Comparing Juno-X vs Original Juno-106: Patch Match From Scratch!
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The comparison you're dying to hear! Two synths enter, but only one will be crowned KING!
Ok actually they are both awesome machines, but today's experiment is to show of how close we can get the newly announced Juno-X to the classic 106 from 1984 that inspired it.
We'll start with a initialized patch and build the sounds up as closely as we possibly can.
That being said, my poor old 106 is approaching 40 years old now and it has its own set of quirks and issues. After about an hour the outputs start to crackle and a some of the faders and pots are a bit scratchy or skippy. Its still an amazing sounding instrument tho, and the Juno-X really holds up to that legacy.
Check it out! And let me know what you think.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:16 - Init patch
1:43 - Juno Chorus (brings my left output back from the dead!)
2:19 - Sub oscillators
3:09 - LFO pitch delay
3:48 - Saw waves
4:37 - LFO to PWM
5:52 - Filter comparison
7:10 - Envelopes
8:18 - Patch building break ❤️
9:10 - Double Junos for some reason
9:35 - Big poly sounds
10:06 - Exploring sounds
11:14 - Portamento slides
11:55 - Last sounds
Wow! Excellent comparison video! They sound so similar I'm really surprised how close it is! Thank you! 💙
You’re a good man Mr. Tuna!!!! Beautiful demonstration and comparison!
Thank you my friend!!
Hey Tony! Fun to see a friend on a synth nerd rabbit hole 😁
I closed my eyes and couldn't tell them apart. Great video, as always. 😀
The true test!!
I like the sound of the old one better in the higher octaves. In the middle and low octaves, Roland did a good job. Thank you for your video, very nice!
Agreed!
I thought that Juno-X sounded damned close. Really good. Impressive.
Sounds great man! Thanks for doing the comparison...
Every time people hate on the newer synths from Roland, I send em to your channel. They usually u turn on their initial feelings lol.
Even I was impressed when doing this vid- I honestly didn’t expect it to be this close
@@MakeMagic There's nothing wrong with it, I understand em. Being that these new products are based off of devices that are held in such high esteem,the comparison and love/hate is going to be there. I don't like using a PC, so the idea of the cloud in vintage looking chassis appeals to me. In the end as long as it sounds good and I can create with it, then I'm a happy man.
@@MakeMagic They aren't professional musicians, that's what it ultimately comes down to. Meaning they aren't also really our target market (for these tiers). The entire engine was built for a very specific purpose; which most of them omit out convenience to their bias. Pay it no mind, they don't really understand in general.
You're right for all intents and purposes for the actual live/professional user. Devices that are held in high esteem yes - in the past. We don't chase ghosts.
Great comparison and demo! But I love reading the comments and seeing so many people say things like "Nothing beats the warm vintage electronics of the 106. The 106 wins hands-down." In a raw or exposed comparison like this of course you're going to hear differences. There are so many variables, it's impossible to get them to sound perfectly the same. Yet in context in a song or live performance, I'm pretty sure not a single person would be able to tell if it's the 106 or X. Technology has come so far that in real-world applications the difference between vintage and emulation is negligible at best. No one cares if you're using true vintage electronics or not. Just chill and make good music with whatever works best.
What about musicians just wanting to make music with instruments that truly inspire them?
Of course the Juno X is perfect for gigs, but what about wanting to have inspiring instruments to play and create on?
And no Vst or digital emulation I’ve played or heard has ever truly solved the voice allocation differences between vintage analog synths and digital recreations. Play some 5 and 6 note chords on those machines and the difference will be immediately felt and heard. Nothing does vintage analog like vintage analog.
@@79GlitchDigital can’t inspire to create and play on? Absurd.
Love this video - very helpful. thanks
Thank you for a great comparison and demo with real musical examples. I have to say it's quite fantastic how similar the Juno-X sounds to the Juno-106. I have a 106 myself since the early 90's and it struck me instantly on both this and other UA-cam demos how Juno-ish the X sounds. And it looks great as well.
Thanks for the kind words really appreciate it!
Wow...the Juno 106 sounds so awesome!
FYI, with my headphones on, I can hear that your Juno 106 is having an issue with the Left channel output, that's where the crunch is coming from. Sounds like it just needs some fresh soldering, it's an easy fix if you ever feel like opening it up. Great video, thanks for a great comparison!
Great comparison, impressive work from Roland.
Many thanks!
Great comparison! Does the Juno X have an Assign Mode (Poly 1, Poly 2) like the 106? If yes, where can I find it? And do the built-in 106/60 models also support multiple PWM modes (incl. menu diving)? Or does this only apply to the Juno X model?
