Frank, I absolutely agree with you in every respect. I am an Anglo/Scot: and proud of my heritage. I object when the 'relativists' try to say my culture is less important than immigrant cultures. Judeo/Christian post-Enlightenment culture is superior to any fundamentalist credo.
frank slater I would also point out that multiculturalism can also make other cultures and ethnicities disappear....which might be the point of all those pushing for mass immigration. In America...like other mostly white countries....many black people have babies with white people....which is fine except if you notice the babies are usually lighter skin than their black parent and other traits are more like white people. Now if that child grows up and has babies with another white person.....that baby will be even lighter skinned...probably almost white....and so on down the line. The black person traits disappear fairly quickly....if everyone in that family continued mating with other white people....probably only a few generations and those traits would be gone....Same with other nationalities. It seems that white traits take over fairly quickly and can wipe out any existence of that other nationality. Now this could be the reason behind pushing for everyone to live in every other country.....thinking that in time....maybe 300-500 years down the road majority of other nationalities would mate with white people and disappear. It was just a thought I had....because otherwise I can't see the reason behind pushing everyone to live together in the same countries. It's ok to have different countries and different nationalities....that's what makes the world "the world". If we all end up the same....that would be so boring. Although I am for eliminating Sharia law. Safety is different.....
I agree with both of you: the danger is that the very 'Judeo/Christian - Post-Enlightenment' culture which attracts people from other lands, WILL disappear under ISLAM. Islam accommodates itself to no other culture: it takes over!
As an Anglo/Scot, and a descendant of families who fought (and died) in both Twentieth Century World Wars, and who can trace his ancestry back much further than our present Hanoverians, just let anyone try to tell me that I do not belong MORE to these British Isles than any immigrant.
If there is no such thing as "Native Briton/Native Irish", then there is also no such thing as "Native American" !! Seems some loony lefties would have us go the same way as the 1st peoples of North America, and live out our days on reservations.
Always wonderful to see nawaz and murray onstage together. Certainly some v. significant differences in their politics but they're both forthright and honourable men.
Maajid Nawaz is a Reformer,historically reformers have always been the strongest of any society. Islam does not have very many strong men,we see this through their inability to protect their women or treat them humanely. Muslim women desperately need their men to be as strong as this man Maajid. Christianity had many strong men who fought for humanity and their women. It is hoped that Islam will produce more Reformers in the coming years and help it out of the dark ages. Islam wonders why the world laughs at it,? well it needs to grow up,the world sees Islam as a child amongst adults.
I think the term 'strong men' is strange in this context. But, I assume you mean 'morally strong' more than anything? Of course, that's also a big problem (in the context that the radical Muslims themselves are deeply moral by their own definition). So, really, what you mean is, 'Western men are Western and non-Western men are not Western enough'. That's clear and there are even clear reasons for it across time. Therefore, your comment is actually a bit silly. There are so many facets and factors here and so much to unpack. A big factor would be the environmental differences between the Middle East and the (far) West.
Maajid and douglas Murray, are totally on point about religion and free speach. I personally don’t believe in any religion, but respect people who have beliefs. The one thing I believe in is my right to disagree
How do you know that the vast majority of muslims don't prey 5 times a day, like genuine question. My experience growing up in the states was quite the opposite and I grew up in a relatively liberal family.
The freedoms to access Video on the media site is making it tough to push the narrative that islam=Peace. Every time a muslims claims the 99% of them are peaceful..... I ask for a list of the nations those 99% live in because i can't see even 1 that is fully secular where all faith are respected and they love the jews and gays . It's pretty tough to hide about 1.2 billion muslims that are the peaceful ones. Forget the saudis, Iraq, Jordan , Egypt . yemen . somalia , qatar , Lebanon , sudan , malaysia, indonesia , india , and so on. maybe there is a town in the USA with 100 muslims where 1 is bad, but the USA only has around 0.006% of all the muslims on Earth , so i won't judge the 99.994% by the action of the 0.006% .
It is unlawful for any race, religion or political system to take over the American Constitution. People say it will be done Democratically. It can't be done democratically if it supersedes American Law by Sharia Law because Sharia Law cannot be elected in a Democracy, because if Sharia because the Law that is it , there is no further Democratic voting. Besides there are a helluva lot of white fools, but not that many.
