Hydrofoil Buyers Guide
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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1 | Wake Thief Edition ($2,200)
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2 | Slingshot Budget ($1,000)
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3 | Waydoo Budget Electric ($5,400)
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4 | Flite Performance Electric ($13,700)
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5 | Foil Drive Gen 2 ($8,400)
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6 | Beta Freefoil ($6,500)
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This is the most analytical video covering foiling I have ever seen. Fantastic.
Thank you! If I can ever help, please don't hesitate to reach out ... wakethief@icloud.com
I have my pilots license and a lot of the jargon like angle of attack, fuselage wing. It’s literally an airfoil remember air is a fluid.
that's correct, budy
Awesome video!! This was super interesting and educational 👌 I can’t wait for the lakes to warm up here in Canada ( they are all frozen ) to try my own 3D printed hydrofoil 👍
3D printed foil! I’d love to see pics when you make it.
@@WakeThief I’ll definitely post pictures of it on my instagram account: felix.leveille.5055 ( the profile picture is me windsurfing) I usually put pictures of all my finished projects on there..... I’ll also put pictures on the Facebook group : board & hydrofoil building ( my name is Félix Léveillé) there are already a couple of pictures of my progress on there ! 👍
Incredible videos. I've watched just about all of them. Thank you!
Thank you, Mike! This comment made my day! If I can help you in any way, please don't hesitate to reach out. wakethief@icloud.com.
First the logo and now the channel name change! Get merchandise out now for sure. I recommended 'FoilingNY' in a comment on another channel so I hope people can still find you.
Ha! I hope so too. I have put foiling ny in the video descriptions so search should still work.
Very nice summary. I’m gonna link people to this when they’re asking for setups. After they have this knowledge we can help guide them to what they want to do.
That a huge compliment coming from you! Thank you.
Because of you, yes you Mr Wake Thief, I will be trying my first foiling experience next week.😆 I will then look into which manual foil is best for me and my environments (Primarily River, secondly Sea). The big BUT is i want my manual foil to be compatible with the Lift efoil. I am hoping to get the efoil next year. I am not sure how much that limits my choices. I am typically 85kg.
Hi Anthony! That's great. This comment made my day. When you get to selecting a lift foil, please reach out and I can help you figure it out as I've tried both the 200HA (you can see the review on our UA-cam channel) and the 250HA. Good luck! wakethief@icloud.com.
Thank you very much, I’ve browsed many many websites without understanding anything. This is really helpful 👍🏼.
You’re welcome, Diego. If I can help you spec a foil, I’d be happy to. Wakethief@icloud.com
this is gold. gives me everything I need to know clearly and easily
I'm so glad to hear that. We make videos like this to help people get into our sport as easily as possible and it means a lot to get this feedback. Thank you, Michael!
This is definitely worth sharing since it would be really easy to buy the wrong thing if you’re not sure what you’re looking for. For instance, to a layman, your pump foil and my kite race foil look kinda the same, but my 525sq cm wing and 104cm mast would be absolutely useless for what you want to do with it and vice versa.
Totally correct! I made that mistake. My first front wing was 700sqcm. Needless to say, it didn’t work as I wanted.
Lakeside cottage and dock sold separately. I really have to try this.
these things need to come way down in price, wow.
i couldn't believe it when I was looking at the electric ones. they cost MORE THAN A CAR!
Solid work! I'm fixing to sell my Liquid Force foil to fund a Freedom Foil Board & Axis Foil. I'm 125lbs, so I'm looking at the Axis 910 or 1010.
Thanks. 910 should be epic for you at your weight!
