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    chainsaw man chapter 167 manga review. Something happened to Denji and Asa that broke everyone. Shocked, surprised, but Fujimoto. Everything in Chainsaw man 168 will change. This is a review of Chainsaw man 167, explained, discussion, breakdown, analysis, reaction.
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  • @vianabdullah2837
    @vianabdullah2837 Місяць тому +3672

    The moment Denji said he wanted sex, we all should've expected it to end in the worst way imaginable.

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +328

      Knowing Fujimoto, this most definitely could've ended way worse than it already did.

    • @enzoarayamorales7220
      @enzoarayamorales7220 Місяць тому +105

      @@aleisinwndrlen7113honestly I do think it’s gonna end really badly the next chapter like she for sure gonna rip it off next

    • @vasa_kot
      @vasa_kot Місяць тому +11

      its not that bad

    • @_Lumiere_
      @_Lumiere_ Місяць тому +56

      @@vasa_kot Yeah, this is pretty tame for CSM, isnt it? It's a great scene and I do really feel bad for Denji and Asa here, but it shouldnt be controversial just because we see some bodily fluids.

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +13

      ​@@_Lumiere_ Twitter basically reacted the same way Asa did back during the falling devil arc.

  • @evilmike861
    @evilmike861 Місяць тому +4527

    Yoru switching out with Asa at the last second is like sukuna switching out with yuji in shibuya

    • @ethannewton2398
      @ethannewton2398 Місяць тому +125

      Underrated comment 😂

    • @Sugiura_Goto
      @Sugiura_Goto Місяць тому +169

      That was a nasty stray

    • @akifhossain5122
      @akifhossain5122 Місяць тому +292

      🎵 🔥 YOU ARE MY SPECIAL 🔥 🎵

    • @sockclad9066
      @sockclad9066 Місяць тому +37

      This made me laugh out loud. Well done.

    • @feedo1
      @feedo1 Місяць тому +49

      ​@@akifhossain5122🗣️ Doroyku, Mirai, a beautiful star 🗣️

  • @mattb.7079
    @mattb.7079 Місяць тому +2717

    Post-nut clarity Denji is gonna be a whole different character💀

    • @akifhossain5122
      @akifhossain5122 Місяць тому +127

      He finna be the GOAT 🗣️🗣️

    • @axelnebula6975
      @axelnebula6975 Місяць тому

      Hell be like: UMM...well horny over. Nayuta needs saving

    • @Khann_2102
      @Khann_2102 Місяць тому +37

      Or it might go the other way 💀

    • @n4ko
      @n4ko Місяць тому +46

      hes gonna find illumination for like 5 minutes

    • @user-ku8yi5to4f
      @user-ku8yi5to4f Місяць тому +12

      Is not the Best post nut clarity, in fact is the worst but denji never has any luck ever and asa and yoru and not the most sane not the Best looking ever

  • @Fuzzyslipperzz
    @Fuzzyslipperzz Місяць тому +2549

    Denji's post nut clarity will him help lock in and look for Nayuta lol

    • @MichaelMyers87
      @MichaelMyers87 Місяць тому +62

      I was thinking this as well lol.

    • @TamerJamal-op6ym
      @TamerJamal-op6ym Місяць тому +28

      chapter gave me doujinshi ptsd, but it is more raw because we have followed their journey now for like 2 years i think (at least for asa).

    • @warudos
      @warudos Місяць тому +18

      Yall dont know a 16 year olds sex drive. If you think this'll wake him up.

    • @INCOGNITO-iq4qy
      @INCOGNITO-iq4qy Місяць тому +12

      Nah its gonna be those post nut guilt because instead of searching or feeling bad for Nayuta he doing this instead.

    • @sharavy6851
      @sharavy6851 Місяць тому +8

      ​@@warudosWho said they were finished?

  • @MM-fw3wr
    @MM-fw3wr Місяць тому +3518

    This chapter is going to filter out a lot of people from Chainsaw Man but I have 100% belief that Fujimoto is going to take this in a groundbreaking direction just let him cook

    • @tomasavendanozacarias5205
      @tomasavendanozacarias5205 Місяць тому +150

      i just think that this has been a doujin with some shoenen fights since the beginning

    • @WeebGuru6
      @WeebGuru6 Місяць тому +5

      Oh yea 💯

    • @LemanNz1993
      @LemanNz1993 Місяць тому +282

      I'm actually glad that people are pissed off or getting offended by this chapter, i hope they all drop the manga, the amount of stupidity posts im getting in my time line in Twitter is absurd. It feels like we're reading 2 different mangas

    • @Bkr0507
      @Bkr0507 Місяць тому +135

      I think people are just tired of seeing Denji get sexually abused like how many times is fujimoto gonna do this💀

    • @godo4687
      @godo4687 Місяць тому +36

      When I was opening this chapter I literally thought "csm is going kinda slow, but let's see if Fujimoto cooked this time"

  • @badpiggy4177
    @badpiggy4177 Місяць тому +1432

    I do think what happened to Yoru was interesting
    She basically felt Asa's lust, but didn't have the knowledge of how to control it
    And so she acted on it
    Obviously doesn't make it okay, just interesting that Asa and Yoru are becoming one

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +166

      Makes sense for her to feel Asa's lust, as they shared half a brain together. As much as Asa tries to suppress it, she can't deny human nature.

    • @cream9292
      @cream9292 Місяць тому +48

      i feel like asa just actually doesn't exist. Like her and Yoru are the same person. All the other horsemen have physical human forms and even after being eaten, makima just became nayuta, so it wouldn't make sense for war to need to become a fiend. Yoru is just a projection of asa with no inhibitions, which is why no one can see any difference between them and why they sorta melded together in this chapter

    • @lainsencer
      @lainsencer Місяць тому +140

      ​@@cream9292 please never cook again worst theory i read on internet

    • @Zen-zt4uk
      @Zen-zt4uk Місяць тому +15

      @@cream9292 I don't... what?

