29:32 there is a way to make it 6 voice polyphonic. If you press edit under Unison Detune and scroll through the different voice settings you should see “Poly-6” which will limit it to 6 voices.
Haha thanks - I found it the day after I uploaded this!! So many options I must have scrolled straight past it. Really wish I’d found it earlier!! Hope you found some of it useful/interesting. Cheers.
Does Poly-6 mode on the DM12 effetely use 2 voices per note? Limiting the poly to match the Juno but is the juno using one or two voices per note? Essentially is this still actuate or different from the Juno?@@StarskyCarr
@@JoshRichmanDesign It still uses 1 voice per note, as with the 12 voice or 8 voice mode, but just limits the number voices to 6. This gives note stealing like the juno 106, while still limiting to the 2 oscillators per voice. So if you use Osc2 as a sub you're in Juno territory.
@@JoshRichmanDesign just wanted to add, so others who click on this answer can see, that selecting "unison-2" does indeed use 2 voices per note, which makes them thicker. Options for unison are "unison-1/2/3/4/6/12"
By far the BEST detailed video showing a TRUE comparison of the Juno-106 with the Deep mind 12. This is the video that tells us that Behringer has a winner here. We all would love to have the vintage gear, But honestly if the Deepmind 12 has the Roland chip in it for the true filters and can come 97 percent exact of the sounds, that's good enough for me to get those lush chorus tones from the 80's.
Very useful, thorough demo. I didn't realize deepmind was inspired by the 106 until I saw this video. It sounds just as good as the 106 to my ears, and I suppose it can do a lot more than the 106. Your video has convinced me to get me a deepmind. Thanks!
Super useful. Thanks for taking the time to show that "default Juno setup". Making this an init patch is an excellent workflow starting point. Appreciated.
I have been waiting for something like this. I got the DM 12D a few months ago and have just been preset surfing because I've just been more focused on songwriting. But I have wanted so bad to kind of dive in and make some vintage tones from scratch. This is such a wonderful lesson, thank you so much! Its such a daunting synth for a novice like myself, and having a roadmap like this is priceless! Tomorrow is my first day of in weeks, I'm going to treat myself to going through all of this. Thanks a bajillion 🖤🖤🖤
I've never owned a 106, but I do have the DeepMind 6 and it's an extraordinary achievement on Behringer's part. The menu-diving, such as it is, I thought would be off-putting, but it actually makes total sense when you're building sounds. You are building a sound and think, "Man, I just wish I could assign an ASDR to this parameter" or something, and then you realize it's right there for you. I've found it to be flexible and exciting to program. Also, the build quality is awesome (mine fell down a flight of stairs and still functions perfectly; a little worse for wear cosmetically though), and it feels great to handle. I know I sound like a shill for Behringer, but I think it's just incredible that you can get so much synth for your money. That said, if I were blindfolded, I think would prefer the 106 on a purely sonic level. And as soon as I find one in perfect condition for 500.00, I will buy one. **And thanks for the excellent post, by the way!**
Just great video. Never heard the Juno 106 "with the pants down" before. I have for a long time thought about buying a DM12. This made me wake up that thought again.
When I bought my Juno 106 in the late 90s, people were still saying it was a crappy DCO synth. But the 106 had something special about the sound (the chorus was part of it). We appreciate it now, Deepmind is not bad at all, I like the 12 voice desktop version personally!
Digitally controlled analog oscillators. A lot of people mistakenly thought it was “Digital Oscillators”. All these years later and the 106 is still beloved by so many. Maybe even more than the vastly superior Jupiter 8 just because of how affordable/common it was.
Just got my Deepmind 6 and followed this tutorial. Thankyou , i love these sounds. Such a good affordable synth. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge and love for these synths.
Waiting for my Deepmind 12 to arrive at the local shop. What a fantastic display of the Deepmind's extraordinary chameleon-like abilities. I'm more than excited to delve into these beautiful soundscapes.
Just struck a deal with someone on a secondhand site for the Deepmind 12D, going to pick it up tomorrow. Too bad so many of the demos I heard so far are drowning in fx. This demo shows how good it can sound without. Can't wait to make some of my own raw presets.
Great video!! You have definitely helped me make my decision on which Synthizer to get. I am very happy to say that I am the proud owner of a vintage Roland Juno-106.💪🏻😎👍🏻
Thank you for this. I have a knackered 106 in my closet, that I'm not willing to send out for repair (it's been there for years). I received a Deepmind 12 a few days ago, and it's wonderful. I knew it was supposed to be inspired by the 106, but didn't know how close it could match its sounds. And so much more. I love this thing!
You could practically buy 3 or four of these for the price of one Juno. I’d imagine that would put you in polysynth heaven if you stacked the sounds and used one controller. And plus you would never have to worry about voice chips going bad. Awesome demonstration 👌
Many thx for your excellent work! I owned a Juno 6 as my main keyboard in a band in the 1980s and (unfortunately) selled it for a more "modern" keyyboard in the 1990s :( I bought a Deepmind 12D a few weeks ago to get these sounds and with your video I might be able to get them :)
I loved my Juno-6 back in the day (my first synth, unless you count the Casio SK-1). I love my DM-12 today. If you lust after the vintage analogs, that's understandable, but if you have a DM just enjoy the awesome sounds and capabilities and how close it can get to the vintage Juno's at a fraction of todays prices, and much much more beyond; with twice the polyphony (I tend to stick to 12 voice poly, because having a 12 voice analog poly is just gorgeous for pads), a great mod matrix and excellent effects x4. Behringer really did a stellar job on it. These are great days for synths! Now, if only Uli could replace the Synthex I moronically sold decades ago...