I just got the ak durable supplies trek foil 😁 2000cm with a moustache (340 i think) and a 71 fucelodge. Was a great ebay deal 😉 $350 came with a 80 cr mast which is a HUGE upgrade in my eyes 😁 looks brand new with a few scratches that i sanded off. Was still matte finish that i sanded off. He said it was a showroom model so didn't have labeling. Just a serial # on mast. Super happy with that purchase 😁 i also got a beautiful homemade board. Facebook marketplace (local) he said homemade but sure looks like production quality to me 🤯 4'10" and about 75l. Blue planet strong box. It's a big board but i plan on electrifying it. I am light, 150lb but plus a 20lb batt and 10lb worth of motor and electronics. 180, 190. Should work out i believe 😁 keep the great videos coming. Any suggestions for prop and motor? I am thinking flipsky water sports bundle. 65161 and 75/200 water cooled vesc. ($500)
SUCH A GREAT VIDEO! They all are, but the production value and education just goes up 10x w/each one of these. Thank you SO much for making so overt the import of a rider’s weight - wish I had figured that out earlier when I started. I’m 200lbs and though very athletic, when I started I could not figure out why all the guys I saw in videos were flying around with ease while I was fighting in vein. Turns out, a lot of them are 160 lbs - a night and day difference relative to the size foil I needed (particularly as a beginner). Thanks again, brilliant videos.
Thanks so much, Justin. It took many many missteps to realize the same. Everyone said go smaller, go smaller but my weight and use case needed bigger. Appreciate yourself comment. Thanks again.
@@WakeThief I'm 240# so I've had similar problems choosing the right wakesurf board. I've learned that longer wider boards don't necessarily translate to a easer riding. I can't afford to go through 4 or 5 foils or waste summers (I'm in my mid 50s) looking for the one that will work for me. Thanks for your research I'll consume it and anyone else's to find the right wing for my weight, physical limitations (age) and desire to hijack the wake of a local excursion boat.
@@jaydee1020 please email me at wakethief@icloud.com. I have a few ideas to help.
Great video. Super helpful. Where was this video shot? So pretty!
Cheers mate great information thank you 😁👍
Is hydrofoiling or wakeboarding more fun being towed behind a jetski?
I’m biased … hydrofoil for sure.
@@WakeThief cool- what makes you say that? And is it easier than wake boarding or water skiing if towed behind a jet ski, or are they all about the same in difficulty?
@brockb4452 foiling is more difficult but more rewarding as you don’t feel the surface of the water and you can surf a jet ski wake without a rope.
@@WakeThief thanks! I just bought a jet ski so i'm choosing between which of the two to invest in. your video and further research confirmed foiling, so thanks! now I'm watching your vid to decide what to get - the problem is my wife and I will be sharing it at first. I am 185, she is 120 so i'm looking for a good compromise. both of us will be beginners of course, and main use of it will be tow behind a jet ski and maybe in future when we get good enough to natural surf on beach waves nearby. Your video is helping narrow my options- any further recommendations appreciated- thanks!
@brockb4452 I’d still recommend starting with this (infinity 84). You both can ride it. Great beginner setup and well priced. mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=5
interesting video! Greetings from Italy
Hi, I'm having trouble deciding on what to buy; do you think you could recommend a build to me? I'll would be using it to pump and wake thief, and would be dock starting.
How much do you weigh? Do you have boardsports experience?
@@WakeThief I weigh 170 and have a fair amount of boardsport experience
Hi, do I really need small waves to surf on? I have a lake close to my place, and I just would like to cruise it by myself
No waves for this one. Flat water makes pumping easier. The flatter the better
Another great video:
2 questions:
Weight measurement should include total weight, ie board and foil as well, not just bw? A big board could add alot of % on total weight.
Is there a high correlation between high lift = high acceleration? (Tough question, Probably)
Acceleration has mostly been a function of rear wing size. Include board weight. I don’t usually include foil weight because most are neutrally buoyant.
So just bought my first foil and have been riding it for a week now and am not able to pump on it, i can ride the second wave and surf wave and carve. The board that the pro recommended me at the boat shop was Liquid Force Nebula. Front wing ( 1200cm, with a 65mm wing span) I know you really like these axis foil boards but before i buy another do you have any recommendations for me to buy the correct wings to try and help me be able to pump easier? thank you
The front wing is just too small. If you upgrade to the horizon 150 or 160 pumping will become easier.
I am interested in DYI efoil, any one heared or have info about Foil-lab company from singapore? They sell DYI kits, but cant find reviews?
I've rewatched this video at least 10 times.... trying to learn as much as I can before I pull the trigger on my first foil! I do have a quick question: Do you think your dwarfcraft and 1150 wing is too aggressive for someone who has never foiled before? I'm more so wondering for friends who visit only for a weekend... do you think they will be able to get up after a day or two?
