83mm SSP MP vs SSP Cast Lab Sweet vs DLC burrs. | Which are the best burrs for DF83V?
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Cast can also make mediocre beans taste decent. MP with great beans = great coffee. Thanks for the comparison. One more thing: I think MP shines with turbo shots. Easier to dial in those aswell.
100% agree. If the coffee is not great, MP will just magnify the imperfections. I used this particular coffee because I didn’t like it much. I couldn’t use anything expensive as I would waist a lot of it. Thx for watching!
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I love your humour. Great videos. I have the df83v with the dlc burrs so this is right up my alley. Are some of the other burrs louder?
Thx for watching. Each burrs sets makes different noise. DLC are the fastest so you don’t have to deal with it for long. Cast sounds strange, like it starts quietly and then bumm, and then quiet again.
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Thank you very much!!! I would actually recommend to get DF83V to replace DF83. Same name but very different grinders. DF83 is very good but 83V is simply on another level.
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Another awesome video! Thank you for the information and comparison between the burrs. Ive got a DF83 v1 and I've been thinking about upgrading to SSP MP for a while as I'm not enjoying the standard burrs.
I enjoy the funky, fruity coffees and texture isn't as important to me. The problem is that I've got a GCP and without a gaggiuino or a pid kit, temperature surfing gives such inconsistent results between cups that I've stopped myself from buying the SSP burrs, in favour of buying a more thermally stable machine.
Thanks again for the video Jack. Your information is fantastic but i can't say I'm still sure on what to upgrade first 😂
Thx for watching. MP should work nicely for you with DF83.
So are you planning to modify your existing machine or buy something else?
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks so much for your input! I feel that I don't have the skills to modify the GCP and I'm not sure I want to put in the time and effort and be left with a dead machine...
I'm at the moment between the Decent or go for something in between till I'm sure; something like the BDB or the Argos, purely based on their thermal stability claims.
This is the debate, do I save for a new machine and just keep with my current setup or just go for the burrs and wait even longer for a new machine 🤔
@@gero77 there is also Kafmasino One which seems interesting. I also heard that Espresso Outlet will be introducing some smart espresso machine in the future but they don’t want to share any details yet.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Ohhhhh that's interesting news! Can't wait! I'll check the Kafmasino One as well! Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your help!
Hi bro thanks for the comparison, I love you videos by the way. do not get discouraged and keep up the good work. you never know when the youtube's algorithm kicks in. I like your channel because it is straight and honest no fluff or silly music advertising gadgets that do not add value. I have the de1 pro and niche duo with ssp hu and lab sweet in the burrs carrier and have mp waiting for a burrs carrier when I can find one. I love you can switch burrs so easily in this grinder. with the HU I taste acidity that is tamed compared to stock burr and when switching to the lab sweet you can taste the funky mellow notes. after 2000 shots, I can tell a good espresso from bad one but my taste buds are not developed enough yet to get all the notes youtubers get. maybe 20 out of 2k shots where I could taste berries and maple syrup. I now have high flow baskets and might be over extracting even when shot times are lowered to 16 seconds according to difluid r2.
Thx for watching and your support.Maybe you are right. Maybe I shouldn’t over editing my videos and concentrate on the subject.
I sometimes struggle to get all the flavour notes myself. What I do then is to concentrate on the basics- thickness, texture, sweetness-sourness-bitterness and balance or lack of it.
The problem with my Niche is that the screws stuck and it is very difficult to undo them.
I’m sorry your channel is growing slowly. Please know your effort and information is very much appreciated. Too few are comparing and sharing their findings when it comes to espresso and filter coffee and the information you provide can help us understand where we should spend our $$ on equipment or not. It was one off comparison but Hoon likened espresso from cast 64mm to 83mm hu that latter had think more body but similar overall to espresso from 64mm when hot then 64mm cast sweeter than hu once cooled and body from hu faded. I wonder if cast or mp burr are easier to dial in on the duo since df83v adjusts maybe little less precision-needs burr carrier and adj ring like df64v so smoother and more even.
