Been obsessed with Infinite ever since Forces came out, and it makes me so happy to see people talk about him positively. Honestly I love through the Phantom Ruby he's become genuinely incredibly powerful, while showing time and again that his own fear of being seen as "weak" becomes hia downfall. And I am SO glad you bring up how Infinite and the Avatar parallel each other. They are the other's foil.
To me, infinite is the definition of “having great power, but not knowing how to use it.” This guy could be a universal threat if he didn’t waste time, trying to torment his foes and let them live to fight another day just so he can see them runaway in fear. That’s not an insult, if anything, I think it’s actually a pretty good character flaw for a villain. But in terms of pure power, if you took away his vanity, he would definitely be a force to be reckoned with.
That's the perfect interpretation. He literally has limitless power, so he could've recreated reality he could've killed everyone on the planet without lifting a finger. He really did just not know ow to use his power to it's fullest. Infinite's backstory or life doesn't even match with his character beside the fact that he's supposed to be a bunch of the toughest villains in one and that he's way edgier than Shadow.
I’m just relieved to know that I’m not the only person who views Infinite like this. Infinite is one of my favourite villains in the Sonic universe. He caused so much damage in a short amount of time & is somehow always a step ahead whilst unwittingly taking 2 steps back (until the very end). Thanks for putting all this in video form!
At last, somebody putting some respect on my boi Infinite’s name. So many people focus on how bad Forces was, the terrible writing, and that weird Episode Shadow scene, often ignoring Infinite’s feats and actual abilities. He (along with the Phantom Ruby) have such unique and potentially frightening abilities, much like Ruvik from the Evil Within. I would absolutely love to see Infinite return someday, playing the role of the true main villain and final boss. His potential is higher than most Sonic villains, and let’s be real: His design is just too cool to waste in Forces of all games.
@@fatalfractal1298From what I’ve seen of Overclocked (Dolphin Deck’s play through), the writing is substantially better. It made Infinite a true terror while giving Metal Sonic a fresh new role, and both villains had surprisingly good chemistry. Infinite screwing over Eggman and renaming his army the Phantom Army? Chef’s kiss!
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker yeah but it there was a scene where infinite and metal sonic confront Sonic and character they battle it out was about to win however, metal sonic did praying Mantis villains move for dummies and send your avatar to Null Space leaving Sonic to after him. Infinite then argues with Neo Metal, wondering why he let Sonic run away and he quoted he just wanted to break Sonic spirit and make his efforts meaningless.😮💨 Understand why writer want their hero to lives without the heroes, how they going to continue the franchise without main character.
I get what they were going for, but damn the writing was horrible. Infinite could’ve been the Darth Maul of the Sonic the Hedgehog universe under a better writer instead of being considered mid. Hopefully if Sega is willing to give him a second chance, Ian Flynn and writers of IDW could fix him like how they fix the Deady Six.
@@SonicTheory96 agree with you on that one. The deadly six proves that there are no such things as bad characters, just bad writers for characters. If Ian Flynn and IDW can turn Zavok, Zazz, Zomom, Master Zik, Zeena and Zor into the unrefined versions of Knightfall-Arkham Origin Bane, kid friendly Carnage, quick to anger Fat Buu, Ra’s Al Ghul, narcissistic Poison Ivy and emo Scarecrow, they can turn Infinite into the Darth Maul of the Sonic Universe.
@@BBK113 it was a lot of things I don’t like about Phantom Menace, mainly, it’s pacing, some of the dialogues, and it’s poor timing when it comes to humor but Darth maul was one of the several graces. Also, Jar Jar what is okay character Who suffer from poor writing and poor timing on jokes.
@@MayanFrighter100000 Maul in the Phantom Menace is hard carried by cool factor alone, he's utilized so much better during the clone wars and I liked his ending in rebels
I think the main misconception comes from how _unclear_ the Phantom Rubies abilities are... Like, they say "oh hey these are just illusions, they aren't real," but then also make it a point that you can still be _hurt_ by the so called "illusions." At that point how are they illusions? He can literally alter reality. He also just happens to be pretty _terrible_ at using his powers competently. Every time you face him in-game he's kind of a pushover.
Story vs gameplay segregation though the conclusion I’ve gathered it’s similar to the idea of conceptual reality/cognitive distortion in a sense from where you think something is happening it is happening for example if you believe you’ve been shot you have been shot then you feel the pain of it and yes Infinite is a pushover him getting the drop on Sonic and Shadow in the prologue can be attributed to being caught off guard if at any point the phantom ruby has its power negated he’s beaten pretty easily infact infinite himself got his ass kicked by Sonic twice after he was empowered by the ruby by Shadow in a curbstomp fashion to where he wasn’t even a blip on his radar before the ruby enhancement and by your oc when the Ruby’s abilities were stymied by the prototype he has carrying Plus he is as arrogant as he is foolish with his abilities but that’s not to say the Ruby is limitless like the emeralds are even when Eggman used the “full power” of the ruby against the hero trio neither Super Sonic or the typical power trio of Sonic Tails or Knuckles were needed to beat him even though logical use of ruby _could’ve_ made infinite to be the most dangerous threat so far excluding Dark Gaia and Solaris
I always took it as the ohantom ruby makes the illusions physical to anyone under its power, so for example the sun infinite made was only real to the resistance and the eggman empire saw no sun above them So basically it messes with reality but needs people that can see that and probably the more people the stronger the alteration of reality becomes
I love how half the comments are people feeling sorry for infinite and the other half are people talking about him getting Thwomped. Damn, death battle made his reputation go down the drain
@SonicTheory96 Yeah he is still an intriguing character. Also hey, on the bright side death battle brought me and a lot more viewers to your video! Thats a win
Nah they Came back with this fight. Even mfers on Sonic's side knew he was cooked the moment King Boo was mentioned. It's illusions vs reality warping frfr
All I needed to see was that Infinite has limitless power to know that he's more powerful than people think. People would be wise to not underestimate people like that. He just had bad writing and whether writing is good or bad, there's always gonna be someone with bad taste who will think the writing is bad. Infinite should return and so should the custom character.
