I appreciate how these guys are supportive of police officers, who have a miserable profession with loads of stress to keep all of us safe, while still acknowledging problems with existing law enforcement in this country.
For a lot of people their support for and criticism of law enforcement is out of a desire for better outcomes. It's little different than supporting armed forces but also being willing to criticize the activities that are not preferable.
@@iansimmons8826 , I was being sarcastic. That never seems to go over well in print. Even the SEALs have killed people by mistake. Look at Bob Kerrey's patrol that went south in Vietnam. Humans make mistakes.
And Tim and Jocko are the types of individuals that SHOULD be doing the job. Who do you want responding to your house at 3 am when someone is breaking in? Some college kid, or a combat veteran? That should tell you something about the unrealistic expectations placed upon the profession and why so many great people are no longer joining.
That stateent shows more about the person who said it. Lets stop playing like its a job who they didnt know was what it was. Its a thankless job but lets also stop pretending that problems exacerbated by sandbaggers who just get transferred around instead of being fired. That is due to the culture of protecting shit expecting it to become cream. Doesnt work that way and if you cant handle the stress of the job then imagine the people who have to constantly be profiled just because they "fit the decription". They might not be racist but they seem not to have a problem with them
aagreenidge I would argue that a lot of the cream of the crop is included in that 60% no longer applying. For the same reasons laid down in this video. And political talking points about the 1% of cops that get fired and then rehired somewhere else has nothing to do with that 60%. I am talking about the new hires: young people with options, training, education, personality skill sets that make them highly competitive in the private market. People who can handle themselves and are motivated to do the job, not just wear a duty belt and get free coffee. Why risk everything for a community that believes the media’s lies. And if someone is experiencing a higher than normal rate of police interactions because they “Fit a description.” They should take ownership of why they are fitting that description and work to change that. Because “The description” isn’t going to change. Military age males. The cause of nearly all preventable violent crime. Example: 1. Oh you’re harassing me because of my car. A: Get rid of the limo tint windows and turn down the music. 2. You’re just harassing me because of my tattoos. A. Maybe remove that face or neck tattoo that looks similar to what the gangs use to mark each other. 3. I’m not doing anything, why are you talking to me? A. Maybe when you enter a business you should take off your hat or hood and wave to the clerk working. Maybe the corner store, or late night joint isn’t the best place to spend your spare time. They attract lots of crime, therefore, lots of cops. A smile and wave will change your life.
And, frequently, human beings acting in an irrational manner. So a rational man, really has no way to predict what they are going to do. Half the time, the criminal doesn't even know what he is going to do until the second he does it. The prisons are not filled with the people who think things out before acting.
I think most cops have the time to train, where I work you’re only working 3-4 days. Pick a day to learn how to protect yourself because the training from the academy is so basic and easily forgotten over time
This is the most intelligent well stated discussion on police, training, and solutions on this topic. If the elected leaders gave the police more funding to get this training and brought people like these two in to provide solution based critiques, we would have even greater police. God bless all first responders and police. You have one hell of a hard job.
just went to Mactac training with Las Vegas Metro pd they were hamstrung by higher ups but got to do some force on force and it was the best training i have had in a long while.
That’s the difference between military and law enforcement. Military spends most of their time training then deploys for a set duration. Law enforcement is always “deployed” - understaffed and underpaid. Off time is spent grabbing overtime details or working to cover shortages. I’m retired (young) from a large agency with a successful career including special teams. We had state of the art training equipment, but still only one week per year for in service. Of that one week, one day of firearms, one day of defensive tactics. The rest was meeting state requirements for training like “protecting archeological sites” - human diversity” - “Legal Update and Case Law”. During that year, we needed to get (I was also a staff instructor) 2000 officers through the training. And again, we were a very large agency with an outstanding budget. As instructor cadre, we went to pretty much any instructor level school we wanted too - but that was limited to a handful of the overall department.
