I used to be married to a Muslim man and was exposed to that community. Every time I asked (men or women) why the women have to be wearing scarves I got the same answer - For protection. 'Protection from what?', I asked, 'Sun, wind, cold?' No! It is for protection from lustful men! I say:'You have a big problem!'
@@zub41r75 Where are you now Zub? System overload from that "simple minded pagan"? Way to go Satya Murthy Mk. This guy Zub, is reeling from just what his "book" says, imagine if you brought out all the Indian literature! His head will spin in multiple directions at the same time! Lol!
Yeah I find her insufferable when she started vilifying not wearing the hijab and calling it a 'right'... The cognitive dissonance in many muslims is quite sad and I'm glad I got out of that religion albeit a closeted atheist.
@@southernlights3682 said: "Women's hair can also be a symbol of beauty and thus attract lustful Muslim men who have no ability for self-control." Which brings me back to my earlier point: "Why stop at the hijab or burka? Then the men won't see the woman, why not also have them wear permanent gags so their sexy voices can't incite sexual assault? Why not force them to wear metal chastity belts so that they can't be guilty of being raped (how does that logic work anyway)? Why not banish women to a separate females-only part of the country behind massive walls, where men cannot ever enter, except for a sex room to breed with their wives - heck, don't even do that - no contact ever, use artificial insemination, then the men will never see, hear, touch or have anything to do with those women they hate, so they will never be tempted. Problem solved right? All Muslim males happy now?"
she would show her free choise,if he take off her hijab inside,and not wear it everyday-but when she demonstate,how she is wearing that on regular basis,it doesn`t look credible,any prctical reason.
@@MsAmgrace but she's a fashion blogger, don't you know? 🤣😂 and a useful idiot who fills her sentences with 'you know'. She's a fashion blogger dumb bish.
The girl in the middle is defensive. But notice how and why: she is a fashion blogger, from what I understand specifically hijab fashion. She has a financial stake in supporting the hijab. She is deeply ideologically possessed. But she also is financially motivated. That is why she comes across so strident.
Debra Blouin She was so defensive because she was never put herself in the shoes of afghan women, and women in many strict Islamic based countries, let her in that position and let she tell the stories again.
Debra Blouin I also noticed she was, like, quite inarticulate--especially compared to the woman on her right, whose delivery was articulate and even-keel, emotionally speaking.
@@2009walah Let 'her' tell the stories again you mean. Get your vocab. together if you want to comment. PS:The hijab is primative, oppressive bullshit. Abolish it now!
Dan Flynn Ex-ACTLY. One woman is speaking in calm, measured tones while the other girl is speaking rapid fire in a voice shaking with emotion. Coincidence?
As an Iranian, I am embarrassed by this "hijabi" Iranian girl who is just confrontational whereas Asra Nomani is so calm and collected and argues point by point. That Iranian girl should be ashamed of herself as she is supporting a culture that is oppressing her sisters in Iran.
She's young and full of fire. It's ok. Remember when you were in your early 20s and thought you knew things? I wasn't too bad but there were times when I look back and know I had a lot of energy and thought I had wisdom where I was out of my place really. Hey cheers to you and Iranians , you have a fun and lively people and culture. Sorry bout the cia and the Shah. I hope one day you'll be free of religious extremists
@@stnln2180 the cia put the shah on the throne. He was the USA puppet. The cia didn't get rid of him and where do you get marxists toppling his regime? If Marxists toppled the shah then Marxists would've taken the reigns of power. Who did? The religious extremists. The ayatollahs. Where do you get Marxists? You can't blame them for everything. And the shah was horrible. Murders torture, the cia has acted like the Gestapo at times.the worst Marxists are here in the USA. And they act more like Stalinists then Marxists even
@@matthewguzda4075 Well.... don't forget that behind the Iranian Revolution was coalition of anti Shah forces. Marxists were important part of the coalition. In addition Western Leftists were very sympathetic toward Khomenei when he was forced to move to France Leftist media provided for him very enthusiastic coverage. BBC immediately put Khomeini into the spotlight. He rapidly became a household name in the west, portraying himself as an "Eastern mystic" who did not seek power, but instead sought to "free" his people from "oppression". The normally critical western media rapidly became a docile tool in Khomeini's hands. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
Vidar Odinsson I disagree, the debate is fine despite the obnoxious bitch, I'd ignore her stupid remarks she clearly hates America, why doesn't she go back to live in iran?
jay tee You got me, because she likes all the things we kafir have invented? No seriously because her brain is scrambled by a mohammedan upbringing. Part of that is to have contempt for non muslims which she is unable to suppress in this situation.
She is exactly the right age where muslim elders complete their brain washing techniques. A young and under developed intellect. If she thought it was right she would spray acid in her own face and cut her own clitoris off.
Muslim woman sitting int eh middle defending the wearing of the hijab is so unhinged throughout the whole talk. Her reactions are purely emotionally driven, and subsequently, her words are emotionally influenced and not logical.
That, and the fact that when you are raised in a fanatical society who adheres so strictly to a religion, it's hard not to do the same. She is so convinced that it is true that it is nearly impossible to convince her otherwise.
Yeah, she will literally NEVER admit the hijab is wrong, even if it is proven beyond all doubts, and here's why: she feels personally assaulted by the accusation that hijab is sexist. So, if that is correct,the hijabi girls have 1 of two choices: be honest, but feel like a hypocritical fool, or double down on the indefensible so she doesn't have to feel foolish, even though everyone else sees her as a bigger fool.
There are a higher rate of men in Pakistan watching porn than in the USA. What about the sexually abused boys of Afghanisian, "Bacha Bazi"? Come on, porn exists everywhere.
+SPRCQ7117 - And all of her responses were finger pointing. Trying to twist things around so that the troubles Islamic nations face are the fault of the U.S. and claiming that generalizations are bad while generalizing herself but in a way that doesn't hold water. Stupid, emotionally driven defender of clothing that symbolizes the subjugation of women. It's sad, yes. But anymore I'm angry when I see the pro-Islamist propaganda coming from young women who live in countries that give her the choice to practice the religion she chooses and to wear what she chooses, while all over the world, other Muslim women are not so lucky and have no choice whatsoever. Sickening
The young lady in the middle is very defensive, and quite rude... the reason being that, as usual , she has no legitimate argument. They know the truth but can't face it, or are not allowed to!
Astorrin I agree but keep in mind she’s been dealing with so much crap and bullying just read the comments on this video... the other lady has everyone siding with her for not wearing a scarf as on top of everything she’s an older women, the other girl is just a teen obviously she’s not going to be as calm and collective
This is frustrating to watch, as the young Muslim girl, obviously living in some western country seems completely oblivious to the fact that her own personal interpretation of Islam has little in common with the practices and teachings of "mainstream" Islam in most non-western countries. Not acknowledging this and / or claiming that "Islam is the most feminist religion" is definitely not the path to resolving this problem.
Aramis7 I guess it's because you can't swallow the fact that Islam is indeed a religion that gives women more freedom and rights than any other religion. And what exactly are the practices and teachings of mainstream Islam? You seem to be an expert on this topic
saifMSK so much freedom I am so grateful I am not Islamic!!!!!!!!!!! You live in a Western country that provides your protection . Your husband can divorce you in an Islamic land as ez as saying "I divorce you" 3 times and you are out on your big A__high and dry. Then you are one shamed. Come onnnnnnn!!!!! I am glad you are happy in your life and your religion but please have some compassion for the little girls forced into marriage, for the victims of honor killings that happen and on and on, I mean rape is her fault unless she can find 5 men as witnesses - ( the rapists perhaps?)
saifMSK then why the acid in the face, the honour killings, the genital mutiliation, the lack of choice on birth control, the stoning of female aldulters while the man goes free, the abuse allowed by men on women ????? It isn’t just a few women who live in total fear and domination
I'm an atheist and I have a deep respect for Ms. Nomani. I'd love to have a nice cup of tea with her & discuss some of these issues in a very kind discussion. You're a true patriot in pushing modernism and real human rights.
She is arguing against the deeply held beliefs of these women. It’s obviously the religion that has control of these women and forces them to wear it. Just because the say they do it for what ever reason doesn’t mean shit. This Muslim feminist idea is crap.
Western laws protect their rights to wear or not to wear it, where as women living in muslim countries have no right to choose!! 20 years ago hijab in the west was non existant, pist 9/11 muslim women were made to be a symbol of an islamic political movement.
They always do that - they are arrogant and then when asked a bit of a tough question...they lash out or will say you're disrespecting the qu'ran/their beliefs or you are Islamophobic when all you want to do is discuss their religion...so pathetic...
One can claim they wear the hijab willingly, but if you fear being treated negatively/harshly by family, community, or in the afterlife for not wearing it, as indicated in the Quran, then you're being forced to wear it.
HarleyDrummer1 Exactly. And you may just be one of those (few) old school Muslim women who sincerely choose to wear the hijab. But the litmus test for choice is if you would also have that same choice *not* to wear it. And they don't. Not if, at best, they want to be ostracized; or, at worst, want to be killed.
See that's the problem. Even when a Muslim woman says that she chose to wear the hijab. Someone like you goes back to this conversation that hijabs are ultimately forced to wear the hijab somehow. How hard is it for you to believe that simply put, a woman wants to wear an article of religious clothing fully out of her own well. Why do you have to assume that she has a family that would treat her badly or that she believes that she must wear it or else she goes to hell?
HarleyDrummer1 no, Allah is most merciful and should they not wear hijab it is forgivable. Families have no right to talk about other family members dress. And true Muslims do not force anyone to wear the hijab.
WorldReligion You talk a good game, but even in the USA we have 'honor ' killings where fathers and brothers killing their women for the audacity of not wearing one and actually trying to assimilate into western society. No, not all would do that, but the fact that many have and will means that many young ladies do not actually have any real choice
+Hickory Trickory that's why she's constantly adjusting her head scarf, oops, hijab. By the way, her hair is showing. The woman on the right is wearing it correctly. No hair or neck can be visible. Also in the Middle East I find it hard to believe she would find those fashionable boots to wear. A female of privileges, don't think she's make it without her fashion attire.
She was most likely born in the US. Most of the extremely outspoken feminist Muslim women are usually American born, college educated, but never having lived in the middle east.
Hey if u wanna wear a head scarf what's the big deal? But if there's a security issue or someone's trying to force a broad, sorry, a woman to wear one then no.
13:42 - Asra Nomani: *"It's (Iran) one of the lowest equity places in the world."* Opponent: *"I would like to see your statistics for that. But we also can't blame this on a religion."* Asra Nomani: *"But we can blame this on Western imperialism?"* LOL!
religion encompasses all areas of life. explicit relation ship between religion and wellfare is insignificant but implicit relations shows massive religious influence on well being of a people. religion tells people how spend money, how far to go, what is the right decision , who is worth your relations, freedom, education, politics, sex, marriage, culture and everything else about life...incuding happiness, evil, terrorism, human rights and culture...its not just about beliving the existence of some deighty with some mysterious name and imaginery powers.
If men had to have a mohawk by law, then a "Fashion Blogger" supported different colours of the mohawk...same thing! Hijabs were interesting when they first appeared, but are pretty boring now. Maybe she should rename Fashion Blogger to Compliance Blogger....
People have the right to live where they choose and comment on what they like its called Freedom, I am 2nd generation muslim british man. my family have lived in this country for over 70 years. According to asshole like you and yes I am actually calling you an asshole, I dont have the right to question my countries laws. I know my rights and that young lady in the middle knows them too. Times they are a changing get used to it.