    • @cream9292
      @cream9292 Місяць тому +18

      @@lainsencer don't come back when my cooking turns out to be right.
      don't come back when denji decides he's done with women and becomes a femboy enjoyer.
      stay on that side

  • @singleplayerhearts7272
    @singleplayerhearts7272 Місяць тому +1169

    We aint making it to animation with this one bois

    • @chungo_16
      @chungo_16 Місяць тому +70

      Yeah i bet mappa isnt gonna animate this

    • @i_handle_kids
      @i_handle_kids Місяць тому

      evangelion did, who says csm can't?

    • @KuzaMando
      @KuzaMando Місяць тому

      You think so?...​@@chungo_16

    • @pointlessless2656
      @pointlessless2656 Місяць тому +60

      By 2030 Mappa is gping become even more unhinged I'm telling you

    • @mjsansantossoaresferreirad7159
      @mjsansantossoaresferreirad7159 Місяць тому +61

      Evangelion did it and if not by mappa then fuck mappa

  • @gustavoburciaga6200
    @gustavoburciaga6200 Місяць тому +462

    This was absolutely the most Chainsaw Man chapter I have ever seen!

  • @FearlessGamer27
    @FearlessGamer27 Місяць тому +739

    Never have I seen a chapter divide people like this.

  • @ilikethis3203
    @ilikethis3203 Місяць тому +558

    I genuinely choked and spat out Diet Coke during my read. The people around me where confused while I was choking and shouting on the train "Oh my god" and "What the fuck?"

    • @n4ko
      @n4ko Місяць тому +19

      same here. im lucky I was alone because I was screaming... An only time experience reading a manga xD
      Every page went even further I truly was shouting WTF

    • @vendetta548
      @vendetta548 Місяць тому +10

      they faces killing me why nby gaf

    • @Paradoxicallibility
      @Paradoxicallibility Місяць тому +21

      Why is bro reading chainsawman in a train doe 💀💀

    • @ilikethis3203
      @ilikethis3203 Місяць тому +7

      @Paradoxicallibility cus bro goes outside and has a job that requires bro to commute by train 💀💀

    • @Paradoxicallibility
      @Paradoxicallibility Місяць тому +14

      @@ilikethis3203 No like chainsaw man is the last shonen you wanna read in public 💀💀

  • @salt.2650
    @salt.2650 Місяць тому +1316

    Fuji the first guy to make a 2-way SA

    • @classicslayer456
      @classicslayer456 Місяць тому +68

      Nah Joss Whedon did it 25 years ago

    • @kotorandcorvid4968
      @kotorandcorvid4968 Місяць тому +10

      ​@@classicslayer456What happened exactly?

    • @classicslayer456
      @classicslayer456 Місяць тому

      @@kotorandcorvid4968 a character took control of the main characters body and fucked her boyfriend afterwards

    • @dumflame
      @dumflame Місяць тому +4

      That describes it but also doesn’t at the same time

    • @classicslayer456
      @classicslayer456 Місяць тому +125

      ​@@kotorandcorvid4968 a villain took control of the main characters body and slept with her boyfriend. The boyfriend didn't know.

  • @cristianaoliveira750
    @cristianaoliveira750 Місяць тому +933

    dude, poor denji, the guy is always being taken advantage of... also asa, the horror on her face when she noticed what yoru did is so sad

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +150

      Yeah, this chapter only makes me feel bad for Asa tbh. Like, girl had no idea of what was happening, and had no control over her own body, and yet she basically had violated herself. I feel like Fujimoto is just trying to make her suffer as much as Dennis.

    • @cream9292
      @cream9292 Місяць тому +28

      @@aleisinwndrlen7113 i feel like asa just actually doesn't exist. Like her and Yoru are the same person. All the other horsemen have physical human forms and even after being eaten, makima just became nayuta, so it wouldn't make sense for war to need to become a fiend. Yoru is just a projection of asa with no inhibitions, which is why no one can see any difference between them and why they sorta melded together in this chapter

    • @theamazingcowlet
      @theamazingcowlet Місяць тому +25

      Don't they have a contract tho? Yoru took Asa's body under the promise that she will defeat chainsaw man with it, and although I don't think these two will ever split it is not exactly like Yoru is a 100% reincarnated devil

    • @flappyflap2693
      @flappyflap2693 Місяць тому +2

      shit is funny as fuck

    • @cream9292
      @cream9292 Місяць тому +19

      @@theamazingcowlet its made to mirror denji's contract with pochita, but denji had prior interaction with pochita, while asa only met yoru the moment she was dying. yoru has never been shown to be an entity outside asa, unlike denji and pochita.
      considering all that it makes me think asa actually is 100% devil since birth, like nayuta, but she's just been winter soldier 'inactive' till she almost got killed in her first devil appearance, which is when the war devil in her got activated

  • @BillRussell-tronm
    @BillRussell-tronm Місяць тому +200

    I've seen alot of people saying things like "we get it denji and Asa have trauma we don't need to keep seeing it" that's not how it works. People who experience trauma are not able to just stop running into it the rest of their lives. Rather they actively seek it willingly or unwillingly because of the feelings of familiarity. Fujimoto isn't just trying to make a point he's showing the reality of life following traumatic events.

    • @ForReal_Lauren
      @ForReal_Lauren 29 днів тому +2

      💯

    • @kemanie74pasahii37
      @kemanie74pasahii37 27 днів тому +3

      Yea people are seeing this and acting like denji is a freak or that fujimoto is a weirdo like he hasnt been building this plot from the beginning. You dont just get over getting groomed and manipulated by multiple women in a short few month time skip 😭

  • @therealeikichionizuka
    @therealeikichionizuka Місяць тому +495

    the people asking for sex in chainsaw man when they get sex in chainsaw man:

    • @Marlinkz_
      @Marlinkz_ Місяць тому +54

      this is in no way sex

    • @akifhossain5122
      @akifhossain5122 Місяць тому +181

      You missed the 'assault' part 💀☠️

    • @therealeikichionizuka
      @therealeikichionizuka Місяць тому +7

      @@akifhossain5122 true

    • @micu8942
      @micu8942 Місяць тому

      But like have they just forgotten that himeno almost had seggs with a minor?
      And now that someone with the same age as denji is doing it, everyone freaks out?

