Hey Jack, very well produced video, that also made me laugh and was informative, too. My favorite line was, “I normally apply the alcohol directly to my mouth.” 😅 By the way, how did you get yourself in the newspaper clipping? Pretty cool special effects you have going on. Cheers, Tom
Thank you Tom, means a lot to hear it from you. I used combination of drop zones and masks. All from motionvfx. Pricey but easy to use and effective. All the best!
@@mycoffeeshow111 Very cool Jack, thanks for that info. Maybe I'll have to try a blind shaker one of these days. Do they make them for 51mm or 54mm? All the best for you and your channel! Tom
I've just ground (Eureka Mignon) into a dose cup then shake into portafilter, I've tried hand wdt and ARO Orbit Spirographic Espresso Distribution Tool and can't tell much difference from just going from dose cup to porifilter, leveler, tamp to machine, where I have notice a difference is when I went to a higher temp, but to be fair I'm 70yrs + old and my taste buds art as good as they use to be, but I'm getting tired of all the gadgets, seems like every week, just my thoughts, Happy Coffee Day :)
I kinda agree with you but those things excite me and I like playing with coffee. I remember the days when we just pour hot water over pre grounded coffee and it was tasty 😁
I loved the new way of editing Jack, quite creative and a good amusing script... Besides my findings are similar to yours, with just blind shaker I realise the cup to be smoother, less of those sharp bitters and less dark chocolate notes but rather more like milk chocolate notes ... This video made me happy :D
I got one and I like the work flow much better. I used to direct dose and found I needed to do more work on WDT. Now I just do the blind shaker and WDT to flatten the bed which takes a second. Much easier than the mess and WDT (even with a funnel)
@@mycoffeeshow111 for sure. I wanted to like it, I hoped it would be faster and just as consistent. Yes some shots came out as good or even better, but some channeled, or just didn't pull well. Plus because of static it was another thing I had to brush out, which negated any streamlining of the process.
I purchased both the 3Bomber and the iKape. 3Bomber fits the 54mm much better. Even though the iKape has magnets, they never meet the basket rim. 3bomber 16$, iKape 33$. Also, the bell on the iKape has a slight gap and fine grinds fall out a bit. Interesting difference in the look of wdt vs shaker Jack! The shaker for me is less hassle. No need for doser cup.
I got it today, I personally just love the way it looks and I get a good cup regardless of using WDT, the shaker or both. Bit sad about the ring it leaves on the coffee grounds when you place it on top of the portafilter. I doesn't change the coffee by a meaningful amount in my opinion, but it's just fun to shake up the routine. Certainly not a must in any way and sure if you go into the hard scientific extraction percentages then maybe, but if you just want to make a good cup of coffee you are good with what was previously know.
The shaker homogenizes the coffee fines more into the larger grounds compared to wdt where it can settle at the base of the porta filter especially when you tap it to settle the grounds only to WDT and agitate those fines more downward. From the last shot comparison, while the tiger striping looks nicer for pictures, its clearly seperated, whereas the shaker is more homogenized as a liquid now, more blended, and it might take longer to become a single stream because the water is flowing more fully throughout the entire puck and not just the center, thus slower to centralize into a single stream. Just a guess tho.
Jack your videos are awesome! I have the same shaker and I hate using it. I get the same results, more clumps. Now I take my DF83 metal cup (filled with coffee), attach to portafilter, shake both together, wdt, done
Thx for watching. Very clever idea. I still have 54mm shaker left but since I sold my La Pavoni, I can’t play with it. Maybe I should record a video about pour over with and without shaker.
how is the retention of this compared to the rest of the blind shakers you may have? hope to see a video on the retention inside the tumblr after unloading in to PF.
Retention about the same as when grinding into the metal cup. If you remember to tap it and spend few extra seconds shaking at the end you should be ok. It is an extra hassle though.
I have the Craig Lynn shaker. One tap gets rid of the stuck coffee. It makes a great dosing cup because the grinds hit the little peak in the middle and this breaks up the grinds. I give it a good shake, tap and then pour onto my funnel because straight to the filter creates a ring on the outside. I then WDT. Combination gives me a really good distribution.
Enjoyed the intro and the humour in this video :) Well done. I think I mentioned the alcohol part on one of your Instagram's post, and I tried it when I got the shaker a couple days later... and I still get static. I use your same method, tamp the shaker on the kitchen top and then use a brush to brush off the ground. I also don't put the Bomber's shaker directly on the portafilter, since it leaves a wide enough ring which requires me to mess up with the puck. I do however WDT the top (just a few millimetres) to level the puck before tamping. This way I'm avoiding having a massive difference of concentration. I didn't do enough tests to say it's better than WDT or not, but I enjoy the coffee I get. The shots are not Instagram friendly and they are fast. But who cares! :)
Try shaking with pour over too? I'm curious if that changes anything, I thought I had worse / over extracted results the few times I tried with pour overs. But might have been my coffee. I noticed as well shaking smooths out the coffee but makes it more boring and lacks acidity, maybe also tasted more blended (less clarity but not sure) apparently limiting to just about 3 shakes will keep some acidity! So for most of your testing you didn't notice much of a difference? I thought you did mention it's usually smoother? I think your WDT tool could be better, the widely available cheap or self printable 'peoples WDT tool' is a nice design because it spreads the needles out a bit more, I also don't put a needle in the center part, that way no bunching /clumping the coffee together. I have a few videos talking about my tool / WDT choices I think :D
Thx for the recommendations. After trying couple of different wdt I will stick with mine for time being but always open for suggestions. I did indeed use shaker for pour overs but haven’t really compared it with my regular method so can’t say. I sold my current shaker but already ordered smaller one for La Pavoni so I can as well try it for pour overs.