They do so because they're either shallow stupid twits who think they're being chic* and showing their multi-cultural sensitivity AND being part of the next "thing" (hot fashion mag cover title: 'The Hijab Goes Mainstream! Our Models Cover the Look from Paris' - a headline you never want to see); or they're the type who consider themselves noble crusaders (uhhh, not-so-PC word choice 😀) for women, Great Causes, etc and, thinking people like Linda Sarsour are the greatest thing since fresh pita, follow her lead... A few decades before her time, a certain other promoter of repressive-ideology-posing-as-liberation would have referred to them as useful idiots. *a pox on every American or European fashion house that pushes this...I guarantee you any Muslim woman has access to plenty of resources to purchase hijab and anything else she needs - on-line, locally or overseas via friends/relatives and merchants (run the search "buy Pakistani hijab" for example on Google and the result yields 18 hits on page 1 alone with 7+ pages of offers).
Forgive them for they know not what they do. Help them by suggesting they read books like The Imamas Daughter by Hannah Shah and the experience of Dr Elham Manea, on the AHA Foundation website.
Because there ignorant of the real reason not educated themselves about Islam's lieing acvenda to push hijab at a younger age in our schools to convert woman wake up Islam liars decieve get you don't believe there lies
They are phony hypocrites and rotten ingrates. They whine about "American imperialism," while they take advantage of the freedoms of America that they wouldn't have in the countries they came from. These rotten ingrates don't deserve these freedoms and need to go back to those places they love so much.
dude so telling-- you can hear Asra Nomani discuss so calmly, so rationally, and she's listening, etc. but the girl masquerading as a woman in the middle-- 'like this and like that' and she sounds like type writer- ping, ping, ping and she's so spastic. Dude, chill. We're just talking. Make your arguments and don't use "It makes me cry" as an argument.
Most already wear it. The challenge is to wear a Burkini and sticking to your choice while other people look at you, assume things about yoy and tell you to take it off. That would be a real challenge for me
@@LukeVilent they can wear it in female only places or if they have their own garden. And if you wear a bikini then you can easily wear a Burkini because you aren't more exposed than you are used to be.
@@i.8885 Are you a male or a female. I am a male who had to wear a corset after a surgery in a hot summer, and I can tell the difference between this and being able to walk around with a bare torso. Also, I can imagine what would it be if I am allowed to wear shirts in male-only places. See here, in the civilized world, we care more about a person's rights and freedom of choice. If a woman chooses burquini - go on. But it is a matter of concern if she has chosen it freely. And if not, we do not wish the practice of enforcing whatever kind of clothing for whatever reason to spread.
@@LukeVilent I'm a female. As I can understand you compare a corset to the Burkini. Well you are supposed to wear the second one when you swim in water so being hot in not an issue. Where is the "civilized world" you refer to? 😂 but what I can tell is that in the civilized world you talk about (idk if you include my country in it), there's actually not freedom as some countries have banned the Burkini so women who wish to cover up are not allowed to swim. That's not what we call freedom. Also you are not the one to judge if a woman chose to cover up, in the same way you don't know if a woman that wears shorts decided that on her own after thinking of different ways of covering her body or because her family does it. Generally we dress the same way our family or society does. So most people don't actually choose. They just grew up with this type of clothes in mind. Idk what's your religion but in case you are Muslim, Christian or Jew, all three of then talk about head covering.
It was a Millennial. Child in an adult body. She was never taught how to have a conversation, as by the time she was old enough to speak, her face was plastered to a cell phone.
@@Dakarn that’s so funny you say that, your child is probably on their crusty ipad doing god knows what. but of course, you judge another woman’s child because she’s visibly muslim and you’re triggered by her argument.
Talking about women's rights? Women should have a choice? She hasn't been to Iran or Afghanistan then. For if she had then women do not have such a choice. Women do not have that right to take off their hijab. These women who profess to be fighting for women's rights in the west never think of fighting for their subjugated sisters in Iran.
Is it a choice, really? Are you serious? Do you have the right to chose to wear it in a muslim country? Do you really think that in a muslim country a woman has the right of having an opinion??? Really???
why are you asking me? I am saying the same as you. That was what I was pointing out. you have a choice over here in Britain. that is why it is a non issue. why have a national hijab day where it is not an issue women can wear what they like. But in Iran they have no choice they have to wear it otherwise the get thrown into prison. I have an Iranian friend who had to leave Iran because of that very reason.
It's the problem. Iran and afghanistan! The men of Iran and Afghanistan should be punished and burned to hell. Not the hijab. Why are you sooo double standard. Who oppressed them? The men. Then demolished them. They're the problem.
Oh the irony of the idea that the hijab is supposed to be about modesty. Yet Little Miss Fashion Blogger is all about being showy with your hijab. She's clearly enamoured of designer labels. I agree that this young woman punching above her intellectual weight in this discussion. Kudos to the woman on the left, she was dignified, intelligent and very patient with this petulant child.
Asra Norman is too far ahead in terms of intelligence and critical thinking for any reasonable conversation with the other girl here. This girl in the scarf sat there completely lost. When she spoke, she said the same thing over and over without any deeper thinking but just reiterating what she has been told -" it's American Imperliasm" that is to blame for all the problems of women in Islamic countries,... such a cliche and this little girl has no idea what imperialism is. Asra Norman seems to have wasted her time although some in the audience seemed to hear her.
lol .. obviously Asra Nomani* is famous.. a former professor at Georgetown University and shit.. why are you so surprised..? Obviously she's going to be ahead in intelligence and critical thinking but it doesn't mean she's right in her views each and every single time.
Mrs. Nomani. I take my hat off for your patience. Its scary how these ladies whom you ague against are so indifferent to the oppression of women within their cult. These ladies should go to an islamic country and live there. I think they would get pretty disillusioned. But of course, as long they they follow the cult leader, they will never come face to face with the very narrow limits of freedom for women in the islamic world. All of the 50 islamic countries in the world have problems with human rights abuses, and are not well functioning democracies taking care of their citizens equally. And these ladies blame America. Well I hope for America that they are not American citizens.
it’s not an oppression or cult...in islam women have the choice. its written to be modest for both muslim women AND men. not to mention...what did your little bible say about modesty again? aren’t christians supposed to dress modestly as well???
I am an Indian and a Hindu...We faced Imperialism for over 200 yrs...But today as a Hindu i dont blame problems in Hindu and Indian society like child marriage,caste system,superstitious beliefs etc on British colonialism...They are gone but the problems in Hindu society are still there.and as a responsible and educated Hindu women i dont want to hide behind political correctness and not criticize it.
Giriyas Caste system has become opposite in India. Indian government provides reservation in jobs and colleges for some backward classes. and trust me they aren't any backward. Tge higher castes have become poorer in some areas than the lower castes that get reservation.
yeah... i dont know... my Marvadi friend was dating her Sindhi boyfriend for a good 15 years since middleschool... and when it came to the question of marriage - he broke it off because his parents dont like Marvadi's. On the other hand.. I have 5 Marathi cousins who are all, except one, married to Marvadi's and my own brother is with a punjabi girl. And I am dating a north eastern Khassi fella so....
Well said, Madame! See how important education is? It allows you to reason and see the truth. That is what worries me about Islam. They are trying to out breed all other societies, but they want to populate every country with ignorant, uneducated people, who are easily led. They don't want people to think for themselves so they have lots of children, whom they refuse to let be exposed to science and rational thought. Mind you, even education is no help when you are brainwashed. Mehdi Hasan is supposed to be an Oxford University fellow and he still believes that their prophet flew to heaven on a winged horse. Although, maybe he just said that, because he was scared of being slaughtered by some crazy fundamentalist from his own faith. Then, again, that so-called Oxford fellow praises that evil woman, Linda Sarsour, so I guess education is no guarantee of an open mind. But let me compliment you once again, Madame, on being able to see beyond the rhetoric to what is true.
Tashanmann05 it was you who I was praising. I hope you realised that. I wasn't praising the person whose reply was printed above mine. I couldn't understand what that person was saying
@@badabingbadaboom80 pretty senseless comment. Ayaan Hirshi Ali is incredibly smart - She came to the Netherlands as a refugee, managed to learn Dutch very well and became a member of Parliament. While in this function she was the first to speak out against Female Genital Mutilation; sticking out her neck for Female Rights a Fatwa was issued against her, and after collaborating with Dutch Film Director Theo van Gogh on the the short Film “Fitna” which exposed some of the misogynistic verse in the Koran, she received death threats. Theo van Gogh had his throat slit while walking towards his son in ‘Vondel Park’ in Amsterdam and Ayaan would have been the next if she had not left the Country. Ayasn is a highly accomplished intellectual who always manages to stay calm, reasonable and polite, despite attacks by over emotional hijabis. Get your facts straight!
Asra is living in the 23rd century, she is so far ahead with her thinking it's to far ahead for these younger women. I'm sure if they have another 20yrs they might catch up. Wisdom takes time.
The young women who get up to speak are so deeply indoctrinated; Nomani is so articulate, she is so well studied and informed! I love that she says her religion & people of that faith must take responsibility for where they are. Excellent talk. The moderator was also excellent.
Hoda Katebi is the girl in the middle. Her Blog is supported or endorsed by teenvogue, TNT and MotherJones among others. She says in her blog "you cannot choose to be apolitical about your fashion choices". Yet she seems to have no real understanding of how dangerous and oppressive the hijab is. She clearly has a vested interest in making the wearing of the hijab a popular fashion trend and trying to assert that it's a political statement as well. Cha-ching!
She knows exactly what she's doing. "A year out of college, she heads up communications for the Chicago branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, [which says Trump’s immigration order targets Muslims directly]..." (brackets mine). Right there, your alarm bells should be going off: you don't work for CAIR , esp. in so public a position as communications head (and in CHI no less) without being very up on the issues. I agree that she came across in this panel as emotional and inarticulate, but that in no way demonstrates a failure to grasp the underlying issues or their significance. Never - esp. concerning this subject - judge by surface signs. The slobbering article that makes its adulation of Ms Katebi embarrassingly clear - informing the reader how she is "working to bridge the gap between America and the Middle East" and condescendingly reminding us lower mortals that "Before you form an opinion on Islam, it helps to actually know the basics" (I think I shall be ill now) - can be found at www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/hoda-katebi-iran-muslim-fashion-chicago-cair-immigration/ As a side note, I regret that I cannot opine that Will Greenberg, the article's author, even remotely knows what he's talking about. You can be a competent interviewer, an experienced observer and a skilled writer, and still have your head completely up your arse regarding the subject at hand. Congratulations, Mr Greenberg - you get first prize. Oh, and you're a pompous, condescending little twit as well. In places like Syria, South Yemen, the Tribal Areas of Pakistan, Tehran, Somalia and parts of Nigeria they eat little men like you for breakfast. I believe those regions are all Muslim controlled, yes?
As time goes on, it's only become more clear that Asra Nomani was on the right side of this debate. What frustrates me the most is the fact that the woman in the middle probably grew up in a loving, "open-minded" home that led to her believing that wearing the hijab is always a woman's choice and nothing else.
@@MN-br5nbtry to read the comment, and see how your fellow Muslim disagree to women oppression coz of your stupid religion btw it's fake asf Islam is faker than Christianity.
