All I want from CIG is to prove people wrong for a change. The funny thing is most of the haters want that too. We want to believe... So give us a reason to already.
LOL no the haters do not want that. CIG already proved the haters wrong. 4.0 is running buttery smooth (way better than live). Only major issues (which seem to be fixed) was elevators not working and sometimes not being able to leave the hangar, but those issues exist in live right now. So if CIG gets that under wraps, 4.0 will be the best that Star Citizen has ever run AND it will be running on server meshing.
@@Billy-bc8pkunless they want to waste money, we will not get this server configuration in LIVE, less server means less sFPS, also the PTU shards are lasting a bunch of days, not scratching the amount of entities of a week old server. I’m hopeful for 4.0, but we still need way better stats for this amount of server per shard
@@haramberinokripperino7770 True, but they have kept LTP enabled, and so far PES has held strong in the server configurations they've used for the past week, much more-so compared to the current live PU. The real test will be the concurrency.
The only thing haters will accept is a 100% finished game that is completely bug free, and even then I don't think that would make them happy. I like Mike's channel because he will call out the shortcomings in the development, of which there are plenty. But he will also give credit where it is due. Which is a lot more than a lot of folks will do. So many people act like this game is 100% unplayable, and like it is always bad. But someone like Grumpy has played long enough he is well aware the servers are typically at the worst during stuff like IAE. And there is plenty of people who like to claim there is no gameplay, acting like nothing was added since the hanger module, which is obviously not true. Way to many of these people hyper fixate on the negatives, and when CIG actually does fix something, they just move on to the next thing they want to hate and be angry at. I am looking at a conversation from a couple of years ago where people are claiming Pyro was never waiting on server meshing and was just not ready to go. Perhaps that is true, but with the advantage of what I can see right now. I see Pyro is actually releasing alongside active testing of server meshing. Then in the same conversation of people saying Pyro wasn't finished and was underdeveloped and not ready for release at that point, you have people saying it was overdeveloped and the planet tech team spent to much time on it. People just calling the game an outright scam has always been common, which is obviously silly. Calling it mismanaged is one thing I could get behind. But outside of maybe megachurches I have never seen a scam spend this much money on a scam, let alone actually create anything tangible for the people they are scamming. I get it, the development has been frustrating to put it mildly. But at the end of the day, there is just some folks you can't make happy, and SC seems to have attracted a lot of them.
@ODSTGeneralYT you sound like you're arguing with me but I don't really get why. There are a lot of haters out there that would like the very thing I'm talking about. It has a long way to go. I don't like extremists on either side because anyone that is trying to pretend this game is perfect is delusional.
Star Citizen gameplay loop: Something doesn't work Is it my input? Is it a game bug? Is there a workaround? Is the server causing it? Rejoin until you find a better server Play until next thing breaks.
I remember a long time ago CIG was all glazing each other off about their amazing elevator tech. They were talking about how their elevators were real and everyone else just faked it. I thought who cares? Players literally can't tell the difference. So you spent months coding something that could have been done in 3 lines of code and from a players perspective is invisible. Good job.
@@Eneeki it's just crazy to me. They didn't need to make elevators so complicated. Just go BEEP, and move the player. It's the worst game design. This is SciFi. You could just teleport people. That would be cooler and the easiest thing to code.
A guy was trying to relate to me about how SC is very pretty and is going to be amazing after the bugs are fixed. I'm like yeah, the meticulous attention to detail really kicks ass if I could see it and interact with it from my game client as opposed to someone else's UA-cam ship review. The meticulous attention to detail and design doesn't mean jack if you can't see any of it since everything is so broken all the time.
@@KenjaTimu Everything is physical, they don't want teleport. The think is the system works well when everything else goes well, but is severely dependant on the performance of the servers which is misserable. I can imagine the game running in our local machine would run fantastic.
Grumpy is probably one of the biggest star citizen grifters out there. Worst part is he is building a little echo chamber for himself by deleting comments and banning people from his channel for critisizing his content. I wish he would just keep his word one of these times and quit the game. The only way I will ever watch his content is through your reacts
Same. While I somewhat agree with the points he makes, this whole "Ima quit this time! For real!" is getting really old and annoying. I have him blocked from my feed after the last time he did that. Because his content is, for lack of a better word, mid. And his tantrums are really cringe. Wish I could say I'm surprised he came back to SC, but I'm not. And he's gonna make a whole thing about quitting again, in a couple of months.
There was a time where he had some good takes and critiques of the devs and some of their shady practices. But that long ago devolved into salty bitter rage baiting and nitpicking. Plus he can't take criticisms very well and likes to regularly strawman/misrepresent peoples arguments.
I still remember when I first played star citizen in 2017. I went into my mustang alpha, flew somewhere and then each time without fail fell through the ground upon exiting the ship. Clipping through a planet or other surface is a core experience for every star citizen player, new and old.
6:21 I think CIG has a similar strategy as Nigerian princess. They don’t filter for gullible people with obvious typos. No, they will farm the ones that have olympic levels of bug-resistance or stockholme syndrome (optimally both) to get past a free flight and decide to suffer more of that… 😂 if free flights were not absolute shit shows, they would have more packages sold, but boi would the salt levels be even higher…
Way more stable than MS Flight Sim 24... but yes, I stay on this game for the potential. When I landed on bloom, and the music played as I got out of my ship, I felt what it could be.... it was an emotional moment, as I looked around with that epic music playing, the sun rising over the mountains hitting my ship... then I fell through the planet. But for a moment, I felt the potential.