I have exactly same shaker and i am using around more than 1 month. Actually I don’t realize any significant better taste or something but somehow taste is different than the classic preparation. But I didn’t like the shaking action and mostly i prefer the classical prep technique. About the static electric, if you spray some water to outside of shaker after shaking and tap it couple of times to table, all coffee release from surface. I am using same technique also for hand grinder. Because if you spray water to beans before grinding, hand grinder burr can be have sticky coffee mud.
I never understood what it changes to the puck for people like me that press the puck very hard at the end of the process just prior to pulling a shot. I mean what does it change if there is any clumps if everything is compacted at the end leaving no space between the various particules of coffee? I mean there will still be be microscopic spaces between particules but what does a wdt or shaker actually changes to that?
@@simonmonty7171 honestly I don’t know. It’s way beyond my comprehension but Lance seems to believe in that and he quoted some professor as well so who am I to argue.
First?! I have been trying to shake with my dosing cup, mixing in additional wdt of the top layer occasionally (this is my routine lately), it seems ever so slightly better. But it could just be confirmation bias and is pretty comparable to my usual routine. I’ve essentially switched out wdt in the dose cup for shaking it, both by itself and when I mate it with the porta filter. Negligible difference, but it works with my flow, so I’m keeping it for now. 🤷🏼♂️
@@mycoffeeshow111hahaha, the excitement of seeing no comments for the first time got the better of me, but it felt icky. I had to edit it to get rid of the feeling… it maybe it was the caffeine kicking in? ☕️
@@Carrot-3H hahaha. Comment after 4sec from releasing the video- that must be a record. Looks like you found a way around it. Maybe get the cheap shaker as well and compare both methods?
Have you considered tinkering with the grain size when you blindshake? I believe that lowering the grind size to match the timing of extraction of a shot done with WDT would provide some interesting results. Make the time of extraction the constant. You could really experiment in this direction and it would be superbly interesting.
Hmmm. Interesting idea. For my final tests I did dialled them in to the same time of extraction but obviously pulling few shots is statistically insignificant
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thank you! To be honest contrary to the tendencies in coffee preparation right now, I do not think it needs to be statistically significant to be tasteful and enjoying. I understand the importance of those but sometimes the sheer burden of these can limit the experience of a nice or subjectively better cup of coffee.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Well, I guess that is the world of content creation - "You will never satisfy everyone!" or if you somehow make it, one unfortunately loses their personal touch and opinion which are truly singular. Be yourself and paint your "colour" into the world canvas!
Thanks for the Video Jack! I like Bomber products I have some of them and they are good quality, I have the DEX basket apparently it's different to the BEP I belive you will have to use 20g of coffee get ready for caffeine! Try their puck screen very thin but very efficient.
i bought this same shaker and have already given up on it. not sure if its the climate here in hawaii but the grounds would stick to every surface of the shaker and if i tapped it on counter it would cause clumps. and it was messy. instead i wdt in my dosing cup while im dumping grinds into portafilter and then wdt again after its all dumped in.
Nobody mentions the clumping. I saw some in your basket, see them in mine especially if I RDT using a Niche. Maybe it doesn't matter but in the old days that was to be avoided. Years ago I bought a Weber blind shaker to escape WDT but probably spent as much time brushing in the remaining powder/fines stuck to the shaker then switched back to WDT. Now I've brought it out of the cabinet to use again. I can see and taste a "slight" difference but not enough to override my work flow preference of grinding directly into the the PF and then WDT. "To each his own" I guess.
Yeah, I remember being told we were not supposed to tap the portafilter from the side or it would create a channeling but with blind shaker I can’t make the bed even any other way. Wanted to blame everything on shaker being cheap but now you mentioned issues with the expensive one as well.
I have the shaker and love it. The important part with the shaker is the space between the PF and the shaker. I found it better that way than putting the shaker on the PF.
I guess after shaking you should just WDT the top at most, since otherwise you might lose this "densification" benefit that Lance is hypothesizing? I have been trying the MHW-3Bomber blind shaker for a while, and for me it can give interesting results, but also has a lot of static so it's not super enjoyable
@@mycoffeeshow111I think I got quite high extractions with the blind shaker. But somehow I don't have good enough repeatability/reproduciblity with my system (not sure why) to be able to really ascertain these things. Don't have a refractometer either ;)
I had a shaker before all this fuss and use it as a cup instead of the one that came with df64v. I use it with a spirograph and it is the most consistant way. I tried just using the shaker and it's not enough.
You have to shake it so gently that you're trying to fluff the grounds, rather than compacting the grounds. Most consistent results with 5-6 gentle shakes, then a couple of tumbles
I shake after grinding for one reason, it lets me grind finer. We buy high flow baskets and use puck screens, both increase flow so why not this? I used to WDT after, but removing that step made zero difference to my puck so I stopped. At the end of the day it's just one more technique we can use if we want to.
Hi Jack! Seen a really weird coffee grinder with very little reviews from a brand thats been getting attention lately - MHW 3bomber. Their "R3" grinder costs the same as a Kingrinder K6, with 48mm burrs but also a built in sieve for filtering fines?! Would be cool to see someone try it genuinely
Hi, thx. I have seen it as well. I am a bit reluctant to buy another hand grinder as the videos about them are so tiresome to make but maybe I should. Anyway, my review if their new WDT tool should be ready later on this week.
You might be right of course but this one is just £10. I spoke with few people who compared it with the expensive ones and claimed there were no differences.