I love this woman's honesty and valour! Asra Nomani is a wonderful roll model for Muslim women! Women of this faith need to stand up against this ideology!!!!
Asra is not our role model. We believe in looking upto our prophet's wife and his daughter. They are our role models! We wholly and solely believe in Islam and its fundamentals. Its time that we stand up against meaningless and superficial propoganda like THIS!
Taqiyya doesn't exist. It's a made up construct that most islam haters have looked up and thought was a "gotcha". Turns out it's something that 3-4 Shiites said back in the day to avoid getting killed. It's not a concept or part of Islamic theology. Just a word idiots like to their around when they don't have a sound arguement
not just allowed but instructed. quran: "allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your words, but for the intention in your hearts" "unbelievers schemed and allah schemed against them, allah is the best of schemers" "whoever disbelieved in Allah after his belief, theirs will be a great torment, except him whose heart has Faith but words hold disbelief" "allah has already ordained for you the dissolution of your oaths" hadith: "o allah's apostle! would you like that I kill him? then allow me to say a false thing to deceive" "the prophet said, 'war is deceit.' " "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible" "One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."
KilluaXIII if Muslims always lie then why did you bring this hadith forward claiming it to be the truth because you just said they always lie so clearly you’re contradicting yourself. Taqiyyah is not real and not taught in any Islamic school in the world that is a fact. But you westerners deny facts and believe lies. This is why you have 78 or 83 genders I forgot how many. Idiots
Really. One doesn't even need a degree or experience for that. One only requires an over-inflated ego and lack of common sense. Say in a very loud whisper: FASHION BLOGGER!🧕🐷
But hijab did not make your hair or your head deformed but, foot binding did. Or perhaps there is actually someone who get their brain damaged after wearing hijab? Lol
@@formlesscorvid5336 Nope. It is only a piece of clothes. It is not even a living object. Oppresive and dangerous should refer to the people not the hijab. There are indeed some people who very strict about hijab but those who are very chill are also a lot. It is just like those who debate whether it is good to wear a bra or not. The cons would say bra is oppresive and dangerous while the pros would say it is healthy and needed to support. The same thing here is they are clothes.
So, 'meh pursunul feelings' are more important than discussing what consequences the hijab has for women in countries were it is mandatory? Yep, that's feminism 101 right there :(
Natasja van Dijk except nomani I'd a self described feminist. these traits aren't the purview of feminists; it's the territory of confused millennials & hysterical useless pseudointellectuals. The constant attacks on feminism are tiresome for the very, very many of us who don't subscribe the the bullshit the TINY vocal minority is always shouting about.
lololol as a feminist i fucking LOL'ed i hope we dont sound THAT stupid omg. but its true, we need feminism you guys. If cultures like muslims exist... then sexism still obviously exists as well :p
Zoot Dragon That's why there is now such general cynicism about feminism, it's vocal minority appears to support mohammedan nonsense like this, instead of roundly condemning the abominable misogynistic culture.
Vidar - I get that, but really lol I can see the beaurocratic dilema though - HIjabs are against feminism, but telling them to not wear a hijab is againt the freedom of choice, which we worked so hard to achieve. So.... I think the offcial stance from feminists concerning Hijabis is that.... freedom cannot be achieved overnight. At least theyve got a beauty blogger or two. But these beauty blogging hijabis are so...like they have 0 arguments in their favour. Hopefully one day that reality might just convince them to take the damn thing off.
some people use hijab to oppress women, but the sole purpose of the hijab is a religious clothing garment. people can misuse objects, but why does that give you the right to re-name it and change its meaning? knives are used as tools everywhere and they are very beneficial and useful, they help us do things, but some people use knives to kill and as tools of oppression. How many people have been killed with knives throughout time, Isis has used knives to behead people, so (according to the flawed logic) that mean knives are symbols of death and oppression and we should all stop using it. in some places today, and lots of times in the past, houses were used to oppress women, forcing them to stay at home, work in the kitchen e.t.c, so since houses can symbolize oppression, forget the other good uses for houses, they symbolize this therefore women should never use them, and purchase them, and choose to live in them because they were used to oppress other women, and symbolized oppression in those individual situations. Moral of the story: anything can be used to oppress, they can be objects of oppression in certain circumstances but why does that overtake the identity and purpose of the object itself . everybody has their own individual perspective on things, what might be oppressive to you might not be oppressive to me because i choose it and its useful in my situation, so don't oppress me with your opinions :) and stop using this flawed logic to tear down hijab.
Whoever talking about vilification by US government please go to Soudi and express their opinions freely. They don’t have a choice there to wear hijab or not. You must be covered all the time. No one invited you to come to US.
Couldn't believe the woman in the audience came from Kenya and had the gal to complain about an American man's joke to a woman. like that equals anywhere near the rampant misogyny of Islamic countries.
nuns have a choice ... women from the Middle East don't saying that nun wear is oppression is like saying that wearing a suit to business meetings is oppression also.
She did not just blame the gender inequities of the Middle East on American imperialism, did she? My gosh. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
Must say i'm impressed with Asra"s calm and articulate way of talking. The drivel was like water of a ducks back.We need more public speakers like her .
I'll give Asra this - she's got guts. That community is one of the least kind to dissenters that has ever existed, if not the most. The other two, not much bravery or honesty at all.
As a wonderful impressive calm debater it must be excruciating for Asra Nomani to be confronted by aggression from people who have a hard time formulating reasonable arguments. It is fascinating to watch her facial expressions of incredulity when trying to understand the blurred, irrational arguments put forward. Don't these people realise they make a complete fool out of themselves? There is no beauty without reason - and you can not cover up stupid.
So true. Its impressive to watch the patience this WOMAN practices when confronted with the irrationality of the other two hijab reppressed...women. Their strained..."logic"... Goes against ANY reasonable truth one could hope for.
Yes. I'm from Indonesia.. and I'm so sad with this pathetic condition in my country for these past years. I don't understand why women would submissively denigrating themselves for this sick ideology.
This sick ideology from allah.. probably u atheist by heart😂 In quran said women should cover their hair At the end u gonna know why allah telling women to cover their hair, let pray its not gonna be too late
I don't really agree with banning something, because it will only make humans want it more, and it doesn't matter what it is as long as it seems unreachable to them. Though I think we mustn't celebrate it and allow it to die down
@@Den-jp4yu maybe, we shouldn’t be forced to adapt to it though... and Tunisia has banned it, they seem to be dealing ok with it.... also from what I can see people who follow that tradition seem to respect authoritarianism more than democratic means, look at the UK - not sure it has worked there
I don't agree that hijab is banned that is totally wrong and undemocratic it should be personal choice. I used to wear hijab but I don't now except to go to the Mosque or to pray, because I felt that I was wearing it to please other people and not for the correct reasons, but I believe that women should have the right to choose.
@@sevilla7ful some women cover their entire faces and even go as far as wearing gloves! really?! does this make sense? as u say u did it because ur culture coerced u... as it continues to do... it is very difficult to free ourselves from what we are brought up to believe... no matter how nonsensical it is, this isn't really to do with any one religion, it's more to do with people's tendencies to believe in whatever nonsense is passed down, but no good comes from allowing people to believe in nonsense unchallenged... not to mention that some women do not have a choice as u do...
It's not banned... It's only banned for people who work in public offices, public schools in the context of a concept named "laïcité" more linked to secularization. Otherwise, hijab is not forbidden unless you want to work in a public office. In the other hand, khimar/burqa is forbidden in the streets for security matters. Please don't mislead people about that...
The lady in the middle does not understand her religion deeply enough to debate it and shows a naivity in her speech. She is surface level 'Islam is whatever I choose it to be' depth. The lady on the left of the screen is thoughtful, calm, backed up by facts, addressing the true issue of womens rights with someone who propogates the anti-female stance that Islam has. Quran 9:5 & Quran 4:34 are two verses that everyone should know of, as they highlight its barbarism.
Who organised this debate? I really wanted to hear from somebody who could really articulate her case but not this young woman. She seem to have no clue about facts of the world today. She should consider herself fortunate to be able to choose between wearing hijab and not wearing hijab. Millions of muslims around the world don't have that choice; they just have to wear them. She should not have been part of this discussion because she appears too naive and clueless. America imperialism??? Strange. People like her would be the first to scream their American citizenship. I have no problem if someone wants to defend her culture but here is someone who thinks every point made by the other is about her.
@@renegadedalek5528 i’m atheist myself and i don’t understand why Asra is still muslim too but overall i agree with what she was saying here so i don’t understand why did you say that cognitive dissonance was striking from all sides
This debate is such a perfect example of the many videos that made about how to debate. Maintaining a calm demeanour immediately gives you credibility. It’s so important.
A religion that depends on clothing is a ''textile'' religion. A Sufi Shaik said: I didn't come to this world to care about dressing, my duty is about spirituality.
It's like one person operating within the framework of reason and honesty and the ability to see the big picture talking to a little emotional child completely unable to see beyond her own little world.
Whoa, the energy CHANGED when the girl in the middle started talking. Very defensive and uniformed. Asra Normani is so eloquent and sharp. She understood exactly the angles everybody was coming from and called out their fallicious logic on the spot, which is a hard thing to do.
The head covered woman is coming across has aggressive and hostile and I don't think men in Islam should get away with their responsibility of controlling their own sexual control and it's not fair to make a woman responsible for a man chooses to do.
Imagine if a Catholic got defensive and said "well, that doesn't represent me!" every time another Catholic said Priests who sexually abuse children should be stopped. Honestly, why do you think it's about you? If you cared about Muslims, women's rights, and GLBT people, wouldn't you want Islamism stopped?
The single most damaging confidence trick known to mankind .Foundation stones of sadistic and sexual dominance , prejudice and fear . Built on a bedrock of deceit ..
I love how this Islam apologetics are all from western countries and have only visited Muslim countries. If these western Muslim women live in Muslim countries they will see real oppression and how many women are fighting against it. The fact that she is showing a bit of hair, talks about hijab like it's fashion instead of a holy cloth, and has a social media account to speak about "politics" and shows herself on TV could get her stoned in a real Muslim country. Why don't we send them over there to see how they actually get treated by a "feminist" religion
Roe Kemp - Nor do I Roe - I've always subscribed to the idea - Know your enemy and therefore have studied enough to grasp their ideology and motives. It is sick from the get-go and were it not such an oppressive totalitarian ethos, it would not have survived. Mohammed said - "I am made victorious through terror". What else do you need to know? It's EVIL!
Lori Rhae A muslim woman on a comment section sent me a link that described how being immersed in our culture puts their very salvation at risk with Allah. They do not belong here.
Roe Kemp - No, I'm afraid they do not belong anywhere. It isn't being immersed in our culture that puts them at risk. It's believing in their own. I know we are supposed to love them and try to help them see the truth - but I am still praying for that strength.
I lost count of the times the female in the middle said 'you know' when she was talking. Bish, I don't know. Please explain. Bish, you are not *listening* to the woman on your right, who is a voice of reason. Yes, there are women who choose to wear the hijab, there are many who don't choose and are punished for not wearing it.
I take it that Asra still considers herself a Muslim? I agreed with her points about the hijab, but I fail to understand why she doesn't just leave the religion. Is it out of fear of being killed for apostasy?
+Mark Evans Maybe she has a faith in a creator & Islam is the medium she expresses that faith. I'm guessing her focus would be more on the Quran of Mecca (peaceful) rather than the Quran of Medina (Jihad).