First time I jumped to pyro, it felt like a movie with the new soundtracks and ambience. I still love this game bugs and all, I can’t play any other space game just didn’t feel the same
It's more fun thinking about playing Star Citizen than actually playing it. So many times I'm stuck waiting for the elevators and the server is laggy and unresponsive and I just alt-F4
There is a difference between legitimate criticism grounded in facts and blatant attempts at manufacturing rage for the sake of farming hate clicks aka grifting which grumpyeye 100% does. After this many years, he still cant think of anything more constructive to do than nitpick at the projects shortcomings and complain like CIG pushed him to the floor in the hallway and took all his lunch money. His channel has devolved into blatant rage baiting and hyperbole, only ever highlighting the negatives under the guise of "oh I just have different opinions that you don't like and every single person who disagrees with me are just salty white knights and shills." It's the same rhetoric every year and anyone who's been a part of this community for any significant amount of time has heard it a dozen times from him before. Oh no grumpy eye quit star citizen again. Oh no grumpy is back complaining about star citizen again. Here's grumpy back at it again with the AI thumbnails and big bold texts baiting hate clicks. Oh no grumpy quit star citizen yet again! Now he's showing all the haters by uploading a compilation of bugs. Now he's using some free fly pleb as a mouth piece for his disingenuous narrative. Oh hey who is that in the fkn front row at Citcon? Is that grumpy!?!?!? Yeah he makes salty Mike look like a shill by comparison and it's sad because he obviously plays the game and makes content around it but constantly bites the hand that feeds him by consistently throwing shade on the project. And now he's built such a longstanding following of people who are convinced the game is a scam that he can never go back to uploading any other kind of star citizen content. He built a channel on negativity and is doomed to stay negative cause that's the one card he knows how to play. Being "grumpy." I'm glad his views have fallen off and I'd be hard pressed to believe he ever breaks 10k subs.
@@GrumpyEyeGaming I bet you did which is why you deleted it when I posted it to your video. That made me laugh pretty hard too. It is pretty funny that you can talk a big game criticizing star citizen and its supporters calling them pricks but can't take criticisms yourself when people refute your baseless takes with facts and logic. I guess the comments hurt those lil feelings a bit too much lmao your echo chamber of a comments section misses you bro. Keep deleting comments and banning people because you're too sensitive to deal with people having opinions that don't perfectly mirror your own🤣 That's why after this many years you still can't break 10k subs 😜
6 min in, i think the main "problem " that keeps us in or atleast keeps us coming back time after time is the fact on the rare occasion it works its so fucking good!!! anyone saying otherwise is just not being honest with them selves. i actually get emosional thinking about those moments where it works.
Imagine the endurance the guy in the beginning has. The average new player doesnt try that long. He tries FreeFlight sees that an elevator is not coming. Quitting and then never will play or buy SC again. I wish CIG would highlight the "Guide System" more. My friend and me were guides and in 4 years we had one request. Most ppl just dont know that its there, but its most likely the better tutorial
As one of the many, MANY people who put money in SC and after the 100th crash and 523rd time being killed by standing up or sitting down and decided to wait until the game is stable, YES youre all nuts for decideing you've put so much money into it, you feel obligated to endorse the thing by playing it, even as you yourselves judge it.
i think the point about the company not caring about player retention is accurate, from a corporate slave myself this makes total sense, each player would only be worth a certain amount of $ in the current pledge model, so every player that signs up and pledges is a win, that player is unlikely to spend much more than a certain amount so if that player joins SC, spends however many $, then leaves it would be seen as an overall ideal case because there is no drain on server resources for someone who is no longer a paying customer. A good example of this was Tarkov when the PVE mode was first released, Nikita who ran the studio described their top pledgers as 'freeloaders' because they wanted all future updates for free without paying
i kinda hope CIG get live to a somewhat stable build and then slow down on the updates for live. it’s so hard to get friends to buy a game package when there is never a decent example of the game to show them and with server recovery I would love if they could add some sort of server restart for when the server fps goes super low
Yeah I play this game maybe a couple weeks of the year when updates come out, but I check on its multiple times per week all year from the outside, just waiting.
And that's why you love it, you don't even play the game 🤣 Play it for a while and you'll see all the design flaws and issues, things bug fixing can't fix.
@@BoatLoadsofDope Haha I've played plenty. I'm just not willing to spend my finite rage-tolerance points on being a (paying) quality assurance tester for a for-profit company a whole lot lately. I disagree about the direction of the game. Really liking it, which is of course opinion.
I quit watching the trailer when they promised 100,000 systems so I knew it would be fun until the procedural generation is played out, and i get bored like every single other procedural game of this kind. NMS and Elite are perfect examples. Fun for a while... not a forever game.
Have you looked at EvE Frontier? It seems like a game you might be interested it whilst we water for SC. It does look very interesting. I am curious to see how it turns out. Out tomorrow into Alpha.