There might be 1-2% difference in the perfect BS up high and swirling into the portafilters basket. But 99% won't taste the difference if you do normal wdt and tamp cleanly would be my take also.. It's a nerdy aspect that you can analize as other things coffee related..
I think that it's a trend that will disappear just like leveling tools My method is: -Grind into the dosing cup -Mix with a wooden stick -Unload into the basket and WDT just to set it evenly
The blind shaker makes the shots run faster and have a higher extraction yield, making posible to grind coarser and avoid channeling. It does not makes the shots taste better automatically
Yeah, I noticed it runs faster so I would grind finer to slow it down. Is that the only difference you think? I could achieve the same playing with rpm.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Ive been doing some blind shaker testing and I can confirm it does consistently make the shots run faster (for me at least). I use a timemore 064s with rpm set to lowest setting and a cafelat robot, and to get the same flow rate with shaking as wdt I need to go around 1.5 "lines" finer. I dont know what the lines on the 064s mean in terms of real measurement but the shaking definitely causes faster flow to the point where I want to adjust my grind finer. It would be interesting to compare the same grind size but with different rpm to get the same flow rate and see which shots are better
Genuine question, since I can't test this myself since it's very hard to get a blind shaker in my country : what if I use manual grinder and shake it really hard after grinding. Will it be the same as using a blind shaker?
I think it will work for the shaking bit. Some viewers mentioned they do that. Not sure how it would work for distribution of grinds. You would still need to use wdt i guess.
@@mycoffeeshow111 today I just bought that and the difference is Weber has a lower friction and glossy inside. I must say, Weber is like less mess or almost no mess compared to mhw-3bomber. But somehow due to the difference of price point and people or baristas everyday espresso making, it was never for everyone 💀. Everyday espresso making, commonly just straight tamp without WDT, or sometimes they use WDT. I think people using blind shaker is still rare.
WDT is vastly superior. shaker has terrible results. The shot you chose looked more like a turbo shot in terms of flow. The only thing I find shaker useful for is transferring from grinder to pourover, but not very useful for espresso IMO
Thx for sharing your thoughts. I was thinking about pour over. Do you think there would be any significant taste differences when transferring coffee with shaker vs regular cup?
@@mycoffeeshow111 no I don't think it makes a difference I'm just saying it's a handy tool to transfer 😆 I noticed you have a niche on your bench - is that instead of MC6?
@@ilyashful thx for the answer. I had bought for a long time. Dedicated to sell MC5. I am planning to put SSP MP burrs in Niche and see how it stands against Max 2 b4 I sell one.
@mycoffeeshow111 next step: slow feeding your grinder 🙂. I noticed. In do both slow feeding and shaking nowadays. I started with shaking, like you did, and I had to set the grinder to finer in order to achieve the same extraction time. I then started slow feeding my Eureka mignon specialita. Then again, I had to go even finer. Was your extraction faster after shaking? Did you go finer on your grinder?
If the shot does not look instagram-ready you are not allowed to enjoy it. You would not believe how many bad comments I got in the past for showing not so perfect shots 😁
Blind shaker only good for filter coffee. For espresso it is nightmare. For espresso the workflow is stupidly bad. 1st it leave badly rentention to shaker. Meaning if u got 18g, u left with 17.8g like that. And u still need to use wdt to distribute. Literally wdt is enough for you for espresso. The workflow is just stupidly bad for that small different. But for pour over, it definately give u the best workflow and result. With bigger grind size it wont leave much retention to the shaker. And the fine will go to bottom parts. So for the water flow it will enchance the flow. Rather without shaker the particle is mess up. For pour over it definately worth it and not to mention the workflow is simple. It just means u change the cup for coffee powder. nothing much. But for espresso, it just not worth.
@@slyztercoreveanged3175 thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. I tend to agree with you. In fact I have a separate video about shaking for pour overs ua-cam.com/video/S1pm4eQQKNA/v-deo.htmlsi=fUE2WGdqnSa5P__p
first time here. i find it funny you complained about the price of the Weber shaker, while you pull shots with a Decent Espresso machine :)) but anyway MHW-3bomber have some excellent products. I ordered their shaker as well over a month ago but it got lost in the post office:( for 20$, maybe i'll order again! interesting results you got there
Welcome! You finally made it here ! Yeah, I see your point and tbh I would probably bought Weber shaker if it wasn’t out of stock and with long waiting time. Please let me know if you try blind shaking yourself. We can compare the results.
@@mycoffeeshow111 yea i totally want to get another blind shaker from MHW, it's going to take some time though. but i'm using Flair58 and my consistency isn't that "hot"..
HaHa, so "15 people wind up in a UK Hospital with shoulder and elbow trauma from shaking too much". Who knew? Maybe Jerry Lee Lewis who sang, "Whole Lotta Shakin" Going On" knew, but then again perhaps we should be asking, "Will acupuncture needle makers now despair with the disappearing demand for their needles previously needed for WDT?" "Will their children need to beg on the streets in China with the abandonment of WDT?" Oh the humanity of it all. Such sadness. Instead of "shaking" vs using WDT, perhaps we should return to the really important oft repeated medieval question still needing an answer, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Since my espresso seem quite good, even remarkably good, with the "old fashioned" WDT technique, I, a mere simple minded, humble coffee drinking mortal human plan to sit on the fence merely awaiting further learned conclusions from people like you, Jack, one of the "The Coffee Gods". Thanks for a great video with great laughs, and no doubt, definitely one of your best.
I recently switched from WDT to shaker for my espressos after seeing Lance's video. It has cured my AIDS, my homosexuality and I now look 12 years younger.