    • @TheTrueJ836
      @TheTrueJ836 Місяць тому +23

      ​@Marlinkz_ I mean, technically it wasn't sex, but it was a sexual act.

  • @animeanxiety
    @animeanxiety Місяць тому +194

    It’s crazy how with the insane scene happening I was for some reason super fixated on Yorus weird reaction to it all the most. You’re on point with your breakdown of her potential identity crisis rn!

  • @deliii395
    @deliii395 Місяць тому +670

    This chapter was great with interesting implications for the future for our 3 characters.
    1. Asa was essentially SA'd by what went down between Yoru & denji. Throughout the chapter this was the source of anxiety.
    2. Denji thinks it's Asa
    3. Yoru remembering the kiss that nayuta erased from memory and trying to connect with it.
    In conclusion, I feel like this is going to have major repurcussion. Asa & Denji have so much compatibility and chemistry, this really adds an extra layer of mess between them. This chapter also put into perspective just how dangerous it is for Asa to lose her body to Yoru. Yoru wanted to fight chainsaw man but it is now when she follows her instinct for craving love and intimacy(probably through Asa's human emotions but without the conscience/ morality of Asa) that she becomes a truly dangerous entity to Asa and Denji.

    • @simpoly6929
      @simpoly6929 Місяць тому +8

      Well said

    • @johancito16345
      @johancito16345 Місяць тому +47

      Like, both denji and asa where SA by yoru technically

    • @sharavy6851
      @sharavy6851 Місяць тому +7

      Calling it "basically SA" feels a bit reductive.

    • @boserboser6870
      @boserboser6870 Місяць тому +36

      ​@@sharavy6851denji was definitely SA'd (apart of the grooming theme) if you dont think so reread the chapter and notice how denji was disassociating after a small opposition
      Asa was forced into the situation by yoru which can be interperpreted as sa. We'll see if it's followed up though.

    • @naughtyhieroglyph669
      @naughtyhieroglyph669 Місяць тому +3

      I suspect that Nayuta is still alive, and when she finds out.... Oh boy...

  • @mattb.7079
    @mattb.7079 Місяць тому +287

    I think this is pretty much the worst thing that could've possibly happened for Denji, Asa and their relationship. Retrospectively, knowing Fujimoto's writing, it was bound to happen - Denji's ever-present horniness, a lost girl and a manipulative demon sharing one body... - even though it's astounding how radical he went with it. This is without a doubt the turning point of the story, this is what this whole part has been building towards up till now in the same way as Aki's death - this is the moment of brutal disillusionment when you realize things will never be the same anymore. There's this same cruelty and perversion in the writing: Fujimoto places all the elements for us to hope for the characters and their future, and then took it away in an instant. We know Asa has feelings for Denji, and the sexual attraction Yoru experienced definitely comes from Asa since they share the same brain, but Yoru's unrestrained and manipulative nature prematurely forced what should've happened naturally and thereby scarred (maybe destroyed?) their relationship forever... It's probably an unpopular opinion, but it elevated the story as a whole so much for me; it feels like the last piece of the puzzle has been put in place for us to finally understand the true point and direction of Part 2

    • @ayochayce8185
      @ayochayce8185 Місяць тому +8

      I just find that chapter hot

    • @Khann_2102
      @Khann_2102 Місяць тому +34

      ​@@ayochayce8185Is this Denji's alt account?

    • @ayochayce8185
      @ayochayce8185 Місяць тому +1

      @@Khann_2102 excellent question 🤔 🤣🤣🤣

    • @dari9345
      @dari9345 Місяць тому +22

      I completely agree with you. I feel people that see this chapter as bad, are taking it at face value, lacking the whole context and the deepness of what just actually happened. It's not meant to be taken as a fetish or something good, it does have a purpose for the story and it wasn't out of the blue either.
      I also don't see why people are so divided by this chapter, it may be pretty explicit visually, but regular body fluids are nowhere near as gross, for example, the vomit scene, which was at the start of part 1, waaay before Chainsaw Man actually became pretty popular, so I don't see how this interaction was the turning point, when it's not as gross as other things we've seen. It's a great chapter because of what it implies for the story, and I don't really think people are seeing what it's supposed to mean, they are just seeing the freaky interaction at face value and calling the manga weird for that.

    • @niten1ryu
      @niten1ryu Місяць тому

      dawg he showed the cream 💀💀💀‼️‼️

  • @Travis_20098
    @Travis_20098 Місяць тому +347

    That actually describes pretty well how chaotic first sexual interactions between teenagers are, for some it may be uncomfortable or unexpected, but it really isn't that surprising, especially for Chainsaw Man

    • @IMRTLDAN
      @IMRTLDAN Місяць тому +27

      Yeah i feel like alot of the ppl complaining about this chapter are just children lol

    • @soysource3218
      @soysource3218 Місяць тому +22

      @@IMRTLDAN
      For some reason they also haven't read Chainsaw Man before reading chapter 167 because this is Fujimoto's usual pacing and antics.

    • @murderman8578
      @murderman8578 Місяць тому +6

      Never had a sexual experience as a teenager

    • @Travis_20098
      @Travis_20098 Місяць тому +23

      @@murderman8578 I'm sorry (?) but what I was referring to is in general they're very rushed and chaotic, enjoyable and everything, but not exactly romantic, in first person my first experiences were kinda fucked up

    • @Empty58931
      @Empty58931 Місяць тому +1

      You really don't have to remind me of that... I was the same age as them drunk on the beach late night after a party with a not even attractive girl and kinda did that but with roles reversed...

  • @SadBirbHours
    @SadBirbHours Місяць тому +79

    The lack of media literacy I've seen surrounding this chapter has actually caused me to lose sleep.
    Yes Denji was SA'd
    Yes Asa was SA'd
    Yes it was messed up.
    Yes thats the point.
    Yes a running theme throughout the entirety of Chainsaw man is Denji being manipulated and abused by older women.