Hey Sean. Pls email me at wakethief@icloud.com. Longer conversation needed! It really depends on how much you want to do it, and if you have prior experience on a board … skateboarding, surfing, … I was a figure skater and the balance helped me. Happy to help.
Nicely done!
Thank you!
I don't know what foil I should get I roughly want to do the same things that you do. But I weigh 130 lb do you have any tips
Hey Carson. Please email me with your boardsports skill level and how you wanna use it (behind boat/ski, dock start, etc)? Happy to help. Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
Have you ever played around with coatings for the foils?
Eg. Wax, hydrophobic (like never wet)?
Or differential coatings? Like coating everything except the bottom surface to increase lift?
I'm no expert, just a ChemE student who's curious.
Cool vids btw! I'd love to get a foil once I graduate and have some cash lol
I have not, but it's on my to do list!
@@WakeThief right on! Interesting stuff, and thanks for the reply!
Where is the Google Doc?
Sorry about that ... tinyurl.com/yc76m7z8
@@WakeThief thanks so much for the great video!
Great vid thanks
If I bought the e foil board and the non e foil fins could get the electric add on???
I'm sorry ... I misunderstood ... if you already have a foil, here's a
I am 75-78kg and looking for a flat water foil. Would like to wingfoil maybe or windsurf.
I am not looking to buy foils but want to build one for me and my kids...can't really afford foils for 4 kids so do you know some resources where I can find 3D data, profiles or shapes of foils? I do have a CNC router and can vacuum bag wings.
Maybe someone knows a forum for diy foils and foil building?
Hey Marcus. I understand. Check out Foil.zone. They're doing some amazing DIY stuff.
Great, less questions left before ordering!! :👍 For jumping off a dock and pumping like you do, would you consider a board even shorter than your 3'6" beneficial? Axis sells something similar to your board named "Tray Carbon Foilboard 95cm" and "Tray Carbon Foilboard 110cm" ... and second question: did you try a shorter mast than your 75? Or would a shorter mast not allow that efficient-looking motion of pumping demonstrated in your videos? 🙋♂️
Two excellent questions, Michael. I believe the tray from AXIS would be great. I'd go shorter than 3'6". But probably not much less than 3ft. I have tried 60cm. AXIS 75cm is very stiff, even for large span 1150, so I don't think shorter is needed unless I go bigger in span ... I can only hope :) If you can pump a 60, go 60! I'm so used to 75 now, that I won't go shorter until I have to
@@WakeThief So the "Tray Carbon Foilboard 95cm" with a little over 3ft length it'll be 😊 And regarding the length of the mast, is there anything else to consider beside its stiffness (and weight)? No disadvantage whatsoever in terms of pumping efficiency to be expected when going a little shorter (like to the 60cm or 68cm)?
@@WakeThief does the size of the rear wing (Axis S-Series) have any impact on the glide distance/speed? In terms of agility I assume that the bigger the rear wing, the less agile whilst more stable? 🙋♂️
Going shorter should help pumping efficiency, due to greater rigidity. If the mast is rigid enough, length is about preference.
Yes, rear wing doesn't change glide distance or pump speed too much, as the drag it creates is dwarfed by the front wing, but I do find a bigger rear wing makes it easier to pump, and I've shown that here: ua-cam.com/video/ObG9q1SfIuw/v-deo.html. The rear wing selection is really about preference. A foil carves quite differently from rear to rear wing, but I believe you can get used to a variety of rear wing choices.
Hi I'm 5'10" 175 lbs is a 1277 cm foil big enough to dock start?
It’s possible, but will be so much easier with a larger foil. >1800
Awesome Video!
I also want to get into Dock Start foiling as the closest lake "it is a nice lake too" is only a few minutes from my home and has tall trees around it so I ussaly drive further to go to a different lake with a longer fetch for wind watersports.
The 1300 vs 1150 video was so good I was like 1150 for me all the way "also thinking of the Moses W1100". I am 6 feet tall and 77kg / 170 lbs so I would need a smaller foil to get the same performace as you. But the 1150 just seems like the way to go.
Maybe a better question is if you could have an exact % bigger or smaller sized 1150 with the same matched ratio increase / decrease in length, width, height and foil profile. Do you have a guess on if your dream foil would be larger or smaller in %? Specific question but this may help me to determine if the 1150 is too big or perfict for me to foot pump foil.