100% agree. Even with refractometer, which I sometimes use, pulling few shots is statistically insignificant. Would have to do at least 100 samples and so on. Maybe when I quit my day job I will look into that.
Wdt does much better job. Lance, james etc are paid marketing trolls so don’t believe everything that they say. Just watch what your favorite local barista does.
Lol. “Normally i apply alcohol straight into my mouth” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DarkPa1adin I have my priorities 😛
“And it helps with my shakes”.
My first proper UA-cam laugh in a while! 👏🏻
@@gregmcgarry1 thx for watching. This week I should have a video about blind shaking for pour overs.
this intro 😂 love the creativity!
Thank you very much!
My favourite of your videos so far Jack, lots of humour and authenticity, love it!
Thank you very much for watching!
Hey Jack, very well produced video, that also made me laugh and was informative, too. My favorite line was, “I normally apply the alcohol directly to my mouth.” 😅
By the way, how did you get yourself in the newspaper clipping? Pretty cool special effects you have going on.
Cheers,
Tom
Thank you Tom, means a lot to hear it from you.
I used combination of drop zones and masks. All from motionvfx. Pricey but easy to use and effective.
All the best!
@@mycoffeeshow111 Very cool Jack, thanks for that info. Maybe I'll have to try a blind shaker one of these days. Do they make them for 51mm or 54mm? All the best for you and your channel! Tom
Really nice to see Tom on Jack's channel. Really like both of your videos.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner yes, i just bought one 2 days ago its advertised as 54-51mm
@@TomsCoffeeCorner everyone is shaking now so you should as well. Definitely 54mm, not sure about 51mm
Well done Jack, love the video!
Thank you very much!
I have found to pull a good shot it doesnt matter about the shaker its temp and grind size that makes a good espresso
Very true. Obviously good quality coffee is also important.
@@mycoffeeshow111 yes fresh beans are the key never buy from the grocery store unless it has a yime of roasting date
I've just ground (Eureka Mignon) into a dose cup then shake into portafilter, I've tried hand wdt and ARO Orbit Spirographic Espresso Distribution Tool and can't tell much difference from just going from dose cup to porifilter, leveler, tamp to machine, where I have notice a difference is when I went to a higher temp, but to be fair I'm 70yrs + old and my taste buds art as good as they use to be, but I'm getting tired of all the gadgets, seems like every week, just my thoughts, Happy Coffee Day :)
I kinda agree with you but those things excite me and I like playing with coffee. I remember the days when we just pour hot water over pre grounded coffee and it was tasty 😁
I loved the new way of editing Jack, quite creative and a good amusing script...
Besides my findings are similar to yours, with just blind shaker I realise the cup to be smoother, less of those sharp bitters and less dark chocolate notes but rather more like milk chocolate notes ... This video made me happy :D
Thx for your kind words and sharing your experience. Are you planning to stick with blind shaking then?
@@mycoffeeshow111 absolutely, I bought the blind shaker because it eases the workflow compared to wdt while not reducing EY
@@ishantsingh3366 I find WDT easier but maybe because I have used it for so long.
@@ishantsingh3366 What is EY?
I’m terrible at tapping to level so I wdt the surface. I really like the way the grounds dump into the portafilter using the shaker.
Thx for sharing your experience. Yeah, I am the same.
I got one and I like the work flow much better. I used to direct dose and found I needed to do more work on WDT. Now I just do the blind shaker and WDT to flatten the bed which takes a second. Much easier than the mess and WDT (even with a funnel)
@@gregorio5543 thx for sharing your experience. I still have one shaker left- maybe I should revisit this subject?
I bought one of these after the revolution... And about 3 days after receiving it I was back to wdt. I just find it much more consistent
I have to agree with you but I am prepared to change my mind in the future.
@@mycoffeeshow111 for sure. I wanted to like it, I hoped it would be faster and just as consistent. Yes some shots came out as good or even better, but some channeled, or just didn't pull well. Plus because of static it was another thing I had to brush out, which negated any streamlining of the process.
@@lowfuel6089how did you measure consistency? Do you have refractometer data to support that? Doesn’t really matter how the shot looks.
I purchased both the 3Bomber and the iKape. 3Bomber fits the 54mm much better. Even though the iKape has magnets, they never meet the basket rim. 3bomber 16$, iKape 33$. Also, the bell on the iKape has a slight gap and fine grinds fall out a bit. Interesting difference in the look of wdt vs shaker Jack! The shaker for me is less hassle. No need for doser cup.
@@philindeblanc thank you very much for sharing your experience. Very helpful. Right now I use cyclone WDT from MHW and I really like the workflow.
I got it today, I personally just love the way it looks and I get a good cup regardless of using WDT, the shaker or both. Bit sad about the ring it leaves on the coffee grounds when you place it on top of the portafilter. I doesn't change the coffee by a meaningful amount in my opinion, but it's just fun to shake up the routine. Certainly not a must in any way and sure if you go into the hard scientific extraction percentages then maybe, but if you just want to make a good cup of coffee you are good with what was previously know.
@@glennnl277 thank you for sharing your thoughts. It shakes up the routine- I like that. It should be their slogan.
Your newspaper editing is superb!
@@DarkPa1adin Thank you!
The shaker homogenizes the coffee fines more into the larger grounds compared to wdt where it can settle at the base of the porta filter especially when you tap it to settle the grounds only to WDT and agitate those fines more downward. From the last shot comparison, while the tiger striping looks nicer for pictures, its clearly seperated, whereas the shaker is more homogenized as a liquid now, more blended, and it might take longer to become a single stream because the water is flowing more fully throughout the entire puck and not just the center, thus slower to centralize into a single stream. Just a guess tho.