Thank you for this dialogue...!!!...as an inactive Marine, SCM instructor of Law Enforcement in the past...It is clear to me the issue is lack of proper training and physical/psychological conditioning... IT IS ALL ABOUT TRAINING!!!...WE NEED BETTER LAW ENFORCEMENT "ROLE PLAY FORCE ON FORCE" TRAINING...!!!!...Not less law enforcement!!! Criminals are taking over politics and our streets...Defunding police is moving us in the wrong direction...
I've always said a veteran with real combat experience would make the best police officers just for their single most invaluable skill which also happens to be overlooked. And that's the ability to accurately access a situation and respond appropriately. On the surface it sounds simple but I think people fail to comprehend how insanely fast things develop. How fast these assessment and reactions happen.
B M , they almost give that ex-DOD stuff away. Some of it they do just give away.You’re not going to be training anyone to do anything with the money they save from that.
This is old I remember when Jocko brought up this shooting. He’s talking about Dillon Taylor. It wasn’t as quite as simple as he had headphones in and couldn’t hear. Cops were responding to a man with a gun call. Taylor saw the cops turned around and started walking away. Cops told him to stop and Taylor and turned yelled “come on fool” at the cops. He then pulled up the front of his shirt while quickly reaching into his waistband acting like he was pulling a gun. Body camera video. ua-cam.com/video/o1UjKqzVDCw/v-deo.html
One very important point that gets left out of the equation more often than not, most departments are tiny, less than a dozen people. Small cities with next to nothing for structured systems. Some departments have literally one person, patrolling an entire county. I've been to regional training events where I'm talking to a deputy whose only back-up is the Game and Fish Warden, and that's IF they're in the area. What's needed, for both additional training and for background checks, is a regional cooperative structure where smaller agencies can support and utilize the deeper infrastructure of larger departments in their area of the State. There's always a "Hub Agency", the larger city in a section of a State, that could act as a training hub. We've done this ad-hoc before, someone sponsors a trainer and sends out a bulletin, but I'm talking about something organized and structured to be an extension for the State's extended learning board. We need it.
All true. I’m lucky that my department has been able to put together force on force training. Unfortunately our last large training session was several years ago. Covid then delayed it more. Luckily my new chief has it on his top priority list. For me personally, I’ve been lucky to make good relationships with other departments and have ready access to a few outdoor ranges plus ample ammo allotment from my department.
Training is so important and most departments as you point out don't have the time, money or manpower, when an officer is training he is not out working to keep the public safe.
I have completed 3 Force on Force courses with Sims. This video is very accurate to how it is. It’s extremely unpredictable, but it is the best training I have ever received.
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i’m a BJJ brown belt who went to GST level 1 that i paid for on my own. i was scheduled to go to level 2 but it was cancelled due to covid. my agency’s Use of Force policy is straight up garbage. it is just a quarterly check in the box for the agency that says they actually train their employees.
A few departments do sim training. It's not unheard of. My department does quite a bit of force on force training with sim rounds. Many departments do not do it, but some do.
The problem is when you start to have this type of training, the same people will double back around and now say you're trying to militarize the police, which will also be looked down upon. I can already see it. People like this find something wrong with everything.
Yea, my naive unexperienced opinion is the problem is cops going into a war-zone or war-zone mindset but without the training, mindset, systems to handle the crazy situations they get thrown into. And then there are communities where lots of kids grew up around cycles of trauma and gang violence - needing to act tough to stay alive. Put that instinct next to a rookie cop thats not prepared for it and its going to be trauma.
@big crunch your right and militarism is the right word when your giving them fucking tanks in shit. They're becoming extrajudicial paramilitary groups. They need soft skills training not more hand to hand combat shit.
I think the problem people have with the police being "militarized" is that they have those huge armored vehicles or stuff that seems unnecessary. Or even something as simple as wearing camo. Why does a cop need to wear camo? They aren't the army or military. They aren't in another country. They're right here in this country under city or state payroll serving American citizens. Point is, it doesn't look good. It says something. Now if there is actual good training from the military that can lead to a positive outcome for a cop, then that's great. The people just want to feel and be safe when they interact with a cop. Is that too much to ask for?
@@VibrationalLimerence if they were trained like the military and had the penalties the military has for when you fuck up and kill someone you shouldn't this issue would be no where near what it is.