You could ask the same thing about Maajid Nawaz. Why try to reform Islam, instead of just leaving it? Personally, I'm an atheist and I would generally prefer that anyone just left the nonsense of religion behind. However, when I look at the world around me, I have to admit that Islam does need reformation. And who would carry it out, if not people who think like them and _still_ identify as believers? So, in the end, I think that we need more Muslims of their kind. Fighting to reform Islam, in the context we live today, is a honorable cause in my book. I completely understand why some people would choose to follow this path, and they have my sympathy and my support - even though I don't share their (or any other) faith.
Agreed, they need much more internal pressure to change. They've been given a free ride and let their hate filled ideology spread in the form of radical terrorism like a cancer. While I don't understand why any woman would remain a muslim, they absolutely need thought leaders like this lady to lead a major reformation.
Maybe I've not read enough about Islam, but it seems to me to be unreformable. Because it's held out to be a perfect recitation of the word of God (through the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed) and is claimed to be perfect, how could it ever be in need of reform. I believe that is likely the thinking of a majority of Muslims, so a Reformation in the fashion of a Christian Reformation seems unlikely. Add to that all of the other texts which make up the core of the various Muslim sects, and the brutal way Mohammed tells Muslims to deal with disbelievers and it seems doubly doubtful that a softening of Islam is possible.
I definitely think threatened to be murdered if you leave a religion would apply pressure to stay. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has turned towards reformation and is constantly told since she's no longer Muslim, she no longer has any right to call for changes to a religion she no longer belongs to.
The Kenyan student spouted both BLM & SJW lies. The "only girl" in Math being told she can just sleep with the professor has been played on every sitcom for the last three decades. At least come up with something original.
In Hoda Katebi's fashion blog she also writes "Good fashion is feminist". I see. REally??? I guess I can sort of grasp what she's trying to do...she's trying to be a hip-modern-cutting-edge-young woman...but then she throws on the head scarf and ruins her credibility.
Moreover according to Qur'an, a man might be incited to molest her without the hijab...but the sight of her undeniably well-formed calf draped by a not-so-opaque fabric, as she sits pensively framed by the bay behind, is not supposed to be a problem.* Okay. *Second image on page, link below, from the delightful Miss Katebi's post of 30 November 2015, entitled "Daydreaming". Pop down three more photos and you'll see that the skirt's hem is just below the knee - quite modest by Western standards, but paired with the claim of validity of hijab it's laughable. www.joojooazad.com/2015/11/daydreaming.html
They're not happy in Gaza .. They're not happy in Egypt .. They're not happy in Libya .. They're not happy in Morocco .. They're not happy in Iran .. They're not happy in Iraq .. They're not happy in Yemen .. They're not happy in Afghanistan .. They're not happy in Pakistan .. They're not happy in Syria .. They're not happy in Lebanon .. They're not happy in Malaysia.. They're not happy in Indonesia.. SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? They're happy in Australia . They're happy in Canada . They're happy in England .. They're happy in Hungary .. They're happy in France .. They're happy in Italy .. They're happy in Germany .. They're happy in Sweden .. They're happy in the USA .. They're happy in Norway .. They're happy in Holland . They're happy in Denmark . Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is! AND WHO DO THEY BLAME? Not Islam. Not their leadership. Not themselves. THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN! AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like. THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY
One of the best debates ... well, Asra's reasoning anyway. Thank you for sharing. Having grown up in an Islamic republic, I can attest to everything Asra shares in this debate.
The last girl asking a question, and "feeling patronised", yes, I can super relate to the sentiment of feeling patronised when dealing with Muslims, and they give MY change back to my male companion for example, or when I am travelling in Iran and am forced to wear a hijab even though it is hot and uncomfortable, or I am not allowed to enter a cafe there. No wonder she has such a keen sense of, and is so adept in spotting when she is being patronised, I can fully sympathise :)
as an Iranian, i can confidentially say Hoda does not represent Iranian women in Iran, fighting for their right to clothing, she talks about "choice" in the west yet she knows very well for millions of women in Iran there is no choice. and the rest of the women don't even want to have that choice because they are being taught that there is only one way and that is the hijab and to question it is to question their entire belief system and that is an incredibly horrifying thought for religious and semi-religious Iranians. The amount of privilege Hoda has me shocked and baffled, she is living the dream of thousands of young Iranians to live in a country where freedom of speech is valued and protected! she talks about Iran having more women in universities which is true but then she forgets to mention that of all those educated women only a small portion make it to the work force related to their majors and other careers and the rest are forced to settle down for marriage due to inequality of pay and unsafe work environments. most women in Iran don't go to college to progress in their future careers, their upbringing has taught them that a higher education means a better husband!!
Really unfortunate that. Iran produces some of the finest international students who make it big all over the world. Just goes to show if the same freedoms are afforded to you people back home, there could be a great deal of progress at Iran as well. But you're right - as long as it is a choice it really doesn't matter what they wear. The only problem is it isn't free at all in Iran. Good luck.
What an eloquent lovely lady with a mature attidude - no not the clueless one in the hijab who is just not seeing the bigger picture - talking about women wearing the hijab for different reasons - Yeah so many reasons NOT
Everyone keeps thinking that Asra is talking specifically about individuals who choose to wear the hijab, and they continue to be offended by what they think she's saying, but she's talking about the machine. She's talking about the women who DON'T have the choice. It's really nice when you have a choice as to what you wear, but when it's law, and when it's for their safety, it's not a choice. And that is what she's talking about. It's like Ben Affleck arguing Sam Harris on that show (which the name escapes me at the moment) about radical Islam, and Ben just hears Islamophobia, which is not what Sam was promoting at all.
Why on earth would they pair these two women together on the same stage?! Asra Nomani (on the left) is a respected and highly intelligent journalist, author, activist, teacher. The one in the middle? A hijab fashion blogger...seriously? This little girl has no knowledge. The hijab is not a fashion statement, or a fun game or a form of expression of independence.
I used to be married to a Muslim man and was exposed to that community. Every time I asked (men or women) why the women have to be wearing scarves I got the same answer - For protection. 'Protection from what?', I asked, 'Sun, wind, cold?' No! It is for protection from lustful men! I say:'You have a big problem!'
@@zub41r75 Where are you now Zub? System overload from that "simple minded pagan"?
Way to go Satya Murthy Mk. This guy Zub, is reeling from just what his "book" says, imagine if you brought out all the Indian literature! His head will spin in multiple directions at the same time! Lol!
i thought it represents modesty like how it was worn by the Virgin Mary and some Nuns. But yeah..big problem..big.. big problem.
@@zub41r75 you mean its impossible to understand BY 99.999% except by a few elite who can actually read and understand ANCIENT ARABIC?
Hana Tanana that is the reason why posion like religion and old traditions cant torture me!
Yeah thats what they sayin, if you dont wear hijab its your own fault if you get raped
This fashion blogger is speaking for herself and Asra is speaking for the women out there who cant voice out their believe in public....
Steven Zombie because the fashion blogger is making money from it, that's why she's so threatened by anyone opposing it, pathetic
Fashion bloggers across all nationalities are pains in the arse to be honest.
👍 I agree.
The one in the middle also does not support women's fashion either because her fashion is horrific 🤢
Yeah I find her insufferable when she started vilifying not wearing the hijab and calling it a 'right'... The cognitive dissonance in many muslims is quite sad and I'm glad I got out of that religion albeit a closeted atheist.
Most women have a wonderful, built-in head covering. It's called "hair".
Jim Inverness 😂😂😂
but some have no 🧠 brain to comprehend the truth so try to mask it all.
Yes!! 💯👏🏼
Women's hair can also be a symbol of beauty and thus attract lustful Muslim men who have "no ability" for self-control. ;-)
@@southernlights3682 said: "Women's hair can also be a symbol of beauty and thus attract lustful Muslim men who have no ability for self-control."
Which brings me back to my earlier point:
"Why stop at the hijab or burka? Then the men won't see the woman, why not also have them wear permanent gags so their sexy voices can't incite sexual assault? Why not force them to wear metal chastity belts so that they can't be guilty of being raped (how does that logic work anyway)? Why not banish women to a separate females-only part of the country behind massive walls, where men cannot ever enter, except for a sex room to breed with their wives - heck, don't even do that - no contact ever, use artificial insemination, then the men will never see, hear, touch or have anything to do with those women they hate, so they will never be tempted. Problem solved right? All Muslim males happy now?"
A blogger and a college professor/author. The difference is obvious.
she would show her free choise,if he take off her hijab inside,and not wear it everyday-but when she demonstate,how she is wearing that on regular basis,it doesn`t look credible,any prctical reason.
@@MsAmgrace but she's a fashion blogger, don't you know? 🤣😂 and a useful idiot who fills her sentences with 'you know'.
She's a fashion blogger dumb bish.
The girl in the middle is defensive. But notice how and why: she is a fashion blogger, from what I understand specifically hijab fashion. She has a financial stake in supporting the hijab.
She is deeply ideologically possessed. But she also is financially motivated. That is why she comes across so strident.
Debra Blouin
She was so defensive because she was never put herself in the shoes of afghan women, and women in many strict Islamic based countries, let her in that position and let she tell the stories again.
Debra Blouin I also noticed she was, like, quite inarticulate--especially compared to the woman on her right, whose delivery was articulate and even-keel, emotionally speaking.
@@2009walah Let 'her' tell the stories again you mean. Get your vocab. together if you want to comment. PS:The hijab is primative, oppressive bullshit. Abolish it now!
She hasn't worn it as prescribed because she is a fashionista. Lol
Dan Flynn Ex-ACTLY. One woman is speaking in calm, measured tones while the other girl is speaking rapid fire in a voice shaking with emotion. Coincidence?
As an Iranian, I am embarrassed by this "hijabi" Iranian girl who is just confrontational whereas Asra Nomani is so calm and collected and argues point by point. That Iranian girl should be ashamed of herself as she is supporting a culture that is oppressing her sisters in Iran.
She's young and full of fire. It's ok. Remember when you were in your early 20s and thought you knew things? I wasn't too bad but there were times when I look back and know I had a lot of energy and thought I had wisdom where I was out of my place really. Hey cheers to you and Iranians , you have a fun and lively people and culture. Sorry bout the cia and the Shah. I hope one day you'll be free of religious extremists
@@matthewguzda4075
Marxists have played significantly larger role in dismantling Shah than CIA have....
@@stnln2180 the cia put the shah on the throne. He was the USA puppet. The cia didn't get rid of him and where do you get marxists toppling his regime? If Marxists toppled the shah then Marxists would've taken the reigns of power. Who did? The religious extremists. The ayatollahs. Where do you get Marxists? You can't blame them for everything. And the shah was horrible. Murders torture, the cia has acted like the Gestapo at times.the worst Marxists are here in the USA. And they act more like Stalinists then Marxists even
@@stnln2180 then why aren't nor have they been in power in Iran? They oust the shah then hand the power to Islamic leaders?
@@matthewguzda4075
Well.... don't forget that behind the Iranian Revolution was coalition of anti Shah forces. Marxists were important part of the coalition. In addition Western Leftists were very sympathetic toward Khomenei when he was forced to move to France Leftist media provided for him very enthusiastic coverage. BBC immediately put Khomeini into the spotlight. He rapidly became a household name in the west, portraying himself as an "Eastern mystic" who did not seek power, but instead sought to "free" his people from "oppression". The normally critical western media rapidly became a docile tool in Khomeini's hands.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
Hard to take a debate seriously when one of the speakers has an attitude like a mardy teenager.
bhavagambhiram Welcome to Islamic ''logic''!
bhavagambhiram
That was probably the most reasonable that these idiots get!