大好きです! 😁 As before thank you very much for your work. I share it with my friends and they appreciate it just as much as me. They have terrible english and are way too shy lol but we are all watching this release. Juno's specifically have been my gig/top board a very long time. Shizuoka is practically where my mother grew up (Roland HQ is based there now); with our heritage companies meaning a whole lot to us, as you no doubt are aware. The world is changing and a lot of people actually have seen your Jupiter X video and funny dances! Keep going. These are really useful!
Saw your line post. Yh these are brilliant tbf... have linked on a few forums now as I was waiting on this upload. This guy = great job.
Thank **you** so much for your appreciation and kindness it means the world to me. The first time I played a Juno I knew it was magic and I love to share it. I am not too far from Roland Canada headquarters and I love to visit when i can. Its an honour to be associated with such a legacy as rolands! Thanks again for watching 🧡
@@MRTUNA I so hope everyone will also encourage you and your success! It's so important for all of us to see the world get back to the music and things that we love after the past years. Roland themselves actually do actually watch...pretty much everything! As Gattobus will probably tell you lol. They will love this very much. It's so so great to think that these instruments bring everyone together around the world. And I love the idea that we all share them and share in the history. It's meant so much. Roland always have said that they see us all as part of the legacy and you're very welcome as part of that. Will be waiting for more videos!!
Well done! Thx for the time.😀
Happy to help my friend!
I'm really impressed, i looked away and i thought that has to be the 106 and then seeing your hands are on the X. The 106 has that sound of some older circuits but other than that you can hear the sound of the oscillators are so similar. I wanna get one now
I was really impressed. I gotta send my Juno out for some servicing eventually and maybe ill do another comparison afterwards
@@MRTUNA Perhaps, ... but for most of us (or let me say "for me") that won't be of any "great concern".
Considering all the advantages of the Juno-X, ...
We've landed at a nice airport, with plenty of Taxi's (figuratively speaking) to take one where they "want to go".
Plus, we're already
"Back to the future", as well.
It's like we're comparing two fine cheeses here, and the Juno-X pleases me well.
Just add a glass of wine, and I'm 'fine' with it all. (Kidding, but ... ) 😉
cool, will be interesting to watch and listen! so, how come you got your X so early?
Roland reached out to me about being a part of the launch for the synth and I was really happy to help out!
Greeeat comparison!!
Loved it when you yelled "It's a JUNO!!!!" This is why the Juno-X is my dream machine right now ...
Brilliant video as ever. Super close to my ears. Question for you tho - how does it compare to the ACB version I have with the System-8? Given the other ‘clothes’ this can wear I’m thinking of trading it in for this (seems much more immediate than the Jupiter X). Thanks!
definitely a much easier-to-use interface than the JPX, and without much sacrifice to the panel controls. I plan to do another direct comparison with the System-8 because I know people are dying to say the System-8 is the one to have, but I really really enjoying just 'playing' the JunoX.... its got some serious build quality and a ***Beautiful*** keybed to play on. its just a nicer experience, even if the System-8 is more nuanced and detailed, the JunoX just sounds 'GOOD' to me.
@@MRTUNA that would be great. I have a montage and the playing experience on that blows the S8 out the water. I do love my S8 and its sounds but it is a bit plasticky for sure. Enjoyment and how it feels to play is often overlooked and it’s good to hear and see you clearly enjoy the Juno X. Thanks again man.
@@lit3work I had the FA-06, as I understand the same keybed. I hated the insensitive keybed, but loved the FA, so I flipped it for a FA-07. Best decision, since the 1 cm shorter keys of FA-06, S8, Juno-DS are just a dealbreaker.
@@MRTUNA premium build quality would further explain the price, and a point that should be mentioned in reviews
@@patsonmusic thank you that’s really useful to know. Definitely interested in Juno X now. As I say, build quality is important and feel is a big part of an instrument for me.
This so far is the best demo comparison. Ive owned a Juno 106, and now a JU106. I wanted to hate the new Juno X.......and now I want one.
Great demo.
Thanks!
I ordered mine today. Sounds Incredible, My ears carnt tell the difference. Thank you Mr TUNA :)
You are very welcome!!
Since I remember you played a jupiter X a while ago. Can you tell if the Juno X has the same fantastic keybed as the Jupiter X? Or is it more similar to the System-8? Very good comparison! You made a good job!
if its not exactly the same as a JPX its very very very very close but i think its the same. The system-8 keybed is one of the worst parts about it!
