I don't think that the Qur'an is to be interpreted with the abrogation method as some people imply. One verse doesn't and cannot abrogate the other, instead one verse explains and helps to connect the dots in the Qur'an. If one verse contradicts the other it doesn't mean that it is to be abrogated, rather there's an error in your methodology that makes you think that it contradicts the other verses, but it doesn't. For example, GOD in the Qur'an says that: 1) GOD doesn't wrong any soul at all [4:40] 2) GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7] 3) Whoever wants to believe, let him believe [18:29]. But in numerous other verses, GOD says that he has power over all things: [2:284] [3:26] [9:39] [67:1]. Does that mean GOD approves of evil and it abrogates the other verses? No. The phrase "GOD has power over all things" simply means that there's no realm where you may desire and pursue corruption and you will not be recompensed for what your hands have set forth. GOD clearly doesn't approve of immorality: [7:28] [17:32]. And GOD knows best.
If you still interpret the Qur'an with that scholarly approved abrogation method (approved by certain factions of scholars), then you have to accept that the GOD of the Vedas is the one true GOD and the only one worthy of worship. Because he says in [RIG VEDA, 10:48, 5] that he is the revealer of true knowledge that is eternal and therefore cannot be abrogated. If you think that the GOD of the Qur'an revealed knowledge that can be abrogated by another flow of true knowledge, then you are basically implying that the GOD of the Qur'an is a Demiurge God and not one true GOD who can only reveal true and eternal knowledge (astagfirullah). It's the question of truth and falsehood, so you cannot be in ᵈᵉⁿⁱᵃˡ at this point. May GOD guide us to the true understanding of the Qur'an free from others' forcefully imposed interpretation.
Salaams, brother Paul, and thank you. This was an excellent listen. Growing up in Dublin in a very roman Catholic family and at school, which was run by the church, we were taught to fear god and given no explanations. I was terrified of the imagery in our local church, which was massive, like a cathedral. I would have nightmares as a child about those idols. I was more scared of god than the devil !
Good topic, and should be directed to those in doubts whether Allah exists. They see good and bad things happening especially sickness and death, over which they have no control. Yet they refused to submit to the Person Who has control.
اللهم صل على محمد و على ال محمد كما صليت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم و بارك على محمد و على ال محمد كما باركت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم في العالمين انك حميد مجيد
The fact that someone would ask this question is because their fitrah naturally and automatically believes not only in the existence of God but also attributes Goodness to Him as opposed to evil. Even though He, in His infinite wisdom created evil as a means of test for humanity in this worldly realm.
Thank you brother Paul for bringing this subject to our attention. Also I love books 🤣. On a related note to the discussion, the reason for our existence is tied in to it to some extent. It would be very hard to understand the intention or purpose of our existence if you don’t accept the Islamic frame of mind of life after death. Once you’ve understood it, it’s very liberating and every suffering is a blessing. I can write extensively of how everything is interconnected and how even hatred is a pointless emotion that you should do away with since it only stains your soul. We can all benefit from having a stroll and contemplate about this matter especially the feelings of gratitude and how every evil may assist you in having a greater clarity of what is good. 🤣
Good and bad things can happen if a all powerful and all loving god doesn't exist, but evil cannot exist if there exists a god that is all powerful and all loving
Very well discussion, indeed. Allah SWT is Invisible, but Real, in times of things happening beyond our control and capability to do so. Yet, to Allah SWT we always seek and request for helps, and that, certainly under His consent, whether He will help or change it into something else, which is way better than we never thought before... Wallahu'alam bi Shawab.
Since humans have free will it is their mischievous behavior that leads to the bad things .......there is good,bad,punishment, reward and free will...it is not a loose party here....
Salaam! 36:36 everything created in pairs. The law of opposites, ying and yang, etc. In regards to qadar, there is a tradition that goes, " a person asked Ali (R.A.) explain our relationship to qadar! Ali( R.A.) said, lift your right leg and hold that position, now raise your left leg, our free will is in between that"! So humans have free will within boundaries of Allah's creational process! Quran states whatever good happens to you is from Allah, whatever evil happens to you is because of what your own hands have brought upon yourself! We have Dunya and Akhirah, and the Believers are taught to use the Dunya to aquire success in the Akhirah. Success and failure are what Allah has established! Allah knows best!
@@redbeardandfriends The true dichotomy lies in the test: some are tested through perseverance, enduring trials and hardships, while others are tested through gratitude, navigating abundance and blessings
@@redbeardandfriends agreed partly... it does come as a package deal in free will but one is not relative to the other... evil can be relative to other evil but not to good... thats why we have objective good and bad... gradadation within one side being relative is understandable like unaliving someone vs cutting in a queue.. both bad but one is worse... on the other hand saving someone from drowning vs giving good advise...both good but one is far better... but if you compare giving good advise to cutting in line...theres no relativism ...one is clearly objectively good and the other is not
As salmi ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatu I think a better term for what you’re looking for is actually in the Qur’an found in Surah Rahman and the concept is of course found all throughout Islam called Mizan(balance)
The answer is clear in Quran. This life is a test, and you as the one taking the test, must answer all sorts of question and pass all sorts of challenges. Whether it's easy, or difficult. The test i.e the challenge must be passed. These stuff? Are the difficult questions.