Thanks for your great vids!
Moses W1100 is on my list of foils to try to. Working hard to try to get one to review. If I were you, I'd go 1150. I wish I were undersized for the 1150! I am still scratching my head as to why exactly the 1300 didn't let me pump longer, so hard for me to know exactly what a bigger foil would do for me. If the 1300 was a carbon copy of the 1150 foil section, scaled up the right way, it might be perfect for me if it were 20% more area, but that's just a guess. Good luck!
Sweet!
I would like an e foil but only have around 3000 to spend
That’s more than enough. There’s a sweet spot at about $2000-$2500 to get the best foils, in my opinion. Please reach out, if I can help you spec it. Wakethief@icloud.com
I have watched several of your UA-cam videos. I’m a big dude ( 235 lbs ), I’d like to do similar riding like you do, pump on a lake, behind a jet ski, and behind a boat. I wake surf behind a boat and would love to just do it by myself or behind a small watercraft. I’m looking at the axis foils. What set-up could I get for $2500? Size? I’m looking at your spreadsheet.
We’ve had bigger guys foiling! You’ll be fine. Please email me at wakethief@icloud.com and I’d be happy to help you figure it out. Weight just means you will need a bit more speed to take off.
@@WakeThief what a legend helping everyone with advice. I'm a even bigger than that dude 110kg and learning to Wingfoil and Windfoil (at a school). When it comes to buying equipment Axis or Armstrong is really good idea being- more second hand market and options to buy parts (at least in my area)
Thank you! For bigger riders I’m quite impressed with axis lineup setup of large area; high span wings. If I can ever be of assistance please feel free to email. Wakethief@icloud.com
Can be adjusted to a normal surfing board??
No. The bottom of the board needs a track to attach the foil to.
oh my god, you make the Excel file public ,1000 Thanks!
I just want to confirm that you're happy with this? Is this your file? It's amazing.
@@WakeThief I found that google sheet on KiteForum 1-2 years ago. I didn't start it, but I contributed to it at the time.
Can you surf waves on beaches
Yes
I'm a 170 lbs, kiteboarder. but not a foiler. I want to do exactly what you do. steal waves and eventually pumping behind a boat, dock start, etc. In Canada, its much easier to purchase the infinity 99 from slingshot. What foil do you recommend? you seem like you love the axis. and what size would you say?
Hey Roy! I'm from Saskatchewan originally! Please check out my AXIS 1150 review, where I compare it to the Slingshot 99 (ua-cam.com/video/85ENC6fOpCA/v-deo.html). It worked quite well and would be epic for you at your weight. But once you learn to pump, and can reach 30s-60s on the 99, you'll want a higher aspect ratio wing like the 1150, which I can pump for 2 minutes. At your weight, if you want to wake thief, I'd recommend the 1150. Don't go smaller, unless you want to surf larger wakes, then go to the 1010 (a wing in between the 1150 and 910). Good luck, Roy! Let me know if I can help. wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Thanks. this helps a lot. The "package" they sell at the local shop is the slingshot wakesurf v3. it has the hard top board with a infinity 76. I talked to the shop expert and he said its a good one to learn on and you can go without a rope because a boat in the 2 3, even 4th wave no problem. is that a good "starter set up?" or should i go straight to the infinity 99?
@@roycheung4963 if you haven’t learn to pump yet, it will be fun no doubt. Once you learn to pump you’ll want something bigger but it takes awhile to learn to pump.
@@WakeThief Thank you. Before I spend 2.5k on the slingshot v3, you would recommend this set up? esp the mast length and infinity 76?
I weight 155lbs and I bought Liquid force Nebula 4-2 Wakefoil W/Horizon 160 Carbon Set Package Liquid force Nebula 4-2 Wakefoil W/Horizon 160 Carbon Set Package | 2021. I tried dock starting and didn't get very far. Will I be able to dock start or, am I wasting my time?
My guess based on the wing dimensions is yes, but you will need to run at it and jump onto a moving foil with forward momentum ... thought I've never tried this wing to know for sure.
I am trying to by a Axis foil but i live in Norway and cant find any websits or stors. any sugestions?