Thx for your support. I have 64mm cast and they are ok for pour overs but not for espresso. They give very thin shots and it is very difficult to dial in. Maybe he has different version of them. 83HU are difficult to describe. They are better than standard burrs but I struggle to explain exactly how. Maybe I would change my mind if I kept them for longer and played with different rpm.
Jack, you're the best! I realised you mentioned that you didn't want to clean the burrs too much, to avoid removing the patina. May I ask you a question about this? I just received my new DF83V. What should be the cleaning process of my grinder look like? I thought I had to remove the burrs periodically and brush the insides and the burrs a bit... but if that would remove the patina and affect negatively the flavour, then I rather not do it.
Thanks a lot for your videos. Especially for DF83V owners, you're godsend!
Thx for watching. Different people would have different ways of cleaning the burrs. I just use a brush. Definitely would not recommend to wash them. I’m not sure how burrs seasoning works but some say that during this process you cover burrs with coffee oils. So the last thing you want would be to remove them while cleaning. I was mostly thinking about Cast burrs. If you look closely, you will notice coffee dust on them. Difficult to remove.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks! Then I'll just apply some gentle brushing when cleaning the whole burr group. Cheers and keep up the great work!
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I am thinking about getting a df83v for filter mainly and sometimes espresso. Would you recommend me to get the filter burrs and the ssp lab sweet if I want a bit of everything in the cup?
Thx for watching. As I said, ssp mp would give you the best pour over if you like sharper and crispier notes. I would say go for brew burrs first, play with them. They will need some seasoning. After a month or two, if you feel like you are missing something, go for ssp. Both cast and mp are great.
Great video, thank you very much.
It seems the cast burrs are the most versatile.
With lower RPM, slow feeding, ... they maybe could give a more uniform particle distribution and so a more similar taste compared to the MP burrs.
Thx for watching. I bought them only because they were cheap (from one of the viewers) and I am really positively surprised with them. So much so that I put them back into DF83V after I recorded this video, and use Kafatek for pour overs.
I realize that MP and LS actually produce more fines and lower uniformity, which is nice for brewing light roast coffee. A member in my coffee group tell me that if the grinder create high uniform ground your coffee should taste flat and boring. I dont know but fines may be clog our filter paper but sometimes also gud for flavor, they also produce High Uniformity version but i think it is better for espresso.
My C40 MK4 produce higher uniformity ground than K-Ultra but I just sold C40 because I felt that K-Ultra give me more complexity than C40 (idk but maybe you feel different)
I think you are correct here, at least partially. Too much fines can make your coffee muddy or even bitter but too little can make it flat and boring. I discovered that when testing different rpms on DF83V
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Thank you for your support. I plan to run it till the end of the year b4 I make the final decision.
it would be interesting if you could have had the ssp hu in the mix to have the direct comparison down the road. The burr chase is interesting, so many options and choices. thanks for your video, great info.
Thx for watching. You know, it took 6h to record this video. With one more set it would likely be 7or more.
Anyway, the money I got from selling HU I used for buying Cast. Was not planning to get MP at that point. I often make spontaneous decisions 😛
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I will keep going, one video at the time, as long as there are people watching them.
Mazzer could be on to something new with their i200d burr as limited info but HB user noted it seems highlight sweetness with the clarity w/light roasts in contrast to ssp mp. Few pointed out geometry is similar to drm burr.
Thx for the info. I haven’t heard about it. I was never a huge fan of Mazzer burrs for anything but classic espresso
@@mycoffeeshow111 They have two burr options, I189D are a classic Mazzer type burr and the I200D is supposed to be good on light/medium roasts and got a rave review on home-barista, check it out. Now there is a preorder on the Mazzer Philos
It would be really cool to see the 64MP up against the 83MP and the 98 Brew or HU. I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that direct comparison. I have 98HU, 64MP, but not 83MP, and I would like to see how different the 83 is from the 64 and 98.