I understand what you are getting at, but the problem of evil is a lot more nuanced and complicated than what you are making it out to be. Consider a tsunami that wipes out a city. Who is that a test for? People are swiftly killed and taken away in an instant. How could this be a just test? We can also consider a situation aside from human suffering. What about animals? Lets say an animal in the woods gets a sick or hurt and undergoes immense pain for the rest of its life. Unlike a human, the animal isn't even able to understand why it's hurt. It has to just endure the suffering with no clue as to why. So I ask you, who is this a test for?
@@Iraniansunnimuslim Exactly but people like to overcomplicate things and some people outright deny that life is a test by denying free will, for example: Atheists, Calvinists (Those who follow John Calvin's faction of Christianity), and certain people among the Atharis etc. Even though the answers are clear in the Qur'an, Torah [rather what we have of the Torah], and other such scriptures (only if you interpret them methodologically). And even if they disbelieve in GOD's books, the answers are clear by Fitrah [innate disposition] and by observing things around us. As the Qur'an says, "Humanity is in dispute about most things" may GOD guide us.
Thank you for this stimulating discussion. I think a common definition of evil is what intentionally causes suffering. Surely there are instances of imposing suffering in causes seen as righteous, such as in war. But it is still evil.
Shaheed Ayatullah Morteza Mutahairi in his famous book " Adel Elahi ( Divine Justice) addressed this topic of Evil. I think he took the position Evil did not exist it was absence of good. I need to recheck
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 78: "When something good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but when something evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Both have been destined by Allah.” So what is the matter with these people? They can hardly comprehend anything!" Dr Mustafa Khattab
When "evil" is discussed when it relates to God and why God is being "put to question" for the existence of evil, humans do not have the right to rephrase the question over and over to make it look like evil pertains to them and what they think "evil" is. If evil is put to question, then it should go along the lines of "what does God define evil as" rather than " what do humans define it as". Humans are subjective, every concept and every definition works individually to each one of them. To God, however, every concept is generic and applies to everything - we are all creatures of Him, nothing is exclusive. Evil is not what you define it as, it is what God defines it as. Otherwise, your whole discussion makes no difference, you're just listing new understandings of evil and how it is contemporarily - it is not the absolute truth.
thats my thinking too... although id correct you by saying that its not these gentlemen questioning God its the non believers... when you make dawah to such people, questions like these can genuinely come up and you need to be able to answer them. The whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... its a problem for us sure but its not a problem that negates God's existence... its simply a tool with which non believers and believers are seperated... free will gives us the choice between good and evil...those that choose good when through trials and tribulations win and vice versa... its simple and elegant... but of course in practice its extremely difficult... hence the people that win(monineen) have such high ranks
All Action has a REACTION You REAP WHAT YOU SOW. It’s the Universal Law. If you hate Others, Others will hate you, If you will Kill others Others will kill you. IF you Commit Atrocities to others OTHERS will do the Same . If You care for Others Others will care directly or Indirectly for you and your family. If you Treat Others Kindly OTHERS will Treat you and your family kindly wherever they may be living. If You Help others Others will help you and your Family. And if You are Celebrating their Misery then EVERY ACTION has a REACTION.
Allah says in the Quran : ِAnd of all things, we created two mates. ومن كل شيئ خلقنا زوجين اثنين لعلكم تذكرون - الذاريات - 49 So Allah created male and female, light and darkness, heat and coldness, goodness and evil, and so on. In fact, we will never know the value of goodness if we did not undergo evil, we will never appreciate health if we did not encounter sickness and so on. So, if we think profoundly, evil and goodness are interconnected in an indirect way, and the task of Shariaa is not to cut this interconnection, no, it is to display it in a plain way so, we can avoid evil and cling to goodness. On the other hand, if there is no evil or bad attributes in this world, there is no meaning at all for creating human beings and sending prophets and establishing the judgment day. Any human being asks this question then he must have a major crack in his faith.