Watching this video was very revealing to me, thank you a lot! If I, as a non purist keyboardist, consider the fact that the J106 is much harder to get and costs a lot more, and also that the DM12 offers generally a very wide range of sound modulation for a great value, I'm absolutely happy with the DM12. I'm just about to decide if or not to buy one, but I think I just made my decision...
I’ve got a 106 an enjoyed this comparison a lot. Seriously considering a deep mind 12 as well - especially because of what it does and the lovely but limited 106 can’t do. As dont think I’d like to take the 106 out of the studio either and you’ve really shown me how the deepmind is a great sounding modern alternative- especially if you need a performance synth! Thanks
The DM12 is a crazy powerful platform. Highly recommend the 'once upon a synth' channel's DM12 videos. He goes through building sounds from the ground up for all sorts of different tones, really taught me how to get started with, not only, subtractive synthesis, but also the DM12 in general. Def in love.
Thanks so much for your very good reviews. Because of your Behringer Mini D review I bought it...and because of your Deepmind 12 review I will buy it!!!
From my ears, it sounds like there’s some filtering going on with the deepmind. I hear about the same signal coming from both, despite the higher frequencies being cut on the deepmind. I have one, and I’m not an expert but I’ve heard it be as bright as the Juno. I feel like it could easily produce that sound with tweaks.
The 12D is my first jump into hardware poly after a bazillion years of various modular and mono. I've been getting lost into pads for days now.. dunno how I'll use em in a mix yet.. but nice to have em at my fingertips. Thanks for the lesson!
Thanks much for this - the first synth I owned was a 106 (it was stolen =P), so I bought the DM12d in lieu of buying another old 106. I saved the settings at the 6:43 mark as a Juno init patch.
The rate on the chorus of the deep mind on chorus 2 setting needs to be slightly faster and the depth needs to be turned up. That's the only difference. You can clearly hear the Juno 106 modulating, it's chorus effect it's turned up higher than the deep mind
Excellent video. Really good to see proper spectral and waveform analysis. I wasn't aware the 106 was the inspiration for the DM. As you've demonstrated - to my ears - how you can achieve very similar tones.
Awesome job dude, very in-depth! You basically convinced me to get a DM12D (I don't care about the keys, I prefer to use my external midi keys). Got an amazing deal for $449.99, super excited about it. Thanks!!!
I was in the same boat like you,i also have nice midi controllers,but I use them to control my modules only,there is a feeling of immediacy ,when pulling out my DM12 ,and just switch it on and start playing,don't have to reach out for a midi controller all the time,just plug and play.
Just listening through my cheap laptop speakers, the Saw comparison definitely shows a bit more "brightness" on the 106, but the Deepmind sounds like the volume is a bit lower as well. Otherwise, I've wanted a 106 for years, so I'm excited to get my Deepmind later this week and achieve similar sounds. Thanks for this comparison.
I have both of these synths and what it comes down to for me personally is the interface of the Juno 106. There is just something else there for me to be inspired. I really do believe the interface of a synth matters to creative flow. Both are great machines though. Great video as always.
Thanks. There is something great about an immediate interface. It’s part of what makes the 106 so special... and probably why everyone had one and could handle it enough to always get sensible tones from it. No accidentally knocking the cross mod into spaced out madness!
Having a single control per function is great for instant gratification, but it's not so great for flexibility. Almost all the control you have on a Juno-106 is directly available on the DM, and then it just adds a metric shit ton more with minimal menu diving. You can also get two of them new for the price of a single 2nd hand Juno-106. We're spoiled in 2020!
The difference for me is how it sits in a mix. Chromeo talk about the 106 and how much room it takes up in the mix. I used to fix audio equipment for a living and we fixed quite a few Junos. The Juno sounds great but it is definitely the big thick booming sound in the mix with the chorus. I play a lot of guitar and bass and I have quite a few synths. I’ve had a prophet 8, jx8p, jx-03,jp-08, Ultranova,microkorg, d-50, minibrute, neutron, reface cs, volca keys,bass,fm, m audio venom, op-1, circuit, minilogue, micro x, Korg triton, and micro moog. The Deepmind is thin and not as much to program as synths like the minilogue and reface cs but it sits in a mix wonderfully. Judged on its own it the Deepmind is not the most rewarding synth, but in my mixes it’s gold. The only other synth that fits that well is my monologue.
That’s a really good point. I had a Studio Electronics SE-1 for years, and although I loved the sound I rarely use it for exactly that reason. I’m a bit more adept at leaving some space now so the Minimoog doesn’t have those problems. The SE-1 completely dominated my supernova, JV2080, JP8000 and other 90,s classics!! ;)
James Reeno The reface cs had only one oscillator and still didn’t sit as well in a mix with guitars,bass, drums, and singing. I do some ambient and chill hop but no house,techno, or acid so other synths might fit better in those mixes. I think a singer songwriter who plays guitar will really appreciate the Deepmind in the mix.