@@MRTUNA Thank you! I will consider it the same feeling then :) I own a System-8 and loves everything about it except for the keybed. I think the System-8 keybed is the thing that makes it affordable. And I wish everyone that complains over Juno-X pricetag should instead be happy that pricetag is a bit higher for BETTER BUILD QUALITY! :) Thank you for taking time in making the videos and reply on comment!
@@MRTUNAFully agree! The 1 cm shorter keys make it hard to play the black keys properly.
Similar sounds, but the modulation depths and envelope settings/attack/decay shapes probably didn't match entirely (also I wonder if it's possible to limit polyphony to the same as the original 106 - note stealing has a big impact on the overall sound). In the end it doesn't matter that much, the X can no doubt produce a lot of nice sounds and can sound more analog with some detuning/modulation, the more important question to answer is does the UX suck or is it better than the Jupiter X/Xm. It certainly looks intuitive in terms of the panel for 106 style sounds, but the other synth models maybe have some menu diving e.g. for modulation assignments (and Roland menu diving is not so fun in my experience)? It would be interesting to test wide & slow pitch modulation on high notes with a saw wave to hear if there's any significant aliasing - I'd like to know the details of the waveform generation and if it's wave-table based, how much oversampling, internal sample rate, and what kind of sample point interpolation is used (I develop synth plugin software - so this is my concern, probably not so interesting for most folk). How about a comparison with the ACB version of the 106 model?
The Juno X perhaps is 2 percent different. However with its XLR outputs, higher polyphony, the ability to turn off the hiss on the chorus, and all the additional sounds makes it the best choice for someone who wants authentic Juno sound. I wonder if they made some mild updates on it over the Jupiter X to get closer to the Juno 106
Your points make sense, but for me I feel like why not just use their plugin if you’re not getting an analog synth? If I’m spending $2000 on hardware I want analog. Trust me a lot of these extra features are stuff you wouldn’t miss on analog synths. The Prophet 6 is my main Poly synth, It’s unbelievable and don’t ever feel limited. If I want to do some more complicated stuff I’ll use a plugin. If this Juno X hardware synth is using their Zen technology then it’s the same sound engine as the plugin anyway, so use the Juno plugin and put $2000 towards a use analog synth or a new Korg Prologue 16.
Also hardware is hardware right, with the plugin you can use 4 of them simultaneously if you want but you can’t do that with hardware. You need set up 2 tracks in your DAW (Midi & Audio) then play in the part, edit the midi, print the audio, move on to the next track. If you wanna go back and change something, you gotta do it all over again. If it’s not analog, it’s not worth the hassle of hardware and $2000 out of my bank account imo.
Awesome thanks for sharing they sound same to me
Thanks for making the comparison! I’ve never played a 106, I’d love to try both!
Its a really magical experience in front of an old original juno
Hey Mr. T - love your videos!
I am sad you didn’t do a unison mode comparison. Unison mode on the 106 sounds horrible. I wonder if they improved it on the X?
Oooh good thinking I never thought of that because I *never* *ever* use unison on the 106. I’ll do that in a new video- that’ll be interesting to check!
it's unlikely to sound bad just like supersaws by modern Roland gear lack the harshness and aliasing of the JP8000
Another highly creative synth by Roland, Thank you for showing us. Been trying to understand the need for a copy of a vintage synth for a decade now. Musicians want the "exact" sound duplicated...okay...for nostalgia or because you wanted one at the time and couldn't buy one. I understand this second chance at a synth you missed out on. For me it was the JD800 and the JP8080, but I don't buy old synths because I play them long and hard, and old synths are going to fail, I can't afford the repair costs, if repairable. I had an analog Juno and a 707 I bought new in the 80s. I didn't like them, I still don't, since I lived at that time there isn't a mystery to them, todays synths are far superior in creating new original sounds. I am always looking for highly sound creative synths, but not in the past. The analog resurgence of the 2000s showed me how well digital and analog can work together in creating new sounds never heard. Today I think the real skill of a keyboardist, besides being a master of their instrument, is understanding sound and effects design and the layering of different synths (analog and digital) and knowing ahead of time how they will sound together. (applies only to recording, stage use is, most the time, completely different).
excellent perspective on all this! I love my old analog synths but they are constantly in a state of disrepair
Do you think this will impact how much old Juno 106's sell for, and how frequently they'll sell? Timing is very interesting, since an old 106 was likely going to be my next studio purchase but this at least has me contemplating the X. We'll see where my head's at in a couple months. I'd love your thoughts MR TUNA
Own a Juno-60. I think you'll see a spike in price tbh as this has peaked more peoples interest. Maybe in a year or so when reviews etc settle down and people realise there's nothing in it... they might come down a bit. Personally, I'd buy an X or this. Way better options, works, warranty, and the 106 model nails my 60. I bought mine mostly as a center piece, like furniture. Otherwise I'd take the X or this any day.