"you and all of your descendents shall die: some later and some during their infancy years, mostly in horrific ways, because you have eaten the fruit that I specifically told you not to eat when you have no understanding of anything" ahh vibes
wouldn’t evil be simply willful disobedience to God. Like the theme of the Quran for the mujrrmuns evil deeds made fair seeming to them, they willfully disobey Allah(SWT) and they see no issue with it. not sin necessarily because we have been told that we will sin because we’re not perfect but the command of God for us in this situation is repentance so now we’re submitting our will again. If God sent us commands through revelation via prophets and the commands are for our own individual and societal benefit in this life and the next then evil would be willfully disobeying those commands to your own detriment by making the punishment justified against you. Allahu ‘Alim
let's see if this meets Occam's razor: God created a world with physical laws and put man (and jinn, previously) in it for test of who lives a moral life. Sometimes God will put us to test and sometimes the actions of others will test us. It is all about test. And no injustice will be allowed to persist on the judgement day.
Isn't coming into existence once the greatest crime? Even if you are a very good Muslim you cannot escape death, the apocalypse, and the troubles of the day of judgement. All good things are temporary, at the end great absence and death will catch everything. How a human can be happy knowing that? I am looking at the sky, trees and only seeing death. Because existence of them is only for a little moment, like us.
There will be children that dies before the age of maturity and then gets tested in the afterlife. So there are unnecessary suffering for those that do not get tested in this life meaning evil is not justified by this life being a test.
great discussion as always... though i do not agree with everything exactly as discussed... like us creating evil with our intention and not Allah is simply taking away from His Almight's power...not only by transitive property did Allah create it ... evil simply has a purpose in the big picture...it is a test for mankind (granted a very severe one at that but a test all the same) ...the whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... there is no problem of evil in that it negates Gods existence... its simply a product of free will... choose to do good with it if you must...but of course evil will still exist because we arent in Paradise ...This life is supposed to have both as a test... You see evil you crush it with force or at least find it bad in your heart which is the lowest form of "emaan"... evil is a tool and a product of free will just like good is... and evil has a purpose just like good does... the purpose of freewill is simple... differentiation between believers and non believers... simple and elegant really...harsh in reality but still a pretty simple explanation for the existence of evil ...trials tribulations that we call evil are simply as sieve through which Momineen are sift and seperated from the weak of faith... evil is fought either with sword or with tawakkul(unwavering reliance in God) of course evil can dress up as money wealth and power and also as poverty pestilence and war... both ends of the spectrum can be equally devastating and efficient in sifting the real believers from the weak or non believers... May Allah guide us all Keep up the good work Mr. Williams. Love the discussions you have on here.❤💫
Somebody explain to me why innocent children in Gaza are dying under the rubble of their bombed out houses? What is the divine purpose of their suffering? It can't be because God is testing their faith. They are too young to even know what it means to have faith. So how does Naz Hassan explain the divine purpose of their suffering?
they know...as harsh as the realities of war are we dont let it waver our faith...my kin suffers from similar tribulations in Kashmir... we dont let it waver our faith... screaming at God does nothing but make you the loser...those children will get high ranks in afterlife and those inflicting such horrific crimes on them will receive divine retribution... children dying in warzones in a test of faith on everybody else if not on them(if they are too young) ... does it give us enough of a push to step into the warzone to help them? does it give us enough guts to send our sons to their aid? as harsh as it is..this is how freewill works...monsters use it for evil and even little kids in Gaza or Kashmir suffering thrrough war know they will be granted their share in good in the eternal afterlife and have their retribution
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman It's not as if all the children who died before they reach the age of maturity will immediately go to heaven: no they will be tested and a significant portion of them will go to hell.
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman Are you telling me as far as the children are concerned, their suffering is for the purpose of getting "high ranks in afterlife"? So you're suggesting their suffering is actually a blessing. We all should be grateful to God for their suffering because they will get "high ranks in afterlife". Is that it? Did I understand you correctly?
God did not tell Abraham to sacrifice his son, God showed him a dream in which he was sacrificing his son. Abraham took that as a command to sacrifice him, but God did not command him to do it. Dreams have interpretations.
@@Drigger95 Well, God says to Abraham "you believed the dream?" in the Quran. So, maybe he did misinterpret the dream and thought that it was a command from God. Why is that funny? I don't understand.
If God exists, why bad thing happen? Paradoxal? 3.Āli 'Imrān : 182 ذَٰلِكَ بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ لَيْسَ بِظَلَّامٍ لِلْعَبِيدِ "... realy it wasn't Allaah, with darkness (persecution) for His servant" For Western, mostly. The view about God is oftenly seeing by Christianity doctrine perspective, i.e. by incarnation/tajassud تجسد. This also did by Wahhabism viewed about God, i.e. by the monotheism philoshopy or called at-tawhiid التوحيد. In Islam, there are three mentions lay to divinity: Allaah, Ilaah and Robb. Ilaah actualy talking the perspective og God for His grants for praising and God from the view of obeying. Ilaah worthies to Theos meaning and God, to Deus meaning. And Allaah itself, can't found its equivalency with specific word of other religions or languages. Allaah should exists as BEING (monotheism based on Supreme Being beliefs). So, Allaah, which understood as BEING, is there, placed outside human itself. By that, can't we change our perspective from monotheism to monism concept?. Remember, Allaah in Islam, doesn't same to Allah in Christianity which Is match to Robb or God. Monism as same as al-waahidiyah الواحدية and the basic of its divinity is panentheism. You may refers to the Ibn 'Arabi understanding. I give an example: If the mountain erupted, did by who? Allaah or the mountain itself. Monotheism will saying it by 2 materialism object as doer and became Theism. Refers to Dualism, 2 substances, there are 2 object, God aand creature. But d'you know that Allaah's mention wasn't "noun" but mashdar/source. This mashdar had Names built as nouns as objects. Allaah can't stays INSIDE universes, but Robb may to did it, like He goes down at last of one third of night (hadith). This phrase scattered here and there in Islamic main sacred sources....