I dunno man, I find that I've played this game more than any other besides maybe sea of thieves over the past 5 years. It's one of the very few games I feel like I continually want to come back to. I feel like even with the bugs it's well worth $45. Not sure why Grumpy even plays at this point if all he does is log on and get pissed about it lol
@@cosm0850 The 1.0 concept has lot more of content than now. FIrst, all what's missing now as core features must be there and the 5 star systems decided must be there.
I mean he's half right. People do quit SC when the bugs show up , but they always come back. Soooo , some people do quit the game until they think it's in a better place. But , most come back for the new major patches. o7
I'll admit, I'm watching from the outside. The only reason I've been on this quarter was to get the free IAE Academy stuff. The Save Stanton reward wasn't even enough to make me want to endure through those stages. I'll get on 4.0 at some point to see things and start the grind again, but until then, there's no carrot for me. That stang exploding right after takeoff though. hahahahahaha THAT is why I don't regret anything I've put into this. I've had so many good laughs at others AND my suffering.
i think you still playing it mike only because its kinda your job.. i was only a very small youtubers for years on SC, making cool Machinimas and trailers, and occasionnal making a video on news of the game but i was a very small effort to stop playing this game lol... i loaded it 1 time during the eptu, the jump point was not working.. that did not surprised me at all.. i will load it in 2-3 months to see if 4.0 is playable or not. iw ont give it many tries, if i spend 20 minutes trying to fight the game i always close it for another 2-3 months... to even fighting the game for 10 minute is way too much at this point and CIg does not deserve my time.
when youre playing this game you gotta keep your thoughts to whats available, and not much more; you cant look to what the game should be or youre gonna just frustrate yourself. finding fun in star citizen might currently feel like looking for bigfoot, but unlike cryptids you really can find it if you persevere through the bugs and broaden where and how you search. if it wasnt for the flight model taking a tailspin with master modes, i would never have tried any of the industry game loops, and they are now the only reason i want to go outside of arena commander anymore. its undeniable the sorry state the game still finds itself in, but there is still cool stuff to do and make fun with regardless; even if it lacks the total depth it should within the bigger picture of star citizen.
Ive never been in an org that hasnt had problem children and drama besides orgs made up entirely of people i know IRL. Its bound to happen. I’d love to invite my friends to do just that, would even be willing to buy them a package. I dont hate them though so thats unlikely for years
You can just hide behind pre-alpha though for ever!! its been what now! 13 or 14 years! and what is really frustrating is the promises of features and release dates and innuendos of a better playable releases.. this is what is really pissing people off and creating such disappointment in the community.
@@veger2001 1.0 is their aim for stability. They have taken forever but they are also building a very ambitious game that the next competitor (starfield) has no where near as many features
Haven't played for a while and then logged in for a save stanton. It was horrible experience. For first phase- constant rubberbanding of enemy ships, couple of missions didn't even count and i had to do them again, for second phase - targets not spawning, but there was spawning of large enemy groups literally on the top of my ship. 3-rd phase was most boring, just shoot idris with infinite hp, and ofcourse the mission was bugged and didn't count killed ships. Then 4th phase, where there were not any regen for the supplies we needed to buy and deliver. And ofcourse there was barely working elevators, 30ks(didn't they made some server recovery and we were supposed to not get 30k ever again?). It was downright shitty experience, especially on the contrast with the god of war ragnarok pc port i've been playing at this time, which ran perfectly at 100-150 fps on maximum settings with no bugs or other issues. Honestly i don't want to play sc anymore. This game is just doesn't work and, i suppose, never will
New ish player here, can relate to the intro. I have completed 2 box missions, rewards were shit, no confidence in being able to do PvP solo. I have a pistol but never used it in game.
I remember when they were working on converting the cryengine from 32 to 64 bit precision. Some old game dev was on a campaign telling everyone that 64 bit precision was impossible. Then the physics grids were impossible, and so on. I dunno, it's a beautiful tech demo right now. The stability doesn't match the polish of the graphics. Which eats at peoples brains. It is still very much an enthusiast / fan game right now. The average person looking for a fun game to play with friends needs to have quite a tolerance for the 47 flavors of jank that come with the game. And have no thirst for a 'feeling of progression' cause you won't get that.
You're referring to DS who has always been know to be a joke, some of CR's old collaborators thought some of the stuff he wanted wasn't feasible, in hindsight they were wrong, but at the time they probably assumed the game was supposed to come out much sooner and that the company wouldn't have survived for 10+ years without shipping a finished product. What CR did was a gamble, which would't be a bad thing hadn't he bet with other people's money.
CIG needs to just take a step back and do a complete stability patch for one phase. the instability is just insufferable for both new and old players alike. we want to like the game. we want to play. but we can't.
The issue is, one patch the game runs fine, then the next they introduce something that breaks it. Stability and optimization should always be an ongoing focus. But while there is still a lot of major changes planned to the games core systems, it is largely pointless to completely stop development when the next thing you might put out is just going to undo all the stability work you did anyways.
@@ODSTGeneralYT Elevators, doors, trains... are among other old system that shouldn't have huge changes after these are refactored for server meshing. It's something they must optimize because is the cause of major problems for many years.
@@Haegemon That assumes nothing else changing down the road will affect those systems. And again bug fixing and optimization should be ongoing. But it shouldn't be the sole focus for an in development title.