Excellent work on this analysis! You perfectly encapsulated many elements that make me hold Infinite and Sonic Forces as a whole in such affection and fascination despite its flaws and how much scrutiny it gets.
Honestly what would make him even more interesting is pointing out my theory that the phantom Ruby is actually a bootstrap paradox of egg man's research of the time stones! Also I'm currently using him as the main villain in a fanfiction against the diamond cutters
Idk about that one; maybe the line delivery would sell it, but on paper, it kinda sounds like “I will teach you pain and fear… then… pain… and fear, and pain, and itching and… and fear and… pain… Sooo much paiiin… so much pain…”
Oh my gosh, I LOVED WATCHING THIS VIDEO! I’ve been saying these things and to hear them voiced in a well-put-together video is amazing!! Over 15 mins video about Infinite bringing up good points about him, I LOVE IT! 🤩 Thanks for making this!
Infinite's scaling is insane, Eggman considers him 1000 times more powerful than any of his past plans and is stated in the guides to be more powerful than any villain Sonic faced before. Sonic and the custom character require the power of friendship to beat Infinite, something that can power the chaos emeralds.
I always loved infinites power to its lantern ring similarities It’s arguably better than the rings since the construct’s can act basically as independent as you allow it not to mention you can just flat out creat a pocket dimension
Deathbattle has ensured Infinite will never be taken seriously again Its kind of sad to be honest, he has potential, he shown some of it, and now everybody will know him as "the guy who lost to a thwomp"
This video highlights one of my frustrations with Sonic stories over the years. I really dislike these prequel comics/animations. The magic conch shell from Lost World was such a random one-off element, but I'm pretty sure it was introduced in a prequel comic. Infinite's entire reason for working with Eggman, as well as various other story elements of Sonic Forces, were locked behind these comics. The entire reason for Knuckles showing up in Frontiers was explained in a prequel animation on social media (there was also a prequel comic, but there wasn't too much there you couldn't already infer from the game itself). The entire set-up for what was going on in Sonic Superstars was locked behind a prequel comic and an online animation. I don't mind supplementary material for these games, but when every major game requires some sort of external reading/viewing to fully grasp what's going on, it starts to become a bit wearisome.
Understandable, though I would argue that most of these prequel comics or shorts are supplemental to the story. While being a nice edition for fans that want more, the games usually do a fine job exploring the story they want to within the game itself. Thats just my opinion though 😁
Despite what most think, Infinite is far more powerful than any enemy before Forces. Iirc he’s a trillion times stronger according to the Japanese version.
What a sensational video, I wish more fans of the franchise would watch this and understand what Infinite is (or what it was supposed to be). I don't understand SEGA continuing to use him as products or skins in some random games, and leaving him aside in canon things like IDW itself, and I know that Ian Flynn would do a good job to fix it, but this comes SEGA wants, and we know if it depends he will come in another commemorative game as a random boss. I really hope that Infinite comes back, in fact, he has become my favorite character since the concept art.
Infinite had soo much potential, the idea was there, but the execution and how he was written…. It’s gotten to a point where infinite from speed battle is more threatening/powerful than him, it’s just rlly sad. Also, love the warlock infinite thumbnail, looks sick 🔥
I never said Skull Kid was a zombie. He's an undead. And Infinite may be a living being, but Skull Kid and Infinite share the same pain. Both have done similar things. They are basically the same person.
@@TheGooseOfChaos will note though that, as much as I love the Zero headcanon and use it myself a lot, official word is he's always been named Infinite even before he got the Phantom Ruby.
Death battle (a mass majority of the time) is about as accurate as a man with Parkinson's trying to piss into a thimble thirty yards away Into the wind. Which is to say, not at all.
I also loved Infinite , and a little surprised he did not show up as a boss in Shadow Generations, has awesome super powers and plus he is an actual original create character instead of a reskin like Memphis !
I think one of the reasons infinite chose to work with egg man was one because of power of course but also because the other option was probably deaf infinite in his squad had just found out about egg man‘s new secret weapon. He wouldn’t just let them go easily.
Eggman states that the phamtom ruby + infinite is his greatest creation, eggman managed to modify and control the the time eater in the past, this makes it seem like eggman considered the power of the phamtom ruby to be greater than the time eater who took 2 super hedgehogs to be defeated with the time eater easily being able to one shot modern and classic sonic at once, same modern sonic who could now defeat perfect chaos in his base form showing that the phamtom ruby in the wrong hands CAN MAKE A REALLY BIG MESS showing that it does make sense that eggman could take control of the world almost entirely, plus, eggman was so sure of the power of the phamtom ruby that he stated that he wouldn't even need the master emerald anymore suggesting that if used correctly by the right person, the ruby could be more powerful than the master emerald, now, you could say that is an hyperbole in eggman's part since he was still testing the phamtom ruby being a classic moment of eggman's ego and i wouldn't say you're wrong since it is possible, but eggman is usually right about these things, like how he was right in saying metal sonic could only be defeated with the chaos emeralds or his assumptions about solaris which were right the phamtom ruby clones are said to be just as powerful as the original ones, the game doesn't quite reflect it very well with only a few being notable clones but it's still something that could be spammed and used to overwhelm others like it did to sonic and shadow (who stated he couldn't win against a big bunch alone since they would keep showing up), the null void is an infinitely sized dimension, the phamtom ruby is one of the most powerful items in the sonic series, let's not forget that classic sonic nedeed to go super sonic to defeat the heavy king with the phamtom ruby, classic is much weaker but should be remotely comparable to his modern self so my ideal powerscaling for sonic villains up to forces would be Infinite > Time Eater > Nega Wisp Armor > Zavok
I agree with the most part, however I still don't believe the Phantom Ruby is more powerful than the Master Emerald, since in the recent Sonic Central stories, which are canon to the games, where Super Sonic fight against "Super Eggman" and he uses the phantom ruby to create these universes and Super Sonic basically punches and destroys each one of them till he defeats and breaks the Ruby. Which proves that the Phantom Ruby is not even more powerful than the Chaos Emeralds.