Well, I did 64 vs 83 cast and I plan to do the same for MP. Theoretically I could put different 98burrs in my Kafatek but it would be too much hustle.
Anyway, my working theory is that the bigger the burrs the more open the flavour notes are.
My DF64 Gen2 came with DLC pretty happy with them. But in the future I will be upgrading to something else, not quite sure yet but time will tell.
My DF64 gen 2 came with itamil burrs. How come you got dlc? Anyway, for 64mm I would recommend MP over LS.
@@mycoffeeshow111 In Australia they come by default which is surprisingly good! Im working on getting MP later on!
@@elyfotography I see. I got mine for free from Espresso Outlet so can’t complain here 😛. Please let me know how you like MP once you try them.
Nice vídeo and insightful. How long does it take to swap burrs and does it requiere for proper alignment?
Thx for watching. I got so good at this, that by the end of the video it only took like 3-4minutes. As for alignment, that is something that can take much much longer but as I said in this video, I just don’t do it anymore.
@@mycoffeeshow111 would you recommend swapping burrs with proper alignment like 2/3 times per year ?
@@ricard3851 lots of smart people say alignment helps so I would say yes, but I am still too lazy to do that 😛
This is perfect timing. I'm upgrading my DF83 V2 burrs from the stock Italmill. I was wondering whether, or not to upgrade to the SSP or go for the DLC.
Thx for watching. If you don’t mind paying more, SSP would be my recommendation.
@@mycoffeeshow111 It's a hefty price, but I think it's going to be the SSP. 👍
Hey Jack,
Any chance you could check if the dlc brew burrs can grind fine enough for espresso?
My favourite burrs so far are the eureka atom pro 75mm burrset. They are very sweet. I don’t think you have a kafatek flat, but if you do some coffee retailers will sell this burrset separately for a price of around $250usd. It’s worth it if you have a grinder that supports this size.
Thx for sharing. Those burrs sound interesting.
As for your question, no, dlc brew won’t grind for espresso. You can try them for turbo but even that would not be easy.
Jack great video, Lmk if you decide to sell the cast burrs. Would love to own them but too much $$ new
Thank you. I put them into DF83V after the video. They are very good at making average coffee delicious. If you are in UK, one of the viewers is selling them on EBay
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks for letting me know. Keep up the amazing work!
I really enjoy the Mazzer espresso burrs in the Niche Duo. Where would they fall in this comparison? I'm assuming they're most similar to the DLC espresso burrs.
Well, if you like Mazzer burrs, stick with them. Personally I am not a fan. For pour overs I had some decent results sometimes but for espresso I would often choose DLC over mazzer . If you want to upgrade to ssp , Cast would suit you best.
Thanks! I have cast burrs for my Zerno but haven't done much espresso with them. Will have to put them back in for comparison. Love the channel by the way. Great work, Jack.
For the Cast burrs, did you notice any more sweetness vs the other two? I'm surprised at the grind speed differences, in 64mm world I think the MP are the slowest, surprised the cast burrs are even slower here.
The thing with speed is not that straight forward. Remember that LS produce more fines so you grind much coarser for the same time of extraction. Which of course affects the grinding time. For MP on the other hand I had to grind at very low settings (5 vs 26 for LS).
As for taste, sometimes I do notice sweetness and less sharpness , possibly because of more fines but maybe it is psychosomatic.
Hi Jack. I struggle with the Lab Sweet burr on df83. Not sure what's causing the issue, but I grind with lots of fines and can't really make good filter coffee. What do you think? Have you tested LS on df83 (no V)
Hi, I got LS after I sold DF83. There might be 2 problems here. First, u need to season them well. The guy I bought them from also didn’t like them but he only used them for a short time.
Second is RPM of your grinder. What I forgot to mention in the video, I went for 600rpm for pour over and I would go even lower for cast burrs if aiming for clarity. Whatever you do, they will never give you crisp cups like MP but can grind for a very delicious one for sure.