Whether a synth sits well in a mix has nothing to do with whether it's got one or two or three oscillators. The DSI Prophet '08 and Prophet 6 both have two oscillators and sounds extremely different, even when you make patches on each of them as similar as possible. The Prophet 6 can easily kill all other synths in the mix, while the Prophet '08 most often fits in very well.
I just used the DM12 to do some overdubs, arps and pads in a busy mix. Once the sound is dialed in, all that is needed in DAW after recording, is a hi-pass filter. No further EQ needed. Also got a Neutron here, which is a bass monster - the 2 together sound absolutely fab!
That DM12 is a great synth. I'm glad I bought it. And the used price I got it for made it even a better purchase. Behringer is definitely killing it. Great comparison video. 👍👍👍👍👍
Your videos are always very detailed and thorough. You clearly know your stuff and I'm very impressed with your content. Fantastic stuff. Subscribed...Thank you!
That rounded shape to the saw is some highpass filtering or AC coupling in the signal path. It might not even be audibly attenuating any frequencies at that point but it still affects the shape. That's also the cause of the shape of the DM12's square. You mention it being due to the way the square is derived from the saw, but that is actually the case the squares in pretty much all VCO and DCO synths. The weird shape is caused by filtering in the signal path. My best guess is it's a difference in the way the highpass is implemented between the two. The Juno highpass switches between fixed filters with different cutoff points, so "off" is likely a true bypass. The DM12 one has a variable cutoff, so even when the HP is at minimum it will be filtering some sub 20Hz frequencies. This won't audibly affect the sound but it will remove DC components from waveforms giving you that appearance of the waves curving towards 0V.
I’ve owned several 106’s, a Jx-3p, & a Juno 6 at different times. I own a deepmind and did a similar comparison with my 3P. You can get reeeeaallly close to recreating the sounds of the others on the deepmind. I sold my Juno6 after I got the Tal plug-in though. It’s spot on. The deepmind is close, but it could be a monster with an updated chorus. As you mention in the video, the tal chorus plugin is superb. The deepmind is it’s own thing- poly chord- built in effects- exstensive modulation matrix- !aftertouch!- and polyphony will make it a future classic . I wish behringer had kept the push button patch recall though!, menu diving for presets is fine in the studio, but not so great live! - and the favorites menu isn’t much help-(User hint: if you want the immediacy of being able to turn on/off the chorus-or any effect, assign the wet/dry signal to one of the faders of env. 3 in the mod. Matrix😉-you’re welcome!)
I bought a DeepMind 12D last year. It sounds great and will give you a range of analog synth tones. I highly recommend that you go through the factory presets and sort out the good and ditch the bad. Then buy the sounds created and sold by AnalogAudio1 and Geosynths. Both designers were able to coax some sounds out of the DeepMind that i did not think were possible. The DM can do lush, warm strings, booming basses, awesome arpeggiations with lots of movement, almost FM-like plucks, great solo sounds, a few good organs, synthy electric pianos and even some brass that can nearly get into the Oberheim and Jupiter 8 territory.
Wonderful demonstration, thanks a lot man! I'm really impressed with the Deep Mind, especially considering the price for which you can get the 6 voice version today.
Very well job you've done! The accurate comparison between what is comparable. I've a Juno 6 original, so I love this modern one with actual technology. When I play my Juno, 6 not 60! , I enter the sound out in effects racks, sometimes I uses a web cam to register the presets I can't have of course. My practice is sound mapping, fat sounds, so for me all the modern adds on this Juno like is a dream we never realized before as I never had found money, and opportunity to have the 106.
You can also switch from the 4-Pole to the 2-Pole for the VCF. I've found the 2-Pole to give those highs that you were missing when comparing waveforms in the frequency analysis.
So nice to have a north west lad (if I'm not mistaken) making youtube videos I like. currently living in Leeds so it feels like a little bit of home... also synths!! yay
great pads - really does the Juno justice once you throw the chorus on top. this seems like a great synth for me to leave in my jam space for those spontaneous jam nights where I don't feel like going back to my apt to grab the moog. Great oscillators, 12 note polyphony and effects - and most of all relatively cheap for the great sounds.
Well, the drift parameters get you pretty close to (OB/P5) VCO territory, but the DM's sub is still just a square wave, and the DM's main DCO lacks a mix control for its waveforms. As for the CS80: no, not without the ribbon controller. Get a Hydrasynth plus DM-12 module, and you'll be smiling ; - )
Nice to see clear contents written for this video! Cool video. Not heard the DeepMind 12 before properly or the 106 really. Great video - one of the clearest synth demos that I have seen, no BS just right! I liked the sound at 9:09 when you played both together! Is that a Model D in the background, an original one or a new one? You mentioned the P6 and OB6 have you demoed those? I'm going to look at your other uploads!
I love both synths, but I have to say that I do hear a definite difference in tone. The 106 sounds a bit more intrusive and aggressive to my ears. The DeepMind can be a little punchier sometimes, but overall it’s smoother and tame.
I don't know I missed the portion of the video where you said what preset you started on to get the tone at 31:23, but what is it? I absolutely love it, thank you for making this video!
Your videos made me buy a DM 12 :) I was getting frustrated at first because I couldn't duplicate your sounds here with the same settings, but a firmware update fixed me up! Loving this synth and your videos. Thanks!