As a retired le training officer I can say that very few are serious about training. Our tactical training time was cut in half due to injuries in training. Too many Officers are out of physical shape. It becomes a Union and workers comp issue.
We do Force on Force three times a year with Sim rounds and Air Soft. Live Use of Force situations, traffic stop scenarios and active shooter drills. However, very few other Departments around mine do anything of the sort.
For the record, we did three days of force on force training in my academy in 2020. Granted it was CO2 airsoft pistols because we didn’t have the budget for siminution , but I don’t think it’s as uncommon as they were saying. Most guys I know have done it at some point in their career. We had a yearly 1 day refresher on active shooter response. Not enough of course, but it was something at least. Great video as always tho.
I knew when I got out of the machine,I took the test passed them all,no problem. Mental psych,flying colors. My kid passed,had to go back across the pond,the afternoon of my psychology evaluation. Long flight makes ya think. On the way back home,I knew when I heard the Ice tea ,song about cops. Dating myself. I knew I was not cut out for law enforcement. I became a Funeral Director. It has done me well. Some of us just obay the laws & live by them. Enforcement it not for all of us tho we support all the good wholesome decent officers. Most who lack training, know it. Get better people.
Jocko and Tim I think you guys are spot on about the major lack of training but. There is one huge factor to consider about the guy who shot the iphone dude not taking cover. I've heard you guys criticize Police in the past for the same thing failure to take cover. One thing that may be different in Police vs the military is we are more concerned about the public being shot than ourselves. I have found myself being exposed to danger where the more tactical thing is clearly to seek cover but that tactic can lead to less visual on the bad guy which can lead to unarmed citizen being at an extreme risk. I've been a Police officer patrol unit for 10 years. I've had force on force training I was on SWAT teams in the past but still the training was lacking even then and force on force was not near as often as it should be. especially for just street cops. I wish you guys would get a cop on these podcast when this subject comes up just so you can get his take on the situation.
Thank you for the support Jocko. We do have a hard job. Remember brothers during these difficult times remember ... ""It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt.
My friend and I were discussing the training of Police vs military. In Afghanistan/Iraq, they can kick in a door and within .5 seconds distinguish a random goat herder vs an actual terrorist and resume accordingly.
Thanks for reposting when this has become a critical issue. I know it can be self-serving to get the views, but this is also the only way for you to spread the word on previously discussed topics.
So true about 82nd guys, guilty as charged 😂 we loved that SF was at Bragg because we got better training exactly because we got to do training with SF guys, and even if it was just playing OPFOR it was always great training.
I think an underrated factor in current policing is why these departments are so militarized in the first place is the public's access to guns (which is a good thing as it's our 2nd amendment, but that's not the point rn). There are several other reasons, including these militarized gear/vehicles being available for dirt cheap (provided by Congress), but the police have fears that any person they get called for could have a powerful gun (I mean, like an assault rifle or shotguns). Look at how long the 1997 North Hollywood shootout lasted because LAPD didn't have an answer for the two shooters who were decked out in body armor and had automatic AKs. No officer wants to be outgunned in a shootout like that
This is why you have specialized units for those instances, but overall the idea of the cops always outgunning the civilians shouldn’t be a standard. They aren’t going to war with the population, they are guardians of the population.