Vidar Odinsson I disagree, the debate is fine despite the obnoxious bitch, I'd ignore her stupid remarks
she clearly hates America, why doesn't she go back to live in iran?
jay tee
You got me, because she likes all the things we kafir have invented?
No seriously because her brain is scrambled by a mohammedan upbringing. Part of that is to have contempt for non muslims which she is unable to suppress in this situation.
She is exactly the right age where muslim elders complete their brain washing techniques. A young and under developed intellect. If she thought it was right she would spray acid in her own face and cut her own clitoris off.
Muslim woman sitting int eh middle defending the wearing of the hijab is so unhinged throughout the whole talk. Her reactions are purely emotionally driven, and subsequently, her words are emotionally influenced and not logical.
That, and the fact that when you are raised in a fanatical society who adheres so strictly to a religion, it's hard not to do the same. She is so convinced that it is true that it is nearly impossible to convince her otherwise.
Yeah, she will literally NEVER admit the hijab is wrong, even if it is proven beyond all doubts, and here's why: she feels personally assaulted by the accusation that hijab is sexist. So, if that is correct,the hijabi girls have 1 of two choices: be honest, but feel like a hypocritical fool, or double down on the indefensible so she doesn't have to feel foolish, even though everyone else sees her as a bigger fool.
There are a higher rate of men in Pakistan watching porn than in the USA. What about the sexually abused boys of Afghanisian, "Bacha Bazi"? Come on, porn exists everywhere.
+SPRCQ7117 - And all of her responses were finger pointing. Trying to twist things around so that the troubles Islamic nations face are the fault of the U.S. and claiming that generalizations are bad while generalizing herself but in a way that doesn't hold water.
Stupid, emotionally driven defender of clothing that symbolizes the subjugation of women. It's sad, yes. But anymore I'm angry when I see the pro-Islamist propaganda coming from young women who live in countries that give her the choice to practice the religion she chooses and to wear what she chooses, while all over the world, other Muslim women are not so lucky and have no choice whatsoever. Sickening
SPQR7117
Girl went unarmed to a battle of wits.
The lady on the left is so eloquent and composed while the one in the middle is so defensive to almost childlike (shouting and interrupting).
Bc one is a journalist and much much older, the other is young. Maybe she can’t articulate but she’s there on a stage.
old age does that ur more peaceful cuz ull get whopped if you act up
@@joblupata3673 She is not old but mature and knows how to put her points across rather than needlessly rumbling.
OMG IKR
What bothers me the most is the Quran and Muslims for a long time have not bin very kind to black people but blacks flock to it.
The young lady in the middle is very defensive, and quite rude... the reason being that, as usual , she has no legitimate argument. They know the truth but can't face it, or are not allowed to!
Astorrin I agree but keep in mind she’s been dealing with so much crap and bullying just read the comments on this video... the other lady has everyone siding with her for not wearing a scarf as on top of everything she’s an older women, the other girl is just a teen obviously she’s not going to be as calm and collective
+Nora C she has a platform but she's misusing it.
Anyone who puts "women's rights" in same sentence as Islam is willfully blind.
Lying for the faith is universal.
Well as a muslim woman who wears a headscarf, I can tell you that shes not even wearing it properly enough to fight for it properly loool 😂
This is frustrating to watch, as the young Muslim girl, obviously living in some western country seems completely oblivious to the fact that her own personal interpretation of Islam has little in common with the practices and teachings of "mainstream" Islam in most non-western countries. Not acknowledging this and / or claiming that "Islam is the most feminist religion" is definitely not the path to resolving this problem.
Aramis7 I guess it's because you can't swallow the fact that Islam is indeed a religion that gives women more freedom and rights than any other religion. And what exactly are the practices and teachings of mainstream Islam? You seem to be an expert on this topic
I agree completely! Why can they not see this? In a western country they are so protected.
saifMSK so much freedom I am so grateful I am not Islamic!!!!!!!!!!! You live in a Western country that provides your protection . Your husband can divorce you in an Islamic land as ez as saying "I divorce you" 3 times and you are out on your big A__high and dry. Then you are one shamed. Come onnnnnnn!!!!! I am glad you are happy in your life and your religion but please have some compassion for the little girls forced into marriage, for the victims of honor killings that happen and on and on, I mean rape is her fault unless she can find 5 men as witnesses - ( the rapists perhaps?)
Aramis7 She May embarrass her brother and end up an honor killing
saifMSK then why the acid in the face, the honour killings, the genital mutiliation, the lack of choice on birth control, the stoning of female aldulters while the man goes free, the abuse allowed by men on women ????? It isn’t just a few women who live in total fear and domination
She's a fashion blogger with poor attitude and absoluetly no professionalism...
Seriously, Asra Nomani has amazing patience in dealing with the caliber of opponents she had. She's an adult arguing with children.
Asra Nomani is a condescending, smug, arrogant POS.
I'm an atheist and I have a deep respect for Ms. Nomani. I'd love to have a nice cup of tea with her & discuss some of these issues in a very kind discussion. You're a true patriot in pushing modernism and real human rights.
She doesn’t have any argument,,childish,,Muslim brotherhood propaganda
She is arguing against the deeply held beliefs of these women. It’s obviously the religion that has control of these women and forces them to wear it. Just because the say they do it for what ever reason doesn’t mean shit. This Muslim feminist idea is crap.
was not a fair debate and it’s not the girls fault.
I am wondering why those who think of america as imperialist/ a mysogynistic society are actually choosing to live in or study in america!!!
That is so right! America has enough problems without importing and paying for more!
because of the universities and libraries, not porn obviously..
Copy, appropriate, then subvert the "satanic system."
Yep, I wonder why too !
Western laws protect their rights to wear or not to wear it, where as women living in muslim countries have no right to choose!! 20 years ago hijab in the west was non existant, pist 9/11 muslim women were made to be a symbol of an islamic political movement.
When cornered and cannot provide a valid civil response, you lash out and show the race card.
They always do that - they are arrogant and then when asked a bit of a tough question...they lash out or will say you're disrespecting the qu'ran/their beliefs or you are Islamophobic when all you want to do is discuss their religion...so pathetic...
Or the Islamophobia card.
One can claim they wear the hijab willingly, but if you fear being treated negatively/harshly by family, community, or in the afterlife for not wearing it, as indicated in the Quran, then you're being forced to wear it.
HarleyDrummer1 Exactly. And you may just be one of those (few) old school Muslim women who sincerely choose to wear the hijab. But the litmus test for choice is if you would also have that same choice *not* to wear it. And they don't. Not if, at best, they want to be ostracized; or, at worst, want to be killed.
See that's the problem. Even when a Muslim woman says that she chose to wear the hijab. Someone like you goes back to this conversation that hijabs are ultimately forced to wear the hijab somehow. How hard is it for you to believe that simply put, a woman wants to wear an article of religious clothing fully out of her own well. Why do you have to assume that she has a family that would treat her badly or that she believes that she must wear it or else she goes to hell?
Yea so very true
HarleyDrummer1 no, Allah is most merciful and should they not wear hijab it is forgivable. Families have no right to talk about other family members dress. And true Muslims do not force anyone to wear the hijab.
WorldReligion
You talk a good game, but even in the USA we have 'honor ' killings where fathers and brothers killing their women for the audacity of not wearing one and actually trying to assimilate into western society. No, not all would do that, but the fact that many have and will means that many young ladies do not actually have any real choice
The girl in the middle is incredibly insecure.
+Hickory Trickory that's why she's constantly adjusting her head scarf, oops, hijab. By the way, her hair is showing. The woman on the right is wearing it correctly. No hair or neck can be visible. Also in the Middle East I find it hard to believe she would find those fashionable boots to wear. A female of privileges, don't think she's make it without her fashion attire.
listening is a talent the woman in the center does not have
Everybody stop picking on her. The poor thing cannot help herself...obviously she has been traumatised by all that American imperialism.
Hickory Trickory she knows what's truth.
For sure.
Afraid of DEATH!
I am tired of Muslims getting emotional and hostile any time anyone poses real concerns. Speaks of serious immaturity.
generalising everyone
@@joblupata3673 That's what you do.
I am tired of the whole world believing in false agenda and propoganda against muslims and islamic ideologies. Ever thought of giving us a break?!
How do you move to a country and constantly insult it? Get the hell out!
She was most likely born in the US. Most of the extremely outspoken feminist Muslim women are usually American born, college educated, but never having lived in the middle east.
YEAH !
Hey if u wanna wear a head scarf what's the big deal? But if there's a security issue or someone's trying to force a broad, sorry, a woman to wear one then no.
Got the fuck out. Go home you ignorant stupid evil animal
Those Iranian ladies are clowns, really? Is this the real hijab you wear in Iran? Why are you even in the USA, how are you even allowed to be there?
13:42 - Asra Nomani: *"It's (Iran) one of the lowest equity places in the world."*
Opponent: *"I would like to see your statistics for that. But we also can't blame this on a religion."*
Asra Nomani: *"But we can blame this on Western imperialism?"*
LOL!
Iran is a country run by a theocratic regime. It has fucking everything to do with the religion
Hahahaha.. LOL... Those two ladies are so pathetic!
religion encompasses all areas of life. explicit relation ship between religion and wellfare is insignificant but implicit relations shows massive religious influence on well being of a people. religion tells people how spend money, how far to go, what is the right decision , who is worth your relations, freedom, education, politics, sex, marriage, culture and everything else about life...incuding happiness, evil, terrorism, human rights and culture...its not just about beliving the existence of some deighty with some mysterious name and imaginery powers.
This is what happens when a fashion blogger believes she is an intellectual....LMFAO
What happens when a wannabe fashion blogger believes there is such a thing as "Muslim Fashion"
absolutely!
If men had to have a mohawk by law, then a "Fashion Blogger" supported different colours of the mohawk...same thing! Hijabs were interesting when they first appeared, but are pretty boring now. Maybe she should rename Fashion Blogger to Compliance Blogger....
@@prometheus5700 I know, right!?! 🤣😂
@@phillipbridge5009 oh no, it has to be better than that. That's insulting to the compliance bods!
Speaking louder does not make you a better debater 😂😂.bring in Ayaan Harsi the queen of quite power.
Totally agree...!
People have the right to live where they choose and comment on what they like its called Freedom,
I am 2nd generation muslim british man. my family have lived in this country for over 70 years. According to asshole like you and yes I am actually calling you an asshole, I dont have the right to question my countries laws.
I know my rights and that young lady in the middle knows them too.
Times they are a changing get used to it.
The real question is not why Muslim people defend the hijab -- it is why so many Westerners (especially women) seem to defend it.
They do so because they're either shallow stupid twits who think they're being chic* and showing their multi-cultural sensitivity AND being part of the next "thing" (hot fashion mag cover title: 'The Hijab Goes Mainstream! Our Models Cover the Look from Paris' - a headline you never want to see); or they're the type who consider themselves noble crusaders (uhhh, not-so-PC word choice 😀) for women, Great Causes, etc and, thinking people like Linda Sarsour are the greatest thing since fresh pita, follow her lead... A few decades before her time, a certain other promoter of repressive-ideology-posing-as-liberation would have referred to them as useful idiots.