DEEPMIND 12 is the dream of my Old JUNO 6. 😍😍😍 LOL! So much things added by time, memories, effects, new features, He is not jealous, time is time, technology, prices... But as I'm a old 62 Grand Mother , and didn't have the money in the 90's to buy synths, I will not sold my Juno! It will stand ready to use sometimes, on dedicated stands in a room for 90's materials, and 95's 2000's computers working with old midi keyboards. I have also a Roland Sh 2000, need some job to sound well, but this mono instrument is already used by orchestral musicians on stage, for Bulgarian or Greek folklore!
I think the intention was more to show that the DM can sound exactly like a classic synth. I mean, folks have been touting the “nothing compares to a Moog/Jupiter/Juno/...” line for years. The point is the DM isn’t a modern gimmick that “just doesn’t quite sound the same”.
Really great tribute to a sound a many of us fell in love with back in the 80's as our introduction to synths. By the end of your video I was zoning out on the pads so hard my eyes got blurry! 8-o
During the chorus comparison part at the end, the Juno has this really pleasing sizzle on the top end which the DM never quite seems to get too. The sounds when theyre both more muted were identical to me though but I was wanting to see you try and reprogram the DM to emulate that top end sizzle after the not is heald for a couple of seconds and you never did. IDK if thats an issue for the DM or if it could be programed in. Kinda new to synths.. love the 106. But weary of buying something so old.
The "sizzle" is noise coming from the chorus unit. The 106 was noisy from the factory but nearly 40 years later, those capacitors are failing. If you want to replicate the noise, just have a droning white noise sound faintly in the background with the chorus enabled.
You've got 4 effect units to add sizzle or anything else. Check out the "mood filter" with notch filter option and/or EQ and you still have 2 slots left for the chorus and a great reverb.
I'm a "keyboardist", pianist or what have you, and I also prefer to have it off most of the time when creating synth patches. I created a separate "Default" patch with it turned off and then saved that so I can use it as a starting point whenever I please.
Yes it can.. I’ve got a few sound comparisons that I was going to add to this but it was getting too long. I’ll upload another vid with them and include Mr Fingers for you.
29:32 there is a way to make it 6 voice polyphonic. If you press edit under Unison Detune and scroll through the different voice settings you should see “Poly-6” which will limit it to 6 voices.
Haha thanks - I found it the day after I uploaded this!! So many options I must have scrolled straight past it. Really wish I’d found it earlier!! Hope you found some of it useful/interesting. Cheers.
Does Poly-6 mode on the DM12 effetely use 2 voices per note? Limiting the poly to match the Juno but is the juno using one or two voices per note? Essentially is this still actuate or different from the Juno?@@StarskyCarr
@@JoshRichmanDesign It still uses 1 voice per note, as with the 12 voice or 8 voice mode, but just limits the number voices to 6. This gives note stealing like the juno 106, while still limiting to the 2 oscillators per voice. So if you use Osc2 as a sub you're in Juno territory.
@@JoshRichmanDesign just wanted to add, so others who click on this answer can see, that selecting "unison-2" does indeed use 2 voices per note, which makes them thicker.
Options for unison are "unison-1/2/3/4/6/12"
@@marcosantacruz9086 There is option for Poly-6 and -8 which limits the voices that are used. Unison is different from this.
By far the BEST detailed video showing a TRUE comparison of the Juno-106 with the Deep mind 12. This is the video that tells us that Behringer has a winner here. We all would love to have the vintage gear, But honestly if the Deepmind 12 has the Roland chip in it for the true filters and can come 97 percent exact of the sounds, that's good enough for me to get those lush chorus tones from the 80's.
Very useful, thorough demo. I didn't realize deepmind was inspired by the 106 until I saw this video. It sounds just as good as the 106 to my ears, and I suppose it can do a lot more than the 106. Your video has convinced me to get me a deepmind. Thanks!
I think the original idea was recreate 106 but it developed little further than that
hey man you commented this 1 year ago still happy with your deepmind?
@@robbinhasseltof4428 Bump, would like to know also.
Yess update us!
Yes update us please!
Super useful. Thanks for taking the time to show that "default Juno setup". Making this an init patch is an excellent workflow starting point. Appreciated.
I have been waiting for something like this. I got the DM 12D a few months ago and have just been preset surfing because I've just been more focused on songwriting. But I have wanted so bad to kind of dive in and make some vintage tones from scratch. This is such a wonderful lesson, thank you so much! Its such a daunting synth for a novice like myself, and having a roadmap like this is priceless! Tomorrow is my first day of in weeks, I'm going to treat myself to going through all of this. Thanks a bajillion 🖤🖤🖤
This video really influenced my decision to buy a Deepmind 12. So glad I did. Thanks!
Great video! Good to see the Deepmind12 getting some love. Really is a fantastic synth.
Since the 106 there has been NOTHING that is as capable.
It’s a lot of fun. Of course it’s no Moog One but it doesn’t cost Eight Grand either!
I've never owned a 106, but I do have the DeepMind 6 and it's an extraordinary achievement on Behringer's part. The menu-diving, such as it is, I thought would be off-putting, but it actually makes total sense when you're building sounds. You are building a sound and think, "Man, I just wish I could assign an ASDR to this parameter" or something, and then you realize it's right there for you. I've found it to be flexible and exciting to program. Also, the build quality is awesome (mine fell down a flight of stairs and still functions perfectly; a little worse for wear cosmetically though), and it feels great to handle. I know I sound like a shill for Behringer, but I think it's just incredible that you can get so much synth for your money.