If there was no god then there would be no good or bad things. Things would just happen. There would be no inherent meaning in things. Which is why we talk of good and bad things precisely because there is a god. I hope that answers your question.
@@prestonbacchus4204 Objectively nothing would be good or bad without God. Meaning will be entirely subjective, personally constructed. Cancer will be bad because you would consider it to be bad. Not because there was something inherently bad about cancer.
@@aanakrukavi Can you and your lord Richard Dawkins even deal with the IS-OUGHT problem to begin with, that you are talking about the problem of evil?
Because he created a world where half of all children die. Luckily we humans created a world where only 1 in every 25 children needs to die. God created hell, humans turned hell into heaven in the last century.
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Mr. Williams always shouts out authors and books he reads from or bases his video on. he hismelf isn't making money from any sales. And just to further make your comment ridiculous many are from non muslim authors.
You don't have to buy the book. In fact, if you want, I'll send you one for free. I know the author personally. He has a 9-5 job. He honestly doesn't care if you buy his book or not.
@@TaiguRyu You posted a negative comment without even watching what the guest was here to discuss. Yet on another video you judged others for liking the video before watching it in full. Being this cynical can’t be healthy.
Assallamu alaikum, Bad things happen because humans don't follow Allahs guidance. "If something good comes to you, it is from Allah, and if something bad happens to you, blame no one but youself" HOLY QURAN
Because satan also exists and given respite till the day of judgememt. He is eternally damned and very envious of human being. Pain and suffering exist because of tribulations from Allah. And most evil thing is Godlessness /worshipping false God, many dont realise this.
I don't think that the Qur'an is to be interpreted with the abrogation method as some people imply. One verse doesn't and cannot abrogate the other, instead one verse explains and helps to connect the dots in the Qur'an. If one verse contradicts the other it doesn't mean that it is to be abrogated, rather there's an error in your methodology that makes you think that it contradicts the other verses, but it doesn't. For example, GOD in the Qur'an says that: 1) GOD doesn't wrong any soul at all [4:40]
2) GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7] 3) Whoever wants to believe, let him believe [18:29]. But in numerous other verses, GOD says that he has power over all things: [2:284] [3:26] [9:39] [67:1]. Does that mean GOD approves of evil and it abrogates the other verses? No. The phrase "GOD has power over all things" simply means that there's no realm where you may desire and pursue corruption and you will not be recompensed for what your hands have set forth. GOD clearly doesn't approve of immorality: [7:28] [17:32]. And GOD knows best.
If you still interpret the Qur'an with that scholarly approved abrogation method (approved by certain factions of scholars), then you have to accept that the GOD of the Vedas is the one true GOD and the only one worthy of worship. Because he says in [RIG VEDA, 10:48, 5] that he is the revealer of true knowledge that is eternal and therefore cannot be abrogated. If you think that the GOD of the Qur'an revealed knowledge that can be abrogated by another flow of true knowledge, then you are basically implying that the GOD of the Qur'an is a Demiurge God and not one true GOD who can only reveal true and eternal knowledge (astagfirullah). It's the question of truth and falsehood, so you cannot be in ᵈᵉⁿⁱᵃˡ at this point. May GOD guide us to the true understanding of the Qur'an free from others' forcefully imposed interpretation.
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Salaams, brother Paul, and thank you. This was an excellent listen. Growing up in Dublin in a very roman Catholic family and at school, which was run by the church, we were taught to fear god and given no explanations. I was terrified of the imagery in our local church, which was massive, like a cathedral. I would have nightmares as a child about those idols. I was more scared of god than the devil !
I am your sister from Gaza 🇵🇸 I ask you to pray for us,..
Sister you are in our prayers and thoughts forever and ever.May Allah be with you.🤲
May allah protect all gaza brother and our sister Ameen🇵🇰
Allah is always with u all over there sister. The land of the martyrs. Loving Filistin 🇲🇾
إن شاء الله سينتصر المسلمون
اللهم انصر غزة واهل غزة
Mashaallah, Dr Shadee what a great surprise. These kind of conversations always humbles me. Subhanallah,,how majestic it is our Creator.