    • @vomilksined8047
      @vomilksined8047 Місяць тому

      Will ask Denji what he thinks about it in next chap 😂

    • @mikey.love.
      @mikey.love. Місяць тому +1

      @@vomilksined8047 Yeah well he can barely comprehend what happened in the next chapter

    • @chocolatemuchie8403
      @chocolatemuchie8403 29 днів тому +2

      Like in the context of this: art is either suppose to comfort the disturb or disturb the comforted

    • @goawaygosh
      @goawaygosh 27 днів тому

      Fujimoto once again inserting his fetishes into his story. Based mangaka is based.

    • @rafesarafesa8097
      @rafesarafesa8097 26 днів тому

      You know perfectly well that the SA issue will not given any kind of importance in the manga.

  • @cedricwine
    @cedricwine Місяць тому +131

    I was laughing while reading this manga not because of the story.
    I laughed because i imagine the faces of lin and everyone at mangaplus when fujimoto give the draft.
    I bet fujimoto gave a more graphic draft and this one is the is the tamest.

    • @AB-dd4jz
      @AB-dd4jz 29 днів тому +6

      Knowing he draws doujin on his off time It's quite possible

    • @Bigblackguynumber9
      @Bigblackguynumber9 25 днів тому

      ​@@AB-dd4jz he does?

  • @mostfa1158
    @mostfa1158 Місяць тому +248

    That image will be stuck in my mind for a long time, i want it gone 🙂

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +9

      Thankfully the next chapter drops next week, so... fingers crossed.

    • @mostfa1158
      @mostfa1158 Місяць тому +60

      @@aleisinwndrlen7113 next chapter will be aki looking at denji from heaven and saying"that's my boy "

    • @kaiiheenjik1668
      @kaiiheenjik1668 Місяць тому +12

      I watched through evangelion before reading chainsaw man, this is light work.

    • @IMRTLDAN
      @IMRTLDAN Місяць тому +3

      Lol you shouldnt be reading the manga if your underage lmfao😂

    • @mostfa1158
      @mostfa1158 Місяць тому +1

      @@IMRTLDAN im 18 bro, this year at least

  • @matthewmellott1856
    @matthewmellott1856 Місяць тому +138

    Fire Punch is exactly why I feel this wasn’t as surprising for me.

    • @markk217
      @markk217 Місяць тому +26

      Chainsaw man part 1 is exactly why I feel this wasn’t surprising to me 🤷‍♂️

    • @irecordwithaphone1856
      @irecordwithaphone1856 Місяць тому +23

      ​@@markk217People were reading part 1 with the same blindfolds Makima used on the convicts

    • @soysource3218
      @soysource3218 Місяць тому +6

      @@irecordwithaphone1856
      The manga was building up to this point for ages and people were still surprised 💀
      To be fair it was probably more the pacing that surprised them as in how quickly it escalated.

    • @SunnysideFiend
      @SunnysideFiend Місяць тому +3

      Fire Punch didn’t have much of the assault *shown* though, and same with Fujimoto’s other works.

  • @reiq4976
    @reiq4976 Місяць тому +257

    I just feel so much dread for Asa especially because She's the ne most in danger of being completely erased and isolated in conversations just like how both Denji & Yoru don't percieve Asa's consent. Denji cause he doesn't know that's not Asa. Yoru cause she doesn't care.

    • @MamaJoe-bl7vv
      @MamaJoe-bl7vv Місяць тому +49

      Yoru is low-key the most terrifying villain in csm. Also, Yoru is the only one at fault in this situation.

    • @allrightformugiwara2656
      @allrightformugiwara2656 Місяць тому +43

      Idk, i think that when yoru kissed denji it's also because she shares the same emotions as asa, as a part of yoru want to kill csm and asa try to save denji, they have a lot of flaws but i think the last panel when we see that asa is back with yoru's eyes definitly means that they probably for the first time felt the same way and had the same goal as at the exterior they are just one

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@MamaJoe-bl7vv I'm a bit torn between her and Fami. But Fami does have some good intentions at least, and she does seem to genuinely care about Denji and Asa to a degree. Yoru is literally just hell-bent on getting her revenge.

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@allrightformugiwara2656 Or maybe it's just like a transition effect to signify Asa regaining control.

    • @cream9292
      @cream9292 Місяць тому +3

      i feel like asa just actually doesn't exist. Like her and Yoru are the same person. All the other horsemen have physical human forms and even after being eaten, makima just became nayuta, so it wouldn't make sense for war to need to become a fiend. Yoru is just a projection of asa with no inhibitions, which is why no one can see any difference between them and why they sorta melded together in this chapter

  • @rygornspectre7142
    @rygornspectre7142 Місяць тому +309

    For the people who "didn't" see that coming ...
    We readin' the same manga?

    • @aleisinwndrlen7113
      @aleisinwndrlen7113 Місяць тому +30

      I expected it to happen at some point, but not this chapter, that's for sure.

    • @Tobias-Smith
      @Tobias-Smith Місяць тому +27

      I expect something like this, tbh I thought worse, but what I didn't expect was it to go straight to it next chapter instead of some banter in-between the scenes about it. Just caught me off guard with how immediate it happened

    • @uroboloss
      @uroboloss Місяць тому +31

      I didn't see it coming. It's not out of place for Chainsaw Man or any of Fujimoto's work but I wasn't expecting it at that moment.

    • @Bleeblooplu
      @Bleeblooplu Місяць тому +4

      The manga has been a little slow these past couple of chapters so my expectations were very low. I did not see that coming

    • @bluefrenk1750
      @bluefrenk1750 Місяць тому +4

      We all saw him coming what u mean

  • @user-vf8yr6hh1u
    @user-vf8yr6hh1u Місяць тому +120

    They keep SAing my boy 😭 Leave him alone!