@@zh4k all sounds very plausible. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Jack your videos are awesome!
I have the same shaker and I hate using it. I get the same results, more clumps.
Now I take my DF83 metal cup (filled with coffee), attach to portafilter, shake both together, wdt, done
Lol thats actually a good idea. Thanks for that
Thx for watching. Very clever idea. I still have 54mm shaker left but since I sold my La Pavoni, I can’t play with it. Maybe I should record a video about pour over with and without shaker.
how is the retention of this compared to the rest of the blind shakers you may have? hope to see a video on the retention inside the tumblr after unloading in to PF.
Retention about the same as when grinding into the metal cup. If you remember to tap it and spend few extra seconds shaking at the end you should be ok. It is an extra hassle though.
I have the Craig Lynn shaker. One tap gets rid of the stuck coffee. It makes a great dosing cup because the grinds hit the little peak in the middle and this breaks up the grinds. I give it a good shake, tap and then pour onto my funnel because straight to the filter creates a ring on the outside. I then WDT. Combination gives me a really good distribution.
I do exactly the same. But I’ve got the cheap blind shaker from AliExpress which works a treat
I was considering Craig shaker but it was out of stock first and then I saw the price and decided to buy cheap one on Ali.
@@mycoffeeshow111 yeah - I should have done that. Plus it’s aluminum so it’s not magnetic, which my grinder is.
Enjoyed the intro and the humour in this video :) Well done.
I think I mentioned the alcohol part on one of your Instagram's post, and I tried it when I got the shaker a couple days later... and I still get static. I use your same method, tamp the shaker on the kitchen top and then use a brush to brush off the ground. I also don't put the Bomber's shaker directly on the portafilter, since it leaves a wide enough ring which requires me to mess up with the puck. I do however WDT the top (just a few millimetres) to level the puck before tamping. This way I'm avoiding having a massive difference of concentration. I didn't do enough tests to say it's better than WDT or not, but I enjoy the coffee I get. The shots are not Instagram friendly and they are fast. But who cares! :)
Thx for watching and sharing your experience. The most important thing is that you enjoy the process and coffee you get out of it.
Try shaking with pour over too? I'm curious if that changes anything, I thought I had worse / over extracted results the few times I tried with pour overs. But might have been my coffee.
I noticed as well shaking smooths out the coffee but makes it more boring and lacks acidity, maybe also tasted more blended (less clarity but not sure) apparently limiting to just about 3 shakes will keep some acidity!
So for most of your testing you didn't notice much of a difference? I thought you did mention it's usually smoother?
I think your WDT tool could be better, the widely available cheap or self printable 'peoples WDT tool' is a nice design because it spreads the needles out a bit more, I also don't put a needle in the center part, that way no bunching /clumping the coffee together.
I have a few videos talking about my tool / WDT choices I think :D
Thx for the recommendations. After trying couple of different wdt I will stick with mine for time being but always open for suggestions.
I did indeed use shaker for pour overs but haven’t really compared it with my regular method so can’t say. I sold my current shaker but already ordered smaller one for La Pavoni so I can as well try it for pour overs.
I have exactly same shaker and i am using around more than 1 month. Actually I don’t realize any significant better taste or something but somehow taste is different than the classic preparation. But I didn’t like the shaking action and mostly i prefer the classical prep technique. About the static electric, if you spray some water to outside of shaker after shaking and tap it couple of times to table, all coffee release from surface. I am using same technique also for hand grinder. Because if you spray water to beans before grinding, hand grinder burr can be have sticky coffee mud.
Thank you for sharing this tip!!!
I never understood what it changes to the puck for people like me that press the puck very hard at the end of the process just prior to pulling a shot. I mean what does it change if there is any clumps if everything is compacted at the end leaving no space between the various particules of coffee? I mean there will still be be microscopic spaces between particules but what does a wdt or shaker actually changes to that?
@@simonmonty7171 honestly I don’t know. It’s way beyond my comprehension but Lance seems to believe in that and he quoted some professor as well so who am I to argue.
First?! I have been trying to shake with my dosing cup, mixing in additional wdt of the top layer occasionally (this is my routine lately), it seems ever so slightly better. But it could just be confirmation bias and is pretty comparable to my usual routine.
I’ve essentially switched out wdt in the dose cup for shaking it, both by itself and when I mate it with the porta filter. Negligible difference, but it works with my flow, so I’m keeping it for now. 🤷🏼♂️
The best comment…so far 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111hahaha, the excitement of seeing no comments for the first time got the better of me, but it felt icky.
I had to edit it to get rid of the feeling… it maybe it was the caffeine kicking in? ☕️
@@Carrot-3H hahaha. Comment after 4sec from releasing the video- that must be a record.
Looks like you found a way around it. Maybe get the cheap shaker as well and compare both methods?
You can essentially polish the sueface with very fine grit sandpaper and stop the issue with grounds sticking
Wouldn’t that damage the powder coating and expose raw aluminium?
@@mycoffeeshow111 You dont need to do it that intensely to see the results, just a couple of minutes
@@theoperrin9653 i see. Well, it could work.
Awesome review! Awesome expression, awesome espresso! Thank you!
@@vsepotap thank you very much!
Nice video. Works by densification. Gives highest extraction percentage over other methods.
Thx for watching and explaining it. I should have tested the extraction percentage to confirm.