@@CorgiButter69 Who are they guarding the public from? I agree that the police shouldn't be outgunning the public out of fear, but it's not far fetched for them to be scared in the first place
@Matt I agree that being armed shouldn't be an excuse to militarize, but at the same time any apologist will be able to point at past incidents which give police an excuse to do so (the most obvious one being the aforementioned Hollywood shootout)
Andre Ingram aka DJ Screw RIP it’s a mentality I’m trying to bring a point to. They are guardians, not warriors. An officers job isn’t to be ahtopmsrically in warrior mode ready to attack anything. It leads to them seeing the civilian population as an entire potential enemy force. The guardian mentality sees the civilians as those who need to be protected and embraced. Which leads to a different kind of reactionary process. The problem with militarized police is that they are in a job where they have the power to end your life if they DEEM you are a threat (entirely subjective) , and are products of a very low training system that beats into their mind that they are warriors and are going “to war” every time they step onto the street. With all that combined, of course we have the current issues we are seeing amongst police and civilian relations,
@@CorgiButter69 I'm trynna shed light on one of these many reasons they have said mentality. As ridiculous as my original comment may be, it's still a real threat that one can't just ignore
One of the best ways people can support us is the way you drive. Y'all drive every day, and it's the most common interaction the average citizen will have with a cop in there life. Please, extend the respect you have for us to obeying a speed limit and using enough following distance (1 car length per 10MPH of speed). If you do those two things, you'll make cops' lives easier by cutting down on crashes and making it easier for us to concentrate on really bad drivers. (Granted, I'm just a traffic cop, but in 2018, my state had ~190 homicides, and ~630 fatal crashes. Only 1/3 are DUI kills. Respect physics, it doesn't give a warning).
It's almost impossible to have that much training as they discuss because those training hours = money that the police department cannot spend. In the military, everyone is under contract and salary. Military can force Soldiers to infinite work hours without extra pay, in horrible working environments in the name of "training" I.E. JRTC / NTC... In the civilian sector, that is a NO-GO. Civilians (Cops) actually have working rights, that simply would not fly. Thats the real world truth and im very surprised these two guys dont discuss this.
Perhaps one method to add to police doctrine, for confronting suspects, such as the kid with the hoodie and I-pod and headphones, is to spotlight the suspect with their tac-light.
Mandatory annual PT standards would be a great start. Lack of fitness is a prime reason for the escalation to intermediate and lethal force. The lack of confidence in ones physical fitness is a serious pitfall for many officers.
I don't agree with your statement, but if we were going to improve the citizens we would need to fully fund education and mental health in this country. The way you build a better citizen is to invest in them from cradle to the grave.
One problem I saw in police training is the brass often would not allow deviation from the script of what they saw as the scenario, so the cops being trained knew what was going to happen before the event, I would say you don't have any fore knowledge on the street so the training should be as realistic as possible and vary a bit each time no two calls will be exactly the same ever in real life.
Tim said, "just lay on the ground and have your lawyer figure it out later". This is one of the major misconceptions about getting stopped by law enforcement, is that even when we submit, there is still a massively high chance of being at least assaulted. Additionally, we don't have the money for a lawyer. We are also placed into such financially compromised positions that simply being arrested and incarcerated for a couple days could result in us getting fired from our jobs, since we are in a predominantly gig economy, and then having cascading effects. I knew a guy who got pulled over and arrested for marijuana, cop claimed he consumed it and was dui, he was an accountant and the lawsuit took so long to demonstrate his innocence that he had lost his job, housing, vehicle, and by the time he was released as innocent, had nothing to return to. He ended up unhoused, and since LA is fucked, sanitation took all of his personal documents when they cleared his tent in the corner of a park while he was at a job interview. This is why so many people run or try to advocate for their rights. We should have a society that follows laws and order, but we can't have that if the enforcers of the law are so ill trained and ill equipped mentally to even know the law they're supposed to enforce.
Jocko the NCSHP has a DT instructor who is a black belt in Jiu Jitsu, has did plenty of trading with the Gracies, Greg Thompson, and some SF guys in Fort Bragg. One of the better tools they had for ground fighting that the NCSHP thought its Troopers was the vascular neck restraint. No deaths in NCSHP history of using it and since George Floyd incident they can no longer use it. The point is that the public is hollering for more and better training but they are taking the training tools away because of public perception. That was a restraint that puts the bad guy to sleep for 5 seconds so they can get the cuffs on them and there is no scratches, bumps or anything. And not to mention every Trooper has to have it done to them before they graduate so they know what it’s like and they know that it is safe. But they still take it away. The public doesn’t know about actual training. And just because something looks “bad” even though it isn’t they remove it. They are taking training tools away so now these Troopers have to fight longer and harder just to get people in cuffs.
My son had headphones because of bullies to cut their snipes out so he didn't here them could relax wasn't on his toes trigger happy at every one it kinda was attempt to detach from them something happy. Something that' can't be picked on. Wish they'd sell bulet proof vests more that orange stuff on Ted Ex talks that leg too that goes up and down.
