of review*
16:01 eeyep. Creeped the bejeezers outta me when i saw that scene too.
omg i am so happy he finally reviewed this episode....ive been waiting for this since it aired
9:40 Arlo, what are you doing here?
To be fair josh, the changlings had maybe a year to plan this comeback
Um. You're arguing with yourself.--I think that's the first sign of going insane. o.o
Also you know Sombra.....Are you an agent of Talon, Josh?
16:02-16:06
Dang it Josh! Now I can't stop imaging a Changeling wielding a combat baton against Thorax.
I had a theory that chrysalis would go break Tirek out of Tartarus bc Cerberus is easily distracted. Also they both suck up magic be it love of pure magic. Any thoughts?
possible, but I doubt it. Tirek would probably try to absorb Chrysalis's magic, and it would basically be a repeat of his debut appearance
Yeah, that becomes an issue of not IF one of them will turn on the other, but who tries it first. They'd be to busy watching out for the other one backstabbing them to really do much else.
10:10 *bangs head against the desk* Really, Josh? How can you, of all people, not mention how STUPID Chryslais' plan is? Am I the only person who, when watching that episode and hearing her plans for Celestia and Luna though "Those two are the ONLY beings besides Discord who have the power to move the sun and moon. without them, the day and night cycle is screwed. whelp, you doomed everything to die, Bug-Butt. Good job."?
I am honestly shocked YOU didn't think of this yourself, Josh. You, of all people!
Whelp this comments probably gonna be deleted anyway, so might as well have some fun with it.
0:01, I'm frankly amazed more people haven't made Lord of the Rings jokes or references relating to this.
3:18, huh nice to finally get a solid opinion from you on the Equestria girls movies. It's short but I'll take it.
3:26, someone's been playing Overwatch.
3:50 Josh your Fanboy is showing.
5:40, Yeah I got nothing that was funny.
5:54, Okay it was funny the first time, second time it was Hilarious, Good on you
6:39, eh she kind of had justification for the panic attack this time.
7:10, huh now there's an avatar reference I never thought I'd see, and yet it fits perfectly....I'm sensing a new meme.
9:23, maybe I missed it but I feel like that's the first time you used that joke.
10:07, well they did manage to surprise Cadence on her wedding and fool everyone. Odds are they've probably been planning this since they were defeated. It's not that hard to explain.
10:31 I'm sensing a running joke here. I mean are you gonna review any season 6 episodes or....?
11:35, does thorax count as a reformed villain since he was never evil to begin with? He just followed the crowd.
12:52 Solid Burn Mr. Burner. Well played
14:12, Yeah I don't have a clue what that is.
15:25, He has no magic to escape with and he's distracted by seeing dozens of the person he care most for crying and seemingly in pain, that would hinder anyone, knowing it's fake or not.
15:48, Honestly I was thinking more along the lines to Ridley Scott.
16:12, Yes you did, have a cookie.
17:38, how is she even a threat. Like you said, no followers, no place to live she's hardly dangerous.
19:05, Trixie as Harley and Starlight as Katana, huh honestly amazed Starlight isn't Deadshot, and you're El Diablo, should of seen that coming. Though does that make Thorax Killer Croc or Captain Boomerang?
You're right about Thorax not actually being a reformed villain at all though Trixie was only really a minor antagonist like Flim and Flam so there were only really two reformed villains in that group. Thorax I think was only made into his own character in the episode The Times They are a Changeling for a metaphorical analogue of discrimination against groups of people and how they can affect an individual in that group even if there's only a tangent between that person and the perception of the group as a whole.
+Jacob Cordell plus the one time trixie was a full on villain she was under the thrall of an evil, insanity inducing artifact, so yeah she barely counts as a villain
"does thorax count as a reformed villain since he was never evil to begin with? He just followed the crowd."
I agree.
"how is she even a threat. Like you said, no followers, no place to live she's hardly dangerous."
Amongst a crowd (some of which have high levels of magic) yes, but she is _still_ technically an Alicorn, so she is still a threat to some degree.
15:21 discord didn't "fall for it" with all those changelings they could have easily overpowered Discord since he has no magic and knock him out
Joshscorcher what was your reaction to the Nintendo Switch?
This was so funny!😂 It might just be because I'm watching this at 2 in the morning but I really enjoyed it.thanks for making this!😊
For me, this is easily the best episode of the season, and the second best episode of the entire series.
this season final kicked ass
Starlight made a good main character, she has the skills to be a good leader.
Trixie was just freaking amazing, i loved how supportive she was with Starlight, and her interaction with Discord was beautiful, i really hope we see more of that in the future.
Discord was... Discord, and thats why we love him.
it was good to see Thorax again,
and Chrysalis, damn it was great to see her again, and i am truly glad they didnt reform her. THE QUEEN SHALL NEVER BOW TO ANOTHER!!!! hopefully her next plan work a lot better than the last one. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!!!!!
this was a great review Josh. keep up the great work
*made a good main character
Don't worry guys, Trixie just has a serious case of trypaphobia.
14:39 I see what you did there. Two TV Tropes in one sentence. Respect
I made a MLP Justice League Movie trailer with only clips of the finale, it was disturbing on how well it fit
Also, is it just me or are Changelings terrible actors, from Chrysalis doing a piss poor job at acting not suspicious to all of them imposing the Ponyville Ponies
RiderNexus m
15:30 To answer your question, never underestimate the power of a horde of crying Fluttershys.
at 6:29 did anyone else hear "need a dispenser here!".
yes i did