That said, if I were blindfolded, I think would prefer the 106 on a purely sonic level. And as soon as I find one in perfect condition for 500.00, I will buy one.
**And thanks for the excellent post, by the way!**
Just great video. Never heard the Juno 106 "with the pants down" before. I have for a long time thought about buying a DM12. This made me wake up that thought again.
When I bought my Juno 106 in the late 90s, people were still saying it was a crappy DCO synth. But the 106 had something special about the sound (the chorus was part of it). We appreciate it now, Deepmind is not bad at all, I like the 12 voice desktop version personally!
12D 🤘🏿
Digitally controlled analog oscillators. A lot of people mistakenly thought it was “Digital Oscillators”. All these years later and the 106 is still beloved by so many. Maybe even more than the vastly superior Jupiter 8 just because of how affordable/common it was.
Just got my Deepmind 6 and followed this tutorial. Thankyou , i love these sounds. Such a good affordable synth. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge and love for these synths.
Waiting for my Deepmind 12 to arrive at the local shop. What a fantastic display of the Deepmind's extraordinary chameleon-like abilities. I'm more than excited to delve into these beautiful soundscapes.
Is it as good as you expected?
Thanks brother for all of your hard work. We all so appreciate what you do for the community. Much respect!
I didn't really "get" the DM until I saw this. Seriously now considering selling my uninspiring Boutique JP-08 to help finance a DM.
Great video as ever. Just ordered a DeepMind 12D - I sold two Juno 106s as I didn't have room for them... this is the perfect solution!
Just struck a deal with someone on a secondhand site for the Deepmind 12D, going to pick it up tomorrow. Too bad so many of the demos I heard so far are drowning in fx. This demo shows how good it can sound without. Can't wait to make some of my own raw presets.
Hey Starsky, these demos are so invaluable. Thank you so much. I'm loving what berhinger and Music Tribe are doing ... good music making.
Great video!! You have definitely helped me make my decision on which Synthizer to get. I am very happy to say that I am the proud owner of a vintage Roland Juno-106.💪🏻😎👍🏻
Your videos are now my go to anytime I wanna learn anything about a synth.
Good to know thanks.
Thank you for this. I have a knackered 106 in my closet, that I'm not willing to send out for repair (it's been there for years). I received a Deepmind 12 a few days ago, and it's wonderful. I knew it was supposed to be inspired by the 106, but didn't know how close it could match its sounds. And so much more. I love this thing!
dude, i'll take your broken 106.
You could practically buy 3 or four of these for the price of one Juno. I’d imagine that would put you in polysynth heaven if you stacked the sounds and used one controller. And plus you would never have to worry about voice chips going bad. Awesome demonstration 👌
I bought two junos with price of deepmind12
@@lownrgy No you didn't.
I was also shocked by that chorus similarity - and lol'ed a bit because the moment I thought of TAL's plugin, you brought it up, haha.
The only Chorus VST anybody needs. Then for analog HW... the MF-108M Cluster Flux. Man it's too bad those were discontinued.
That TAL chorus is something else man. I almost think I overuse it.
Many thx for your excellent work! I owned a Juno 6 as my main keyboard in a band in the 1980s and (unfortunately) selled it for a more "modern" keyyboard in the 1990s :( I bought a Deepmind 12D a few weeks ago to get these sounds and with your video I might be able to get them :)
I loved my Juno-6 back in the day (my first synth, unless you count the Casio SK-1). I love my DM-12 today. If you lust after the vintage analogs, that's understandable, but if you have a DM just enjoy the awesome sounds and capabilities and how close it can get to the vintage Juno's at a fraction of todays prices, and much much more beyond; with twice the polyphony (I tend to stick to 12 voice poly, because having a 12 voice analog poly is just gorgeous for pads), a great mod matrix and excellent effects x4. Behringer really did a stellar job on it. These are great days for synths! Now, if only Uli could replace the Synthex I moronically sold decades ago...
Perfect, my thoughts exactly
Absolutely nice work!
your work proved this synth's ability.
I'm DeepMind12 owner too. Of course I'm enjoying this guy's power!
Watching this video was very revealing to me, thank you a lot! If I, as a non purist keyboardist, consider the fact that the J106 is much harder to get and costs a lot more, and also that the DM12 offers generally a very wide range of sound modulation for a great value, I'm absolutely happy with the DM12. I'm just about to decide if or not to buy one, but I think I just made my decision...
This is one of the beste DM12 tutorials I allready watched it 2 times, no preparing to do this on my deepmind 12, it sounds lovely
I’ve got a 106 an enjoyed this comparison a lot. Seriously considering a deep mind 12 as well - especially because of what it does and the lovely but limited 106 can’t do. As dont think I’d like to take the 106 out of the studio either and you’ve really shown me how the deepmind is a great sounding modern alternative- especially if you need a performance synth! Thanks
The DM12 is a crazy powerful platform. Highly recommend the 'once upon a synth' channel's DM12 videos. He goes through building sounds from the ground up for all sorts of different tones, really taught me how to get started with, not only, subtractive synthesis, but also the DM12 in general. Def in love.
Thanks so much for your very good reviews. Because of your Behringer Mini D review I bought it...and because of your Deepmind 12 review I will buy it!!!