True on the mental but we are leaving out the racism problem too. As military police I have seen how it is a person more than a training. Talking about who had more tickets. Never heard of racism in military though for the reason though but knew full and we'll who was, especially being white and the others thinking I think that way too. Wrong. You guys are exactly right on those who are too stressed to really think though.
As a combat veteran and a former municipal police officer, I take issue with Jockos "...don't stand out in the open, take cover and watch him." comment. Cops must make contact with the suspect. We must speak with them, get ID from them, and most importantly we must prevent them from fleeing. We can't do that if we are hiding behind a car, or a building. Applying combat tactics to police work is a grand mistake. The two worlds are not the same.
@@TheKbthakur Again, not something cops can afford to do. Cops can't hide while the possibly armed suspect escapes, grabs a hostage, starts shooting into businesses, etc. Soldiers can take cover when they think someone has a gun. Cops are bound to take that person into custody, alone if need be.
The Thing is with some Cops are more a Liability then a Accent to the Community period. From Self Defense Skills, Shooting, Negotiations, then to top it off The Public That Won’t Stand Behind The Police Officers.
Oh police departments have the funding. Maybe small towns PD/Sheriffs/Constables doesn't but metropolitan areas sure do. But instead of spending their money on training and paid training time, the departments just buys more new toys so they can look like Jocko and Tim. When was the last time Police in the U.S has to deal with IED to justify the need for the MRAPs? Those things ranges from 300k-500k each depending on the toys that comes with them, metropolitan PDs have a multiple ones and they buy expensive rifles with fancy accessories on them and yet most of them are atrocious at shooting. The aura of a cop that has good training (usually it is on their own dime) is way different than that of those who just want to do the minimum.
Most police departments actually get those for free on loan/donated from the military. They are an essential tool for armed barricaded subjects, officer down rescue, or working in areas without any real cover. If you were being shot at which would you prefer to be standing behind? If that piece of equipment were to save one life, be it officer, victim, bystander, and even the "bad guy" would it not be worth it?
And what about the maintenance cost for them? You think a PD really has the training to work and maintain one? Or are they going to be using contractors that charges ton to do so? I like doing contractor works but because of the loan programs you both have addressed this means more bloated defense budget and wasteful spending, see it every year when fiscal year is about to end and the command would find ways to spend their entire remaining budget. Even when they need a vehicle to do entry, there are already vehicles in their inventory that can do that. From how yall reply I can make a confident bet that you are conservative/republican, so how is using tax payer's money to expand military spending to trickle down to these PD conservative/pro small government? Seems pretty socialist to me the way you're ok with government spending people's money just as long as it is in line with the thing you support and continue to making government bigger.
Coming from experience. The Military does not prioritize H2H training because as Infantry, we will have our primary weapon pointing downrange 100% of the time when in theater, wherever we go. The priority for H2H training is way low because if you see a badguy, you are going to shoot him. We spend a ridiculous amount of time training in shooting skills. If you can't shoot him for some reason (misfire, empty mag, etc.), one of your battle buddies will. If you ever have to contend with an enemy in hand-to-hand, something has gone very wrong. But in those instances you are going to rely upon your trained hand-to-hand, and superior physical strength to just overpower them with unrestrained aggression. If you have to bludgeon them with the muzzle of your M16A4, then that's what you'll do. If you have to bludgeon them with your kevlar (helmet), then that's what you'll do. The Mcmap program has solid tecnniques. The issue is that no commander cares about regular training in unarmed combat due to all the other combat aspects we need to train in. It's treated like an after thought.
What confused me the most is Jocko said hed be in jail if he was a cop, but he was a Navy Seal dealing with similar stressful situations. Jocko has a good understanding on how to handle situations, judging by this podcast..so I dont get why he think hed be a horrible cop.