    • @incognito5416
      @incognito5416 29 днів тому +1

      He liked it tho

    • @Apaxqt
      @Apaxqt 29 днів тому +10

      Look I’m not into chainsaw man but bro was clearly being manipulated

  • @TheoVorster
    @TheoVorster Місяць тому +69

    To further add onto the idea that Yoru/War has experienced some loss of identity, there's also the fact according to Yoru, Pochita/black Chainsaw Man previously devoured a part of War/Yoru when they last fought. So one could also view Asa as sorta completing and filling in what Yoru/War had previously lost. The nature of Asa and Yoru's situation, instead of the typical approach to possession narratives that treat the parties involved as separate individuals, could arguably now be better conceived of as analogous to like dissociative identity disorder, with Asa and Yoru being like alters of the same person.
    Also if anyone has read the comic "Saga" by Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples, that comic also proposed the idea that the opposite of war isn't peace, but rather its opposite is "fucking"/making love. What you brought up in today's video reminded me of that.

  • @onewingednugget7366
    @onewingednugget7366 Місяць тому +38

    I really kinda hope asa will tell denji the truth about Yoru. Our poor guy needs to at least know that if he didn't consent it wasn't asa.

  • @thejakester6458
    @thejakester6458 Місяць тому +28

    I love this chapter even though it’s a difficult read. Chainsaw Man isn’t a fairy tale and Denji and Asa most likely won’t get their fairy tale ending. The hardest part now is the aftermath and seeing how Fujimoto handles this. Sexual assault is a sensitive topic so I hope he doesn’t glaze over it and play it off for laughs.

  • @Mr.Eggthreal
    @Mr.Eggthreal Місяць тому +27

    Denji losing his virginity quite literally made it more popular than JJK, Burrito, MHA finale and epilogue, and One Piece. Denjis climax is more popular than the climax of JJK 💀💀💀💀

  • @OneLuckyStriker
    @OneLuckyStriker Місяць тому +405

    It's very telling how disgusted people are by this chapter, but Denji suffering all sorts of abuse and going to literal hell is fine and okay. I believe people are being hypocritical because they don't know how to deal with scenarios that we can all relate to, to a certain extent

    • @SunnysideFiend
      @SunnysideFiend Місяць тому +53

      SA hits a lot closer to home for a lot of people than most of Denji’s trauma. And people who haven’t experienced it aren’t necessarily talking about this chapter with much tact. That’s why people are “over”reacting.

    • @scarf550
      @scarf550 Місяць тому +123

      @@SunnysideFiend Yeah but the thing is denji has been SA'd multiple times and nobody really acted like this.

    • @ayochayce8185
      @ayochayce8185 Місяць тому

      For real

    • @ayochayce8185
      @ayochayce8185 Місяць тому +12

      ​@@SunnysideFiend I just know that it's fiction...SA is not a joke however sometimes for plot if that's there...Then let Fujimoto cook

    • @ayochayce8185
      @ayochayce8185 Місяць тому +23

      ​@@scarf550FUCKING EXACTLY

  • @ComposedSage75
    @ComposedSage75 Місяць тому +96

    Been waiting on your video on this. Yoru went for what Asa was too scared to do. She remembered the kiss she had with Denji cuz she felt affection for him. She doesn’t understand those feelings so it all kinda exploded the way it did.
    I do feel bad for Denji cuz he did envision finally getting to do that but not in the way he expected. He was basically SA’ed. Asa wasn’t in control so Yoru did it against her will. Also: *Evangelion reference* at the end.

    • @sonicwithglasses131
      @sonicwithglasses131 Місяць тому +1

      It doesnt count as SA bro, thats only for girls not dudes

    • @Duck-3
      @Duck-3 Місяць тому +27

      ​@@sonicwithglasses131 sonic wouldnt say that, you fiend.

    • @sonicwithglasses131
      @sonicwithglasses131 Місяць тому

      @@Duck-3 idgaf

    • @moonlight-wp8lq
      @moonlight-wp8lq Місяць тому +5

      ​@@sonicwithglasses131Stop spreading misinformation

    • @sonicwithglasses131
      @sonicwithglasses131 Місяць тому

      @@moonlight-wp8lq there is no misinformation

  • @UliTroyo
    @UliTroyo Місяць тому +41

    Also, I liked the detail that when Yoru loses control of the knife, it shrinks into a smaller pocket knife.

  • @mrstickmantas
    @mrstickmantas Місяць тому +33

    Mappa is gonna go CRAZY with this 💀

  • @welmorfianvm4039
    @welmorfianvm4039 Місяць тому +60

    First thing next chapter, Denis is getting slapped in the face by that same hand, mark my words

    • @denji4740
      @denji4740 Місяць тому +9

      Lmao 🤣 I can’t I just imagined it too.

    • @ashester2276
      @ashester2276 Місяць тому +4

      this aint the average romance anime/manga
      lol, asa wouldn't slap him

  • @yueqiiz
    @yueqiiz Місяць тому +20

    it was so uncomfortable and i did not like it, i believe that was the purpose, so it was a good chapter since it achieved what it intended to.

  • @mycah925
    @mycah925 Місяць тому +41

    honestly, it's so funny seeing all of the different reactions. like, i never read past volume 1 of Fire Punch and even i knew that this was some real Tatsuki Fujimoto shit. like, you can REALLY TELL who has read Fire Punch, Fujimoto vs who has read Look Back or Goodbye Eri, Fujimoto

    • @justapassingbycommenterrem5642
      @justapassingbycommenterrem5642 Місяць тому

      The amount of mindfuckery my mind went through with powerpunch, nothing more can surprise me from fujimotor tbh

  • @enzoarayamorales7220
    @enzoarayamorales7220 Місяць тому +14

    Sufferants I just love how you make things sounds more chilled out than they actually are

  • @MoMbarek250
    @MoMbarek250 Місяць тому +41

    ONE OF THE CRAZIEST CHAPTERS
    fr tho, i did NOT expect that lol

  • @Chrisdish
    @Chrisdish Місяць тому +52

    Would you say Denji made love not war...
    Or love to war?

