Ken Wilber on the Difference Between Human and Artificial Intelligence

This is a small compilation of some of Ken Wilbers views on Artificial Intelligence expressed throughout the years. Given a paninteriorist assumption consciousness resides and coarises within the interiors of organic holons starting with the smallest atoms. Conscious creatures like humans got to enjoy their being and awareness as the result of millions of years of biological evolution. According to this view consciousness is in the cells and an emergent property of countless layers of organic tissues stacked on top and prehending each other. Computers and the Artificial Intelligence programs that operate on their chips lack this layered biological prehension. So whatever AI is gonna turn out to be it most likely will be alien from any other type of intelligence we find on planet earth.
All three segments are form Integrallife.com
Part one is from a presentation titled "The Future of Artificial Intelligence" from September 16, 2015
Part two is a conversation titled "Taking the Long View: Immortality and the Technological Singularity" from October 5, 2011
Part three is from a dialogue with Jim Garrison titled "The State of the World 2017: The Wake of Trump" from February 1, 2017
For a speculative conversation on the possible spiritual future of artificial intelligence you can listen to a dialogue between Kevin Kelly and Ken Wilber here:
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[@johnbrown4568]

Ken here is at the top of his “game”

[@bruhmoment3731]

This is great! Thank you for posting this

[@elplanetadorado]

Thank you for posting this.

[@squamish4244]

The last contribution to this is from the beginning of 2017, which misses a lot of the rapid developments in the field of AI over the last six years. I think something should be posted that includes what has happened in the last year or so, as AI has progressed faster than anyone imagined, and is poised to progress far, far more in the next five or six years.

[@imverydeadd]

there are people that and second -order and barred eith a quantum wall and those will go down with the ais

[@multiphilification]

I do think that AI intelligence may be fundamentally different to human intelligence but I find Ken's argument here bizarre. No quarks, atoms, molecules etc in AI computers? Then what exactly are they made of? And regarding AI not being able to pick things up: ua-cam.com/video/mWEd-IeFR5E/v-deo.html

[@leondrago]

He gave the context. He was saying that they did not evolve so they do not contain the integration of complexity. In a computer or AI system of computers and software, Its quarks did not arranged themselves then gave rise to atoms (emergence), atoms did not arranged themselves and then eventually gave rise to molecules (emergence again, the newly complexification of matter contains the previous in an integrated way. So on and so forth til the arrival of life, eventually humans. Thus, human intelligence is not just rational intelligence but it is an integration of all the complexification that came before it. Michael levin expands on some of this, he is not connected to wilber, Levin is on the vanguard of the intelligence of biological systems not just of the rational mind. Computers of course are made of quarks, atoms, molecules, but not in an evolved self regulating integrated way like with animals and thus are a different kind of intelligence, an alien sort of intelligence from the point of view of evolved organisms.

[@multiphilification]

​@@leondrago except it is not true that a computer does not contain the integration of complexity. a computer consists of layer after layer after layer of complexity, each layer building further complexity from the previous layer. there's even a parallels between how in humans, the layers become more abstract at the top of the holarchy (e.g. show up as developmental stages) and how in computers, the upper layers are more abstract in the sense that they are software rather than hardware. a computer really is quite a good example of a holarchy.

[@leondrago]

@@multiphilification no it does not it skips layers because it was made by humans thats the whole point he was explaining, and the current AI would just argue without real understanding like in the above paragraph

[@multiphilification]

​@@leondrago it is true to say that the holonic layers in a computer came about through human agency rather than by their own agency, but it is not true to say that a computer "skips layers" or say is not a holarchy and not at each level operating as an integration of the previous level.
to clarify: i'm not trying to say that computers and humans are the exact same sort of thing, they very clearly aren't. i do not believe a computer has an interiority, for example. they have a 3rd person dimension but no 1st or 2nd person dimension.
but we need to be very clear what the differences are and what they are not. i don't think ken is clear on that, and i'm not sure you are either.
if you are not familiar with how computers are constructed i'd recommend studying electronic engineering and the constituent building blocks of computers, you'll learn how a computer as a holarchy has many, many layers and how each layer of the computer holarchy emerged sequentially in time, starting with the most fundamental and moving towards the most significant (another attribute they share with humans)

[@leondrago]

@@multiphilification this is how AI argues, no real understanding