Also Solaris isn't a creation he is a God and Time Eater wasn't his creation as well he just was amped at the end as he was already powerfully from the start also it was the prototype which was weaker than the original
The phantom ruby is definetly not stronger than the Master emerald, only the overflow que energy, the little bits that cant be contained within it are able to lift the whole of angel island, it isnt even a real fraction of the Master Emerald's power, its just TOO powerful It even trascends space and time, the Master emerald is exactly the same in past present and future and all other timelines and dimentions as confirmed by Sonic Rivals
@@TheSilverCanine_R3D-H true, the writing really fucked his character. He was supposed to be this big threat that finally gave Eggman the upper hand, but in the end he was just... Well, underwhelming. The concept was cool, the execution not so much
All he needed to be a perfect Sonic villain 1: Actually, be the main villain with no Eggman involvement whatsoever 2: Not only should he look more menacing, but he souldve got a major power boost at the climax like somehow unearthing Pandora's box and absorbing all of its power to become near unstoppable
Context: Infinite changed the gravity pull which King Boo thought of the most disrespectful defeat to him ever aka by using a Thwomp because of the Gravitational Pull and the Thwomp would have SO MUCH FORCE.
If i were to bring Infinite back into the story somehow, it would probably go something like this. The avatar, after departing the Resistance, has lingering thoughts about Infinite and the dialogues they had during the war. Things like 'you can only count on yourself' and the final plea he makes before being warped into the ruby being betrayed by Eggman. With this in mind he sets out to attempt to find Infinite. (If i were a writer i would retcon the scene where the Avatars ruby was shattered and show them having it with them in secret. Thus a legitmate reason to find Infinite to maybe train the avatar on how to use it.) After several plot elements and scenes they would eventually find Infinite in a secret Eggman facility, but then realizing that this isnt Infinite, but Zero. (yes i know its not his canon name) Implying that the Infinite we fought during the war was nothing but the result of the doctors experiments, which would match some things said and shown in Forces, such as Amy and Tails comments made during Final Judgment and the opening scene of Eggmans monologue in a room of tanks with one of them holding infinite. The game would then be about Zero discovering what had actually happened during Shadows raid on the base where he went blow for blow with Shadow until he used chaos spear to put Zero out of commission, leaving him for dead. Eggman would find Zero and have the perfect test subject for the ruby experiments. Thus implementing that Infinites memories are all implanted by the doctor. Plot twist/device would be that Zero would still have his Phantom Ruby abilities because of the experiments, periodically losing control of his actions, lashing out at the avatar and experience hallucinations/visions of a warped version of Infinite assaulting him relentlessly with the Avatar having to intervene with their ruby. The game would then be about choosing an ending based on the avatars choices where either Zero falls back into Infinite or becomes a sort of Anti-hero with the avatar at his side. (Sorry for the long rant. Needed to get this out there.)
@@InfiniteThePhantomJackal Thanks. Couple of details I neglected to mention would be that Zero would also be playable and part of the 'different endings' would also require for Zero to find 'collectables' regarding his past and what led to the showdown with Shadow. A sort of 'breaking through the illusion.' Where if you find all the collectables you would then trigger a flashback level where you play out the raid from Zeros perspective and then have the fight with Shadow, shown to be more evenly matched. Zero gets the upper hand and knocks down Shadow. Turning to try and contact his squad, still somewhat delirious from the whole debacle, failing to realize Shadow is back up and hits him with a chaos spear in the back. Collapsing, fading out of consciousness, Shadow leaves without a word. Sometime later Eggman shows up retrieving him and cackles about how it's time to move to live subject testing. The mission then ends with flashing scenes of the experiments in a horror esc fashion.
There's honestly no character I want to see "redeemed" in this new era of Sonic more than Infinite, there's such a great amount of potential with him, I think having him as a villain who could show up every now and then would be fantastic. At least we have Sonic Forces Overclocked to give me some of that, but obviously that's unofficial.
Forces should have shown Shadow taking down Infinites squad, having Infinite step in and challenging shadow, then having Shadow absolutely body him. Cut out Infinites tandrum and write so Eggman essentially saved his life, giving Infinite a reaso to stay loyal to Eggman
Taking into account how the Phantom Ruby works, I do think he can scale close if not match threats like Bill Cipher. However, if a piece of rock with a face in it were to drop on him, it’s over
Infinite deserves better. This guy had every goated trait you could imagine, except for probably the most important aspect of a main character, motivation. My guy just got bullied once by Shadow and THAT was why he fully turned evil.
They told when they should've showed, no boss fight or viewpoint shift. Just shadow kicking some rando's ass. Like, I like Infinite but he was completely botched, even if I like what they were going for
“Infinite got one shot by a thwomp L” dude, Death Battle is known to be wildly inaccurate, and isn’t even canon to the Sonic timeline, let alone official.
I've consistently seen Infinite as a villain with so much potential that was unfortunately wasted due to poor writing, and I'm glad this video exists. It separates the good qualities from the bad - which unfortunately many people don't do, instead opting to tie both together and hate on them both - and shows just why Infinite was such a good idea. I seriously hope he gets a second chance through another major role in the future because he didn't deserve the writing that the writers of the game gave him.