If 3.23.3 had of been stable it would have made sense but it isn't, and all the focus is now on 4.0, How can a new player have any faith in the game. (10 year backer) Grumpy's video ..10/10
So Grumpy gets back into SC, makes this video telling us he's going to wait until the wipe then bitches about what's going on. I applaud the time he's put into the production, but stick to a choice (leave or stay) and stop jumping back in and out only to complain about your indecisiveness.
One of my bigest disapointments was when hangars were finaly launched and i realised i cant spawn on them even if my medic ship is left in it just for that purpose. Transit system is a mess, and problably killed me more than players did. Thats why every freaking patch the first thing everyone do is pick a station as a respawn point. Who wants to waste 10 minutes to get to your ship every freaking time you die? ( 6min transit + 2 to get gear and 2 to get your ship.)
Like getting killed by the elevator on the first sesion and as a result the tutorial gets bugged and the elevators too, so you can't call the elevator and you get locked in the habs until a new patch is released that crashes the game on the loading screen? Yeah....the New Player Eperience.
That was a great video and oh boy that finale! You can't make that up 😂 I unsubbed from Grumpy because of all the: "I'm going to quit star citizen", nonsense. If you want to stop playing, just go. Don't keep telling me about it over and over
11:44 From diferent sites we get a total of around 20 million players total, but only 100-200K daily. Wich is much lower than the start of the year in 2024, wich had an average of around 600k players daily. So its fair to say rougly 0.5 to 1% of backers play the game. Wich blows my mind...
there is not 20 million players... They literally update daily their user account numbers, and that's including non paying accounts, It's at 5 mil something, including the free guys. 20 million is a pipe dream lol
I logged in maybe 3 or 4 times during IAE. Played for about 30-60 mins that's it. Generally wait for next patch and try out some new features and that's it. A lot of the time even logging in to just mess about with bunker missions and what not doesn't work well due to bugs so just log off and wait till next patch again.
Some advice, don't play during IAE and right after a bit patch drop. The game always gets swamped with players and the servers run like garbage. If you play in between you can still get into full servers, but have a generally smooth bug free experience.
I wish these people would just go play Elite or something until 1.0 comes out. If your perspective is "This is a buggy game" you do NOT belong here. Thank you for backing the game, come back when 1.0 is released.
Crack? That's an analogy? I like to think it's like golf. Most of the time when you do it, it's disappointing but now and then you have a good round and a few good shots.
I thought this guy quit 34 times already? 🙄
I hope he keeps coming back!
😂
everyone can make a mistake :P
I thought it was 105 times grumpy quit.
its ok
All I want from CIG is to prove people wrong for a change. The funny thing is most of the haters want that too. We want to believe... So give us a reason to already.
LOL no the haters do not want that. CIG already proved the haters wrong. 4.0 is running buttery smooth (way better than live). Only major issues (which seem to be fixed) was elevators not working and sometimes not being able to leave the hangar, but those issues exist in live right now. So if CIG gets that under wraps, 4.0 will be the best that Star Citizen has ever run AND it will be running on server meshing.
@@Billy-bc8pkunless they want to waste money, we will not get this server configuration in LIVE, less server means less sFPS, also the PTU shards are lasting a bunch of days, not scratching the amount of entities of a week old server. I’m hopeful for 4.0, but we still need way better stats for this amount of server per shard
@@haramberinokripperino7770 True, but they have kept LTP enabled, and so far PES has held strong in the server configurations they've used for the past week, much more-so compared to the current live PU. The real test will be the concurrency.
The only thing haters will accept is a 100% finished game that is completely bug free, and even then I don't think that would make them happy.
I like Mike's channel because he will call out the shortcomings in the development, of which there are plenty. But he will also give credit where it is due. Which is a lot more than a lot of folks will do. So many people act like this game is 100% unplayable, and like it is always bad. But someone like Grumpy has played long enough he is well aware the servers are typically at the worst during stuff like IAE. And there is plenty of people who like to claim there is no gameplay, acting like nothing was added since the hanger module, which is obviously not true.
Way to many of these people hyper fixate on the negatives, and when CIG actually does fix something, they just move on to the next thing they want to hate and be angry at. I am looking at a conversation from a couple of years ago where people are claiming Pyro was never waiting on server meshing and was just not ready to go. Perhaps that is true, but with the advantage of what I can see right now. I see Pyro is actually releasing alongside active testing of server meshing. Then in the same conversation of people saying Pyro wasn't finished and was underdeveloped and not ready for release at that point, you have people saying it was overdeveloped and the planet tech team spent to much time on it.
People just calling the game an outright scam has always been common, which is obviously silly. Calling it mismanaged is one thing I could get behind. But outside of maybe megachurches I have never seen a scam spend this much money on a scam, let alone actually create anything tangible for the people they are scamming.
I get it, the development has been frustrating to put it mildly. But at the end of the day, there is just some folks you can't make happy, and SC seems to have attracted a lot of them.
@ODSTGeneralYT you sound like you're arguing with me but I don't really get why. There are a lot of haters out there that would like the very thing I'm talking about. It has a long way to go. I don't like extremists on either side because anyone that is trying to pretend this game is perfect is delusional.
Star Citizen gameplay loop:
Something doesn't work
Is it my input?
Is it a game bug?
Is there a workaround?
Is the server causing it?
Rejoin until you find a better server
Play until next thing breaks.
I have developed a real life fear of elevators due to 17.2.