  • @coelacant871
    @coelacant871 Місяць тому +27

    Ayo identity disorder theory? You sound like my therapist (im so sorry)

  • @cyborgcuttlefish6326
    @cyborgcuttlefish6326 Місяць тому +8

    after reading this chapter, i was so excited for the video you were gonna drop

  • @user-ue2lj7gk4d
    @user-ue2lj7gk4d Місяць тому +20

    How this gonna get animated 😭💀💀

    • @pegeta
      @pegeta 27 днів тому

      with a lot of unqiue censoring

  • @saldinhoeywa1664
    @saldinhoeywa1664 Місяць тому +7

    Never was more curious about your analysis

  • @BiggieCrescent
    @BiggieCrescent Місяць тому +59

    HOLY SHIT EVANGELION REFERENCE 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

    • @tngaming50
      @tngaming50 Місяць тому

      EVANGELION WW2 FLASHBACKS!!!

    • @Redofreko
      @Redofreko 21 день тому +1

      this fr boutta be the start of the evangelion philosophical psychoanalysis ahh era of chainsaw man

  • @kingofthe_humanz8285
    @kingofthe_humanz8285 Місяць тому +7

    I just wanna point out that Yoru remembered what nayuta programmed her to forget. i think having a strong enough love for someone lets you resist control devil and maybe even fami's abilities. President Power was also able to resist control because of her strong love for denji, so maybe since Asa (and by extention Yoru cuz they feel the same emotions) loves denji so much it allowed them re-remember that date night.

  • @takanara7
    @takanara7 Місяць тому +7

    Yoru as a name isn't intrinsic to the war Devil, Asa found it awkward to keep calling her 戦争の悪魔 (Sensō no Akuma - literally 'demon of war') so she told Asa to call her Yoru, so it really is just a pun on Asa's name. But deeper then that Yoru's identity as "yoru" is intrinsically tied to her connection to Asa.

  • @thedude-nf1uf
    @thedude-nf1uf Місяць тому +16

    Didnt have the semen demon or devil on my bingo card

  • @-unknown7908
    @-unknown7908 Місяць тому +30

    I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO ALL DAY

  • @Tricky-tl4bl
    @Tricky-tl4bl Місяць тому +9

    No I completely thought of the same thing with the merging, lowkey this is a 3 way SA since pochita as well💀.

    • @Axodle
      @Axodle Місяць тому +1

      I wonder what pochita was thinking in this scene.

  • @thetruestar6348
    @thetruestar6348 Місяць тому +8

    I’m glad I don’t get CSM p2 leaks/spoilers chapters hit harder that way

  • @cruzen1313
    @cruzen1313 Місяць тому +1

    8:25 Sufferents Brother, I like your in-depth analysis but when you add something like this I lose it 😆 🤣 lol

  • @alejandroxd6418
    @alejandroxd6418 Місяць тому +7

    i've always thought Yoru chose that name because "Asa" means "morning"
    So "night" is opposite to "morning", Yoru is opposite to Asa

  • @the-micreb5876
    @the-micreb5876 Місяць тому +3

    I think the idea of the “singular being” is really interesting and there’s a really good case for it. If we look back to Ada’s dream with all the chicken corpses, that might be the future she sees for herself once entangled with Yoru, the chicken being a callback to Bucky, the first life she ever took. This is even further compounded in chapter 112 when Asa says she’ll “turn someone into a weapon” as she steps on a chicken, with Yoru smiling. This is the first instance of ASA becoming like Yoru, with many more likely to come.

  • @happyphiri4237
    @happyphiri4237 Місяць тому +5

    Are you gonna make future videos on choujin x ? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it so far

  • @w33bghoulsan79
    @w33bghoulsan79 Місяць тому

    you put much more thought into it than I did. the way you put it makes it much more deep than I originally thought

  • @NapstaMeme
    @NapstaMeme Місяць тому +6

    1:34
    _Speaking of hands in pockets_

  • @jrk1666
    @jrk1666 Місяць тому +13

    Bro lasted 27 panels

  • @blacklark3546
    @blacklark3546 Місяць тому +4

    I actually had a similar theory before this but this is really good
    Asa could just be a representation of a split personality, that asa actually has always been war demon all her life, she just came out upon the time she had to use her power to heal from death

  • @zeroturtle-bu7zb
    @zeroturtle-bu7zb Місяць тому +2

    YOU DELIVERED BROTHER,
    When I think about, the scene links up some between Eva and Csm. Both of the climaxes occurred at someone else's expense. In Eva it was Asuka and CSM it was Asa.

  • @LxAxV
    @LxAxV Місяць тому +5

    Bro said “I think about this chapter “ 😂

  • @menkaragamble8175
    @menkaragamble8175 Місяць тому +7

    I didn't get the feeling war was "in control" during the scene.

  • @foryossimodicarbonio9703
    @foryossimodicarbonio9703 Місяць тому +3

    Holy Cow, I almost forgot that the kiss was supposedly erased from their memory

  • @THE_Number_ONE_1_HATER
    @THE_Number_ONE_1_HATER Місяць тому +1

    8:21 it’s so much harder to take your video seriously when you’re playing this in the background😂

  • @NewtSplinter
    @NewtSplinter 29 днів тому +2

    "Make love not war!" Dear god...

  • @VampireA1056
    @VampireA1056 Місяць тому +23

    What a climactic chapter

  • @gorditacrunch5168
    @gorditacrunch5168 Місяць тому +4

    I saw this in a comment, can’t remember who it was so sorry about that but it brought up something I completely forgot- Nayuta used her powers to erase the first time Denji and Yoru/Asa kissed, and she seemingly started to remember that, meaning Nayuta’s powers may be fading. Denji in his post-nut clarity might notice this and be locking in next chapter basically

  • @VLeo-sonofliberty
    @VLeo-sonofliberty Місяць тому

    from a serious type of editing to a funny guy editing, you my good sir had quite the good development lol

  • @recantedforger5850
    @recantedforger5850 29 днів тому +2

    @Sufferents I'm not familiar with current CSM, but another author of the series Saga, Brian K. Vaughan touched on this idea awhile back. He depicted an author in his own story with experience in war and how he coped with life by writing using a coded method after discovering his own antithesis of war, which wasn't peace or love...but sex. He wrote steamy love stories, most just called erotic trash, but had an undertone of dealing with war and completely dismantling it. It was a pretty interesting concept when thinking about it the first time.
    Taking life in the name of an passion
    Creating life in the name of an passion
    It always takes more than 1 person(we're talking sex not sexual gratificaiton)
    You typically question stopping halfway through either of them
    The ideas just go on and on.
    Just a cool sidepiece I thought I'd throw out if you're interested

  • @greyworld6242
    @greyworld6242 Місяць тому +9

    And it broke us good!
    Make love not war!