So very close, for all the polyphony, no repair, other models, advanced arp does the last 1% difference matter? I have sensitive ears and sounds good.
Question of the day: Why wont Yamaha do a digital CS-80 ? The reface cp is ridiculously good
The reface series sounds amazing! I was really really impressed the first time I played them
@@MRTUNA bonus tip, mic up the speakers on the reface for added character.
You mean reface CS? Yeah its one of the best, sweet sounding VA in my opinion. And i have also Jupiter XM
@@keyhoarder The Reface, I have not gotten my hands on yet, but from the videos I have seen it seems extremely realistic and lifelike of a real analog, just big and warm. Maybe I should get one, I just hate the toy form factor that everyone seems to love now.
@@lorenmorgan1931 Try it. Reface is very well built, and the keybed feels really great, Maybe its the best small size keybed on the market. Far superior to toyish quality of microkorg, roland jd xi, akai mpk midi controllers etc.
I really like the Roland concept. If it was a bit tid cheaper it would be a no brainer. I will wait for an used one sometime in the future. By the way, there's nothing in the Roland website about voices. Do you know how many voices does it have? Can you access each part individually via midi? Nice video!
as far as the voices go, no one has actually told me what it is.... i understand like the jupiter-x it can have a max of 256, but that is split amongst parts and sometimes partials of parts....... VA filters take up a voice too? ive never actually hit the voice limit on the JPX or the Juno as far as I know, but its either 16 or 32 (or maybe more)
and yes you can definitely access each part via midi!
Nice video. I've got a Juno 60 and the Jupiter X basically nails that also. I love my 60, but there's nothing in it these days. I love the X's for their multitimbral approach, so powerful and fun
The only thing I havent been able to figure out on thet Juno is how to layer arps over pads! I can do it pretty easy on the Jupiter X (well not easy but by painful memory of trial and error the Juno has a mostly much better UI)
remarkably matched
Hi MR TUNA, can you please explain me how you save new "Scene"? I make it many time new sample and after i don,t now to save. Thank you
Great comparison. When I didn’t look I couldn’t hear a difference, except in the beginning when your 106 was still waking up. 😃
What I love most is that most people react positively in the comments, whereas on many forums there’s just a lot of bashing.
Yes there have been some very different reactions from communities, but its really nice to see people appreciating the similiarites and differences! I shared to some pages on facebook and they ate me alive!
Thanks for watching :)
@@MRTUNA Crazy Facebook folk.. 😂
Very close sounding, but the 106 seems to have just a slightly bit more bite or edge to the sound. The Juno-X is like the every so slightly more polite version of the two.
Ok seems like maybe the chorus on my original 106 is a bit wonk-city too! Out to the repair shop u go! (again)
I highly recommended sending your vintage synths to a specialist who futureproofs & restores Juno’s like Belltone Synthworks. If you do that you should only have to repair them once. They clean and fully restore. I did this with my Juno-106 & SH-101 and they are flawless now.
@@pliocenemusic8667 right now i am rotating a few through the shop--- gotta get my JX, SH and 106 all cleaned up and ready for another 30 yeras of love
@@pliocenemusic8667 definitely worth taking care of!
If you’re sending it out you may want to check the level switch on the back. That often contributes to crackling and/or distortion.
Excellent comparison. Any idea when the X releases. I've still not seen a release date anywhere
people are already getting their orders ive seen! it should be available!
Yep sounds really close and really good
Will you compare with the System 8 Juno plugout too?
Question. I see a lot of ppl are saying the original is better in terms of sound quality. So, have you tried this comparison using the X’s aging function? lol just curious if that helps.
Mr. Tuna thank Your for the comprasion. Can You tell me please the difference between the Jupiter-X and the Juno-X?
the only difference that matters is the user interface--- basically anything the JPX does the JunoX can do and vice versa. They come with different stock models, but you can load a Jupiter in to a Juno and a Juno60 into the Jupiter if you wanted. Im not sure if you can load the JunoX model into a Jupiter, but they have literally identical sound engines, and the juno takes what they learned from the JPX design and makes it an easier more accessible synth
@@MRTUNA Thank You very much Mister 😉👍
like it, very close and the expanded capabilities are phenomenal. The 106 edges it out in sound slightly however.... it is in the attack of the notes for me. The analog is more 3d and punchy and the digital is a bit more flat dynamically. The actual sound character is spot on though it just the analog jumps out at you ever so slightly. Would take the x without complaint and throw it into a punchy compressor to give it a bit more pop. Maybe there are some settings under the hood you can mess with too? How is the new 3.0 update for the Jupiter-x? I hear it is pretty good and they redesigned the menu to be much more friendly and fast, would you agree?