I am trying to find the 1150
Hi Sander - I have two Norwegian friends I’d like to introduce you to! One is the AXIS distributor. Please reach out to me at wakethief@icloud.com
Good video
Would there be much of a harm if I got a big wing? I'm fairly light for my height, about 130 lbs, if I got a bigger wing would it possibly make pumping easier
I don't think so. I wish I had that decision to make and there were wings "too big" for me. It won't be good at high speeds nor surfing huge wakes, but otherwise fun as can be!
@@WakeThief thanks a ton!
Been stuck behind our Bennington pontoon 10-12mph with Slingshot 84cm foil, 24” mast. Can’t seem to let go of rope. 205lb with lifetime experience on ski and wakeboard. Frustrating.
Hey Stephen. In my experience, you will need a larger area and/or higher aspect ratio wing. I have reviewed the Slingshot infinity 99 on my channel. Please check it out if you haven't already. I recommend the 99 because it will be a lower cost test for you than starting with a new manufacturer. When I moved up from 84 to 99, it made a big difference for me. I'm 190lb. Pls let me know if I can help.
@@WakeThief I’ve had my eye on the 99. Thanks for your input. We’ve been staying behind the boat with rope the last summer season and anxious to take the next “step”. Great videos!
You're welcome. Reach out if I can ever help. foilingny@gmail.com
Im 200 and ride the 84, 99, and 64 gamma slingshot. Also riden liquid force, tacuma v100, armstrong 1250, 1550, 1850. The 84 flys forever. Its a good beginner wing. You need alot of flight time to get past beginner level. The best foilers have over 500 sessions.
AWESOME information...now I'm even more confused lol
Oh no! lol. I missed the mark. I'd be happy to answer your questions. Please reach out. wakethief@icloud.com
Hi. Question for wich front wing I sould by? I`m 110 kg, will use it for dockstart and have no expiriance :)
Cheers!
Please email me at Wakethief@icloud.com ... Do you want to use it other than for dock starting? Do you have other board sport experience (wake surfing, snowboarding, surfing, skateboarding, ...)? Thanks!
@@WakeThief Yes I have som snowboarding expiriance in the past century 😁
@@AMisimovic the axis 1150 is what he uses if that is any help
What do you think about the moses w1000 and the armstrong ha1125 for the lake?
I have never tried Moses but the 1100 is on my list so I should be reviewing it this spring. The 1000 and 1125 would be too small for me but might be ideal for someone smaller or for someone seeking to surf bigger wakes than I generally can steal.
@@WakeThief Are you sure the ha1125 would be to small? Its 41inches wide.
Hi Donny. I suspect it will be good, and I will try it at some point. I've tried other wings that are slightly bigger in area, and have even bigger wingspan, and found them a bit undersized for wake thieving the smallest of wakes, but certainly still a lot of fun! If I were lighter, it would be the right size. If you want to see what I mean, please check out my Go Foil P180 review. That wing is quite comparable (without knowing the foil sections of either wing, of course).
What is this price
$1500 for entry level. $2500 for high performance. $3500 for very high performance.
Has anyone been sliced in two by one of these hydrofoils?
Not to my knowledge, but Iv'e seen some pretty bad cuts online.
So expensive for what it is compared to a regular surfboard
E-foils attract sharks
Finally!!!
Yes. Sorry for the delay. This was a must do video for some time. Pls let me know if you have questions.
What if you fall? You have to swim back....
Yes! :(
Yeah why are these things so expensive?
Check out our slingshot review from this summer. $1000 for a great entry level foil.
ua-cam.com/video/IfZUtNBEl6w/v-deo.html
Dont sell mass priduce it yet. Navym
I'm satish from India I want hydrofoli Bord
...but how to build it? 😂
Ok, 3 minutes in and wisps of smoke are coming out my ears as my brain starts to overheat- especially when I saw the spreadsheet.
I know the feeling ... smoke came out of my ears when a new collaborator I'm working with, whom I'll introduce in my next video, shows me his calculation for a pumping foil, which is a like a bird flapping its wings!!!
@@WakeThief Oh,...this should be good! I'm heading to Key West for a month and am wanting to see if I can bring a foil to pump or to wingfoil. Now, I am checking prices of wings, boards, and foils. My head is getting overloaded with input.