  • @jj6184
    @jj6184 Місяць тому +6

    I like the idea of there 4 horsemen’s goals being the opposite of what they represent for control she wants a relationship for famine she is gluttonous and for war in my personal opinion she wants love as love is kind of the opposite of war and the usually go together in the saying love and war

    • @patrickdali4063
      @patrickdali4063 Місяць тому

      But Love is war🤓
      More seriously, a better opposite to love would be indifference rather than war imo.
      And for war, Peace.😊
      Though, as many as interpretations they might be, your theory of them seeking the opposite of what they stand for is quite solid.

  • @samflood5631
    @samflood5631 Місяць тому +2

    To quote Gambit from X-Men 97: “Gambit can never unsee that.”
    Or to quote Marcelle from Delicious in Dungeon: “Woah Hey!”

  • @neworker4885
    @neworker4885 Місяць тому +2

    When you mentioned every horsemen wanting something the first I thought of for yoru id love. war is a very brutal affair with loved ones being lost on both sides. So just like control who wants a family not brought to her by force and famine has a essentially never ending hunger, war craves intimacy and love and thats why she got so passionate with denji and makes weapon on how much the object means to the host

  • @thecanadianfood
    @thecanadianfood Місяць тому +7

    So people are trying to claim that Asa was a victim of what Yoru did too but also claiming that Asa and Yoru are becoming one.
    So if they are becoming one, then what they did to Denji was something that both Yoru and Asa both decided to do, in which case Asa wouldn't be a victim as well. Or am I understanding this wrong?

    • @bigjim9956
      @bigjim9956 Місяць тому +1

      To me it seems like the “becoming one” thing is just speculation atm since we dont have enough info.
      I think the next 2 chapters might clear things up

    • @SpinDuality
      @SpinDuality Місяць тому +3

      Yoru and Asa still have independent thought and individuality during and after the situation so it's pretty clear that Asa did not decide to do it too.

  • @mrm0nty550
    @mrm0nty550 Місяць тому +4

    Yoru's name was picked in opposition to Asa's. Until the contrary is shown, to me it's a name she picked on a whim simply because Asa's name means "morning". There's also no proof that War has done this before and there's no precedent of other devils taking over humans like she does. Violence is the closest we get and we see that his hosts memories had an effect on the resulting being's personality. Basically, Asa and Yoru merging together is the unforeseen consequence of taking over Asa but basically keeping her alive as a sort of partial fiend and might be the reason why other devils don't take over humans like this.

  • @matilozano96
    @matilozano96 Місяць тому +2

    Ever since the "So, this is love" scene (or however it was, whenever Yoru figured out Asa was catching feelings for Denji and Yoru was affected by it, it felt clear to me that Asa and Yoru were sort of merging.
    You could possibly make the case that Asa becoming more assertive could also be related to that.
    When it comes to the name, I think War picked Yoru just to spite Asa. Since you're Asa (Morning), I'll be Yoru (Night). I'm everything you're not, your polar opposite. It's like a Jekyll and Hyde thing, or a Bruce Banner and Hulk thing. Maybe once they merge they'll start calling themselved Shogo (noon), but that doesn't sound like a woman's name, so I wouldn't bet on it lol

  • @UrAvrgSmoker
    @UrAvrgSmoker Місяць тому +15

    LITERALLY MODERN SHINJI IN HOSPITAL ROOM SCENE

  • @Wegboe
    @Wegboe Місяць тому +12

    Could it be that when Yoru got the flashback because nayuta's curse to forget the kiss ran out? I would think if it hasn't run out up intil now, there has to be a reason for it dissapearing, maybe she's been killed at that moment or too weak to keep the infliction up?

    • @mazus9398
      @mazus9398 Місяць тому +10

      Angel and Aki briefly broke free from Makima's control in the past when they experienced strong emotions.

    • @aboodsaad8790
      @aboodsaad8790 Місяць тому

      @@mazus9398 and power resist makima control because of strong emotion to denji

  • @Ducky190
    @Ducky190 28 днів тому +2

    The kid was taken advantage of yet again. My boy's story is so so damn tragic! It wasn't a good experience for him what so ever. Sure first time experiences can be kind of awkward in the beginning when it comes to sex, but the reaction that Denji gave after was what made me feel for my boy. Who knows how he will be after this. He just looked so damn dejected on that train ride.😢

  • @con.x
    @con.x 27 днів тому +2

    This is how DID works sometimes. Trauma is deeply related to a Disassociative System. And sometimes during an "encounter" one identity will switch out to manipulate the another identity. Identities are supposed to protect, but they are also individuals with desires and sometimes want to hurt each other ("themselves?") ... It's very complicated, and bound to trauma. The Integration portion is also a thing. less common, but sometimes... also being unsure of names, or feeling conflicted about a name. They are and are not, the person they say they are, each identify knows they are "Host-name" but also themselves. And even after integration it's not always clear. a Fractured mind, is always fractured, even if you glue the parts back together, and all the parts are "fronting" ... we all have this, we are just so used to it, we dont even realize. The voice telling you to keep pushing, while the voice in your head is saying no, I cant do it. Which voice is you? Maybe both? ... And when doctors sever the left-right hemispheres of the brain, the two brains decide differently... and maybe always did. Our brains are so much more complicated than we think, weve just evolved to just accept it all without realizing it. Children who experience Trauma are forced to realize it before their brains stop being un-settled on that idea. And so they can separate "me" from "other me"

  • @SamTheGumMan117
    @SamTheGumMan117 Місяць тому +3

    What a cumtastic chapter, and it certainly broke something lol Fujimoto pushing even further beyond what's possible in SJ and unironically was a great chapter