Agreed, this is virtually the same of what I was thinking, even on on how to make it match up more with the 106. There is definitely a few tricks up our sleeves that can make it just about spot on. If nothing else, this is a good board to develop on then maybe use a real 106 for final tracking if needed. just to take some wear and tear out of using an original.
Amazing Tuna, i have to buy this new synth immediately!!!
Glad to help a little my friend!
@@MRTUNA today my Juno-x arrived. Amazing sound, in my youth I had a 106. but the x sound better and no noise on the chorus. Finally!!!!
How many voices does the Juno-X have? If it’s over 8 voices then amazing! If it’s not then I’m thinking about buying the REV-2 16-Voice I desperately need pads. I have a Poly-D, JDXI and a Korg Minilogue.
It’s over 16 depending on how many layers…. 32 for a single model engine I believe
That new X sounds absolutely magnificent!! I can’t wait to get my hands on this 🤓
It really does! and it kinda shows off here why a 38 year old Juno 106 can be a bit of a pain sometimes :P
@@MRTUNA that old 106 still sounds like a dream, though…she’s got some real character 😌
@@Avesta. That can be matched with the condition knob on the Juno-X
@@epicon6 I figured it would have that, it’s something I’ve come to love about the Jupiter-X as well. I’m glad they brought that over
Don’t just buy a Roland System-8
Or get a subscription for the Zencore Pro it’s all the same sounds
This is the way to do a digital update to a classic...close enough to what made the original great (distinctive sound, solid build quality, easy knob per function interface), but with enough added modern features and flexibility to be the main board for a band or studio workhorse (depending on genre of course).
excellent put. I dont get why 'sound exactly the same' has to be it, because it sounds great!
Does it has seamless transition feature when changing the sound (like Fantom has) ?
My Xm does, so I'd imagine this would.
Sounds close, but nothing compare the smells of a warming 30y old juno electronics ^^ ;o)
LOL!
Just off of this comment alone I think I will wait and buy a vintage juno 😅
I'm sold, going to put in a preorder :)
The 106 sounded a little darker, I wonder if turning up the age parameter on the Juno X would darken the circuits and make it sound closer?
For this comparison the age and condition setting are set to whatever they are in an initialized patch (I’m assuming zero) I’ll check that and make sure there isn’t more to consider but that is really good thinking
I think “age” is a global function and I definitely have it at 0…. I think “condition” is part based but I’d be interested to know if it’s default was at 0. I’ll come back with an answer today or tomorrow
no I think the original sounds more defined. The top end on the x sounds sounds more hazy. Shame there wasn't more bass sounds
Much of the difference seems to be owing to differences in polyphony. Cutoffs after 6 notes (Juno-106) seem to "unclutter" the soundscape. The greater polyphony on the Juno-X leads to a perceived mushiness or lack of clarity. I think a "note limit" feature could clear this up.
That is actually a really thoughtful call...... I'm pretty sure you can do this on the JunoX. I'll check in and let you know
what is the voice polyphony of the juno x ?
@@oziaso9655 one million
I was wondering that but I think it is like the Jupiter-X up to 256.
Love the Juno-X! We did a side by side comparison on our channel, but unfortunately it was reviewed by a Guitar Center mnager...
It feels like the 106 goes to my ear, but the x reaches my heart. Like theres another dimension in the sound. And yet it sounds the same.
I don't know about you guys, but when I went to the other side of my office to grab some coffee, I wasn't looking at my monitor and I couldn't tell which was which. That being said, I'm falling in love with this synth, but I don't think I'm purchasing it yet. However I did contact a local ... music store, shall we say ... and they said they have something like 165 orders already.
Usually its because my old one does something weird where i can tell the difference between the two.... the X has a setting where you can 'age' it and it adds some randomness to the patches or simulations that degrade somehow but i havent really explored it. I think its something a lot of people are really going to like.
Curious to see a Juno-X vs Jupiter-X. Seems like the Juno-X is really a Jupiter-X in a Juno looking case with some limitations implemented in how many models can be played and expansions like Jupiter-8 and SH-101 need to be purchased separately.
Going to do that video next I think!