@@coolperson598 what do you mean slightly? Its made by a bunch of people that has been versusing characters for YEARS! And duh its not cannon... Seriously...
@@MrDepraved somewhat made by a bunch of people that have been versusing characters for years, who have their own opinions about how scenarios would happen
Death battle (a mass majority of the time) is about as accurate as a man with Parkinson's trying to piss into a thimble thirty yards away Into the wind.
@@wandering_nobodybro, are you copypasting this message everytime someone brings up Death Battle? They are not right 100% and there is valid criticism that can be made about their content, but this just makes you sound like you are angry at then for making the character you like lost
@@slimer44producciones3 My apologies. I am not angry that Infinite died to a Thwomp, I'm just fed up with the hearing the same joke over and over again. If *you* can stand hearing "Infinite = Thwomp fodder" joke ad nauseum, then you are stronger than I, but I *can't.*
I really hope we get to see more of Infinite in the future. Sonic Team does this weird thing where if a game flops, they sweep its characters under the rug and try to make us forget about them. They did it with Silver, and he and Infinite’s designs and powers are too cool to be wasted
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Been obsessed with Infinite ever since Forces came out, and it makes me so happy to see people talk about him positively.
Honestly I love through the Phantom Ruby he's become genuinely incredibly powerful, while showing time and again that his own fear of being seen as "weak" becomes hia downfall.
And I am SO glad you bring up how Infinite and the Avatar parallel each other. They are the other's foil.
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Thwomp: “please, after im done with him, that positivity wont last long.”
чуваки увидевшие эту анимацию снова высираются 🤩🤘🏻 и пофиг что это просто не канон))
@@gorebonebunny Uhhh.... wha?
Infinite is my favorite character since forces. I hope he gets in a movie one day
To me, infinite is the definition of “having great power, but not knowing how to use it.”
This guy could be a universal threat if he didn’t waste time, trying to torment his foes and let them live to fight another day just so he can see them runaway in fear.
That’s not an insult, if anything, I think it’s actually a pretty good character flaw for a villain. But in terms of pure power, if you took away his vanity, he would definitely be a force to be reckoned with.
That's the perfect interpretation. He literally has limitless power, so he could've recreated reality he could've killed everyone on the planet without lifting a finger. He really did just not know ow to use his power to it's fullest. Infinite's backstory or life doesn't even match with his character beside the fact that he's supposed to be a bunch of the toughest villains in one and that he's way edgier than Shadow.
The weapon alone isn't dangerous.
It's how you use the weapon.
@@DialingDock2 True dat!
I'm working on other projects atm, but I'll see if I can rework this interpretation into a fanfic of mine.
Would love to see him return, too bad Sega killed him off
I’m just relieved to know that I’m not the only person who views Infinite like this. Infinite is one of my favourite villains in the Sonic universe. He caused so much damage in a short amount of time & is somehow always a step ahead whilst unwittingly taking 2 steps back (until the very end).
Thanks for putting all this in video form!
Unrelated, but I very much enjoy your music mashups!
EXCELLENT WORK. SONIC THEORY INFINITE EXPLAINS 👍 VIDEO
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At last, somebody putting some respect on my boi Infinite’s name. So many people focus on how bad Forces was, the terrible writing, and that weird Episode Shadow scene, often ignoring Infinite’s feats and actual abilities. He (along with the Phantom Ruby) have such unique and potentially frightening abilities, much like Ruvik from the Evil Within. I would absolutely love to see Infinite return someday, playing the role of the true main villain and final boss. His potential is higher than most Sonic villains, and let’s be real: His design is just too cool to waste in Forces of all games.
Ikr
Ok fox question what do you think bout Sonic focus overclock dlc is it same bad writing then original?
@@fatalfractal1298From what I’ve seen of Overclocked (Dolphin Deck’s play through), the writing is substantially better. It made Infinite a true terror while giving Metal Sonic a fresh new role, and both villains had surprisingly good chemistry. Infinite screwing over Eggman and renaming his army the Phantom Army? Chef’s kiss!
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker yeah but it there was a scene where infinite and metal sonic confront Sonic and character they battle it out was about to win however, metal sonic did praying Mantis villains move for dummies and send your avatar to Null Space leaving Sonic to after him. Infinite then argues with Neo Metal, wondering why he let Sonic run away and he quoted he just wanted to break Sonic spirit and make his efforts meaningless.😮💨 Understand why writer want their hero to lives without the heroes, how they going to continue the franchise without main character.
He dopt the sun like is was nothing, really cool.
I get what they were going for, but damn the writing was horrible. Infinite could’ve been the Darth Maul of the Sonic the Hedgehog universe under a better writer instead of being considered mid. Hopefully if Sega is willing to give him a second chance, Ian Flynn and writers of IDW could fix him like how they fix the Deady Six.
The writing really did a huge disservice to his character
@@SonicTheory96 agree with you on that one. The deadly six proves that there are no such things as bad characters, just bad writers for characters. If Ian Flynn and IDW can turn Zavok, Zazz, Zomom, Master Zik, Zeena and Zor into the unrefined versions of Knightfall-Arkham Origin Bane, kid friendly Carnage, quick to anger Fat Buu, Ra’s Al Ghul, narcissistic Poison Ivy and emo Scarecrow, they can turn Infinite into the Darth Maul of the Sonic Universe.
That's not saying much since Maul sucked in The Phantom Menace
@@BBK113 it was a lot of things I don’t like about Phantom Menace, mainly, it’s pacing, some of the dialogues, and it’s poor timing when it comes to humor but Darth maul was one of the several graces. Also, Jar Jar what is okay character Who suffer from poor writing and poor timing on jokes.