Yo, Naz is a presenter now. What a glow up.
Mashallah, Naz!
That’s a valid question if you asked it in our permanent abode in Paradise…but in our temporary life of trials and tests, it should be expected
Good topic, and should be directed to those in doubts whether Allah exists. They see good and bad things happening especially sickness and death, over which they have no control. Yet they refused to submit to the Person Who has control.
And who's that person?
اللهم صل على محمد و على ال محمد كما صليت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم و بارك على محمد و على ال محمد كما باركت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم في العالمين انك حميد مجيد
The fact that someone would ask this question is because their fitrah naturally and automatically believes not only in the existence of God but also attributes Goodness to Him as opposed to evil. Even though He, in His infinite wisdom created evil as a means of test for humanity in this worldly realm.
Allah has given us the ability to do good or evil, it’s up to us to choose which route we take hence he created haven & hell.
Thank you brother Paul for bringing this subject to our attention. Also I love books 🤣.
On a related note to the discussion, the reason for our existence is tied in to it to some extent. It would be very hard to understand the intention or purpose of our existence if you don’t accept the Islamic frame of mind of life after death.
Once you’ve understood it, it’s very liberating and every suffering is a blessing. I can write extensively of how everything is interconnected and how even hatred is a pointless emotion that you should do away with since it only stains your soul.
We can all benefit from having a stroll and contemplate about this matter especially the feelings of gratitude and how every evil may assist you in having a greater clarity of what is good. 🤣
I am from Kashmir(India).Need prays...
Kashmir bny ga Pakistan ❤
Indian occupied*
May Allah bring ease in your life
It's thesame to ask
If God dint exist why are good things happening
Good and bad things can happen if a all powerful and all loving god doesn't exist, but evil cannot exist if there exists a god that is all powerful and all loving
Very well discussion, indeed. Allah SWT is Invisible, but Real, in times of things happening beyond our control and capability to do so. Yet, to Allah SWT we always seek and request for helps, and that, certainly under His consent, whether He will help or change it into something else, which is way better than we never thought before... Wallahu'alam bi Shawab.
Because Man exists...free will !
Great topic. Desperate to buy the book.
For atheists
They used to ask such question
Since humans have free will it is their mischievous behavior that leads to the bad things .......there is good,bad,punishment, reward and free will...it is not a loose party here....
Salaam! 36:36 everything created in pairs. The law of opposites, ying and yang, etc. In regards to qadar, there is a tradition that goes, " a person asked Ali (R.A.) explain our relationship to qadar! Ali( R.A.) said, lift your right leg and hold that position, now raise your left leg, our free will is in between that"! So humans have free will within boundaries of Allah's creational process! Quran states whatever good happens to you is from Allah, whatever evil happens to you is because of what your own hands have brought upon yourself! We have Dunya and Akhirah, and the Believers are taught to use the Dunya to aquire success in the Akhirah. Success and failure are what Allah has established! Allah knows best!
it is less about opposites and more about complementary.
@AbidNasim However you want to categorize it, the bottom line is that it comes as a package ( so to speak) one is relative to the other !
@@redbeardandfriends The true dichotomy lies in the test: some are tested through perseverance, enduring trials and hardships, while others are tested through gratitude, navigating abundance and blessings
@@redbeardandfriends agreed partly... it does come as a package deal in free will but one is not relative to the other... evil can be relative to other evil but not to good... thats why we have objective good and bad...
gradadation within one side being relative is understandable like unaliving someone vs cutting in a queue.. both bad but one is worse...
on the other hand saving someone from drowning vs giving good advise...both good but one is far better...
but if you compare giving good advise to cutting in line...theres no relativism ...one is clearly objectively good and the other is not
As salmi ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatu I think a better term for what you’re looking for is actually in the Qur’an found in Surah Rahman and the concept is of course found all throughout Islam called Mizan(balance)
The answer is clear in Quran.
This life is a test, and you as the one taking the test, must answer all sorts of question and pass all sorts of challenges.
Whether it's easy, or difficult. The test i.e the challenge must be passed.
These stuff? Are the difficult questions.
I understand what you are getting at, but the problem of evil is a lot more nuanced and complicated than what you are making it out to be.
Consider a tsunami that wipes out a city. Who is that a test for? People are swiftly killed and taken away in an instant. How could this be a just test?
We can also consider a situation aside from human suffering. What about animals? Lets say an animal in the woods gets a sick or hurt and undergoes immense pain for the rest of its life. Unlike a human, the animal isn't even able to understand why it's hurt. It has to just endure the suffering with no clue as to why. So I ask you, who is this a test for?
yep ...never understood why people complicate something so simple... esp when theres a very celar answer in Quran...
