Testing new 24L Pump Foil Board | Comparing ALL AXIS WINGS | 🏄 MY favorite foiling gear
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Testing new 24L Pump Foil Board | Comparing ALL AXIS WINGS | 🏄 MY favorite foiling gear
@axisfoils3588 @foildrive
1310 and 1300 - for whom: these two very big wings are best for very heavy riders using them on the flat water or during downwinging.
Pros: very easy to lift up even on a small board and flat water.
Cons: Too much lift for me, too slow, impossible to turn. Unusable in the descent waves because they provide too much lift and cant keep up with the speed of the wave.
Verdict: I hate it. Unusable for me in the waves where I live. Probably ok if the waves are under 1foot but not for me.
PNG 1010 - for whom: for pumping addicts, great for both flat water and small waves
Pros: small enough to have fun but big enough to be able to lift up even on the flat water. Ideal for pumping exercise
Cons: Very slow, can't keep up with the wave, too much lift on the wave and hard to turn.
Lift up technique: wave assist or flat water start possible
Verdict: I love it. Great all around wing for small slow waves. One of the best all around wings.
HPS 1050 - for whom: a twin brother of PNG1010 made for people who prefer speed over pumping
Pros: what you gain in speed compared to 1010 you lose in pumping ability.
Cons: harder to pump, poor turning ability
Lift up technique: wave assist or flat water
Verdict: I like it. Great all around wing for small/medium waves. Little bit faster than PNG1010 but still gliding well enough.
55 L board wings
The following wings are smaller and require bigger boards to get going.
ART1099 - this ultra efficient ultra high aspect ratio wing is best for people who love long gliding in a straight line
Pros: ultra efficient gliding, easy to pump. Improved riding time.
Cons: very stiff and hard to turn, hard to lift up as it requires a lot of speed to get going. Does not work at slow speeds as it needs decent speed to provide lift.
Lift up technique: wave assist only, very hard long distance start with decent wave push required to gain enough speed for lift.
Verdict: I did not like it. I find it very stiff and unresponsive. Too hard to launch, I prefer playful carvy wings, this one just goes straight.
BSC970 - this carvey low aspect ratio wing feels like an efoil wing, very inefficient but easy to turn and carve
Pros: very playful wing, easy to turn and play around, a lot of lift makes it easy to launch.
Cons: very inefficient, a lot of drag, poor battery life, does not pump at all, poor gliding, requires powerful waves to keep going.
Lift up technique: wave assist only, very easy to lift up
Verdict: I love it. Great all around wing for medium waves. Feels like riding an efoil wing like Lift170 Surf..
BSC 890 - younger brother of BSC970, this is probably the smallest wing that makes sense for heavy riders with Foildrive
Pros: small enough to be playful but still big enough for easy launch, great in turns
Cons: low battery life, bare minimum of pumping and gliding ability
Lift up technique: wave assist only, easy enough but needs a power from the wave to push you up
Verdict: I like it. Probably a great smallest wing for foildrive use
AXIS SP 760 - ultra small wing for lightweight riders in powerful waves
Pros: I was surprised that I was still able to lift up and even efoil around but it's no fun at all. The wing is just too loose and does not provide any glide or pumping for me.
Cons: zero pumping and gliding, it sinks if you don't push the full power, poor battery life
Lift up technique: powerful wave assist, maxim speed needed to lift, difficult to launch.
Verdict: I hate it. It does not make any sense for foildrive use at all. Not fun at all, burns through the battery and does not provide any fun in gliding or pumping.
Lift 200SurfV2 - *requires Lift Cedrus adapter
Pros: Very carvy wing similar to BSC890 with a lot of lift, playful and fun, easy to turn
Cons: poor glide and poor pumping, requires decent speeds to keep going, a lot of drag and poor battery life. I need a big wave to keep going when depowered.
Lift up technique: easy lift at speeds, push from the wave is needed
Verdict: It did not work well for me with Foildrive. Obviously this wing was optimized to work well with a very powerful heavy efoil. When combined with a weak motor of Foildrive it did not feel right at all and required too much back leg pressure to keep it going. My back leg was tired after 10 minutes and I concluded it's not for me.
Thanks Mike! From the video it looked like you used a motor position on the mast that was pretty low for an assist position, and it seemed like the motor was constantly popping in and out of the water during your wave riding and pumping. I would think you’d want the motor a little closer to the board so that you’d get a cleaner less draggy ride, even if it meant having to power around with the board closer to the water. Which motor position option the the Cedrus mast did you choose? I don’t think you mentioned that in the video
I am using the usual 35cm position of the motor on the 80 cm Cedrus mast. As you can see I constantly efoiling on this tiny 24L board and the position closer to the board will not work for me, I would be touching water too often and losing speed. As for drag, it does not create any drag in my opinion, the motor barely touches the water when I am on the wave.
Another great video Mike, very informative. I love your gear!
Testing new 24L Pump Foil Board | Comparing ALL AXIS WINGS | 🏄 MY favorite foiling gear
This is such a helpful video. Thanks even if i dont use Axis
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the video!
Two questions for you.
1. If you are Efoiling on a calm lake do you think that you would still use a leash?
2. Why is the motor mounted so high on the mast.
Thanks!
1. No need leash. It’s just for waves
2. Why High? It’s 35 cm below the board on 80 cm mast. Not hight at all. Some people put 15-25cm
It depends... A leash on a lake could save your life. Depends on your lake, how big it is... so good judgement is required. Keep in mind wind can put your board out of reach and keep it there.
Not tried the foiling yet, still on petrol and boost power. I would worry getting the right setup is costly without hiring the foils first to find the sweet spot. And then sea conditions would have a factor as well. I would like to know mike if the waves are large and you bail, and not much time to recover how the foils loose in a wave is dangerous. Been hit by those sharp edges and mast looks quite scary. Thanks for all the info and the game looks like slot of fun
I try to never get into crashing waves, i stay away from it
Thanks for the video Mike. Just a question about the cedrus mast 80 you are using which is the motor position? It seems in the middle of the mast
35 cm under board
@@JetSurfingNation It seems the best solution for pumping and the use the motor propulsion as well like a efoil
Nice video Mike! May I ask an unrelated question? I’m about to get a jetsurf race board, I would like to know how has your race board been working? Is it reliable?
Yes very reliable
Which insert are you using for the baseplate? Centerline or one of the V ones?
Get a KT Dragonfly downwinder board 🤙
I think a smaller wing will get you plenty more 0n-wave time. but yeah at the expense of battery getting onto foil. But you are dropping out of the wave energy in this video.
Cheers bro.
This testing makes no sense at all. The wave constantly overtakes you, because the motor is in the water and creates a lot of resistance. And you don’t know how to pump at all. The table is also complete nonsense. Is ART 899 slower than HPS 1050? What?
This is not a rocket science just a personal opinion for foildrive use. I can pump 30 seconds. The Motor doesn’t create any resistance at all, it’s very hydrodynamic. Mistakes in chart, thank you for correction! If I make a mistake it doesn’t mean everything is nonsense.. Cheers