I remember a long time ago CIG was all glazing each other off about their amazing elevator tech.
They were talking about how their elevators were real and everyone else just faked it. I thought who cares? Players literally can't tell the difference. So you spent months coding something that could have been done in 3 lines of code and from a players perspective is invisible. Good job.
@@KenjaTimu The elevator to landing pad 2 on CRU-L1 was a meat grinder!!!
@@Eneeki it's just crazy to me. They didn't need to make elevators so complicated. Just go BEEP, and move the player. It's the worst game design. This is SciFi. You could just teleport people. That would be cooler and the easiest thing to code.
A guy was trying to relate to me about how SC is very pretty and is going to be amazing after the bugs are fixed. I'm like yeah, the meticulous attention to detail really kicks ass if I could see it and interact with it from my game client as opposed to someone else's UA-cam ship review.
The meticulous attention to detail and design doesn't mean jack if you can't see any of it since everything is so broken all the time.
@@KenjaTimu Everything is physical, they don't want teleport. The think is the system works well when everything else goes well, but is severely dependant on the performance of the servers which is misserable. I can imagine the game running in our local machine would run fantastic.
Grumpy is probably one of the biggest star citizen grifters out there. Worst part is he is building a little echo chamber for himself by deleting comments and banning people from his channel for critisizing his content. I wish he would just keep his word one of these times and quit the game. The only way I will ever watch his content is through your reacts
Same. While I somewhat agree with the points he makes, this whole "Ima quit this time! For real!" is getting really old and annoying.
I have him blocked from my feed after the last time he did that. Because his content is, for lack of a better word, mid. And his tantrums are really cringe.
Wish I could say I'm surprised he came back to SC, but I'm not. And he's gonna make a whole thing about quitting again, in a couple of months.
There was a time where he had some good takes and critiques of the devs and some of their shady practices. But that long ago devolved into salty bitter rage baiting and nitpicking. Plus he can't take criticisms very well and likes to regularly strawman/misrepresent peoples arguments.
as someone who is waiting for the game to be done to enjoy it, i totally agree with all critical takes.
I still remember when I first played star citizen in 2017. I went into my mustang alpha, flew somewhere and then each time without fail fell through the ground upon exiting the ship. Clipping through a planet or other surface is a core experience for every star citizen player, new and old.
I'm glad to see the larger Community starting to understand the issue instead of demonizing the people pointing it out. o7
Mike the closest I have gotten to playing StarCitizen since last years CitCon, is youre UA-cam channel.
6:21 I think CIG has a similar strategy as Nigerian princess. They don’t filter for gullible people with obvious typos. No, they will farm the ones that have olympic levels of bug-resistance or stockholme syndrome (optimally both) to get past a free flight and decide to suffer more of that… 😂
if free flights were not absolute shit shows, they would have more packages sold, but boi would the salt levels be even higher…
Way more stable than MS Flight Sim 24... but yes, I stay on this game for the potential. When I landed on bloom, and the music played as I got out of my ship, I felt what it could be.... it was an emotional moment, as I looked around with that epic music playing, the sun rising over the mountains hitting my ship... then I fell through the planet. But for a moment, I felt the potential.
First time I jumped to pyro, it felt like a movie with the new soundtracks and ambience. I still love this game bugs and all, I can’t play any other space game just didn’t feel the same
@@richardbasmayor3811 agree 100%
The ending is the most star citizen thing that I have ever seen
It's more fun thinking about playing Star Citizen than actually playing it. So many times I'm stuck waiting for the elevators and the server is laggy and unresponsive and I just alt-F4
So true. We have more fun imagining the SC of the future than playing the actual game.
where starcitizen is concerned, we are all insane....snicker
thats so funny standing around talking about invisible asteroids. then leaves and hits 1 lol
I might be approaching spending more hours watching Mike than playing Starcitizen at this point
There is a difference between legitimate criticism grounded in facts and blatant attempts at manufacturing rage for the sake of farming hate clicks aka grifting which grumpyeye 100% does. After this many years, he still cant think of anything more constructive to do than nitpick at the projects shortcomings and complain like CIG pushed him to the floor in the hallway and took all his lunch money. His channel has devolved into blatant rage baiting and hyperbole, only ever highlighting the negatives under the guise of "oh I just have different opinions that you don't like and every single person who disagrees with me are just salty white knights and shills." It's the same rhetoric every year and anyone who's been a part of this community for any significant amount of time has heard it a dozen times from him before.
Oh no grumpy eye quit star citizen again. Oh no grumpy is back complaining about star citizen again. Here's grumpy back at it again with the AI thumbnails and big bold texts baiting hate clicks. Oh no grumpy quit star citizen yet again! Now he's showing all the haters by uploading a compilation of bugs. Now he's using some free fly pleb as a mouth piece for his disingenuous narrative. Oh hey who is that in the fkn front row at Citcon? Is that grumpy!?!?!? Yeah he makes salty Mike look like a shill by comparison and it's sad because he obviously plays the game and makes content around it but constantly bites the hand that feeds him by consistently throwing shade on the project. And now he's built such a longstanding following of people who are convinced the game is a scam that he can never go back to uploading any other kind of star citizen content.
He built a channel on negativity and is doomed to stay negative cause that's the one card he knows how to play. Being "grumpy." I'm glad his views have fallen off and I'd be hard pressed to believe he ever breaks 10k subs.