Haha - a great responsibility indeed. I hope your wife/partner doesn't mind!!
haha! No problem there! I love the passion you put into it...very funny as well :)...thanks again!
The pad starting at 36:29 is all I needed to hear to finally want the Deepmind
This video sold me on it. Bought one, and after the init tweaks, I'm blown away. There's also a Mod Matrix unison hack to get 2 saws! It's a keeper
Could you explain how to do this?
@@offwork2162 See this video, but also the first comment - use "VCA Active" not "VCA ALL" ua-cam.com/video/6tQyOe9cedc/v-deo.html have fun!
From my ears, it sounds like there’s some filtering going on with the deepmind. I hear about the same signal coming from both, despite the higher frequencies being cut on the deepmind. I have one, and I’m not an expert but I’ve heard it be as bright as the Juno. I feel like it could easily produce that sound with tweaks.
TAL UNO-LX is worth checking out too on the iPad or VST plugin, I'm a former Juno 106 owner, and it is VERY close!
The 12D is my first jump into hardware poly after a bazillion years of various modular and mono. I've been getting lost into pads for days now.. dunno how I'll use em in a mix yet.. but nice to have em at my fingertips.
Thanks for the lesson!
Thanks much for this - the first synth I owned was a 106 (it was stolen =P), so I bought the DM12d in lieu of buying another old 106. I saved the settings at the 6:43 mark as a Juno init patch.
The rate on the chorus of the deep mind on chorus 2 setting needs to be slightly faster and the depth needs to be turned up. That's the only difference. You can clearly hear the Juno 106 modulating, it's chorus effect it's turned up higher than the deep mind
What a crazy insightful video. Thanks for making it!
The DM12 emulates the Juno 106 very good, great video. The added features on the DM12 really compliment the synth.
Man that Juno 106 sounds so good!!! You should make a Juno 106 sound bank for the Deepmind 12...
there is one sound bank of juno at deepmind 12 facebook page
Excellent video. Really good to see proper spectral and waveform analysis. I wasn't aware the 106 was the inspiration for the DM. As you've demonstrated - to my ears - how you can achieve very similar tones.
Outstanding study and demo, thank you for your dedication to that level !!!
Awesome job dude, very in-depth! You basically convinced me to get a DM12D (I don't care about the keys, I prefer to use my external midi keys). Got an amazing deal for $449.99, super excited about it. Thanks!!!
I was in the same boat like you,i also have nice midi controllers,but I use them to control my modules only,there is a feeling of immediacy ,when pulling out my DM12 ,and just switch it on and start playing,don't have to reach out for a midi controller all the time,just plug and play.
Great comparison, and demonstration of the DM capabilities. Many thanks 🙏🏻
Why anyone would pay over $2k for the original is beyond me. Behringer did a wicked job w this unit.
Just listening through my cheap laptop speakers, the Saw comparison definitely shows a bit more "brightness" on the 106, but the Deepmind sounds like the volume is a bit lower as well. Otherwise, I've wanted a 106 for years, so I'm excited to get my Deepmind later this week and achieve similar sounds. Thanks for this comparison.
thanks a lot ! i apreciate that with my low level of english I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU YEAAAAAHH !!! Viva Starsky !!!! Eres bueno !!!
Absolutely superb. Thank you.
What a great video, I hope Behringer have watched you sell them a few more thousand DM12’s!! I’ve ordered 1 👍
great video. as a new DM12 owner i'm really regretting selling my 106 years ago.
I have both of these synths and what it comes down to for me personally is the interface of the Juno 106. There is just something else there for me to be inspired. I really do believe the interface of a synth matters to creative flow. Both are great machines though. Great video as always.
Thanks. There is something great about an immediate interface. It’s part of what makes the 106 so special... and probably why everyone had one and could handle it enough to always get sensible tones from it. No accidentally knocking the cross mod into spaced out madness!
Having a single control per function is great for instant gratification, but it's not so great for flexibility. Almost all the control you have on a Juno-106 is directly available on the DM, and then it just adds a metric shit ton more with minimal menu diving. You can also get two of them new for the price of a single 2nd hand Juno-106. We're spoiled in 2020!
The difference for me is how it sits in a mix. Chromeo talk about the 106 and how much room it takes up in the mix. I used to fix audio equipment for a living and we fixed quite a few Junos. The Juno sounds great but it is definitely the big thick booming sound in the mix with the chorus. I play a lot of guitar and bass and I have quite a few synths. I’ve had a prophet 8, jx8p, jx-03,jp-08, Ultranova,microkorg, d-50, minibrute, neutron, reface cs, volca keys,bass,fm, m audio venom, op-1, circuit, minilogue, micro x, Korg triton, and micro moog. The Deepmind is thin and not as much to program as synths like the minilogue and reface cs but it sits in a mix wonderfully. Judged on its own it the Deepmind is not the most rewarding synth, but in my mixes it’s gold. The only other synth that fits that well is my monologue.
That’s a really good point. I had a Studio Electronics SE-1 for years, and although I loved the sound I rarely use it for exactly that reason. I’m a bit more adept at leaving some space now so the Minimoog doesn’t have those problems. The SE-1 completely dominated my supernova, JV2080, JP8000 and other 90,s classics!! ;)
Big Bad Wolf it does not take up space in any mix. Only ONE oscillator.