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How narrow is espresso range on the ssp mp for you? I heard all about how hard it is to dial in ssp mp but I had no problem
Well, all depends on coffee, profile and basket. I put all the numbers in the video. For example, standard burrs I almost immediately hit the right spot and end up on setting 16. With MP, it was running like water until I hit nr5. At 8 was still very very fast. With this coffee I would say anything between 4.5-6 would work.
Hi may I know 83mm SSP LS silver burr consistent for each shot?
After you season them well, as good as any other ssp burrs. Why? Have you noticed some issues with yours?
Hi Jack, hope you are doing well! Can you do a video or reply back on the consistency of the DF83v (and perhaps compare to the Max 2 on consistency too)? The reason I ask is because I've pulled many shots on the DF83v and it varies widely, from 27 seconds to 36 seconds! Using 19g in 38g out. Stock DLC espresso burrs. Idk if I should return my DF or what.
Hi, tbh I haven’t noticed that big variations on my DF83V but even with Max2 not every shot is precisely the same. Do you weigh coffee after each grinding? Sometimes retention can be an issue. It that case try rdt, sometimes it helps. Another thing would be an inconsistent puck prep. What espresso machine do you use? Have you tried it with different grinders?
@@mycoffeeshow111 Thanks for the reply Jack.
I'm using a Lelit Bianca. RDT and WDT. Retention is low because I weigh pre and post grind. I'm going go collect more data and see how it goes.
@@tarekz9992 Please keep me updated. Sometimes more seasoning of burrs can solve some issues. If possible try different grinder with your machine and see how it behaves.
@@mycoffeeshow111 will do! I ordered 2kg of cheap espresso from Amazon and plan on using it strictly to season the burrs over the course of 3 days. Once seasoned, I'll collect data from 20 shots using a different coffee. I'll reply back with the results (or if there a better way to share the data lmk).
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Hi! I ran about 10lbs of really cheap beans through the DF83v. Today I pulled 10 shots using Costco Kirkland Signature Espresso Beans (cheap but good enough for an experiment).
WDT and RDT. Normcore distribution tool, v4 tamper, and stainless steel mesh. Stock IMS basket from the Bianca, set to 95 deg celsius. Terrible results. Grind size stayed at 26, 800 rpm. Not sure what to do. Still within return period. I did align the burrs before seasoning, was perfect but better than stock. Any chance you can run tbis same experiment within a couple days?
Beans, out of grinder, shot time, shot grams
19.1, 19.2, 32s, 38.8g
19, 19.2, 21, 37.2g
19, 19.2, 32s, 38.2g
19, 19.2, 31s, 38.1g
19, 19.2, 24s, 38.6g
19, 19.2, 25s, 38.9g
19, 19.2, 29s, 38.6g Shook dosing cup in Porta
19, 19.2, 30s, 38.4g shook
19, 19.2, 22s, 38.5 shook
18, 19.2, 24s, 38.2 shook
Do you want to try out 83mm SSP brew burr. They aren’t made anymore. I have a seasoned (about 6kg) set I am selling in UK.
Not sure if I can afford any more burrs but I am curious about them for sure. Can you find me on Instagram?
@@mycoffeeshow111 yes I will try and dm you on there
Wish you hadn’t sold the HU burrs and you could have compared them with the others seasoned.
Yeah, I often make impulse decisions. As I said, at that time I was about to close the channel and already put DF83 on the market so there was no point in keeping those burrs . Then Joe sent me DF83V and all changed.
@@mycoffeeshow111 Glad you didn’t quit! I enjoy your videos. I have the SSP HU on my df83v and have thought about trying cast or mp burrs.
@@erikasoldit thx. cast are very good at making average coffee a great tasting coffee. MP can magnify everything, both good and bad notes in your cup. HU burrs are difficult to describe.
@@mycoffeeshow111 I went with the HU because I read it is the best of both clarity and body for espresso.