Totally jealous! let me know if I can help. foilingny@gmail.com.
I need more wings!
Ha! Isn’t that the truth!
@@WakeThief I think I have the h4, sketchy off axis so scary
H4?
@@WakeThief slingshot space skate
I just looked it up. Can’t believe I didn’t know that! My first wing was the timecode 57. Then infinity 84. The infinity 99. Each time my smile grew wider. Then I discovered high aspect ratio wings like gliders. My pumping duration went from about a minute to two minutes. Was a total game changer.
Come foil Oahu. :)
Ha! You send an invite, I'm in :) Good to hear from you, John.
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Ill just go ahead and buy a motorcycle instead
Wtf are those prices
👍🍺
Hey ironPhil! Good to hear from you
“This one’s light blue and this one’s dark blue” “I think they’re the same color” 😆😆*wheeze*
Edit: also how do you get off/stop, is it possible to get off/stop without getting wet, one can you stop at a dock or only on the bank
Ha! thanks Franklin. My son will love your comment as much as I do. You can pump up to the dock and hope off. To be honest though, I've never done it in clothing (always swimwear) so while it's possible, it's not likely to be pulled off.
@@WakeThief ok thx see I’m asking because I love water I always had but me and my family have allways been landlocked to the point that there is no river or lake within a 2 hour drive kinda sucks for a water lover. Anyways there’s a lot of colleges that are really good for my master (mechanical/electrical engineering) that are also next to big rivers but there’s this one up in Boston that’s also 15 minutes from the beach so that’s nice anyway I was looking at housings across the river from the college and I thought it would be cool to have some sort of water transportation also a nice exercise and I don’t think I’m gonna buy a boat seems a bit much so I came upon your Chanel and the world of hydro foiling thought you know what maybe this is it I still think it is but I guess I’m gonna need a lot of practice to nail the dock stop.
I’m also just learning the price of these things $2,000 is a lot but it’s not $10,000(for a car) or $5,000 (for a wave runner/jet ski)
We’re working on a how to dock start video with a contraption that should help, and will be something anyone could build for
Yes. It’s a lot, no doubt.
Love you bro please gift me 1 foil board
I think it’s a little bit too expensive for him to do that.... work and save some money do some day you’ll be able to buy one with YOUR hard earned money 👍
@@felixleveille8441 How much will these cost?
@@banglarhacker8401 just the hydrofoil alone costs around 800$CAD or 600$ USD... but with a board and everything else you are looking at around 2000$ to 3000$
@@felixleveille8441 2000 $ I need 2 years income I can not buy in life
Why don’t you just get an e-foil? 😂
It's a good question. Biggest reason is cost. Second biggest reason is that I want to try one first before I buy. I worry that I won't like is as much because of its weight. I suspect it will have comparably less fluidity in the water (quick turns, cutting, etc), but I do look forward to trying.
@@WakeThief Yeah that’s true they are spendy, but you can turn off the battery and use it like a normal foil for pumping on your own. If your in the ocean you can just use the waves, and when they go bad, you just turn it on and foil for days, and same with the lake
Very cool. I'm thinking about designing, 3d printing, and glassing a wing to use on our nearby lake. Large aspect ratio / glider wing looks really cool!
Awesome! If I can be of help, and try a wing for you, please don’t hesitate to reach out. I also be happy to provide feedback on any designs you’re considering. Thank you for the comment.
Wakethief@icloud.com
how expensive was the setup your using
Cost him everything
Hello
@@blu2697hello
I'm sorry, but pumping a foil looks like a dog sx. Use a wing, a sail, a kite, a motor or a leash. Be like a human =) Cheers
Where can you buy one used there is not many on eBay
You can find some here: facebook.com/groups/wingsurfforsale/?ref=share. I also found some on green hat kiteboarding.
@@WakeThief thanks
Your video is probably one of the best and most informative I’ve ever seen. This looks awesome,but I’m 250lbs, and not sure that this is something that I could do. I’d have some interest in efoiling but The price of entry is just too much
Yes you can! I know a 280lb guy that foils. We just need to be sure you get on a stiff setup with solid connections. Happy to help. Please email me. Devon (wakethief@icloud.com)
I never comment on videos but this was so well done and helpful I had to tell you. Great work. I'm going to email you as another viewer had a similar question. I hope you can forward the response and don't have to retype everything. :) Thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to share that with us, Chris! It makes my day. Happy to help however I can.