*a pox on every American or European fashion house that pushes this...I guarantee you any Muslim woman has access to plenty of resources to purchase hijab and anything else she needs - on-line, locally or overseas via friends/relatives and merchants (run the search "buy Pakistani hijab" for example on Google and the result yields 18 hits on page 1 alone with 7+ pages of offers).
Rafael Arandas lol
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
Help them by suggesting they read books like The Imamas Daughter by Hannah Shah and the experience of Dr Elham Manea, on the AHA Foundation website.
Because there ignorant of the real reason not educated themselves about Islam's lieing acvenda to push hijab at a younger age in our schools to convert woman wake up Islam liars decieve get you don't believe there lies
Brain dead snowflakes
"Im fron kenya" "I'm from turkey"
If they love islam and the hijab so much.....why aren't they still in those countries?
Exactly!
They are phony hypocrites and rotten ingrates. They whine about "American imperialism," while they take advantage of the freedoms of America that they wouldn't have in the countries they came from. These rotten ingrates don't deserve these freedoms and need to go back to those places they love so much.
@@GentlemanAmerican Exactly! Also, while in America, they are trying to tear down the values at the core of these freedoms...
Generic- ScreenName 360% agree
@@GentlemanAmerican The use our good nature against ourselves...while they and their religion...have none.
dude so telling-- you can hear Asra Nomani discuss so calmly, so rationally, and she's listening, etc. but the girl masquerading as a woman in the middle-- 'like this and like that' and she sounds like type writer- ping, ping, ping and she's so spastic. Dude, chill. We're just talking. Make your arguments and don't use "It makes me cry" as an argument.
If only she had a brain to be washed!
I never heard a person who uses "like" so often being taken seriously in any intellectual conversation.
jurrasic parkinsons Uh, like, uh like, what like, uh, like uh like , like, do, like, uh, you, like, uh like mean, uh like?
Well put.
If we have a wear a hijab day - lets have a wear a bikini day as well.
Most already wear it. The challenge is to wear a Burkini and sticking to your choice while other people look at you, assume things about yoy and tell you to take it off. That would be a real challenge for me
@@i.8885 Everyone? Saudia Arabia pls.
@@LukeVilent they can wear it in female only places or if they have their own garden. And if you wear a bikini then you can easily wear a Burkini because you aren't more exposed than you are used to be.
@@i.8885 Are you a male or a female. I am a male who had to wear a corset after a surgery in a hot summer, and I can tell the difference between this and being able to walk around with a bare torso. Also, I can imagine what would it be if I am allowed to wear shirts in male-only places.
See here, in the civilized world, we care more about a person's rights and freedom of choice. If a woman chooses burquini - go on. But it is a matter of concern if she has chosen it freely. And if not, we do not wish the practice of enforcing whatever kind of clothing for whatever reason to spread.
@@LukeVilent I'm a female. As I can understand you compare a corset to the Burkini. Well you are supposed to wear the second one when you swim in water so being hot in not an issue. Where is the "civilized world" you refer to? 😂 but what I can tell is that in the civilized world you talk about (idk if you include my country in it), there's actually not freedom as some countries have banned the Burkini so women who wish to cover up are not allowed to swim. That's not what we call freedom. Also you are not the one to judge if a woman chose to cover up, in the same way you don't know if a woman that wears shorts decided that on her own after thinking of different ways of covering her body or because her family does it. Generally we dress the same way our family or society does. So most people don't actually choose. They just grew up with this type of clothes in mind. Idk what's your religion but in case you are Muslim, Christian or Jew, all three of then talk about head covering.
Respect to Asra Nomani. Finally a woman who cuts through the bullshit and *actually* cares about the rights of Muslim women.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
The hijab wearers have absolutely no arguement, just a bysterical, illogical response to a solid position.
What a lady, god bless you.
I am an Iranian, and Hoda should be a ashamed of her self. I don’t know why she doesn’t go to Iran and live.
Why was an adult debating a teenager?
It was a Millennial. Child in an adult body. She was never taught how to have a conversation, as by the time she was old enough to speak, her face was plastered to a cell phone.
@@Dakarn that’s so funny you say that, your child is probably on their crusty ipad doing god knows what. but of course, you judge another woman’s child because she’s visibly muslim and you’re triggered by her argument.
@@karenkrawford5817 Your name fits you perfectly.
The youngest one in the center is very self-centered and very ignorant - the other two are beautiful
Talking about women's rights? Women should have a choice? She hasn't been to Iran or Afghanistan then. For if she had then women do not have such a choice. Women do not have that right to take off their hijab. These women who profess to be fighting for women's rights in the west never think of fighting for their subjugated sisters in Iran.
Is it a choice, really? Are you serious? Do you have the right to chose to wear it in a muslim country? Do you really think that in a muslim country a woman has the right of having an opinion??? Really???
why are you asking me? I am saying the same as you. That was what I was pointing out. you have a choice over here in Britain. that is why it is a non issue. why have a national hijab day where it is not an issue women can wear what they like. But in Iran they have no choice they have to wear it otherwise the get thrown into prison. I have an Iranian friend who had to leave Iran because of that very reason.
It's the problem. Iran and afghanistan! The men of Iran and Afghanistan should be punished and burned to hell.
Not the hijab.
Why are you sooo double standard. Who oppressed them? The men. Then demolished them. They're the problem.
Oh the irony of the idea that the hijab is supposed to be about modesty. Yet Little Miss Fashion Blogger is all about being showy with your hijab. She's clearly enamoured of designer labels. I agree that this young woman punching above her intellectual weight in this discussion. Kudos to the woman on the left, she was dignified, intelligent and very patient with this petulant child.
YAWN
Very similar to make-up and women's fashion companies, isn't it?
Hijab : the illusion of choice
Women should wake up
KAREN SQ everyday for non practicing Muslims is non hijab day😂
Asra Norman is too far ahead in terms of intelligence and critical thinking for any reasonable conversation with the other girl here. This girl in the scarf sat there completely lost. When she spoke, she said the same thing over and over without any deeper thinking but just reiterating what she has been told -" it's American Imperliasm" that is to blame for all the problems of women in Islamic countries,... such a cliche and this little girl has no idea what imperialism is. Asra Norman seems to have wasted her time although some in the audience seemed to hear her.
It's true tho. Excuse me for being rude. What are you tho? Because it's kinda hard to understand that if you are white.
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lol .. obviously Asra Nomani* is famous.. a former professor at Georgetown University and shit.. why are you so surprised..? Obviously she's going to be ahead in intelligence and critical thinking but it doesn't mean she's right in her views each and every single time.
I feel for the women trying to speak common sense to these two nonsensical women with hijabs that refuse to acknowledge facts and the truth.
Mrs. Nomani. I take my hat off for your patience. Its scary how these ladies whom you ague against are so indifferent to the oppression of women within their cult. These ladies should go to an islamic country and live there. I think they would get pretty disillusioned. But of course, as long they they follow the cult leader, they will never come face to face with the very narrow limits of freedom for women in the islamic world. All of the 50 islamic countries in the world have problems with human rights abuses, and are not well functioning democracies taking care of their citizens equally. And these ladies blame America. Well I hope for America that they are not American citizens.
Jesuslily: Please put your hat back on. You might set yourself up for an attack. (ha ha)
it’s not an oppression or cult...in islam women have the choice. its written to be modest for both muslim women AND men. not to mention...what did your little bible say about modesty again? aren’t christians supposed to dress modestly as well???
For the majority of women in Islamic Nations, Everyday is a World Hijab day since their Childhood till they die !!!
Brilliant comment!
I am an Indian and a Hindu...We faced Imperialism for over 200 yrs...But today as a Hindu i dont blame problems in Hindu and Indian society like child marriage,caste system,superstitious beliefs etc on British colonialism...They are gone but the problems in Hindu society are still there.and as a responsible and educated Hindu women i dont want to hide behind political correctness and not criticize it.
...caste system is the single most biggest threat.....poverty will always remain in India becos of inequality due to caste system..
Giriyas Caste system has become opposite in India. Indian government provides reservation in jobs and colleges for some backward classes. and trust me they aren't any backward. Tge higher castes have become poorer in some areas than the lower castes that get reservation.
yeah... i dont know... my Marvadi friend was dating her Sindhi boyfriend for a good 15 years since middleschool... and when it came to the question of marriage - he broke it off because his parents dont like Marvadi's.
On the other hand.. I have 5 Marathi cousins who are all, except one, married to Marvadi's and my own brother is with a punjabi girl. And I am dating a north eastern Khassi fella so....
Well said, Madame! See how important education is? It allows you to reason and see the truth. That is what worries me about Islam. They are trying to out breed all other societies, but they want to populate every country with ignorant, uneducated people, who are easily led. They don't want people to think for themselves so they have lots of children, whom they refuse to let be exposed to science and rational thought. Mind you, even education is no help when you are brainwashed. Mehdi Hasan is supposed to be an Oxford University fellow and he still believes that their prophet flew to heaven on a winged horse. Although, maybe he just said that, because he was scared of being slaughtered by some crazy fundamentalist from his own faith. Then, again, that so-called Oxford fellow praises that evil woman, Linda Sarsour, so I guess education is no guarantee of an open mind. But let me compliment you once again, Madame, on being able to see beyond the rhetoric to what is true.
Tashanmann05 it was you who I was praising. I hope you realised that. I wasn't praising the person whose reply was printed above mine. I couldn't understand what that person was saying
Asra Nomani is a Brilliant, sensible, wise woman, I wish there would be many more such as her in Muslim society.
We dont want women like her or ms Ayaan Ali, both in it for the money and the fame
you can have em !
We dont want these women in our community, you can keep this garbage...
@@badabingbadaboom80 you prefer young underage girls like mohammad I guess?
Asra is too good for them tbh.
@@badabingbadaboom80 pretty senseless comment. Ayaan Hirshi Ali is incredibly smart - She came to the Netherlands as a refugee, managed to learn Dutch very well and became a member of Parliament. While in this function she was the first to speak out against Female Genital Mutilation; sticking out her neck for Female Rights a Fatwa was issued against her, and after collaborating with Dutch Film Director Theo van Gogh on the the short Film “Fitna” which exposed some of the misogynistic verse in the Koran, she received death threats. Theo van Gogh had his throat slit while walking towards his son in ‘Vondel Park’ in Amsterdam and Ayaan would have been the next if she had not left the Country. Ayasn is a highly accomplished intellectual who always manages to stay calm, reasonable and polite, despite attacks by over emotional hijabis. Get your facts straight!
Asra is living in the 23rd century, she is so far ahead with her thinking it's to far ahead for these younger women. I'm sure if they have another 20yrs they might catch up. Wisdom takes time.
The young women who get up to speak are so deeply indoctrinated; Nomani is so articulate, she is so well studied and informed! I love that she says her religion & people of that faith must take responsibility for where they are. Excellent talk. The moderator was also excellent.
Nomani is still a muslim.. that makes her sound ridiculously hypocritical..
can ulook at some hijabi women also articulately expressing their belifs?
Hoda Katebi is the girl in the middle. Her Blog is supported or endorsed by teenvogue, TNT and MotherJones among others. She says in her blog "you cannot choose to be apolitical about your fashion choices". Yet she seems to have no real understanding of how dangerous and oppressive the hijab is. She clearly has a vested interest in making the wearing of the hijab a popular fashion trend and trying to assert that it's a political statement as well. Cha-ching!