@@Iraniansunnimuslim Exactly but people like to overcomplicate things and some people outright deny that life is a test by denying free will, for example: Atheists, Calvinists (Those who follow John Calvin's faction of Christianity), and certain people among the Atharis etc. Even though the answers are clear in the Qur'an, Torah [rather what we have of the Torah], and other such scriptures (only if you interpret them methodologically). And even if they disbelieve in GOD's books, the answers are clear by Fitrah [innate disposition] and by observing things around us. As the Qur'an says, "Humanity is in dispute about most things" may GOD guide us.
@@jostnamane3951 Ameen ya rab al-alamin
لا إله إلا الله
lä iläha illä Llah
Thank you for this stimulating discussion. I think a common definition of evil is what intentionally causes suffering. Surely there are instances of imposing suffering in causes seen as righteous, such as in war. But it is still evil.
Jazakallah khayr for this talk. Brother Paul, in addition to this book, what other "problem of evil" books would you recommend?
Shaheed Ayatullah Morteza Mutahairi in his famous book " Adel Elahi ( Divine Justice) addressed this topic of Evil. I think he took the position Evil did not exist it was absence of good. I need to recheck
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 78:
"When something good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but when something evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Both have been destined by Allah.” So what is the matter with these people? They can hardly comprehend anything!"
Dr Mustafa Khattab
When "evil" is discussed when it relates to God and why God is being "put to question" for the existence of evil, humans do not have the right to rephrase the question over and over to make it look like evil pertains to them and what they think "evil" is.
If evil is put to question, then it should go along the lines of "what does God define evil as" rather than " what do humans define it as".
Humans are subjective, every concept and every definition works individually to each one of them.
To God, however, every concept is generic and applies to everything - we are all creatures of Him, nothing is exclusive.
Evil is not what you define it as, it is what God defines it as. Otherwise, your whole discussion makes no difference, you're just listing new understandings of evil and how it is contemporarily - it is not the absolute truth.
thats my thinking too... although id correct you by saying that its not these gentlemen questioning God its the non believers... when you make dawah to such people, questions like these can genuinely come up and you need to be able to answer them.
The whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... its a problem for us sure but its not a problem that negates God's existence... its simply a tool with which non believers and believers are seperated... free will gives us the choice between good and evil...those that choose good when through trials and tribulations win and vice versa... its simple and elegant... but of course in practice its extremely difficult... hence the people that win(monineen) have such high ranks
In metaethics, it is called Devine Command Theory
سبحان الله
When God Said this world is a test and there will be evil tempting them testing them in this world, then of course there will be evil in this world.
All Action has a REACTION
You REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
It’s the Universal Law.
If you hate Others,
Others will hate you,
If you will Kill others
Others will kill you.
IF you Commit Atrocities to others
OTHERS will do the Same .
If You care for Others
Others will care directly or Indirectly for you and your family.
If you Treat Others Kindly
OTHERS will Treat you and your family kindly wherever they may be living.
If You Help others
Others will help you and your Family.
And if You are Celebrating their Misery then EVERY ACTION has a REACTION.
It’s not complicated . Evil arises from the misuse of human freedom.
Authu billahi, "what took them so long?" 57:23 They needed an excuse, and it was provided.
Allah says in the Quran : ِAnd of all things, we created two mates.
ومن كل شيئ خلقنا زوجين اثنين لعلكم تذكرون - الذاريات - 49
So Allah created male and female, light and darkness, heat and coldness, goodness and evil, and so on.
In fact, we will never know the value of goodness if we did not undergo evil, we will never appreciate health if we did not encounter sickness and so on. So, if we think profoundly, evil and goodness are interconnected in an indirect way, and the task of Shariaa is not to cut this interconnection, no, it is to display it in a plain way so, we can avoid evil and cling to goodness.
On the other hand, if there is no evil or bad attributes in this world, there is no meaning at all for creating human beings and sending prophets and establishing the judgment day.
Any human being asks this question then he must have a major crack in his faith.
There is a really obvious answer to this question which, by the way, is also committing the "begging the question" fallacy.
bad things come from disobeying God.man chose to go his own way, make a mess, and now ask this question.
"you and all of your descendents shall die: some later and some during their infancy years, mostly in horrific ways, because you have eaten the fruit that I specifically told you not to eat when you have no understanding of anything" ahh vibes
Its the same as asking why are there good christians jews buddhis hindus aborignees and why good things happen to these people?
wouldn’t evil be simply willful disobedience to God. Like the theme of the Quran for the mujrrmuns evil deeds made fair seeming to them, they willfully disobey Allah(SWT) and they see no issue with it. not sin necessarily because we have been told that we will sin because we’re not perfect but the command of God for us in this situation is repentance so now we’re submitting our will again.