Nice vid, super informative. Do people ever downwind point to point foil on lakes? The lake we live on has multiple access points, and get 2-3 ft waves with good distance between them. I windsurf and take our little Hobie Bravo out in the big waves for fun, but the foil looks so smooth and fluid. I guess restarting with no motor assist could be an issue unless you're in shallows right. Keep up the fun adventures and sweet vids.
Thanks Aaron. That’s exactly what we’re trying to do but the wind doesn’t get up enough to give us that opportunity so we have to connect wakes off passing boats. I wish it did!
I love all of your videos. I wing an sup foil but still find all of these really helpful. thanks for doing these videos.
Thank you! I appreciate the comment. I'm loving the learning and sharing as much as the foiling. Thanks for taking the time to write that!
Very helpful. Thank you!!
I’m 12 years old and looking to get into foil boarding what is the cheapest option for me I have the same hopes that you do and i weigh about 80 pounds
Check out our budget slingshot video. Options for a complete foil for $1000.
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Just had my first foil rides a couple of days ago, I’m so stoked! Your videos helped so much with choosing what to buy. It’s crazy how different the types of wings felt. Another good video, looking forward to more
Thanks, Whittaker. I so appreciate you taking the time to comment. Different wings really do change the feel. Glad you enjoyed it
So what did you buy?
@@brockb4452 I ended up with both a Slingshot Infinity 63 and Axis 1050. I started with the infinity then found a great used deal on the Axis soon after. The smaller wing of the infinity was easier to learn on, less lift and less "slippery", but the Axis is way more fun when you figure it out.
Great video, thanks! So if I understand you right, the lower the aspect ratio the bigger the surface has to be? My foil has a surface area: 1250 cm2, weight : 790 g, size: 635×250 mm. So the aspect ratio is 2,5! My weight is 63 kg. So I need a bigger foil, right? Is there any formula for that?
I’d recommend area over 1500sqcm and then the higher the aspect ratio the less drag (more glide, easier pumping). Anything over 6 aspect ratio is good enough.
Great video... but you totally killed my jones for a foil. :) You lost me at 30,000+ different combination options. Fvck. Just seems way more complicated than I was thinking / hoping it would be.
I have links in the video to the ones I recommend. You can’t go wrong with these. You can go wrong pretty easily. I’m here if you want help.
Try real foiling with a kite on Seneca!
Yes, I need to get better at winging and kiting!
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4:20 (!): You mention your weight, Aspect Ratio, and area, but you never mention Wing Loading, which is easily calculated by dividing the weight of the load by the area of the wing:
86,000g/1700cm2 - 100,000g/2000cm2 = 50g/cm2 = 50,000g/m2 = 500kg/m2
Many thanks for your videos! Amazing!
What would you recommend?
- Weight: 160 pounds (73kilos)
- Interest: Wake thief
- I can foil the first and second wake of a ski boat. I’m also a competitive water skier
Thanks!!
Happy to help. Can you let go of the rope and surf without the rope? Can you pump?
@@WakeThief Yes. but no without a wake.
The axis 910 would be great for you.
I weigh about the same as you (~72 kg) and am mainly interested in dock starting and pumping, would you think it would be wise to go with the 1010 or even 1150?
Go 1150 :) I wish I was 72kg. Would let me pump 1150 even slower (and farther)
How about and ideal board for the surf. I live near the coast and I don’t want to surf flat conditions
30+L critical, though this isn’t my advice. It’s the advice of real ocean foil surfers. Go bigger if you want to play it safe.
can you make an updated video please. i think in the last 2 years you gained a lot more experience
Yes. Working on it!
I only weigh 120 lbs but can I us a long fuselage and will it be easier?
Yes, it will have more pitch control. If you'd like to spec a foil for yourself, I'm happy to help. wakethief@icloud.com. Please let me know your height, weight, how you want to use it and your boardsports skill level.
I want to wing foil, but I'm 2m tall and 125kg, it's hard to get info out there. That's 275lbs
I'll be starting out on the ocean, it's flat but behind a boat being towed to start with.