She knows exactly what she's doing. "A year out of college, she heads up communications for the Chicago branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, [which says Trump’s immigration order targets Muslims directly]..." (brackets mine). Right there, your alarm bells should be going off: you don't work for CAIR , esp. in so public a position as communications head (and in CHI no less) without being very up on the issues. I agree that she came across in this panel as emotional and inarticulate, but that in no way demonstrates a failure to grasp the underlying issues or their significance. Never - esp. concerning this subject - judge by surface signs.
The slobbering article that makes its adulation of Ms Katebi embarrassingly clear - informing the reader how she is "working to bridge the gap between America and the Middle East" and condescendingly reminding us lower mortals that "Before you form an opinion on Islam, it helps to actually know the basics" (I think I shall be ill now) - can be found at www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/hoda-katebi-iran-muslim-fashion-chicago-cair-immigration/
As a side note, I regret that I cannot opine that Will Greenberg, the article's author, even remotely knows what he's talking about. You can be a competent interviewer, an experienced observer and a skilled writer, and still have your head completely up your arse regarding the subject at hand. Congratulations, Mr Greenberg - you get first prize. Oh, and you're a pompous, condescending little twit as well. In places like Syria, South Yemen, the Tribal Areas of Pakistan, Tehran, Somalia and parts of Nigeria they eat little men like you for breakfast. I believe those regions are all Muslim controlled, yes?
As time goes on, it's only become more clear that Asra Nomani was on the right side of this debate. What frustrates me the most is the fact that the woman in the middle probably grew up in a loving, "open-minded" home that led to her believing that wearing the hijab is always a woman's choice and nothing else.
You got it right
Bc for 99 percent it is. They choose to.
@@MN-br5nbtry to read the comment, and see how your fellow Muslim disagree to women oppression coz of your stupid religion btw it's fake asf Islam is faker than Christianity.
@@MN-br5nb it's not 99%. You clearly know it
I love this woman's honesty and valour! Asra Nomani is a wonderful roll model for Muslim women! Women of this faith need to stand up against this ideology!!!!
Asra is not our role model. We believe in looking upto our prophet's wife and his daughter. They are our role models! We wholly and solely believe in Islam and its fundamentals. Its time that we stand up against meaningless and superficial propoganda like THIS!
@@mohsinmujtaba7973 yup follow the 9 years old child wife of your prophet for morals and logic... Seems convincing
Takkiya! They are allowed to lie to protect their ideology.
Annika O'Brien , Taqiyya hun means in English to deceive .
Taqiyya doesn't exist. It's a made up construct that most islam haters have looked up and thought was a "gotcha". Turns out it's something that 3-4 Shiites said back in the day to avoid getting killed. It's not a concept or part of Islamic theology. Just a word idiots like to their around when they don't have a sound arguement
+saifMSK
Sura 3:28
Sura 16:106
not just allowed but instructed.
quran:
"allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your words, but for the intention in your hearts"
"unbelievers schemed and allah schemed against them, allah is the best of schemers"
"whoever disbelieved in Allah after his belief, theirs will be a great torment, except him whose heart has Faith but words hold disbelief"
"allah has already ordained for you the dissolution of your oaths"
hadith:
"o allah's apostle! would you like that I kill him? then allow me to say a false thing to deceive"
"the prophet said, 'war is deceit.' "
"Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible"
"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."
KilluaXIII if Muslims always lie then why did you bring this hadith forward claiming it to be the truth because you just said they always lie so clearly you’re contradicting yourself. Taqiyyah is not real and not taught in any Islamic school in the world that is a fact. But you westerners deny facts and believe lies. This is why you have 78 or 83 genders I forgot how many. Idiots
Fashion blogger is not a qualification for anything
Really. One doesn't even need a degree or experience for that. One only requires an over-inflated ego and lack of common sense.
Say in a very loud whisper: FASHION BLOGGER!🧕🐷
Yes
Hijab is the same as the foot banding in China over 100 years ago.
Not really- Hijab can be reversed.
But hijab did not make your hair or your head deformed but, foot binding did. Or perhaps there is actually someone who get their brain damaged after wearing hijab? Lol
@@ird4489 It is still dangerous and oppressive
@@formlesscorvid5336 Nope. It is only a piece of clothes. It is not even a living object. Oppresive and dangerous should refer to the people not the hijab. There are indeed some people who very strict about hijab but those who are very chill are also a lot. It is just like those who debate whether it is good to wear a bra or not. The cons would say bra is oppresive and dangerous while the pros would say it is healthy and needed to support. The same thing here is they are clothes.
@@ird4489 Yes well I don't get raped and blamed for it if I'm not wearing a bra. The hijab is oppressive.
So, 'meh pursunul feelings' are more important than discussing what consequences the hijab has for women in countries were it is mandatory?
Yep, that's feminism 101 right there :(
Natasja van Dijk except nomani I'd a self described feminist. these traits aren't the purview of feminists; it's the territory of confused millennials & hysterical useless pseudointellectuals. The constant attacks on feminism are tiresome for the very, very many of us who don't subscribe the the bullshit the TINY vocal minority is always shouting about.
lololol as a feminist i fucking LOL'ed
i hope we dont sound THAT stupid omg.
but its true, we need feminism you guys. If cultures like muslims exist... then sexism still obviously exists as well :p
Zoot Dragon
That's why there is now such general cynicism about feminism, it's vocal minority appears to support mohammedan nonsense like this, instead of roundly condemning the abominable misogynistic culture.
Vidar - I get that, but really lol I can see the beaurocratic dilema though - HIjabs are against feminism, but telling them to not wear a hijab is againt the freedom of choice, which we worked so hard to achieve.
So.... I think the offcial stance from feminists concerning Hijabis is that.... freedom cannot be achieved overnight.
At least theyve got a beauty blogger or two.
But these beauty blogging hijabis are so...like they have 0 arguments in their favour. Hopefully one day that reality might just convince them to take the damn thing off.
some people use hijab to oppress women, but the sole purpose of the hijab is a religious clothing garment. people can misuse objects, but why does that give you the right to re-name it and change its meaning? knives are used as tools everywhere and they are very beneficial and useful, they help us do things, but some people use knives to kill and as tools of oppression. How many people have been killed with knives throughout time, Isis has used knives to behead people, so (according to the flawed logic) that mean knives are symbols of death and oppression and we should all stop using it. in some places today, and lots of times in the past, houses were used to oppress women, forcing them to stay at home, work in the kitchen e.t.c, so since houses can symbolize oppression, forget the other good uses for houses, they symbolize this therefore women should never use them, and purchase them, and choose to live in them because they were used to oppress other women, and symbolized oppression in those individual situations. Moral of the story: anything can be used to oppress, they can be objects of oppression in certain circumstances but why does that overtake the identity and purpose of the object itself . everybody has their own individual perspective on things, what might be oppressive to you might not be oppressive to me because i choose it and its useful in my situation, so don't oppress me with your opinions :) and stop using this flawed logic to tear down hijab.
Whoever talking about vilification by US government please go to Soudi and express their opinions freely. They don’t have a choice there to wear hijab or not. You must be covered all the time. No one invited you to come to US.
Couldn't believe the woman in the audience came from Kenya and had the gal to complain about an American man's joke to a woman. like that equals anywhere near the rampant misogyny of Islamic countries.
Nunya I am here wondering which laws that are enacted are against women.....
And the way she tries to get sympathy votes by calling Kenya a 'poor' country is a weak move.
Head scarf is a sign of OPPRESSION. Period...
IAT1964
What about nuns sign of oppression also?
Nuns are part of an organization that has a dress code. They made a choice to join that organization.
nuns have a choice ... women from the Middle East don't
saying that nun wear is oppression is like saying that wearing a suit to business meetings is oppression also.
IAT1964
Oppression is so chic nowadays.
Indi Sinanov
Freedom of choice. Little girls in the Islamic world never had a choice.
Ah, this old thing.
The woman in the middle seat is such a bad liar.
She did not just blame the gender inequities of the Middle East on American imperialism, did she? My gosh. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
Must say i'm impressed with Asra"s calm and articulate way of talking. The drivel was like water of a ducks back.We need more public speakers like her .
I'll give Asra this - she's got guts. That community is one of the least kind to dissenters that has ever existed, if not the most. The other two, not much bravery or honesty at all.
As a wonderful impressive calm debater it must be excruciating for Asra Nomani to be confronted by aggression from people who have a hard time formulating reasonable arguments.
It is fascinating to watch her facial expressions of incredulity when trying to understand the blurred, irrational arguments put forward. Don't these people realise they make a complete fool out of themselves? There is no beauty without reason - and you can not cover up stupid.
So true. Its impressive to watch the patience this WOMAN practices when confronted with the irrationality of the other two hijab reppressed...women. Their strained..."logic"... Goes against ANY reasonable truth one could hope for.
no cause that fashion blogger was sitting there and looking at Asra with face full of disgust the whole time
big props to Asra, i could never
The issue isn't about taking away choice for women, it's about giving choice to those that do not have a choice.
Yes. I'm from Indonesia.. and I'm so sad with this pathetic condition in my country for these past years. I don't understand why women would submissively denigrating themselves for this sick ideology.
This sick ideology from allah.. probably u atheist by heart😂
In quran said women should cover their hair
At the end u gonna know why allah telling women to cover their hair, let pray its not gonna be too late
because we disagree on wether its a sick ideolgy or not
@@VixieShadowX_sngbrd_X ahmed deedat already talk about this.. men would looks a naked women rather than hijabi girl/roman catholic nuns.
@@fadlisuryanto8617 lol
about time France banned the head scarf! it was a long time coming! all of Europe needs to do the same!!!!
I don't really agree with banning something, because it will only make humans want it more, and it doesn't matter what it is as long as it seems unreachable to them. Though I think we mustn't celebrate it and allow it to die down
@@Den-jp4yu maybe, we shouldn’t be forced to adapt to it though... and Tunisia has banned it, they seem to be dealing ok with it.... also from what I can see people who follow that tradition seem to respect authoritarianism more than democratic means, look at the UK - not sure it has worked there
I don't agree that hijab is banned that is totally wrong and undemocratic it should be personal choice. I used to wear hijab but I don't now except to go to the Mosque or to pray, because I felt that I was wearing it to please other people and not for the correct reasons, but I believe that women should have the right to choose.
@@sevilla7ful some women cover their entire faces and even go as far as wearing gloves! really?! does this make sense? as u say u did it because ur culture coerced u... as it continues to do... it is very difficult to free ourselves from what we are brought up to believe... no matter how nonsensical it is, this isn't really to do with any one religion, it's more to do with people's tendencies to believe in whatever nonsense is passed down, but no good comes from allowing people to believe in nonsense unchallenged... not to mention that some women do not have a choice as u do...
It's not banned... It's only banned for people who work in public offices, public schools in the context of a concept named "laïcité" more linked to secularization. Otherwise, hijab is not forbidden unless you want to work in a public office.
In the other hand, khimar/burqa is forbidden in the streets for security matters.
Please don't mislead people about that...
What on earth is happening with the one in the middle? Not very smart and a strange jumped up body language.
The lady in the middle does not understand her religion deeply enough to debate it and shows a naivity in her speech. She is surface level 'Islam is whatever I choose it to be' depth. The lady on the left of the screen is thoughtful, calm, backed up by facts, addressing the true issue of womens rights with someone who propogates the anti-female stance that Islam has.