Have you considered tinkering with the grain size when you blindshake? I believe that lowering the grind size to match the timing of extraction of a shot done with WDT would provide some interesting results. Make the time of extraction the constant. You could really experiment in this direction and it would be superbly interesting.
Hmmm. Interesting idea. For my final tests I did dialled them in to the same time of extraction but obviously pulling few shots is statistically insignificant
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thank you! To be honest contrary to the tendencies in coffee preparation right now, I do not think it needs to be statistically significant to be tasteful and enjoying. I understand the importance of those but sometimes the sheer burden of these can limit the experience of a nice or subjectively better cup of coffee.
@@krapsi1101 well said indeed. You haven’t read the comments though criticising me for not using refractometer for every single shot 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 Well, I guess that is the world of content creation - "You will never satisfy everyone!" or if you somehow make it, one unfortunately loses their personal touch and opinion which are truly singular. Be yourself and paint your "colour" into the world canvas!
@@krapsi1101 thank you very much for your advice!
Thanks for the Video Jack! I like Bomber products I have some of them and they are good quality, I have the DEX basket apparently it's different to the BEP I belive you will have to use 20g of coffee get ready for caffeine! Try their puck screen very thin but very efficient.
Thx for watching. I have to say I like that BEP basket. Nicely made, works like any other good quality basket and it only costs £10!
Do you think an 18g basket needs more than 20g to fit properly in the machine? or do you mean because of taste or how can I understand that?
@@renesfoodpassion maybe it is deeper?
i bought this same shaker and have already given up on it. not sure if its the climate here in hawaii but the grounds would stick to every surface of the shaker and if i tapped it on counter it would cause clumps. and it was messy. instead i wdt in my dosing cup while im dumping grinds into portafilter and then wdt again after its all dumped in.
Looks like WDT tools won’t be gone anytime soon. Thank you for sharing your experience!
I bought the same exact blind shaker. Today, I just received it. I can't wait to try it out 😂
Such a coincident! Please share your findings with us.
Huge hack for me was slowly pouring beans in the grinder instead of all at once. Coffee tasted much better
@@itsjaynguyen thx for sharing. I even have a video about slow feeding. Too much hustle for me to do it on a daily basis though.
Nobody mentions the clumping. I saw some in your basket, see them in mine especially if I RDT using a Niche. Maybe it doesn't matter but in the old days that was to be avoided. Years ago I bought a Weber blind shaker to escape WDT but probably spent as much time brushing in the remaining powder/fines stuck to the shaker then switched back to WDT. Now I've brought it out of the cabinet to use again. I can see and taste a "slight" difference but not enough to override my work flow preference of grinding directly into the the PF and then WDT. "To each his own" I guess.
Yeah, I remember being told we were not supposed to tap the portafilter from the side or it would create a channeling but with blind shaker I can’t make the bed even any other way.
Wanted to blame everything on shaker being cheap but now you mentioned issues with the expensive one as well.
" taste is king" no matter how it look during brew , I use blind shaker without wdt and ocd. it give me great taste,
100% agree. If you like it, stick with it.
I have the shaker and love it. The important part with the shaker is the space between the PF and the shaker. I found it better that way than putting the shaker on the PF.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Have you stopped using WDT at all?
@@mycoffeeshow111 for the most part. Sometimes i will use it to groom the top after using the shaker 😂
I guess after shaking you should just WDT the top at most, since otherwise you might lose this "densification" benefit that Lance is hypothesizing? I have been trying the MHW-3Bomber blind shaker for a while, and for me it can give interesting results, but also has a lot of static so it's not super enjoyable
I see your point. What interesting results do you notice?
@@mycoffeeshow111I think I got quite high extractions with the blind shaker. But somehow I don't have good enough repeatability/reproduciblity with my system (not sure why) to be able to really ascertain these things. Don't have a refractometer either ;)
@@JakubTarnawski I see. Maybe I should have tested shots with refractometer myself but each time I do some say it is pointless.
I had a shaker before all this fuss and use it as a cup instead of the one that came with df64v. I use it with a spirograph and it is the most consistant way. I tried just using the shaker and it's not enough.
Yeah, it looks like combination of both works nicely.
You have to shake it so gently that you're trying to fluff the grounds, rather than compacting the grounds. Most consistent results with 5-6 gentle shakes, then a couple of tumbles
Thx for the tip. Will try it for my next video. I bought a shaker for my La Pavoni to experiment
What a legendary intro 😂
Hahaha, thank you. I appreciate your appreciation 😁
I shake after grinding for one reason, it lets me grind finer. We buy high flow baskets and use puck screens, both increase flow so why not this? I used to WDT after, but removing that step made zero difference to my puck so I stopped. At the end of the day it's just one more technique we can use if we want to.
Thx for sharing! If it works for you you’ll obviously use it. I am not so sure myself but I bought another, smaller version to try on my La Pavoni.
lol I loved your video you made me laugh so hard!!! Great energy my friend!!! Totally subscribed 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽☕️😎❤️
Thank you very much. Next video will be serious though 😛
Hi Jack!
Seen a really weird coffee grinder with very little reviews from a brand thats been getting attention lately - MHW 3bomber. Their "R3" grinder costs the same as a Kingrinder K6, with 48mm burrs but also a built in sieve for filtering fines?! Would be cool to see someone try it genuinely
Hi, thx. I have seen it as well. I am a bit reluctant to buy another hand grinder as the videos about them are so tiresome to make but maybe I should. Anyway, my review if their new WDT tool should be ready later on this week.
@@mycoffeeshow111 ah, that's understandable, and I always feel pain for you when you have to dump espresso to avoid having a caffeine overdose!