@@MayanFrighter100000 Maul in the Phantom Menace is hard carried by cool factor alone, he's utilized so much better during the clone wars and I liked his ending in rebels
I think the main misconception comes from how _unclear_ the Phantom Rubies abilities are... Like, they say "oh hey these are just illusions, they aren't real," but then also make it a point that you can still be _hurt_ by the so called "illusions." At that point how are they illusions? He can literally alter reality.
He also just happens to be pretty _terrible_ at using his powers competently. Every time you face him in-game he's kind of a pushover.
Story vs gameplay segregation though the conclusion I’ve gathered it’s similar to the idea of conceptual reality/cognitive distortion in a sense from where you think something is happening it is happening for example if you believe you’ve been shot you have been shot then you feel the pain of it and yes Infinite is a pushover him getting the drop on Sonic and Shadow in the prologue can be attributed to being caught off guard if at any point the phantom ruby has its power negated he’s beaten pretty easily infact infinite himself got his ass kicked by Sonic twice after he was empowered by the ruby by Shadow in a curbstomp fashion to where he wasn’t even a blip on his radar before the ruby enhancement and by your oc when the Ruby’s abilities were stymied by the prototype he has carrying
Plus he is as arrogant as he is foolish with his abilities but that’s not to say the Ruby is limitless like the emeralds are even when Eggman used the “full power” of the ruby against the hero trio neither Super Sonic or the typical power trio of Sonic Tails or Knuckles were needed to beat him even though logical use of ruby _could’ve_ made infinite to be the most dangerous threat so far excluding Dark Gaia and Solaris
I always took it as the ohantom ruby makes the illusions physical to anyone under its power, so for example the sun infinite made was only real to the resistance and the eggman empire saw no sun above them
So basically it messes with reality but needs people that can see that and probably the more people the stronger the alteration of reality becomes
@@J_E_R_S-t6cseems like that.
I thought of it like his illusions weren't directed towards anyone in specific, but rather towards reality itself. Making the basically real
I just saw it that it could make illusions and the user could choose whether they're psychosomatic or not
My favorite sonic villain
Finally getting respect
*sniff*
Im not crying, Your crying
Bruh
Ikr
Infinite's my favourite too
Yes, I really liked his character, shame the game he debuted in wasn't the best...
My boy finally got the respect that they didn't gave him
I love how half the comments are people feeling sorry for infinite and the other half are people talking about him getting Thwomped.
Damn, death battle made his reputation go down the drain
His reputation was already rough too lol! I still think he's a very interesting character though
@SonicTheory96 Yeah he is still an intriguing character. Also hey, on the bright side death battle brought me and a lot more viewers to your video! Thats a win
@@SonicTheory96 i think infinite the jackal wii be anti-hero on future. is real.
Nah they Came back with this fight. Even mfers on Sonic's side knew he was cooked the moment King Boo was mentioned. It's illusions vs reality warping frfr
@@Running9750you dont understand infinite than, because his illusions literally become reality as stated by Tails
All I needed to see was that Infinite has limitless power to know that he's more powerful than people think. People would be wise to not underestimate people like that. He just had bad writing and whether writing is good or bad, there's always gonna be someone with bad taste who will think the writing is bad. Infinite should return and so should the custom character.
Excellent work on this analysis! You perfectly encapsulated many elements that make me hold Infinite and Sonic Forces as a whole in such affection and fascination despite its flaws and how much scrutiny it gets.
There's some really great stuff in Forces despite all its flaws 😁
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Honestly what would make him even more interesting is pointing out my theory that the phantom Ruby is actually a bootstrap paradox of egg man's research of the time stones! Also I'm currently using him as the main villain in a fanfiction against the diamond cutters
Nice. I might want to read it.
Where can i read that?
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“Stand proud, Infinite. You're strong.”
- said Mephiles, without being fused with Iblis.
@@LmaoLeviBRO CAN WE HAVE A VIDEO WITHOUT THIS TYPE OF COMMENT
Thwomp:"i will never forget you for as long as i live."
@@kennethtristangaming3674Thwomp:URGH!
“URGH” -Thwomp
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I always see it as infinite veiws power being how much someone is worth
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All that just to get solo’ed by a brick is crazy 😭🙏
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Let's not forget infinite has a legitimately good cold line in.
"i will teach you pain then fear...then... Well at least the pain and fear will stop"
Idk about that one; maybe the line delivery would sell it, but on paper, it kinda sounds like “I will teach you pain and fear… then… pain… and fear, and pain, and itching and… and fear and… pain… Sooo much paiiin… so much pain…”
Honestly he just kinds felt a bit too edgy honestly but where it's coming from I got where it's at
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Oh my gosh, I LOVED WATCHING THIS VIDEO! I’ve been saying these things and to hear them voiced in a well-put-together video is amazing!! Over 15 mins video about Infinite bringing up good points about him, I LOVE IT! 🤩
Thanks for making this!
Thwomp: Are you sure about that?
URGG!
URGG!
Infinite: PLEASE THWOMP I NEED THIS 😭😭
URGH!!
“OURGH!” -👺🗿
Infinite's scaling is insane, Eggman considers him 1000 times more powerful than any of his past plans and is stated in the guides to be more powerful than any villain Sonic faced before.
Sonic and the custom character require the power of friendship to beat Infinite, something that can power the chaos emeralds.
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A large sentient rectangle stone with spikes on all sides:
Twhomp:URGH!
That medieval Infinite's looking pretty fire though.
After watching the Death Battle several times, I really needed this.
Infinite: *increases gravity*
King boo: "You activated my trap card! I play thwomp!"
Infinite: you bi*ch! This is why no one play with you King Boo!
*Thwomp Intensifies*
I Always like Infinite never have a Problem with his Character I hope I see him comeback In the future
I always loved infinites power to its lantern ring similarities
It’s arguably better than the rings since the construct’s can act basically as independent as you allow it not to mention you can just flat out creat a pocket dimension
Thwomp:URGH!