Quran 9:5 & Quran 4:34 are two verses that everyone should know of, as they highlight its barbarism.
Who organised this debate? I really wanted to hear from somebody who could really articulate her case but not this young woman. She seem to have no clue about facts of the world today. She should consider herself fortunate to be able to choose between wearing hijab and not wearing hijab. Millions of muslims around the world don't have that choice; they just have to wear them. She should not have been part of this discussion because she appears too naive and clueless. America imperialism??? Strange. People like her would be the first to scream their American citizenship. I have no problem if someone wants to defend her culture but here is someone who thinks every point made by the other is about her.
KWASI Otu she should to Pakistan
Imperialislam? Imperialislamophobia?
Ignorance is bliss... The Islamic ideology promotes ignorance or the modern world.
The cognitive dissonance was very striking, sadly from all sides, but mainly from the hijab-wearing stockholm syndrome sufferers.
why from all sides tho? please explain i wanna hear your opinion
@@26195 All the people involved in this delusion that making women wear the uniform of a violent religion will somehow cause peace.
@@renegadedalek5528 i’m atheist myself and i don’t understand why Asra is still muslim too but overall i agree with what she was saying here
so i don’t understand why did you say that cognitive dissonance was striking from all sides
@@26195 Because she is entertaining 2 contradictory ideas at the same time
@@renegadedalek5528 well, can’t argue with you on this one
No-one:
Literally no-one:
Not a single person I swear:
The girl in the middle: I am an Iranian hijabi fashion blogger
This debate is such a perfect example of the many videos that made about how to debate. Maintaining a calm demeanour immediately gives you credibility. It’s so important.
A religion that depends on clothing is a ''textile'' religion. A Sufi Shaik said: I didn't come to this world to care about dressing, my duty is about spirituality.
The woman in the middle clearly boiling in anger! LMAO
It's like one person operating within the framework of reason and honesty and the ability to see the big picture talking to a little emotional child completely unable to see beyond her own little world.
I'm Iranian and I'm embarrassed to hear this girl defends Hijab sitting in the USA
Come back dear and embrace Islam, Hijab, and human right in Iran
Whoa, the energy CHANGED when the girl in the middle started talking. Very defensive and uniformed.
Asra Normani is so eloquent and sharp. She understood exactly the angles everybody was coming from and called out their fallicious logic on the spot, which is a hard thing to do.
The problem with this video, is no one represents the woman who can't chose.
yeah but how you gonna represent that?
Lol wait - we could bring a man into the debate xD
the intellectual toddler in the middle should lose the attitude!
Asta Norman is amazing. I didn't know her before, but this video made me admire her. That rude girl in the middle is agressive... 🙄
The head covered woman is coming across has aggressive and hostile and I don't think men in Islam should get away with their responsibility of controlling their own sexual control and it's not fair to make a woman responsible for a man chooses to do.
She IS aggressive and hostile. And a liar, too.
Imagine if a Catholic got defensive and said "well, that doesn't represent me!" every time another Catholic said Priests who sexually abuse children should be stopped. Honestly, why do you think it's about you? If you cared about Muslims, women's rights, and GLBT people, wouldn't you want Islamism stopped?
The single most damaging confidence trick known to mankind .Foundation stones of sadistic and sexual dominance , prejudice and fear . Built on a bedrock of deceit ..
dumb poetry
We need to have these conversations more often. They are eye opening.
I love how this Islam apologetics are all from western countries and have only visited Muslim countries. If these western Muslim women live in Muslim countries they will see real oppression and how many women are fighting against it. The fact that she is showing a bit of hair, talks about hijab like it's fashion instead of a holy cloth, and has a social media account to speak about "politics" and shows herself on TV could get her stoned in a real Muslim country. Why don't we send them over there to see how they actually get treated by a "feminist" religion
Thank you for calling out the hypocrisy of Islam tell them thank you people need to wake up .I admire you. Keep up your good work goodluck
The more they talk, the more I want them gone
Roe Kemp - I'm with YOU ROE!!!
Lori Rhae All this Islamic/Muslim/Sharia awareness has caused me to do a ton of reading and I DO NOT like what I'm learning.
Roe Kemp - Nor do I Roe - I've always subscribed to the idea - Know your enemy and therefore have studied enough to grasp their ideology and motives. It is sick from the get-go and were it not such an oppressive totalitarian ethos, it would not have survived. Mohammed said - "I am made victorious through terror". What else do you need to know? It's EVIL!
Lori Rhae A muslim woman on a comment section sent me a link that described how being immersed in our culture puts their very salvation at risk with Allah. They do not belong here.
Roe Kemp - No, I'm afraid they do not belong anywhere. It isn't being immersed in our culture that puts them at risk. It's believing in their own. I know we are supposed to love them and try to help them see the truth - but I am still praying for that strength.
Would the Muslim women would be able to speak the way you are doing now?
I lost count of the times the female in the middle said 'you know' when she was talking.
Bish, I don't know. Please explain.
Bish, you are not *listening* to the woman on your right, who is a voice of reason. Yes, there are women who choose to wear the hijab, there are many who don't choose and are punished for not wearing it.
I take it that Asra still considers herself a Muslim? I agreed with her points about the hijab, but I fail to understand why she doesn't just leave the religion. Is it out of fear of being killed for apostasy?
+Mark Evans Maybe she has a faith in a creator & Islam is the medium she expresses that faith. I'm guessing her focus would be more on the Quran of Mecca (peaceful) rather than the Quran of Medina (Jihad).
You could ask the same thing about Maajid Nawaz. Why try to reform Islam, instead of just leaving it? Personally, I'm an atheist and I would generally prefer that anyone just left the nonsense of religion behind. However, when I look at the world around me, I have to admit that Islam does need reformation. And who would carry it out, if not people who think like them and _still_ identify as believers? So, in the end, I think that we need more Muslims of their kind. Fighting to reform Islam, in the context we live today, is a honorable cause in my book. I completely understand why some people would choose to follow this path, and they have my sympathy and my support - even though I don't share their (or any other) faith.
Agreed, they need much more internal pressure to change. They've been given a free ride and let their hate filled ideology spread in the form of radical terrorism like a cancer. While I don't understand why any woman would remain a muslim, they absolutely need thought leaders like this lady to lead a major reformation.
Maybe I've not read enough about Islam, but it seems to me to be unreformable. Because it's held out to be a perfect recitation of the word of God (through the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed) and is claimed to be perfect, how could it ever be in need of reform. I believe that is likely the thinking of a majority of Muslims, so a Reformation in the fashion of a Christian Reformation seems unlikely. Add to that all of the other texts which make up the core of the various Muslim sects, and the brutal way Mohammed tells Muslims to deal with disbelievers and it seems doubly doubtful that a softening of Islam is possible.
I definitely think threatened to be murdered if you leave a religion would apply pressure to stay. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has turned towards reformation and is constantly told since she's no longer Muslim, she no longer has any right to call for changes to a religion she no longer belongs to.
Wow!!! That Iranian woman dropped some Hiroshima bombs of knowledge on them girls!!! Eloquent, intelligent and calm. This woman is awesome 👏🏼
The Kenyan student spouted both BLM & SJW lies. The "only girl" in Math being told she can just sleep with the professor has been played on every sitcom for the last three decades. At least come up with something original.
In Hoda Katebi's fashion blog she also writes "Good fashion is feminist". I see. REally??? I guess I can sort of grasp what she's trying to do...she's trying to be a hip-modern-cutting-edge-young woman...but then she throws on the head scarf and ruins her credibility.
Moreover according to Qur'an, a man might be incited to molest her without the hijab...but the sight of her undeniably well-formed calf draped by a not-so-opaque fabric, as she sits pensively framed by the bay behind, is not supposed to be a problem.* Okay.
*Second image on page, link below, from the delightful Miss Katebi's post of 30 November 2015, entitled "Daydreaming". Pop down three more photos and you'll see that the skirt's hem is just below the knee - quite modest by Western standards, but paired with the claim of validity of hijab it's laughable.
www.joojooazad.com/2015/11/daydreaming.html
damn i love this Asra Nomani. please never stop speaking the truth
YSAmmo 🙏🏿👉🏿
They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..
They're not happy in Malaysia..
They're not happy in Indonesia..
SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada .
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in Hungary ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland .
They're happy in Denmark .
Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in
every country that is!
AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like.
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY
One of the best debates ... well, Asra's reasoning anyway. Thank you for sharing. Having grown up in an Islamic republic, I can attest to everything Asra shares in this debate.
The way the girl in the middle speak is insuportable.
The last girl asking a question, and "feeling patronised", yes, I can super relate to the sentiment of feeling patronised when dealing with Muslims, and they give MY change back to my male companion for example, or when I am travelling in Iran and am forced to wear a hijab even though it is hot and uncomfortable, or I am not allowed to enter a cafe there. No wonder she has such a keen sense of, and is so adept in spotting when she is being patronised, I can fully sympathise :)
wearing a hijab is like wearing a star of david armband. you may defend your freedom to do it, but you can't deny what it represents.
So what does it present? Other than modesty.
It reminds me of Samina Ali TED talk that hijab just means seclusion. Meaning being covered means you’re ,screening yourself off’ from others.
Hijab = submission
as an Iranian, i can confidentially say Hoda does not represent Iranian women in Iran, fighting for their right to clothing, she talks about "choice" in the west yet she knows very well for millions of women in Iran there is no choice. and the rest of the women don't even want to have that choice because they are being taught that there is only one way and that is the hijab and to question it is to question their entire belief system and that is an incredibly horrifying thought for religious and semi-religious Iranians. The amount of privilege Hoda has me shocked and baffled, she is living the dream of thousands of young Iranians to live in a country where freedom of speech is valued and protected! she talks about Iran having more women in universities which is true but then she forgets to mention that of all those educated women only a small portion make it to the work force related to their majors and other careers and the rest are forced to settle down for marriage due to inequality of pay and unsafe work environments. most women in Iran don't go to college to progress in their future careers, their upbringing has taught them that a higher education means a better husband!!
Really unfortunate that.
Iran produces some of the finest international students who make it big all over the world. Just goes to show if the same freedoms are afforded to you people back home, there could be a great deal of progress at Iran as well.
But you're right - as long as it is a choice it really doesn't matter what they wear. The only problem is it isn't free at all in Iran.
Good luck.
What an eloquent lovely lady with a mature attidude - no not the clueless one in the hijab who is just not seeing the bigger picture - talking about women wearing the hijab for different reasons - Yeah so many reasons NOT
Assimilate or bye bye.. abide by the law of the land or bye bye..simple!
Everyone keeps thinking that Asra is talking specifically about individuals who choose to wear the hijab, and they continue to be offended by what they think she's saying, but she's talking about the machine. She's talking about the women who DON'T have the choice. It's really nice when you have a choice as to what you wear, but when it's law, and when it's for their safety, it's not a choice. And that is what she's talking about. It's like Ben Affleck arguing Sam Harris on that show (which the name escapes me at the moment) about radical Islam, and Ben just hears Islamophobia, which is not what Sam was promoting at all.
Why on earth would they pair these two women together on the same stage?! Asra Nomani (on the left) is a respected and highly intelligent journalist, author, activist, teacher. The one in the middle? A hijab fashion blogger...seriously? This little girl has no knowledge. The hijab is not a fashion statement, or a fun game or a form of expression of independence.