Unfortunately the coating is what makes the other blind shaker better I think.
You might be right of course but this one is just £10. I spoke with few people who compared it with the expensive ones and claimed there were no differences.
There might be 1-2% difference in the perfect BS up high and swirling into the portafilters basket. But 99% won't taste the difference if you do normal wdt and tamp cleanly would be my take also.. It's a nerdy aspect that you can analize as other things coffee related..
I think you are right here but I wouldn’t dare to argue with Lance.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Well you're more brute force and Lance's angelic BS routine is hard to replicate also.
I think that it's a trend that will disappear just like leveling tools
My method is:
-Grind into the dosing cup
-Mix with a wooden stick
-Unload into the basket and WDT just to set it evenly
I dont want to dismiss it completely. If Lance says something is better it has to be (even if it isn’t 😛).
@@mycoffeeshow111 We love Lance in any way 😎
The MHW blind shaker and Weber blind shaker do exactly the same thing right?
@@lmh651 some say yes, some say no. I would never spend $100 for a shaker myself.
The catching cup is my blind shaker.
I guess it would work.
The blind shaker makes the shots run faster and have a higher extraction yield, making posible to grind coarser and avoid channeling. It does not makes the shots taste better automatically
Yeah, I noticed it runs faster so I would grind finer to slow it down. Is that the only difference you think? I could achieve the same playing with rpm.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Ive been doing some blind shaker testing and I can confirm it does consistently make the shots run faster (for me at least). I use a timemore 064s with rpm set to lowest setting and a cafelat robot, and to get the same flow rate with shaking as wdt I need to go around 1.5 "lines" finer. I dont know what the lines on the 064s mean in terms of real measurement but the shaking definitely causes faster flow to the point where I want to adjust my grind finer. It would be interesting to compare the same grind size but with different rpm to get the same flow rate and see which shots are better
@@plantex625 thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe I will revisit blind shaking but this time for pour overs.
Genuine question, since I can't test this myself since it's very hard to get a blind shaker in my country : what if I use manual grinder and shake it really hard after grinding. Will it be the same as using a blind shaker?
I think it will work for the shaking bit. Some viewers mentioned they do that. Not sure how it would work for distribution of grinds. You would still need to use wdt i guess.
I use this method. I dont have any static on the lid. Maybe grinder thing?
Could be. Or could be the humidity of were you are.
I don’t trust it without WDT. The puck prep is abysmal when I use only the shaker.
Yeah, I am on the same page but wouldn’t it defeat that whole densification process?
Is there any difference between mhw 3bomber and Weber? (Blind shaker)
The price would be the biggest difference 😛 Some say there isn’t, some say Weber is of better quality. Personally I wouldn’t buy any.
@@mycoffeeshow111 today I just bought that and the difference is Weber has a lower friction and glossy inside.
I must say, Weber is like less mess or almost no mess compared to mhw-3bomber. But somehow due to the difference of price point and people or baristas everyday espresso making, it was never for everyone 💀.
Everyday espresso making, commonly just straight tamp without WDT, or sometimes they use WDT.
I think people using blind shaker is still rare.
@@kristoforusranandiasuliset3736 thx for the info. One would hope that Weber is a bit better, if you pay so much. For myself, good WDT tool is enough.
High extraction from blind shaker over 22% than with wdt over 21%
Thx for sharing your experience!
I have a feeling if you're patient, Normcore and a couple others will have a more affordable non sticking option.
You might be right especially if the trend continues.
@mycoffeeshow111 I wouldn't be suprised if Normcore, Ikape and others already have one in development or production.
@@Sinisterg60 never tried anything from Ikape. Are they good?
@@mycoffeeshow111 I haven't, I've pretty much stuck with my happy tamper and sworkdesign wdt for ages.
@@Sinisterg60 never knew that sworks has its WDT
Good video sir … funny and informative
@@criddyla696 thx for watching!
WDT is vastly superior. shaker has terrible results. The shot you chose looked more like a turbo shot in terms of flow.
The only thing I find shaker useful for is transferring from grinder to pourover, but not very useful for espresso IMO
Thx for sharing your thoughts. I was thinking about pour over. Do you think there would be any significant taste differences when transferring coffee with shaker vs regular cup?
@@mycoffeeshow111 no I don't think it makes a difference I'm just saying it's a handy tool to transfer 😆
I noticed you have a niche on your bench - is that instead of MC6?
@@ilyashful thx for the answer. I had bought for a long time. Dedicated to sell MC5. I am planning to put SSP MP burrs in Niche and see how it stands against Max 2 b4 I sell one.
@@mycoffeeshow111 maybe I can get your mc5 😜
@@ilyashful MC5 is already sold but if I can get comparable shots from Niche with MP and Max2 I might sell it as well
It really depends on your grinder. If your grinder grinds very uniformly, I would say shaking the coffee would not bring much to the table.
Have you done testing? What Lance did with the EKG would suggest otherwise
Interesting. There are so many variables here to consider. I used DF83V, ssp cast burrs, 500rpm
@mycoffeeshow111 next step: slow feeding your grinder 🙂. I noticed. In do both slow feeding and shaking nowadays.
I started with shaking, like you did, and I had to set the grinder to finer in order to achieve the same extraction time. I then started slow feeding my Eureka mignon specialita. Then again, I had to go even finer.
Was your extraction faster after shaking? Did you go finer on your grinder?