  • @OhNoItsBo
    @OhNoItsBo Місяць тому +3

    videos like these are why you will always be my favorite creator to cover CSM. keep up the good work!
    honestly i half expected her to cut it off and turn it into a weapon

  • @ChimeraLotietheBunny
    @ChimeraLotietheBunny Місяць тому +1

    This just hits deep with the new chapter and after another channel analyzing Denji as a character

  • @blckorb6322
    @blckorb6322 Місяць тому +1

    I never thought they would make the reference to that one scene…. But here we are

  • @remudalxl2413
    @remudalxl2413 Місяць тому +3

    Peak writing

  • @cyberbullysc
    @cyberbullysc Місяць тому +11

    WOOO OH YEAH BABY THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

  • @stopmotionmaker6222
    @stopmotionmaker6222 Місяць тому +1

    I wasn't keeping up with Chainsaw Man but this just popped up, I'm at a loss for words.

  • @ARandomEliatrope
    @ARandomEliatrope Місяць тому

    opening this video with "Well that happened" is so funny LMAO

  • @axeljejeje5294
    @axeljejeje5294 Місяць тому +15

    Denji will feel good after this and will want more/take it to the next level. People crying about Denji and how would feel do not really get his character at all, not even yourself. Fumiko herself did something similar, go check out how traumatized denji was

  • @Thesleepytimes
    @Thesleepytimes Місяць тому +12

    My problem with this chapter isn’t Fujimoto(although I have several other problems with that man), it’s with the CSM community. Because there is a sizable amount of men in this fanbase that can’t handle depictions of Male SA victims properly. I’ve seen way too many people say that this chapter was a win for Denji when this is the third time in the series where he has been SA’d. And it kinda makes it hard to be in this community when you know there’s people who’re so disgusting about how the series treats Denji.

    • @cokesucker9520
      @cokesucker9520 Місяць тому

      I think the issue is that SA implies more than what actually happened.

    • @spoofs974
      @spoofs974 Місяць тому

      That's the anime/manga community as a whole alot of people have porn brain even the writers

    • @justinmccluney8962
      @justinmccluney8962 Місяць тому +2

      I totally agree with you on all that but I do think that Denji wanted it when Yoru started kissing him. Not that that just makes jt okay tho for her to do that to him with no consent ☠️

    • @3self
      @3self Місяць тому +1

      This situation isn’t black and white and is more complicated. Of course people differ in opinion. Like Denji going back in for a kiss, may cause some reader to feel conflicted

    • @BeansLive567
      @BeansLive567 Місяць тому +1

      this is reminding me of berserk when there are still idiots on the community saying "griffith did nothing wrong" or "casca enjoyed it" and im like oh yeah history is repeating itself once again.

  • @sleepylady2723
    @sleepylady2723 27 днів тому +1

    a new core memory for our little denis

  • @merpderpyerp
    @merpderpyerp 27 днів тому

    Can I get a sparknotes of the main idea? I follow but it’s complex and I haven’t read the whole thing. Just looking for a dry way of saying what war’s internal struggle is in relation to the duality you/he/this UA-camr were/was explaining

  • @Bkr0507
    @Bkr0507 Місяць тому +4

    I will continue reading but I’ve been in full belief since the start of part 2 that the story had fell off and fujimoto had already made a 8 - 9/10 manga with pt 1, pt 2 hasn’t shown me its purpose to exist yet, the ending to part 1 was perfect imo and I would’ve been find with the open endedness of the new control devil Nayuta. I hope the death devil will be cool and reignite my interest for the story.

    • @StrayTato
      @StrayTato Місяць тому

      Fujimoto envisioned Chainsaw Man in 3 acts. So I would say Pt 2 definitely has a direction.

    • @Bkr0507
      @Bkr0507 Місяць тому +2

      @@StrayTato 3 acts would indicate different parts of a whole, I felt and I think most fans agree that part 1 was a fully realized story by itself, if there is really a part 3 after this then I definitely think Fujimoto is milking the story. In regards to how part 2 has been I like Asa and Denji’s dynamic and his relationship with Nayuta but the chainsaw man church arc was genuinely all over the place and I didn’t like it more than a single arc from part 1, the other new characters aren’t charming at all, Hoshida is decent everyone else I really don’t care at all about, well Katana Man is kinda funny but I have no idea what the direction is with his character lol.

    • @StrayTato
      @StrayTato Місяць тому

      @Bkr0507 Naw I don't think so. I think act 3 might be about an adult Denji. Maybe the whole core of the story is about following Denji in different phases of his life. I'm enjoying the ride.

    • @Jesus.christ.your.bro.
      @Jesus.christ.your.bro. Місяць тому +1

      @@Bkr0507part 3 could just be a new story with Denji I could imagine it like season 2 of Vinland saga cus realistically I see part 2 ending horribly like everyone dying and then it’s a complete tone shift in the story considering pt2 has been way more lighthearted

  • @mydigitalwasteland
    @mydigitalwasteland Місяць тому

    took a break from watching sufferents but WE BACK BABY YEAAAAHHHH

  • @braindeadborgerboi8736
    @braindeadborgerboi8736 Місяць тому

    I just want to know what the conversation with Fujimoto and his editor was like. That shit had to be comedy gold

  • @hudibaba
    @hudibaba Місяць тому +2

    8:25 that transition is so foul XD

  • @odievillanueva9733
    @odievillanueva9733 Місяць тому

    Man the amout of meme clip in the intro is absurd 😅. Nice video though

  • @warlockholmes
    @warlockholmes Місяць тому +1

    Switching out and seeing nut on your hand gotta be the most disturbing thing in this entire chapter.

  • @tobiferrer2339
    @tobiferrer2339 28 днів тому

    Can't wait for "that" scene to be animated..

  • @MackEZ_
    @MackEZ_ Місяць тому

    No because I think you actually figured it out. That's such a cool analysis of the character that I didn't see until now

  • @rarebarney5681
    @rarebarney5681 Місяць тому

    yeah, when the scars went away, I was like ohh the scars are gone but the eyes are the same