Nah. That's the kind of talk the extremists love to hear in order to fuel their narrative. They can be free in the West, they just need to accept our laws.
No not for extremists buddy, it is for people with Common Sense. Why in the 21st century is there a Medieval religion stuck in the Medieval past, we in the West have overcome these things a long time ago, so we have the knowledge of overcome this kind of thing now.
Quran vs 9:29 fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor hold that forbidden which hath been by Allah and his messenger nor acknowledge the religion of truth from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jinnah with submission and feel themselves subdued. Quran vs 9:73 O prophet strive hard against the unbelievable and the HYPOCRITES and unyielding to them Quran verse48:29 Muhammad is the messenger of allah and those who are with him are serve against disbelievers and merciful among themselves 9:123 O you who believe fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. (4) “Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191 (5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4 (6) “When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12 (7) “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34
Hold up, i remember Douglas and Maajid saying that it was 90+% of british Muslims wanted being Gay made illegal... now he says 50%? Which is it? Where are they getting these stats from?
Oh, if only ISLAM could be represented by Raheel and Maajid. Our Western worries would be over.
Frank, I absolutely agree with you in every respect. I am an Anglo/Scot: and proud of my heritage. I object when the 'relativists' try to say my culture is less important than immigrant cultures. Judeo/Christian post-Enlightenment culture is superior to any fundamentalist credo.
frank slater I would also point out that multiculturalism can also make other cultures and ethnicities disappear....which might be the point of all those pushing for mass immigration. In America...like other mostly white countries....many black people have babies with white people....which is fine except if you notice the babies are usually lighter skin than their black parent and other traits are more like white people. Now if that child grows up and has babies with another white person.....that baby will be even lighter skinned...probably almost white....and so on down the line. The black person traits disappear fairly quickly....if everyone in that family continued mating with other white people....probably only a few generations and those traits would be gone....Same with other nationalities. It seems that white traits take over fairly quickly and can wipe out any existence of that other nationality. Now this could be the reason behind pushing for everyone to live in every other country.....thinking that in time....maybe 300-500 years down the road majority of other nationalities would mate with white people and disappear. It was just a thought I had....because otherwise I can't see the reason behind pushing everyone to live together in the same countries. It's ok to have different countries and different nationalities....that's what makes the world "the world". If we all end up the same....that would be so boring. Although I am for eliminating Sharia law. Safety is different.....
I agree with both of you: the danger is that the very 'Judeo/Christian - Post-Enlightenment' culture which attracts people from other lands, WILL disappear under ISLAM. Islam accommodates itself to no other culture: it takes over!
As an Anglo/Scot, and a descendant of families who fought (and died) in both Twentieth Century World Wars, and who can trace his ancestry back much further than our present Hanoverians, just let anyone try to tell me that I do not belong MORE to these British Isles than any immigrant.
If there is no such thing as "Native Briton/Native Irish", then there is also no such thing as "Native American" !!
Seems some loony lefties would have us go the same way as the 1st peoples of North America, and live out our days on reservations.
Always wonderful to see nawaz and murray onstage together. Certainly some v. significant differences in their politics but they're both forthright and honourable men.
Maajid Nawaz is a Reformer,historically reformers have always been the strongest of any society. Islam does not have very many strong men,we see this through their inability to protect their women or treat them humanely. Muslim women desperately need their men to be as strong as this man Maajid. Christianity had many strong men who fought for humanity and their women. It is hoped that Islam will produce more Reformers in the coming years and help it out of the dark ages. Islam wonders why the world laughs at it,? well it needs to grow up,the world sees Islam as a child amongst adults.
The 57 countries in the OIC only account for 22% of American GDP
.Once this raises up to 75% you will see a change.
I think the term 'strong men' is strange in this context. But, I assume you mean 'morally strong' more than anything? Of course, that's also a big problem (in the context that the radical Muslims themselves are deeply moral by their own definition). So, really, what you mean is, 'Western men are Western and non-Western men are not Western enough'. That's clear and there are even clear reasons for it across time. Therefore, your comment is actually a bit silly. There are so many facets and factors here and so much to unpack. A big factor would be the environmental differences between the Middle East and the (far) West.
Not children, jeezus children are innocent these men are monsters
This is the first time I felt Majid Nawaz was speaking with being informed and not a complete ignorant.