Oh, and how are the keys compared to the Jupiter X?
as far as i can tell---- they are the exact same. I hope im right about that but I'll be back at the studio tomorrow and have a chance to check it out again
can u use a software to control the x
Comparable to the jupiter x? Aren't they using the same engine?
pretty much exactly the same its just about the user interface!
To my 51 yr old ears they sound so closely identical, I couldn't hear enough difference to buy a analog instead of the Juno-X zen-core. I have both! I can't rely on my Juno-106 to behave like it did years ago. So I'm really satisfied with the X;)
Around when the resonance comes around it starts sound kind of different
I definitely hear that!
@@MRTUNA did you feel a difference in the low end between the two synths?
I'm really interested in the differences between the three Juno engines. I love the sound of the Juno but I dunno if I'm motivated enough to have that and an xm
I think if you've got an XM it would be pretty redundant unless you want the nice fullsized keys. pretty much any sound youve got in the juno you can get in the xm and vice versa!
If ypu have the Xm there is too much overlap between these two. I was actually pretty disappointed seeing the Juno-X announcement, because to me it was like a JP-X/Xm repackaged. Now I see some reasons for getting it. Having the Xm myself, I would choose either or, not both, depending on your needs and use. If I had the JP-X I would stick with that. I may exchange my Xm for a Juno-X at some point, but I also think the new OS 3.0 update is great for the Xm.
One advantage for Juno-X over Xm is aftertouch. Another physical controls.
For a live player it might even make sense to have the Xm and the Juno-X.
Having two separate keyboards (even though they are technically the same) gives more playing options.
For mere mortals (or drummers like me) having both is probably overkill, even though they would look lovely together. 😃
I pre-ordered the Juno-X because I much prefer sliders and the cleaner layout and will sell my Xm.
Also because I just loved my 106 and still regret selling it.
@@yongamusic Well, 2 separate keyboards may be a good thing, but the Xm keybed is sub-standard although an excellent minikeybed. You can play basses and leads, but forget about piano on a limited sensitivity 37-key keyboard. I would still choose only one due to the sound overlap in the Juno-X/Jup-X/Xm models, to get more variety sonically.
The vintage has that low end gooeyness, smoothness, and a bit more girth. The Juno X sounds thinner, airier, and brighter. For people that want some Juno-esque pads and chorus, the X is fine. I still prefer the vintage and ACB 106 sound.
100% this. the X sounds nasal in comparison.
Alland Byallo Agree. Also love your music Alland. 🥰
@@sub-jec-tiv hey thanks! new one's out friday :D
I'd like to get one too but I'm afraid that the (characteristic) background noise will bother me or create problems in the recordings
Thank you!
you are very welcome my friend!
@@MRTUNA If you would be kind and compare system 8 with Juno x sounds? Thanks. I wonder why you keep the System 8 when you have the Jupiter x as well. Thanks
Sounds great! But WHY did they add that silly 5 cm extra space at the right side of the keyboard 😭😭 - it just doesn't look right!
(that; and not using yellow for the chorus switches)
OK i didnt think about yellow for the chorus that would have been much better, but i did look at that space and wonder why????
I was actually asking myself the exact same question. It's most probably to make the integrated speakers fit in. Since the panel has more features than a SynthPlus HS-60/Juno-106S a little more space was required.
Very close. Usual filter action is spot on, for exemple. The only part that X doesn't have the "magic" is the long release where the 106 had a beautiful "singing" resonance that X almost doesn't have. But it's the kind of situation that is rare and specific in use and the myriad of resources X have that 106 not more than compensates for that.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🔊🔊🔊 Merci à vous, le Juno-X est un Juno-106 et bien plus encore !!!
damn, love the portamento on the original, otherwise very nice
great vid!
haha i should really put chapters on this one, I went to look and i had to skip around for a bit! I think i might have biffed my playing a bit on the x there but i agree--- the portamento on the original just kills.... its really unpredictable sometimes tho
@@MRTUNA unpredictable due to needing servicing? 🤣
I wonder, in a mix, how much the differences would make?
most people want be able to tell the difference...
@@Dewane1511 my thoughts exactly. The only thing really noticable in this UA-cam video is the filter when the res was cranked. For its price point I'd want something with analog filters over this, but still a fine lookin keybaord.
very interested to comparison to System-8 ACB engine (Juno-106, Juno-60)😀
Just posted the Juno 106 version!
Sounds super close, even by ACB modeling technology standards , which is around 2015 , on the early boutiques, they were extremely excellent at modeling Roland older Analogs. By now they have figured it out. The Zencore is good at analog emulation, like damn good. What's the JunoX, Zencore? Or something else?
Im gonna try to do an ACB comparison tonight!