I laughed so hard at this post. Thank you for that! 😂
@@GrumpyEyeGaming I bet you did which is why you deleted it when I posted it to your video. That made me laugh pretty hard too. It is pretty funny that you can talk a big game criticizing star citizen and its supporters calling them pricks but can't take criticisms yourself when people refute your baseless takes with facts and logic. I guess the comments hurt those lil feelings a bit too much lmao your echo chamber of a comments section misses you bro. Keep deleting comments and banning people because you're too sensitive to deal with people having opinions that don't perfectly mirror your own🤣 That's why after this many years you still can't break 10k subs 😜
@@GrumpyEyeGaming Lmaoooo deleted the comment on your own channel but can't do so here 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Your content is garbage haha
If I had a dollar for every time ‘Eve’ pops outta Salty’s mouth in a Star Citizen video I’d had enough to pledge for a fleet of Javelins!
Ya that ending was hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
That was such an amazing video. It sums up star citizen in a nut shell
YEA, Grumpy's BACK! ;-D
Markus is the guy comparing it to crack.
We're masochists.
We love pain
We love suffering
We have severe PTSD and stockholm syndrome.
6 min in, i think the main "problem " that keeps us in or atleast keeps us coming back time after time is the fact on the rare occasion it works its so fucking good!!! anyone saying otherwise is just not being honest with them selves. i actually get emosional thinking about those moments where it works.
Umm.. us Carebears are quite nice.
Ok I laughed hard at him flying out of the ship. lol.
The sad piano is fucking funny man
Imagine the endurance the guy in the beginning has. The average new player doesnt try that long. He tries FreeFlight sees that an elevator is not coming. Quitting and then never will play or buy SC again.
I wish CIG would highlight the "Guide System" more. My friend and me were guides and in 4 years we had one request. Most ppl just dont know that its there, but its most likely the better tutorial
As one of the many, MANY people who put money in SC and after the 100th crash and 523rd time being killed by standing up or sitting down and decided to wait until the game is stable, YES youre all nuts for decideing you've put so much money into it, you feel obligated to endorse the thing by playing it, even as you yourselves judge it.
i think the point about the company not caring about player retention is accurate, from a corporate slave myself this makes total sense, each player would only be worth a certain amount of $ in the current pledge model, so every player that signs up and pledges is a win, that player is unlikely to spend much more than a certain amount so if that player joins SC, spends however many $, then leaves it would be seen as an overall ideal case because there is no drain on server resources for someone who is no longer a paying customer. A good example of this was Tarkov when the PVE mode was first released, Nikita who ran the studio described their top pledgers as 'freeloaders' because they wanted all future updates for free without paying
This game is a prime example of the term “learned helplessness“
What does that mean? Convincing yourself you are not good enough to do something for yourself?
omg! that goodbye was amazing! star citizen never fails to provide lol
Uh huh. Flies through open doors and explodes. Such a common experience it's sad.
7:06 I've experienced all of the above.
I experience more bugs playing a Bethesda game than I do playing Star Citizen
The fucking song 😂😂😂
Seriously, your videos are great man. So glad I found you, I don’t want to watch “starry eyed” content, you keep it real. Keep it up brother!
I dont think he keep it real, he's just the opposite of starry eyed, he's still only giving one side of the story
"every night now will be Stephen's last night in town"
I just watch his video for the intro
Oof 30k this hurts .... Also the sad piano music was hilarious 😂
i kinda hope CIG get live to a somewhat stable build and then slow down on the updates for live.
it’s so hard to get friends to buy a game package when there is never a decent example of the game to show them
and with server recovery I would love if they could add some sort of server restart for when the server fps goes super low
every star citizen player is basically "tyler1 im addicted" meme
new Rust wipe: LET'S GOOOOOO
new Star Citizen wipe: I hope the servers are fixed this ti-- oh nvm.. Fell through the elevator and died again.
grumpy "i will never do any more SC content ever. for real" continues to be inculcated. classic SC
Yeah I play this game maybe a couple weeks of the year when updates come out, but I check on its multiple times per week all year from the outside, just waiting.
The irony is that Grumpy logs 10x the hours in the game he hates than I do, and I fucking love SC. I'm just waiting. However long it takes.
I don‘t think he hates it ;)
And that's why you love it, you don't even play the game 🤣 Play it for a while and you'll see all the design flaws and issues, things bug fixing can't fix.
@@BoatLoadsofDope Haha I've played plenty. I'm just not willing to spend my finite rage-tolerance points on being a (paying) quality assurance tester for a for-profit company a whole lot lately. I disagree about the direction of the game. Really liking it, which is of course opinion.
Mike... Eve Frontier. That's your forever game. No joke.
🤣🤣🤣 brother
I quit watching the trailer when they promised 100,000 systems so I knew it would be fun until the procedural generation is played out, and i get bored like every single other procedural game of this kind. NMS and Elite are perfect examples. Fun for a while... not a forever game.
I got the founder email for that, is it even worth checking out? The concept just seemed kinda off as a care bear.
Have you looked at EvE Frontier? It seems like a game you might be interested it whilst we water for SC. It does look very interesting. I am curious to see how it turns out. Out tomorrow into Alpha.
Lol good ole Grumpy keep them guessing hahaha
"scarred citizen" LMAO
Hello there.