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The reface cs had only one oscillator and still didn’t sit as well in a mix with guitars,bass, drums, and singing. I do some ambient and chill hop but no house,techno, or acid so other synths might fit better in those mixes. I think a singer songwriter who plays guitar will really appreciate the Deepmind in the mix.
Whether a synth sits well in a mix has nothing to do with whether it's got one or two or three oscillators. The DSI Prophet '08 and Prophet 6 both have two oscillators and sounds extremely different, even when you make patches on each of them as similar as possible. The Prophet 6 can easily kill all other synths in the mix, while the Prophet '08 most often fits in very well.
I just used the DM12 to do some overdubs, arps and pads in a busy mix. Once the sound is dialed in, all that is needed in DAW after recording, is a hi-pass filter. No further EQ needed. Also got a Neutron here, which is a bass monster - the 2 together sound absolutely fab!
Love your vids. Keep em coming
That DM12 is a great synth. I'm glad I bought it. And the used price I got it for made it even a better purchase. Behringer is definitely killing it. Great comparison video. 👍👍👍👍👍
My first polysynth! Love it
Just have to say I’ve probably watched this video at least 3 times...
Very well done, thanks!
Your videos are always very detailed and thorough. You clearly know your stuff and I'm very impressed with your content. Fantastic stuff. Subscribed...Thank you!
I really appreciate these comparisons.
That rounded shape to the saw is some highpass filtering or AC coupling in the signal path. It might not even be audibly attenuating any frequencies at that point but it still affects the shape.
That's also the cause of the shape of the DM12's square. You mention it being due to the way the square is derived from the saw, but that is actually the case the squares in pretty much all VCO and DCO synths. The weird shape is caused by filtering in the signal path.
My best guess is it's a difference in the way the highpass is implemented between the two. The Juno highpass switches between fixed filters with different cutoff points, so "off" is likely a true bypass. The DM12 one has a variable cutoff, so even when the HP is at minimum it will be filtering some sub 20Hz frequencies. This won't audibly affect the sound but it will remove DC components from waveforms giving you that appearance of the waves curving towards 0V.
I’ve owned several 106’s, a Jx-3p, & a Juno 6 at different times. I own a deepmind and did a similar comparison with my 3P. You can get reeeeaallly close to recreating the sounds of the others on the deepmind. I sold my Juno6 after I got the Tal plug-in though. It’s spot on. The deepmind is close, but it could be a monster with an updated chorus. As you mention in the video, the tal chorus plugin is superb. The deepmind is it’s own thing- poly chord- built in effects- exstensive modulation matrix- !aftertouch!- and polyphony will make it a future classic . I wish behringer had kept the push button patch recall though!, menu diving for presets is fine in the studio, but not so great live! - and the favorites menu isn’t much help-(User hint: if you want the immediacy of being able to turn on/off the chorus-or any effect, assign the wet/dry signal to one of the faders of env. 3 in the mod. Matrix😉-you’re welcome!)
Fantastic and elaborate comapatiënten video. I never knew deepmind came so close. Subbed!
I bought a DeepMind 12D last year. It sounds great and will give you a range of analog synth tones. I highly recommend that you go through the factory presets and sort out the good and ditch the bad. Then buy the sounds created and sold by AnalogAudio1 and Geosynths. Both designers were able to coax some sounds out of the DeepMind that i did not think were possible.
The DM can do lush, warm strings, booming basses, awesome arpeggiations with lots of movement, almost FM-like plucks, great solo sounds, a few good organs, synthy electric pianos and even some brass that can nearly get into the Oberheim and Jupiter 8 territory.
Many thanks Starsky.
I've thoroughly enjoyed your comparison videos and would just like to pass on my appreciation.
Celtic Progeny thanks it’s nice to hear they’re useful I appreciate you letting me know.
Wonderful demonstration, thanks a lot man! I'm really impressed with the Deep Mind, especially considering the price for which you can get the 6 voice version today.
Thank you for this!! Excellent demo, sir.
Your synth comparison videos are amazing. I'm looking at buying my first hardware synth and they've been a huge help to me. Thanks!
THANK YOU! I bought a juno but it's not working properly so I have to give it back. I will go for a DM12 after your excellent video! thanks :)
fantastic comparison, thanks!!! it definitely made me decide where to put my money next :)
Thanks for the great tips like the Juno Chorus setting for Type 1 at speed of .4 and Type 2 speed of 1.5!!!
Very well job you've done! The accurate comparison between what is comparable. I've a Juno 6 original, so I love this modern one with actual technology. When I play my Juno, 6 not 60! , I enter the sound out in effects racks, sometimes I uses a web cam to register the presets I can't have of course. My practice is sound mapping, fat sounds, so for me all the modern adds on this Juno like is a dream we never realized before as I never had found money, and opportunity to have the 106.
You can also switch from the 4-Pole to the 2-Pole for the VCF. I've found the 2-Pole to give those highs that you were missing when comparing waveforms in the frequency analysis.
Yes!
They both sound great, don't they! Great video.
Really appreciate the in depth view on this thing. Ill be giving it a try for sure. Thanks!