I assume it's kind of pointless but i would like to hear if there any differences between Juno X and Jupiter X or will those two might in any way complement each other. I know both are Zen core based, both can loaded with similar virtual machines ...but since you have Juno in your hands.... ?
There is no capable difference between the two synths as they can both play the same models that are available on Roland Cloud, but the specific Jupiter-X model and the specific Juno-X model that is housed in either synth are unique to both at this point which i could definitely do a comparison on! but for example the Juno-106 engine that comes standard in both the JPX an the JunoX is 100% identical
@@MRTUNA Thanks. So basically for me no point to have both since i have JPX 👍👍
@@TheBebe666 Exactly, the overlap is probably 90-95 %, the rest is a matter of taste and preference.
Thanks for explaining as I already own the JPX and am honestly loving on it, too! I am kicking myself for selling my Original Jupiter 8 in the early 90’s for some odd $300.00 when going off to College 😢
The X would be not noticed in a mix, great sound. But yes that cranked resonance they are not getting the harmonics stick out so much like on the 106 but that’s it. Never been really interested in them but I can hear that slight difference. Do a little test by playing the filter for a nice sine wave. I’d be interested
good ears on that-- its really *really* rare that i crank the resonance up any higer than 40-50% on the synths but sometimes you just need that sscccream!
These are mind bogglingly close. There's definitely a slight difference that's more audible on some sounds more than others, but it's soooo close - granted no one would tell the difference in a proper mix anyway. Awesome demo as always, Mr. Tuna!
I was really surprised by how close I could get them! I think the biggest differences are in the filter but even then it still has that juno vibe. Its that chorus that makes or breaks it though!
@@MRTUNA - so the $50 million questions are: is it worth it to keep it? Do you think you’ll find use for it in your studio (or gigging)?
@@EnochLight for me I already have the Jupiter x which makes this synth very redundant in my studio soundwise, but for jamming with friends and going on gigs it’s just the better choice- I might keep it at home for having some sounds away from the studio. My studio is just a glorified jam space for me and my friends so I’ll probably keep it just because it’s so fun
I don't understand the andertones video, they sounded quite different, what are you doing that they weren't?
i watched a bit of the andertons video and it seems like maybe they have it gained waaay down so the vocals pop better
pretty noticeable the 106 sounds more "Raw" and the x sounds more smooth and polished and modern .. im with good studio headphones
i didnt even notice i was missing a whole channel on the 106 until the chorus kicked it back in! I love the sound of it though and i think the 106 does it justice in most ways
@@MRTUNA yea i was gonna point that out too but it did get fixed soon enough
Vintage 106 sounds more vibrant, alive and when the high resonance gets engaged on that slow envelope at 7:30 its game over for the digital X. I think this is where Zencore reaches its limits. ACB did the high resonance better. As Juno users know, that wild filter is where its really at (DP - Rollin & Scratchin !!). They did a good job on the hardware though, seems more inviting than the Jupiter-X.
Its definitely easier to use than the JPX, and I know in my heart the filter is closer on the System-8 but it still sounds like a great synth over in JunoX land (and is way nicer to play than both)
@@MRTUNA Yeah it's really a question of weighing the ups & downs. ACB sounds a bit better to me but you gain a lot with the X system vs Boutiques/System-8 both in design and polyphony/multi-part functionality. By the way, would be cool if you demo'd the new Juno-60 model too, not much out there about that one..
I don't hear a difference, really, so I think it's mostly in your head. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to know which one is which in a blind test.
I know that you know Juno X isZencore technology wrapped in a great historical shell and I I get it but damn it sounds so good and for those who are willing to do the deep dive menu stuff there’s so much more there things that people complain about but don’t want to put the work in to actually figure out how to utilize the workflow not me I’ll spend hours and days and weeks figuring it out I just have a love an affinity for this particular piece of gear and I’m gonna get every dollar out of it that I spent on it guaranteed so glad they created this piece!
Juno X gets very close, it's just that i feel like it has a slight compression whereas the 106 sounds very rich and free. Might just be me or the headphones I'm using. Anyway, thank you for the comparison video!
Could you do a comparison between Jupiter X and Juno X
will definitely spend some time on that, but know that it has the exact same sound engine in it, so its more about user interface than anything!
I think I will skip this one but will soon get my Fantom 8 and already have my Jupiter X. Should be a nice coupling.
definitely a good pair
Can you dim those chiclet buttons?
sounds super close if not exactly the same.