And now star citizen is a super hard-core game, so you get to buy missiles for your lost ships. Since star Citizen is so stable.
It was decided to backtrack on this until a future date. Spectrum Devs post.
that first guy needs to learn how to look up guides and be self sufficient
Yes we are sick...
I dunno man, I find that I've played this game more than any other besides maybe sea of thieves over the past 5 years. It's one of the very few games I feel like I continually want to come back to. I feel like even with the bugs it's well worth $45. Not sure why Grumpy even plays at this point if all he does is log on and get pissed about it lol
You know whats on the other side of that jump point ?
Flop Citizen.
To be frank, if my company couldn’t pull itself together to the degree CIG has foundered, I’d be fucking embarrassed to put that shit on my resume.
I find my self Alt-f4 ing alot. something goes wrong my ship explodes for no reason.. Alt-f4 i die randomly alt-f4
I can’t remember the last time I had fallen through the planet or random explosion
I think Grumpy will never play SC, he will be hunted.
omg that ending was hilarious! :D fell out of chair laughing!!!
they absolutely must stabilize this game before 1.0
and hopefully add content
@@cosm0850 The 1.0 concept has lot more of content than now. FIrst, all what's missing now as core features must be there and the 5 star systems decided must be there.
Holy volume
I mean he's half right. People do quit SC when the bugs show up , but they always come back. Soooo , some people do quit the game until they think it's in a better place. But , most come back for the new major patches. o7
I'll admit, I'm watching from the outside. The only reason I've been on this quarter was to get the free IAE Academy stuff. The Save Stanton reward wasn't even enough to make me want to endure through those stages. I'll get on 4.0 at some point to see things and start the grind again, but until then, there's no carrot for me.
That stang exploding right after takeoff though. hahahahahaha THAT is why I don't regret anything I've put into this. I've had so many good laughs at others AND my suffering.
cinema
i think you still playing it mike only because its kinda your job.. i was only a very small youtubers for years on SC, making cool Machinimas and trailers, and occasionnal making a video on news of the game but i was a very small effort to stop playing this game lol... i loaded it 1 time during the eptu, the jump point was not working.. that did not surprised me at all.. i will load it in 2-3 months to see if 4.0 is playable or not. iw ont give it many tries, if i spend 20 minutes trying to fight the game i always close it for another 2-3 months... to even fighting the game for 10 minute is way too much at this point and CIg does not deserve my time.
when youre playing this game you gotta keep your thoughts to whats available, and not much more; you cant look to what the game should be or youre gonna just frustrate yourself. finding fun in star citizen might currently feel like looking for bigfoot, but unlike cryptids you really can find it if you persevere through the bugs and broaden where and how you search. if it wasnt for the flight model taking a tailspin with master modes, i would never have tried any of the industry game loops, and they are now the only reason i want to go outside of arena commander anymore. its undeniable the sorry state the game still finds itself in, but there is still cool stuff to do and make fun with regardless; even if it lacks the total depth it should within the bigger picture of star citizen.
"for a new player"
No.
As a veteran getting to the ship is STILL a struggle...
Main reasons why I don't org are described here. total care bears, forcing 3rd party app use, and likely be productive to the One.
What has changed ? ? Server Meshing was suppose to solve all the lag issues. LOL
Grumpy is gold.
Up until about 2022 I understand the hype. But at this point it's cope, sunk cost fallacy, psychosis. You name it. Sorry.
I've written so many comedy pieces about SC, but felt bad about making fun of them.
Ive never been in an org that hasnt had problem children and drama besides orgs made up entirely of people i know IRL. Its bound to happen.
I’d love to invite my friends to do just that, would even be willing to buy them a package.
I dont hate them though so thats unlikely for years
Im not as think as you drunk I am.
Hey! I liked the Care Bears when I was a kid. I'm proud to be a Care Bear.
But the point of a pre-alpha test IS to gather fail state data? am I wrong?
You are not wrong and people forget this because CIG have been acting like its a full release recently
You can just hide behind pre-alpha though for ever!! its been what now! 13 or 14 years! and what is really frustrating is the promises of features and release dates and innuendos of a better playable releases.. this is what is really pissing people off and creating such disappointment in the community.
@@veger2001 1.0 is their aim for stability. They have taken forever but they are also building a very ambitious game that the next competitor (starfield) has no where near as many features
@@TribalMentalityStarfield is by no means a competitor to SC. But I agree with you, or I would even say they are building TWO ambitious games.
Haven't played for a while and then logged in for a save stanton. It was horrible experience. For first phase- constant rubberbanding of enemy ships, couple of missions didn't even count and i had to do them again, for second phase - targets not spawning, but there was spawning of large enemy groups literally on the top of my ship. 3-rd phase was most boring, just shoot idris with infinite hp, and ofcourse the mission was bugged and didn't count killed ships. Then 4th phase, where there were not any regen for the supplies we needed to buy and deliver. And ofcourse there was barely working elevators, 30ks(didn't they made some server recovery and we were supposed to not get 30k ever again?). It was downright shitty experience, especially on the contrast with the god of war ragnarok pc port i've been playing at this time, which ran perfectly at 100-150 fps on maximum settings with no bugs or other issues. Honestly i don't want to play sc anymore. This game is just doesn't work and, i suppose, never will
@SaltEMike everything you've said at approx 10min is me... It's simply me... As many of us, and that's it...