Can you recommend a wing.
I’d recommend this. I can’t think of anything stronger. Pls select hope craft. Very strong board. mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=3
This will be for behind the boat. For winging you will need a larger board
So it sounds like you need a different set up for winging vs. surfing the boat wake, vs surfing small wakes, vs. surfing beach waves? You can't do several of those things with the same rig. Is that correct? And will high volume beginner wing boards be only suitable for just that one use? Or do you just need one board but several foils?
Compromises can be made, but in my experience 2, maybe 3, front wings can get every job done nearly perfectly. Best to just get your first setup for whichever one you will do the most.
And yes. The big board will work for all but you’ll probably want two boards eventually.
I think the front wing generates all the lift, and the rear wing actually generates negative lift to stabilize you. This is how airplanes work, though I'm not 100% sure this is how the hydrofoil works but it likely is the same.
Well said. I agree with you and wish I said it that clearly!
Your dwarfcraft is not $600.
The Dwarf was $600 when I published the video. But you’re right, it’s $700 at major US retailers now.
Hi guy. Great content ! Great channel name. Ok, here’s one out of left field…I used to sailboard. Still have a few long boards and sails. Could a long board be converted to a foil sailer ? Im190 and boards are probably in the 30lb range…I love diy shit, and working with epoxy n glass. TIA.
I don’t see why not! Foils are soon going to be on PWCs! Thanks for the comment
@@WakeThief …well, actually….heh.
La meilleure vidéo explicative merci 🙏
Thank-you ! 😃
Thank you
You’re welcome!
Great info. Need some more help. We charter big boats on oceans and have a RIB to get to shore and fir some fun water sports. The RIB does not make a big wake and the ocean can have some chop. Wake foil looks like a great way to have fun.
Need the most versatile set up for beginners. We have all wakeboarded, but still novice. We surf, SUP, etc. Probably no pumping for a while, so just getting up a riding behind the RIB.
Probably the biggest issue is the size of the riders. I am tall, and weigh 280. Some of the younger kids are 150 and the wives 130.
The slingshot wave V3 looks like it could be a versatile starting board. And while riders may out grow a starting board, it will always have a place on a boat to help introduce people to the sport.
Any and all thoughts are appreciated.
I think you’re spot on. Surfing and eventually pumping is an advanced skill. I think you’d be good to get the FSurf rather than Fwake. Will be fun for you and for lighter riders. The boat will just need to go faster for bigger riders. You could also get the infinity 99 (just front wing) for yourself and put it on the Fsurf package when you want to ride. I think this is the right approach. Good call. I’ve owned the three popular slingshot wings (76, 84 and 99) and they will deliver on what you’re looking for.
Your video is very informative but the comparison between the axis 1015 and 910 wing is not quite realistic. In fact, I weigh 68 kilograms and have both high aspect wings. I spent a lot of time on this axis foil and I am able to do my dock-starts and pump as long as I am not exhausted (just for the context). In the end, I just want to say that doing a simple weight / area (cm2) ratio is not so representative.
In reality there are many more factors to take into account. The 910 wing requires much more energy to pump over time. So for people who are the same weight as me, do not expect to pump for 2min with the 910. One more thing, and I say it for everyone, the level we have is more important to take into account than the weight.
Other than that, your videos are great. Keep it up !
Thanks for the comment, Dylan! I think you're spot on regarding skill level. Combined with grit/perseverance, it's the most important. I have to disagree with you though. The 910 has the same foil section as the 1150, so you can use the lift equation to back out the equivalent weight for the 910, as I did in the video. Perhaps I didn't state it too clearly in the video. The 910 for someone at 160lb performs like an 1150 would for me. That said, I would expect that someone at 160lb to be able to pump the 1150 longer/farther than the 910, and I'd expect them to do it at a slower speed because of the larger area (and slightly lower induced drag due to its higher aspect ratio). Sorry for the confusion. The rest of the foil matters too, but not as much as the front wing in my experience. Fuse and rear wing changes the cadence of pumping and the duration/distance. I appreciate you taking the time to write. If I said anything that doesn't make sense, please reach out to me. Foilingny@gmail.com. I appreciate it!