Hello mr tuna. Your juno 106 has a worn gain switcher that's why it crashes! It is a very common problem in junos. I recommend that you take it out and cancel that switcher system, bypassing it (you are left with the highest gain and you can continue controlling it with the volume potentiometer). I did it to mine thanks to my technician and it sounds hyper mega HD! You will not regret it! Greetings from Argentina!
THE JUNO X SUCKS
you are totally right on that gain switcher good call!
great demo, the X model sounds the same and the X has many more opportunities !
Listening on my most analytical earphones (Shure 425) and I only just hear the difference. It's 95%+ there for me. Having owned numerous vintage Rolands every single one of which developed critical issues, this is the one for me (but I'll wait a while, and won't be paying full RPP).
Grazie della comparazione, personalmente il juno 106 appena usci ed ebbi modo di provarlo fu amore a primo tocco sui tasti e da lì capì che sarebbe un sinty che avrebbe fatto storia
They are close but even from the init patches the x sounds boxier, the higher notes you play they seem to differ more, that D# at 0:27 sounds much nicer even in the init on the 106, and again at 3:24 sounds so much better on the 106, I think the envelopes sound snappier on the 106 also. But people have the choice this time. At least for now if you have the money for the juno X you could buy a vintage juno instead. (no doubt a better investment) Be nice to have heard the boutique in this comparison as well.
yeah ill probably get a chance to do a comparison with my system-8 early next week, thats got the same engine as the boutiques but we can do all the voices we need (and i dont have any boutiques)
Excellent comparison!!! Well Done!!!
The differences between the two are very small and subtle. If I were to listen to either of these two synths in the context of a musical composition also involving other instruments in the mix, I honestly would not be able to tell one from the other.
Despite the other negative comments I read here, I think Roland did a wonderful job recreating the Juno sound in the Juno X. They are remarkably close!!!
The Juno X filter was intentionally focused on warmth to mimic its predecessor. Very impressive.
Roland should have just made a system 8mk2 with this enclosure and keybed. While they’re at it make the chorus analog
I like this thing for what it is, but yes I would really like a System-80 (thats my name for the mk2)
@@MRTUNA Great name
i admit, im not a fan of the most modern Roland synths, but....... this one is nice! (cause i wish i bought that Juno 60 for about 200 euros , years ago and i love the Juno sound)
Pretty similar. The X has a modern sheen, the 106 sounds raw, if that makes sense. The filter in the extremes really sets them apart though. The 106 wins outright there imo. I prefer the 106 to do the 106 over all. That's said, the X has a lot more going on and perhaps that's worth 2k to some people. For me, it's a pass.
You can hear the aliasing on the high note of the X at 4:04, compared to the clean tone of the 106 at 4:08.
@@Dartagnan65 aliasing in a machine able to generate sounds at 96ksps? Are you serious? I think the difference you hear is due to slightly different parameters settings between the two, and/or the filters of the BBD chorus unit in the 106 that act as a strong LP.
It’s funny, they’re close, but when I close my eyes I always know which Is which. There’s more fuzz and imperfection in the original 106. I have a 106 I’ve used for 7 years daily, so I know it fairly well.
Nearly bought a 106 40 years ago(ish) got a computer instead - still work in IT industry - but also have synths - regret the 106 decision a bit. Those are two nice synths - would buy the new one if had to choose (for new features).
with so many Juno virtual clones I guess what's the point of this keyboard especially if the fantom 0 is also Zen core and cheaper? Couldn't you just save money and get a lifetime key for what's not in the fantom? The X sounds good so can't deny that.
The juno is more about performance than the fantom is... i really appreciate the 1/1 control face for the juno sound and the easy stack split layers. Fantom is really cool but there just too much menu digging for what i want to do on it. anyone that already has a fantom tho the JunoX is probably redundant unless you want something really cool on stage
@@MRTUNA thanks!
Love it! Sure it would be sweet to have an original, but the maintenance/cost that comes with that would be a pain.
The 106 is definitely my most tempermental vintage synth!
Maintenance isn't too bad if you keep it clean and play it periodically to keep sliders and buttons functional. The known chip issue is also pretty easy to fix with a jar of acetone and a soldering iron.
@@lo-firobotboy7112 Oh nice, have to look into it, thanks :)
If you have a Juno specialist restore & future proof it you should only have to repair a vintage model once. I had Belltone Synthworks do this for me and it is rock solid and better than it ever was new. Your local electronics repair shop will most likely not be able to do that for you.
@@pliocenemusic8667 I had it done 10 years ago my 106 has also been rock-solid ever since. The secret is to have the restored voice boards put back using sockets instead of soldering them directly to the motherboard. That way any future service is simply plug-n-play.