If God sent us commands through revelation via prophets and the commands are for our own individual and societal benefit in this life and the next then evil would be willfully disobeying those commands to your own detriment by making the punishment justified against you. Allahu ‘Alim
let's see if this meets Occam's razor: God created a world with physical laws and put man (and jinn, previously) in it for test of who lives a moral life. Sometimes God will put us to test and sometimes the actions of others will test us. It is all about test. And no injustice will be allowed to persist on the judgement day.
agreed... a simple and elegant method to seperate true believers vs weak of faith
The very fact that Allah is supposedly all powerful makes all of this unnecessary and therefore injustice.
Evil is simply an entity imposing its will on other entities.
Isn't coming into existence once the greatest crime? Even if you are a very good Muslim you cannot escape death, the apocalypse, and the troubles of the day of judgement. All good things are temporary, at the end great absence and death will catch everything. How a human can be happy knowing that? I am looking at the sky, trees and only seeing death. Because existence of them is only for a little moment, like us.
Cause this life is an test.
There will be children that dies before the age of maturity and then gets tested in the afterlife. So there are unnecessary suffering for those that do not get tested in this life meaning evil is not justified by this life being a test.
We ask you, dear professor, to receive a famous scholar who works on the statistics of the Holy Quran.
great discussion as always... though i do not agree with everything exactly as discussed...
like us creating evil with our intention and not Allah is simply taking away from His Almight's power...not only by transitive property did Allah create it ... evil simply has a purpose in the big picture...it is a test for mankind (granted a very severe one at that but a test all the same) ...the whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... there is no problem of evil in that it negates Gods existence... its simply a product of free will... choose to do good with it if you must...but of course evil will still exist because we arent in Paradise ...This life is supposed to have both as a test...
You see evil you crush it with force or at least find it bad in your heart which is the lowest form of "emaan"... evil is a tool and a product of free will just like good is... and evil has a purpose just like good does... the purpose of freewill is simple... differentiation between believers and non believers... simple and elegant really...harsh in reality but still a pretty simple explanation for the existence of evil
...trials tribulations that we call evil are simply as sieve through which Momineen are sift and seperated from the weak of faith... evil is fought either with sword or with tawakkul(unwavering reliance in God)
of course evil can dress up as money wealth and power and also as poverty pestilence and war... both ends of the spectrum can be equally devastating and efficient in sifting the real believers from the weak or non believers...
May Allah guide us all
Keep up the good work Mr. Williams. Love the discussions you have on here.❤💫
Because humans exist
If god doesn't exist then why do good things happen.
Good and evil can happen without god, but evil cannot happen with god.
Somebody explain to me why innocent children in Gaza are dying under the rubble of their bombed out houses? What is the divine purpose of their suffering? It can't be because God is testing their faith. They are too young to even know what it means to have faith. So how does Naz Hassan explain the divine purpose of their suffering?
they know...as harsh as the realities of war are we dont let it waver our faith...my kin suffers from similar tribulations in Kashmir... we dont let it waver our faith... screaming at God does nothing but make you the loser...those children will get high ranks in afterlife and those inflicting such horrific crimes on them will receive divine retribution... children dying in warzones in a test of faith on everybody else if not on them(if they are too young) ...
does it give us enough of a push to step into the warzone to help them?
does it give us enough guts to send our sons to their aid? as harsh as it is..this is how freewill works...monsters use it for evil and even little kids in Gaza or Kashmir suffering thrrough war know they will be granted their share in good in the eternal afterlife and have their retribution
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman
It's not a war! Never was a war, and never will be! It's a pure, unadulterated evil!
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman great explanation
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman
It's not as if all the children who died before they reach the age of maturity will immediately go to heaven: no they will be tested and a significant portion of them will go to hell.
@@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman Are you telling me as far as the children are concerned, their suffering is for the purpose of getting "high ranks in afterlife"? So you're suggesting their suffering is actually a blessing. We all should be grateful to God for their suffering because they will get "high ranks in afterlife". Is that it? Did I understand you correctly?
Yet to listen, do they mean recent russian/putin air strikes in Aleppo?
According to the "good book", Yahweh was a warlord. Seems he still is. Isn't war supposed to be bad?
an act in itself is not good or bad. it is the intention behind that action that makes it good or bad. War is the same.
God did not tell Abraham to sacrifice his son, God showed him a dream in which he was sacrificing his son.
Abraham took that as a command to sacrifice him, but God did not command him to do it.
Dreams have interpretations.
So Abraham misinterpreted God and decided to kill his son??? Lol😊
@@Drigger95 Well, God says to Abraham "you believed the dream?" in the Quran.
So, maybe he did misinterpret the dream and thought that it was a command from God.
Why is that funny? I don't understand.
@scholarforpeace which verse are you quoting?