@ eyyyyy 🫰
Thwomp sends his regards
Thwomp:URGH!
the classic "I suffered so why shouldn't they" vs "I suffered so they wouldn't have to" battle
Thwomp:URGH!
Thwomp solo
Thwomp:URGH!
King Boo’s counter argument: *UURRGH!*
*Drops Twomp on Infinite*
Thwomp:URGH!
*Thwomp noises*
URGHH
Deathbattle has ensured Infinite will never be taken seriously again
Its kind of sad to be honest, he has potential, he shown some of it, and now everybody will know him as "the guy who lost to a thwomp"
This video highlights one of my frustrations with Sonic stories over the years. I really dislike these prequel comics/animations. The magic conch shell from Lost World was such a random one-off element, but I'm pretty sure it was introduced in a prequel comic. Infinite's entire reason for working with Eggman, as well as various other story elements of Sonic Forces, were locked behind these comics. The entire reason for Knuckles showing up in Frontiers was explained in a prequel animation on social media (there was also a prequel comic, but there wasn't too much there you couldn't already infer from the game itself). The entire set-up for what was going on in Sonic Superstars was locked behind a prequel comic and an online animation. I don't mind supplementary material for these games, but when every major game requires some sort of external reading/viewing to fully grasp what's going on, it starts to become a bit wearisome.
Understandable, though I would argue that most of these prequel comics or shorts are supplemental to the story. While being a nice edition for fans that want more, the games usually do a fine job exploring the story they want to within the game itself. Thats just my opinion though 😁
Infinite has potential he needs to come back
Infinite needs to team up with Mephiles
@@JT_Toons Agreed
@@JT_Toonshe needs to follow mephiles steps
He’s in SonicForces Overclocked
Despite what most think, Infinite is far more powerful than any enemy before Forces. Iirc he’s a trillion times stronger according to the Japanese version.
the devious and cheeky Thwomp:
Thwomp:URGH!
*"IM NOT WEAK!"*
Me: "okie 😐"
King Boo: 😐
What a sensational video, I wish more fans of the franchise would watch this and understand what Infinite is (or what it was supposed to be). I don't understand SEGA continuing to use him as products or skins in some random games, and leaving him aside in canon things like IDW itself, and I know that Ian Flynn would do a good job to fix it, but this comes SEGA wants, and we know if it depends he will come in another commemorative game as a random boss. I really hope that Infinite comes back, in fact, he has become my favorite character since the concept art.
Infinite is Sonic Team’s edgy OP son. They know people like him, but they view him and Sage as Eggman-essential characters
Infinite had soo much potential, the idea was there, but the execution and how he was written…. It’s gotten to a point where infinite from speed battle is more threatening/powerful than him, it’s just rlly sad. Also, love the warlock infinite thumbnail, looks sick 🔥
Certainly a time for this to be in my feed.
Hope he comes back with some writers who care
Thwomp:URGH!
Zero/Infinite The Jackal is just like his Nintendo Counterpart Skull Kid. And he's not weak. He's an undead.
I'm sorry what? Infinite/Zero was never a zombie and neither was Skull Kid.
I never said Skull Kid was a zombie. He's an undead. And Infinite may be a living being, but Skull Kid and Infinite share the same pain. Both have done similar things. They are basically the same person.
Zero to Infinite...? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Yeah.
@@TheGooseOfChaos will note though that, as much as I love the Zero headcanon and use it myself a lot, official word is he's always been named Infinite even before he got the Phantom Ruby.
I view Infinite now less stupid. Sonic Forces has bad writing but I now see the story hey aimed for. Also your avatar looks very cute, love her.
Thanks! I had fun customizing her 😊
Watching this after the deathbattle is so funny
Thwomp:URGH!
I needed to see this video. Thank you for making this. Hopefully it helps other fans.
Me finding this right after watching the Bowser vs Eggman Deathbattle: 👀
Death battle (a mass majority of the time) is about as accurate as a man with Parkinson's trying to piss into a thimble thirty yards away Into the wind. Which is to say, not at all.
@@wandering_nobody I didn't know Parkinson man turned into Hawkeye when pissing
Might as well calle then "The Sniper"
@@wandering_nobodyyea theres no way that infinite survived that long
@@wandering_nobodyThwomp:URGH!
@@wandering_nobodyoh no anyway
URGH
I also loved Infinite , and a little surprised he did not show up as a boss in Shadow Generations, has awesome super powers and plus he is an actual original create character instead of a reskin like Memphis !
I think one of the reasons infinite chose to work with egg man was one because of power of course but also because the other option was probably deaf infinite in his squad had just found out about egg man‘s new secret weapon. He wouldn’t just let them go easily.
Thwomp: stand proud you are strong
The thwomp on the ceiling:
Lol
Thwomp:URGH!
sad for him that he got one shot by thwomp
Wonder how king boo feels about that
King Boo definitely Requiem that thwomps.He don’t fw infinite
Thwomp:URGH!