Maajid's anecdote about both sides of secularist, and fundamentalist side hating him was very nice.
Maajid and douglas Murray, are totally on point about religion and free speach. I personally don’t believe in any religion, but respect people who have beliefs. The one thing I believe in is my right to disagree
What I like most about all of this is that everyone on the panel still has their sense of humor intact.
Even mentioning "Islam" and "secular" in one line is like Saying Water and fire are synonyms
I like Maajid very much :) I like people who learn, and find and share Peace .
Maajid Nawaz is a fucking hero.
refreshing
I consider myself Left centre wing but Douglas Murray who is right centre out performs everyone
They are troublesome everywhere.
How do you know that the vast majority of muslims don't prey 5 times a day, like genuine question. My experience growing up in the states was quite the opposite and I grew up in a relatively liberal family.
For Muslims a secular society is a target rich environment.
Enlightening.
Once Islam entered the West that was the death knell for Islam
The freedoms to access Video on the media site is making it tough to push the narrative that islam=Peace.
Every time a muslims claims the 99% of them are peaceful..... I ask for a list of the nations those 99% live in because i can't see even 1 that is fully secular where all faith are respected and they love the jews and gays .
It's pretty tough to hide about 1.2 billion muslims that are the peaceful ones. Forget the saudis, Iraq, Jordan , Egypt . yemen . somalia , qatar , Lebanon , sudan , malaysia, indonesia , india , and so on.
maybe there is a town in the USA with 100 muslims where 1 is bad, but the USA only has around 0.006% of all the muslims on Earth , so i won't judge the 99.994% by the action of the 0.006% .
It is unlawful for any race, religion or political system to take over the American Constitution. People say it will be done Democratically. It can't be done democratically if it supersedes American Law by Sharia Law because Sharia Law cannot be elected in a Democracy, because if Sharia because the Law that is it , there is no further Democratic voting. Besides there are a helluva lot of white fools, but not that many.
Nah. That's the kind of talk the extremists love to hear in order to fuel their narrative. They can be free in the West, they just need to accept our laws.
No not for extremists buddy, it is for people with Common Sense. Why in the 21st century is there a Medieval religion stuck in the Medieval past, we in the West have overcome these things a long time ago, so we have the knowledge of overcome this kind of thing now.
That's optimistic. Seems like half the people in the West don't know what's going on.
I.don"t trust any of them because it is permitted in their religion to lie which is called Takiya.
Actually, it's Taqiyya. It is permitted in order to save oneself in a situation of interrogation for example.
I wonder who the Labour politician was? Any clues?
Why did he say that Maajid has memorized a bit of it and then warmet his study of BLABALBALALBALBA ? Showboating of being illiterate . Wow !
I don't see why you'd want to ban the niqab or burqa, Don't you think people should be able to wear what they want.
Then why can't I go naked or women go topless in public??
Yet another case of "Muslim exceptionalism", eh?
The Burqa and Niqab are nothing to do with Islam, they were around long before Islam came along.
SIMPLE SHAF ALL MUSLIM WOMANS BOLD
Islam cannot be reformed, you have the unquestionable word of Allah and the perfect life of Muhammad! Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it!
Perfect life? 😂😂😂
@MrMtube87 It's like admiring Charles Manson.
My hijab smells good
hi-un-dye? it's pronounced like sundae...
Quran vs 9:29 fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor hold that forbidden which hath been by Allah and his messenger nor acknowledge the religion of truth from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jinnah with submission and feel themselves subdued.
Quran vs 9:73 O prophet strive hard against the unbelievable and the HYPOCRITES and unyielding to them
Quran verse48:29 Muhammad is the messenger of allah and those who are with him are serve against disbelievers and merciful among themselves
9:123 O you who believe fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.
(4) “Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191
(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4
(6) “When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12
(7) “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34
How dare you promote secularism in muslims country 🙈🙉🙊
Majid is not a Muslim. He's an atheist actor on a gravy train.
Oi! Part of Christianity is not having the right to burn witches. What a spazim.
Hold up, i remember Douglas and Maajid saying that it was 90+% of british Muslims wanted being Gay made illegal... now he says 50%? Which is it? Where are they getting these stats from?
You are not remembering correctly, 50% of muslims in the UK say that homosexuality should be illegal and over 90% say that it is morally wrong.