@@Drigger95 Assaffat (37:105)
"Have you believed the dream? This is how we reward those who do good: and then we tributed him a ram."
@@scholarforpeace so... God is rewarding him for misinterpreting the dream and trying to commit murder?
If barbers exist, why do bad hair days happen 😢
If God exists, why bad thing happen? Paradoxal?
3.Āli 'Imrān : 182
ذَٰلِكَ بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ لَيْسَ بِظَلَّامٍ لِلْعَبِيدِ
"... realy it wasn't Allaah, with darkness (persecution) for His servant"
For Western, mostly. The view about God is oftenly seeing by Christianity doctrine perspective, i.e. by incarnation/tajassud تجسد. This also did by Wahhabism viewed about God, i.e. by the monotheism philoshopy or called at-tawhiid التوحيد.
In Islam, there are three mentions lay to divinity: Allaah, Ilaah and Robb. Ilaah actualy talking the perspective og God for His grants for praising and God from the view of obeying. Ilaah worthies to Theos meaning and God, to Deus meaning. And Allaah itself, can't found its equivalency with specific word of other religions or languages. Allaah should exists as BEING (monotheism based on Supreme Being beliefs). So, Allaah, which understood as BEING, is there, placed outside human itself.
By that, can't we change our perspective from monotheism to monism concept?. Remember, Allaah in Islam, doesn't same to Allah in Christianity which Is match to Robb or God. Monism as same as al-waahidiyah الواحدية and the basic of its divinity is panentheism. You may refers to the Ibn 'Arabi understanding.
I give an example:
If the mountain erupted, did by who? Allaah or the mountain itself. Monotheism will saying it by 2 materialism object as doer and became Theism. Refers to Dualism, 2 substances, there are 2 object, God aand creature. But d'you know that Allaah's mention wasn't "noun" but mashdar/source. This mashdar had Names built as nouns as objects. Allaah can't stays INSIDE universes, but Robb may to did it, like He goes down at last of one third of night (hadith). This phrase scattered here and there in Islamic main sacred sources....
There is no god. Now, why do bad things happen?
Late spiritual development bring u here
If there was no god then there would be no good or bad things. Things would just happen. There would be no inherent meaning in things. Which is why we talk of good and bad things precisely because there is a god. I hope that answers your question.
@@stevesmith4901 So, without god, cancer would not be bad?
@@prestonbacchus4204 Objectively nothing would be good or bad without God. Meaning will be entirely subjective, personally constructed. Cancer will be bad because you would consider it to be bad. Not because there was something inherently bad about cancer.
If you believe there's no God, then it's your job to explain why bad things happen@@prestonbacchus4204
When you hear the words of Sufis its time to change the channel.
The only piints that made sense were those of Paul
This talk immediately lowered my IQ by several points.
@@Drigger95
It is! It's stupid to say rape is ordinary! Or a Muslim will never go through hardship! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
Perhaps there was nothing in your brain to begin with 😊
@@sherifayantayo2873
Perhaps you are speaking of yourself!
Completely agree with u. Looks like Echo Chamber discussion.
No 360 degree analysis.
Richard Dawkins has debunked all these Neo Islam Apologetics.
@@aanakrukavi Can you and your lord Richard Dawkins even deal with the IS-OUGHT problem to begin with, that you are talking about the problem of evil?
Because he created a world where half of all children die.
Luckily we humans created a world where only 1 in every 25 children needs to die.
God created hell, humans turned hell into heaven in the last century.
Because we are on earth for a test not to do life things xd
It's like saying o if police exists then why are there still crimes happening 😂😂😂 non Islamic logics breaks the very essence of logic 😂
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According to Qur'an, bad things happens because Quranic ALLAH is testing people with EVILS, Enticements, Afflictions and sufferings.😂😂
of course, god is just a belief
Oh, someone selling a book. What a surprise.
You don’t have to buy it
Mr. Williams always shouts out authors and books he reads from or bases his video on. he hismelf isn't making money from any sales. And just to further make your comment ridiculous many are from non muslim authors.
You don't have to buy the book. In fact, if you want, I'll send you one for free. I know the author personally. He has a 9-5 job. He honestly doesn't care if you buy his book or not.
@@TaiguRyu
You posted a negative comment without even watching what the guest was here to discuss. Yet on another video you judged others for liking the video before watching it in full. Being this cynical can’t be healthy.
@@sammu the hypocrisy 😂
Assallamu alaikum,
Bad things happen because humans don't follow Allahs guidance.
"If something good comes to you, it is from Allah, and if something bad happens to you, blame no one but youself"
HOLY QURAN
Because satan also exists and given respite till the day of judgememt. He is eternally damned and very envious of human being. Pain and suffering exist because of tribulations from Allah. And most evil thing is Godlessness /worshipping false God, many dont realise this.