@@udyb yes, the shaking made the shot run faster. I did a video about slow feeding last year. It worked but took well too long for everyday coffee
A biggest thing I take away lately is its not how the shot looks, just how it tastes! I blame all you ruddy youtubers 🤣🤣🤣
If the shot does not look instagram-ready you are not allowed to enjoy it. You would not believe how many bad comments I got in the past for showing not so perfect shots 😁
@@mycoffeeshow111 Oh I quite believe it Jack, no perfect tiger tail equals bad coffee *sigh*
@@ColdCoffeePhotography do you remember those days when we all used spouted portafilters and nobody cared much about how shot looks like?
loved this one
Thank you!
The day it spills everywhere you’ll change your mind again. Personally I get better results with WDT
So far I like WDT as well but always open for new ways to make my life more complicated 😛
Haha you're funny, Jack) thanks for the video
Thx for watching. Life is funny, I just show it as it is 😛
Blind shaker won despite more channeling? lol
@@DarkPa1adin I’m still not sure if and how exactly it impacts the flavour. For me it is simply too much hustle to use it on a daily basis.
@@mycoffeeshow111 I just use a water tumbler as my open blind shaker. Less hassle and retention
@@DarkPa1adin good idea. I’ll have another shaking video ready by the end of this week.
Blind shaker only good for filter coffee. For espresso it is nightmare. For espresso the workflow is stupidly bad. 1st it leave badly rentention to shaker. Meaning if u got 18g, u left with 17.8g like that. And u still need to use wdt to distribute.
Literally wdt is enough for you for espresso. The workflow is just stupidly bad for that small different. But for pour over, it definately give u the best workflow and result. With bigger grind size it wont leave much retention to the shaker. And the fine will go to bottom parts. So for the water flow it will enchance the flow. Rather without shaker the particle is mess up. For pour over it definately worth it and not to mention the workflow is simple. It just means u change the cup for coffee powder. nothing much.
But for espresso, it just not worth.
@@slyztercoreveanged3175 thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. I tend to agree with you. In fact I have a separate video about shaking for pour overs ua-cam.com/video/S1pm4eQQKNA/v-deo.htmlsi=fUE2WGdqnSa5P__p
first time here. i find it funny you complained about the price of the Weber shaker, while you pull shots with a Decent Espresso machine :)) but anyway MHW-3bomber have some excellent products. I ordered their shaker as well over a month ago but it got lost in the post office:( for 20$, maybe i'll order again! interesting results you got there
Mine they said delivered to mailbox but never got..now price is about doubled..forget it
Welcome! You finally made it here !
Yeah, I see your point and tbh I would probably bought Weber shaker if it wasn’t out of stock and with long waiting time.
Please let me know if you try blind shaking yourself. We can compare the results.
@@mycoffeeshow111 yea i totally want to get another blind shaker from MHW, it's going to take some time though. but i'm using Flair58 and my consistency isn't that "hot"..
@@anonylesss maybe I should get smaller blind shaker and try it on my La Pavoni to see if it makes any difference for lever machines?
@@mycoffeeshow111 that would be a cool experiment! what grinder are you using here?
HaHa, so "15 people wind up in a UK Hospital with shoulder and elbow trauma from shaking too much". Who knew? Maybe Jerry Lee Lewis who sang, "Whole Lotta Shakin" Going On" knew, but then again perhaps we should be asking, "Will acupuncture needle makers now despair with the disappearing demand for their needles previously needed for WDT?" "Will their children need to beg on the streets in China with the abandonment of WDT?" Oh the humanity of it all. Such sadness. Instead of "shaking" vs using WDT, perhaps we should return to the really important oft repeated medieval question still needing an answer, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Since my espresso seem quite good, even remarkably good, with the "old fashioned" WDT technique, I, a mere simple minded, humble coffee drinking mortal human plan to sit on the fence merely awaiting further learned conclusions from people like you, Jack, one of the "The Coffee Gods". Thanks for a great video with great laughs, and no doubt, definitely one of your best.
Hahaha. I like your sense of humour. There are so many songs about shaking I could use but YT would not allowed it because of copyright laws.
Love it...Subbed lol
Thank you!
I recently switched from WDT to shaker for my espressos after seeing Lance's video. It has cured my AIDS, my homosexuality and I now look 12 years younger.
Alleluia!!! Must be an interesting way you are shaking it over there 😛
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you made me laugh so hard
Love you Videos.
Thx for watching!
Jack, very entertaining and informative, too! And, as your title suggests; "another BS" ... not to mention a big PITA! My opinion, of course.
Thx for watching. Lots of people swear by it. And remember, we can’t argue with Lance 😛
LOL ... I believe they call it "agree to disagree"!@@mycoffeeshow111
@@davecharvella4854 I do agree with your initial point but don’t want to be crucified by blind shaker believers
Amen!@@mycoffeeshow111
Blind shaker makes my coffee all small balls 😂 I hate it to be honest 😅
And I thought I am the only one who is not happy with it 😛
@@mycoffeeshow111 🤣 by the way amazing video brother. thank you 😊
@@siphawtia4647 thx for watching!
I apply the alcohol to my mouth.
This is the way
@@niro750 that is what we do here 😛
I’m sorry but without a refractometer this whole video is pointless. Pseudo science to the MAX
100% agree. Even with refractometer, which I sometimes use, pulling few shots is statistically insignificant. Would have to do at least 100 samples and so on. Maybe when I quit my day job I will look into that.
Lance's video was nowhere near as entertaining as this. 😉
Haha, Thank you!
Wdt does much better job. Lance, james etc are paid marketing trolls so don’t believe everything that they say. Just watch what your favorite local barista does.
Interesting point of view. I will stick with WDT for now.
More BS, and thanks for not making up flavors you might taste to sound important.
@@markmlinar1511 thx for watching!