So nice to have a north west lad (if I'm not mistaken) making youtube videos I like.
currently living in Leeds so it feels like a little bit of home... also synths!! yay
i bought the deepmind 12 ,very pleased for that kind of money
great pads - really does the Juno justice once you throw the chorus on top. this seems like a great synth for me to leave in my jam space for those spontaneous jam nights where I don't feel like going back to my apt to grab the moog. Great oscillators, 12 note polyphony and effects - and most of all relatively cheap for the great sounds.
Brilliant. We need more legend synth emulations by the deepmind. I m sure he can emulate OBx, P5 and CS80
Well, the drift parameters get you pretty close to (OB/P5) VCO territory, but the DM's sub is still just a square wave, and the DM's main DCO lacks a mix control for its waveforms. As for the CS80: no, not without the ribbon controller. Get a Hydrasynth plus DM-12 module, and you'll be smiling ; - )
Nice to see clear contents written for this video! Cool video. Not heard the DeepMind 12 before properly or the 106 really. Great video - one of the clearest synth demos that I have seen, no BS just right! I liked the sound at 9:09 when you played both together! Is that a Model D in the background, an original one or a new one? You mentioned the P6 and OB6 have you demoed those? I'm going to look at your other uploads!
lost it at "Sounds like it's been smoking for years" lmao
I love both synths, but I have to say that I do hear a definite difference in tone. The 106 sounds a bit more intrusive and aggressive to my ears. The DeepMind can be a little punchier sometimes, but overall it’s smoother and tame.
For the Price different, Deepmind Wins ;-)
what buying the juno 106, realizing you F#UP, makes you say.
@@caresseofficial6741 I got my juno for free! So I have no biases about its tone.
Great video! Thanks for your thorough comparison. I have always wanted a Juno, but now I can just save a couple thousand and get a Deepmind.
Yep, I would also say so. It's beautiful II
Excellent comparison, thank you!
NAILED IT.
5:20 I didn't even know the juno could make a sound like that. That's awesome
Dude I can find on your Ytube everything I need!
I don't know I missed the portion of the video where you said what preset you started on to get the tone at 31:23, but what is it? I absolutely love it, thank you for making this video!
106 has more bottom. How come these old buckets always have so much low end?
DM12 , a Juno series spirit with an affordable price, thx Behringer. Killer deal !
Your videos made me buy a DM 12 :)
I was getting frustrated at first because I couldn't duplicate your sounds here with the same settings, but a firmware update fixed me up!
Loving this synth and your videos. Thanks!
Very impressed with how similar the chorus sounds on the DM12.
DEEPMIND 12 is the dream of my Old JUNO 6. 😍😍😍 LOL! So much things added by time, memories, effects, new features, He is not jealous, time is time, technology, prices... But as I'm a old 62 Grand Mother , and didn't have the money in the 90's to buy synths, I will not sold my Juno! It will stand ready to use sometimes, on dedicated stands in a room for 90's materials, and 95's 2000's computers working with old midi keyboards. I have also a Roland Sh 2000, need some job to sound well, but this mono instrument is already used by orchestral musicians on stage, for Bulgarian or Greek folklore!
Yep. For a Juno x6x, Behringer - take my money.
Also TAL-U-NO-LX is good too.
Comparing a Juno with the DeepMind, with all his added features, is like watching Bruce Banner becoming Hulk.
I think the intention was more to show that the DM can sound exactly like a classic synth. I mean, folks have been touting the “nothing compares to a Moog/Jupiter/Juno/...” line for years. The point is the DM isn’t a modern gimmick that “just doesn’t quite sound the same”.
5:30 made me a believer.
Really great tribute to a sound a many of us fell in love with back in the 80's as our introduction to synths. By the end of your video I was zoning out on the pads so hard my eyes got blurry! 8-o
During the chorus comparison part at the end, the Juno has this really pleasing sizzle on the top end which the DM never quite seems to get too. The sounds when theyre both more muted were identical to me though but I was wanting to see you try and reprogram the DM to emulate that top end sizzle after the not is heald for a couple of seconds and you never did. IDK if thats an issue for the DM or if it could be programed in.
Kinda new to synths.. love the 106. But weary of buying something so old.
The "sizzle" is noise coming from the chorus unit. The 106 was noisy from the factory but nearly 40 years later, those capacitors are failing. If you want to replicate the noise, just have a droning white noise sound faintly in the background with the chorus enabled.
You've got 4 effect units to add sizzle or anything else. Check out the "mood filter" with notch filter option and/or EQ and you still have 2 slots left for the chorus and a great reverb.
Is very,very,very similar.. wow adoro Behringher
The velocity sensitivity being on by default is my peev with the dm. If I want velocity sensitivity I'll add it, and 90% of the time I don't want it.
It's on by default on almost anything that supports it.
Agreed, wish I could store my own init patch on it. Pretty please, Behringer?
I'm a "keyboardist", pianist or what have you, and I also prefer to have it off most of the time when creating synth patches. I created a separate "Default" patch with it turned off and then saved that so I can use it as a starting point whenever I please.
Love the way you say "dehhhrty"...
really impressed.
Can it do bouncey baselines as in mr fingers can you feel it?
Yes it can.. I’ve got a few sound comparisons that I was going to add to this but it was getting too long. I’ll upload another vid with them and include Mr Fingers for you.
Would also be really interested in a Bass sound comparison. The Juno can do such nice basses.
Oh yes that would be great to see how you do those basslines I own a Deepmind myself and I'm learning a lot from this