New ish player here, can relate to the intro. I have completed 2 box missions, rewards were shit, no confidence in being able to do PvP solo. I have a pistol but never used it in game.
Thanks!
I remember when they were working on converting the cryengine from 32 to 64 bit precision. Some old game dev was on a campaign telling everyone that 64 bit precision was impossible. Then the physics grids were impossible, and so on. I dunno, it's a beautiful tech demo right now. The stability doesn't match the polish of the graphics. Which eats at peoples brains.
It is still very much an enthusiast / fan game right now. The average person looking for a fun game to play with friends needs to have quite a tolerance for the 47 flavors of jank that come with the game. And have no thirst for a 'feeling of progression' cause you won't get that.
You're referring to DS who has always been know to be a joke, some of CR's old collaborators thought some of the stuff he wanted wasn't feasible, in hindsight they were wrong, but at the time they probably assumed the game was supposed to come out much sooner and that the company wouldn't have survived for 10+ years without shipping a finished product. What CR did was a gamble, which would't be a bad thing hadn't he bet with other people's money.
I mean it's always been an enthusiasts game.
CIG needs to just take a step back and do a complete stability patch for one phase. the instability is just insufferable for both new and old players alike. we want to like the game. we want to play. but we can't.
The issue is, one patch the game runs fine, then the next they introduce something that breaks it. Stability and optimization should always be an ongoing focus. But while there is still a lot of major changes planned to the games core systems, it is largely pointless to completely stop development when the next thing you might put out is just going to undo all the stability work you did anyways.
@@ODSTGeneralYT Elevators, doors, trains... are among other old system that shouldn't have huge changes after these are refactored for server meshing. It's something they must optimize because is the cause of major problems for many years.
@@Haegemon That assumes nothing else changing down the road will affect those systems. And again bug fixing and optimization should be ongoing. But it shouldn't be the sole focus for an in development title.
Grumpy's videos are always good and better from the next to the other, even if he's not making much anymore, I just never miss one.
Is this a SC anonymous meeting?
If 3.23.3 had of been stable it would have made sense
but it isn't, and all the focus is now on 4.0,
How can a new player have any faith in the game.
(10 year backer)
Grumpy's video ..10/10
Marcus Wynn is a decent fella, He's a good man to know.
He does unreleased ship analysis that I enjoy, chill content and doesn’t get lost in the details when everything is subject to change
This guy is back again lol. Everyone makes mistakes.
GrumpyEyeQuitAgain
The Squadron vordy-do demo? Lol didn't know you could pull off an Indian accent. 😂😂
So Grumpy gets back into SC, makes this video telling us he's going to wait until the wipe then bitches about what's going on. I applaud the time he's put into the production, but stick to a choice (leave or stay) and stop jumping back in and out only to complain about your indecisiveness.
Aren’t a lot of the issues due to all mechanics requiring a call to the servers and nothing is client side
One of my bigest disapointments was when hangars were finaly launched and i realised i cant spawn on them even if my medic ship is left in it just for that purpose. Transit system is a mess, and problably killed me more than players did.
Thats why every freaking patch the first thing everyone do is pick a station as a respawn point.
Who wants to waste 10 minutes to get to your ship every freaking time you die? ( 6min transit + 2 to get gear and 2 to get your ship.)
Reclaimer owners. If they made a functional docking collar or XL hangar I could finally be free of living/respawning at new bab.
Like getting killed by the elevator on the first sesion and as a result the tutorial gets bugged and the elevators too, so you can't call the elevator and you get locked in the habs until a new patch is released that crashes the game on the loading screen? Yeah....the New Player Eperience.
That was a great video and oh boy that finale! You can't make that up 😂 I unsubbed from Grumpy because of all the: "I'm going to quit star citizen", nonsense. If you want to stop playing, just go. Don't keep telling me about it over and over
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From diferent sites we get a total of around 20 million players total, but only 100-200K daily.
Wich is much lower than the start of the year in 2024, wich had an average of around 600k players daily.
So its fair to say rougly 0.5 to 1% of backers play the game. Wich blows my mind...
Yeah just imagine when 1.0 goes live, player count goes up by 50-100x over now when it runs like ass on a good day. 1.0 will be DOA for that alone.
there is not 20 million players... They literally update daily their user account numbers, and that's including non paying accounts, It's at 5 mil something, including the free guys. 20 million is a pipe dream lol
we are def sick in the head
I logged in maybe 3 or 4 times during IAE. Played for about 30-60 mins that's it. Generally wait for next patch and try out some new features and that's it. A lot of the time even logging in to just mess about with bunker missions and what not doesn't work well due to bugs so just log off and wait till next patch again.
Some advice, don't play during IAE and right after a bit patch drop. The game always gets swamped with players and the servers run like garbage. If you play in between you can still get into full servers, but have a generally smooth bug free experience.
I wish these people would just go play Elite or something until 1.0 comes out.
If your perspective is "This is a buggy game" you do NOT belong here.
Thank you for backing the game, come back when 1.0 is released.
cargo elevator on mining facility dont work.
This one's bouta be a good one
Crack? That's an analogy? I like to think it's like golf. Most of the time when you do it, it's disappointing but now and then you have a good round and a few good shots.