@@Minhjago Idk I think King Boo snubs his ass
Eggman states that the phamtom ruby + infinite is his greatest creation, eggman managed to modify and control the the time eater in the past, this makes it seem like eggman considered the power of the phamtom ruby to be greater than the time eater who took 2 super hedgehogs to be defeated with the time eater easily being able to one shot modern and classic sonic at once, same modern sonic who could now defeat perfect chaos in his base form showing that the phamtom ruby in the wrong hands CAN MAKE A REALLY BIG MESS showing that it does make sense that eggman could take control of the world almost entirely, plus, eggman was so sure of the power of the phamtom ruby that he stated that he wouldn't even need the master emerald anymore suggesting that if used correctly by the right person, the ruby could be more powerful than the master emerald, now, you could say that is an hyperbole in eggman's part since he was still testing the phamtom ruby being a classic moment of eggman's ego and i wouldn't say you're wrong since it is possible, but eggman is usually right about these things, like how he was right in saying metal sonic could only be defeated with the chaos emeralds or his assumptions about solaris which were right
the phamtom ruby clones are said to be just as powerful as the original ones, the game doesn't quite reflect it very well with only a few being notable clones but it's still something that could be spammed and used to overwhelm others like it did to sonic and shadow (who stated he couldn't win against a big bunch alone since they would keep showing up), the null void is an infinitely sized dimension, the phamtom ruby is one of the most powerful items in the sonic series, let's not forget that classic sonic nedeed to go super sonic to defeat the heavy king with the phamtom ruby, classic is much weaker but should be remotely comparable to his modern self
so my ideal powerscaling for sonic villains up to forces would be
Infinite > Time Eater > Nega Wisp Armor > Zavok
I agree with the most part, however I still don't believe the Phantom Ruby is more powerful than the Master Emerald, since in the recent Sonic Central stories, which are canon to the games, where Super Sonic fight against "Super Eggman" and he uses the phantom ruby to create these universes and Super Sonic basically punches and destroys each one of them till he defeats and breaks the Ruby.
Which proves that the Phantom Ruby is not even more powerful than the Chaos Emeralds.
Dont forget Infinite is (more or less) loyal to Eggman.
Also Solaris isn't a creation he is a God and Time Eater wasn't his creation as well he just was amped at the end as he was already powerfully from the start also it was the prototype which was weaker than the original
The phantom ruby is definetly not stronger than the Master emerald, only the overflow que energy, the little bits that cant be contained within it are able to lift the whole of angel island, it isnt even a real fraction of the Master Emerald's power, its just TOO powerful
It even trascends space and time, the Master emerald is exactly the same in past present and future and all other timelines and dimentions as confirmed by Sonic Rivals
@@J_E_R_S-t6cTo be fair the Emeralds are more like Batteries (Infinite Power) while the Ruby is more like the Phihlosviser Stone.
He nearly dropped the god damn sun on mobius, i think ive got a pretty good idea of how strong he is
True, but the way he was showed in the game. It didn’t feel like much weight was placed
@@TheSilverCanine_R3D-H true, the writing really fucked his character. He was supposed to be this big threat that finally gave Eggman the upper hand, but in the end he was just... Well, underwhelming. The concept was cool, the execution not so much
Infinite: I am the ultimate strength!
The indomitable Thwomp: URGG!
All he needed to be a perfect Sonic villain
1: Actually, be the main villain with no Eggman involvement whatsoever
2: Not only should he look more menacing, but he souldve got a major power boost at the climax like somehow unearthing Pandora's box and absorbing all of its power to become near unstoppable
I believe Infinite is the kind of villain that can easily be crushed with great force by a Thwomp.
Context: Infinite changed the gravity pull which King Boo thought of the most disrespectful defeat to him ever aka by using a Thwomp because of the Gravitational Pull and the Thwomp would have SO MUCH FORCE.
@@AndroEnergenictrue
@@AndroEnergenic yep, so basically Infinite killed himself... Ironic
But honestly, when was infinite ever shown using gravity in lore?
Thwomp moment
That sure is a lot of glazing for the Thwompulent One
Thwomp:URGH!
The overclocked team: write that down , WRITE THAT DOWN!!
And that is how the a great mod was made
Bro got killed by the most powerful enemy the twomp
The spiked stone: 🗿URGH
Thwomp is it's name
@Therealfogborn and thwomping is it's game
Yes we can't beat him but he can
Thwomp:
Thwomp:URGH!
If i were to bring Infinite back into the story somehow, it would probably go something like this.
The avatar, after departing the Resistance, has lingering thoughts about Infinite and the dialogues they had during the war. Things like 'you can only count on yourself' and the final plea he makes before being warped into the ruby being betrayed by Eggman. With this in mind he sets out to attempt to find Infinite.
(If i were a writer i would retcon the scene where the Avatars ruby was shattered and show them having it with them in secret. Thus a legitmate reason to find Infinite to maybe train the avatar on how to use it.)
After several plot elements and scenes they would eventually find Infinite in a secret Eggman facility, but then realizing that this isnt Infinite, but Zero. (yes i know its not his canon name) Implying that the Infinite we fought during the war was nothing but the result of the doctors experiments, which would match some things said and shown in Forces, such as Amy and Tails comments made during Final Judgment and the opening scene of Eggmans monologue in a room of tanks with one of them holding infinite.
The game would then be about Zero discovering what had actually happened during Shadows raid on the base where he went blow for blow with Shadow until he used chaos spear to put Zero out of commission, leaving him for dead. Eggman would find Zero and have the perfect test subject for the ruby experiments. Thus implementing that Infinites memories are all implanted by the doctor.
Plot twist/device would be that Zero would still have his Phantom Ruby abilities because of the experiments, periodically losing control of his actions, lashing out at the avatar and experience hallucinations/visions of a warped version of Infinite assaulting him relentlessly with the Avatar having to intervene with their ruby.
The game would then be about choosing an ending based on the avatars choices where either Zero falls back into Infinite or becomes a sort of Anti-hero with the avatar at his side. (Sorry for the long rant. Needed to get this out there.)
Oh this is so good and I have GOT to draft up an AU based on this
@@InfiniteThePhantomJackal Thanks. Couple of details I neglected to mention would be that Zero would also be playable and part of the 'different endings' would also require for Zero to find 'collectables' regarding his past and what led to the showdown with Shadow. A sort of 'breaking through the illusion.' Where if you find all the collectables you would then trigger a flashback level where you play out the raid from Zeros perspective and then have the fight with Shadow, shown to be more evenly matched. Zero gets the upper hand and knocks down Shadow. Turning to try and contact his squad, still somewhat delirious from the whole debacle, failing to realize Shadow is back up and hits him with a chaos spear in the back. Collapsing, fading out of consciousness, Shadow leaves without a word. Sometime later Eggman shows up retrieving him and cackles about how it's time to move to live subject testing. The mission then ends with flashing scenes of the experiments in a horror esc fashion.
There's honestly no character I want to see "redeemed" in this new era of Sonic more than Infinite, there's such a great amount of potential with him, I think having him as a villain who could show up every now and then would be fantastic. At least we have Sonic Forces Overclocked to give me some of that, but obviously that's unofficial.
infinite is confirmed to be dead 😭
Forces should have shown Shadow taking down Infinites squad, having Infinite step in and challenging shadow, then having Shadow absolutely body him. Cut out Infinites tandrum and write so Eggman essentially saved his life, giving Infinite a reaso to stay loyal to Eggman
Taking into account how the Phantom Ruby works, I do think he can scale close if not match threats like Bill Cipher. However, if a piece of rock with a face in it were to drop on him, it’s over
King boo, and thomp: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Infinite deserves better. This guy had every goated trait you could imagine, except for probably the most important aspect of a main character, motivation. My guy just got bullied once by Shadow and THAT was why he fully turned evil.
Bro died to a thwomp I don't want to hear it
They told when they should've showed, no boss fight or viewpoint shift. Just shadow kicking some rando's ass. Like, I like Infinite but he was completely botched, even if I like what they were going for
It just depends if he’s weak or not but still it makes sense.
“Infinite got one shot by a thwomp L” dude, Death Battle is known to be wildly inaccurate, and isn’t even canon to the Sonic timeline, let alone official.
URGGG
well they let mario win against sonic before so we already knew why they let a character that at some point was faster than sonic get killed by a rock
UURG
@@juandiegocorrea3842 something tells me they have favorites…
Also, @@obithegamer @Aromatic_VR both of you aren’t funny. You aren’t clever, you didn’t make anyone laugh, you’re just unfunny.
Infinite: I AM NOT WEAK!
Thwomp: Aww cute
I think you mean:URGH!
URGH!
been looking for a joke like this here
@@Mister_Oddity They are everywhere, just keep scrolling
King Boo: Am i a joke to you?
I've consistently seen Infinite as a villain with so much potential that was unfortunately wasted due to poor writing, and I'm glad this video exists. It separates the good qualities from the bad - which unfortunately many people don't do, instead opting to tie both together and hate on them both - and shows just why Infinite was such a good idea. I seriously hope he gets a second chance through another major role in the future because he didn't deserve the writing that the writers of the game gave him.
Death battle says otherwise
Thwomp says otherwise:URGH!
i dunno man, death battles is slightly made by a third party and not canon.
@@coolperson598 what do you mean slightly? Its made by a bunch of people that has been versusing characters for YEARS! And duh its not cannon... Seriously...
@@MrDepraved somewhat made by a bunch of people that have been versusing characters for years, who have their own opinions about how scenarios would happen
Didn’t his ass go out of commission by an oversized brick in Death Battle?
Yeah, but that’s fanfiction for ya! Anything can happen.
And it was f*cking hilarious.
Death battle (a mass majority of the time) is about as accurate as a man with Parkinson's trying to piss into a thimble thirty yards away Into the wind.
@@wandering_nobodybro, are you copypasting this message everytime someone brings up Death Battle?
They are not right 100% and there is valid criticism that can be made about their content, but this just makes you sound like you are angry at then for making the character you like lost
@@slimer44producciones3 My apologies. I am not angry that Infinite died to a Thwomp, I'm just fed up with the hearing the same joke over and over again. If *you* can stand hearing "Infinite = Thwomp fodder" joke ad nauseum, then you are stronger than I, but I *can't.*
LOST TO A THWOMP!!!
*URRGGG*
That was the last thing he heard.
The Thwomp *heavily* disagrees.
Thwomp:
the dastardly king boo:
Had me sooooo dsmn mad like I know they wouldn't win but at least give him some more screen time
@@HopefulSunsetMountain-wo7udNah, its a canon event to the sonic fanbase now 😂
Yet a thwomp can beat his ass
Thwomp:URGH!
I really hope we get to see more of Infinite in the future. Sonic Team does this weird thing where if a game flops, they sweep its characters under the rug and try to make us forget about them. They did it with Silver, and he and Infinite’s designs and powers are too cool to be wasted
i remember seeing infinite on the cover art and thought "how do i play as this guy?"
Thwomp: Nah, I'd win.
(me that just saw the new death battle animation) YEAH!?
Thwomp laughing in the corner
Mephiles,shadow,thwomp,every sonic character: Are you sure about that? * Infinite Gets killed by a bunch of characters *
Thwomp:URGH!
Thwomp victim
I saw that and was like damn not my boy infinite
9 months ago: “wow, Infinite is really powerful!! 🤩”
3 weeks ago to present: *“URGGH!”*
Sad that the Bowser vs Eggman Death Battle made a joke out of him.
He was already a joke before the death battle
Thwonp: nah I’d win🗿 UURGH
Wait till bro finds out about the thwomp
IDC i hate it because they don’t know everything about sonic. And no are even bad at transformers, bleach, dragon ball and more.
Thwomp victim 😔
He was one of my favorite villains Despite what Everyone else thought.
Seeing how people wanted him to show up in Shadow Generations, he'll probably come back in the next game
The model on the thumbnail is FIRE! It’s like, if Infinite went through a huge power boost from the phantom ruby and it’s copy’s! Where is it from?
Warlock infinite from sonic forces speed battle
*Gets his ass kicked and disrespected by shadow the legendary hedgehog*
*Also gets his ass killed by one of Bowser's loyal companions*
Infinite has to be my personal favorite villain in Sonic. His design is so good. And i wish he would make a comeback. Which i doubt they ever will