Different rules, different environment, different cultures. It's like going from being a professional basketball player switching to football. Sure, your athleticism and other things will still translate over, but it's still an entirely different game with different rules and standards. And that's before things get political
This will never get fixed Jocko. Depts and agencies are too cheap to pay for advanced and continuous training. No dept/agency would take their people off the field one day a week for training. Some LEOs get lazy after the academy.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 yes agreed. And have true live training. Tim Kennedy is developing a VR headset judgement training. That won't work either. You need to get people's heart rates up and make them use their muscles.
Let's talk training. When was the last time the public education system educated students on how to behave during police initiated contact. Why does it makes so much sense to do that? Because to me it really does. I don't think there's any reason that I school should not be teaching Modern Survival tactics. By Modern Survival I do mean first world survival tactics.
They don’t want to have contact with the public. They rather just ride around. It’s real easy, don’t do things that draws their attention or causes fellow citizens to call them on you. Try and be a good citizen! It’s not that hard!
Here is the inherent problem police are forced to deal with. In the U.S. there are two ways the state can legally put a citizen to death. One is through the courts, and a jury. When it happens that way, it takes fifteen to twenty five years for it to actually happen (if at all), and hundreds of people review the circumstances in their leisure, and with the opportunity to take as long as they need to make the right decision. The other way, is when a police officer has to use deadly force, and has to make the same decision, but in a second or less. Which one is more likely to get it wrong occasionally? And, yet, the courts still manage to get it wrong from time to time. Why do we expect a police officer, acting in a second, to never get it wrong?
“I want to save this guys life but it’s not gonna happen” Definitely one of the worst things that could happen to a human being, hope I never experience it.
I appreciate how these guys are supportive of police officers, who have a miserable profession with loads of stress to keep all of us safe, while still acknowledging problems with existing law enforcement in this country.
For a lot of people their support for and criticism of law enforcement is out of a desire for better outcomes. It's little different than supporting armed forces but also being willing to criticize the activities that are not preferable.
If they had jocko training, 90% of cops would be as good as military
@@glennl2871 , because the military has never killed anybody by mistake.
ralph holiman Oh yeah they have ... it’s called blue on blue.
@@iansimmons8826 , I was being sarcastic. That never seems to go over well in print. Even the SEALs have killed people by mistake. Look at Bob Kerrey's patrol that went south in Vietnam. Humans make mistakes.
“Could never do it I’d be in jail” Such a true statement.
And Tim and Jocko are the types of individuals that SHOULD be doing the job. Who do you want responding to your house at 3 am when someone is breaking in? Some college kid, or a combat veteran? That should tell you something about the unrealistic expectations placed upon the profession and why so many great people are no longer joining.
@@lynkriger Veteran's have done their fighting overseas, for you. Now it's your turn to defend the homeland the veteran's fought for.
From The Public Law enforcement applications are down 60%. Who are we hiring now to defend the homeland?
That stateent shows more about the person who said it. Lets stop playing like its a job who they didnt know was what it was. Its a thankless job but lets also stop pretending that problems exacerbated by sandbaggers who just get transferred around instead of being fired. That is due to the culture of protecting shit expecting it to become cream. Doesnt work that way and if you cant handle the stress of the job then imagine the people who have to constantly be profiled just because they "fit the decription". They might not be racist but they seem not to have a problem with them
aagreenidge I would argue that a lot of the cream of the crop is included in that 60% no longer applying. For the same reasons laid down in this video. And political talking points about the 1% of cops that get fired and then rehired somewhere else has nothing to do with that 60%. I am talking about the new hires: young people with options, training, education, personality skill sets that make them highly competitive in the private market. People who can handle themselves and are motivated to do the job, not just wear a duty belt and get free coffee. Why risk everything for a community that believes the media’s lies.
And if someone is experiencing a higher than normal rate of police interactions because they “Fit a description.” They should take ownership of why they are fitting that description and work to change that. Because “The description” isn’t going to change.
Military age males. The cause of nearly all preventable violent crime.
Example:
1. Oh you’re harassing me because of my car. A: Get rid of the limo tint windows and turn down the music.
2. You’re just harassing me because of my tattoos. A. Maybe remove that face or neck tattoo that looks similar to what the gangs use to mark each other.
3. I’m not doing anything, why are you talking to me? A. Maybe when you enter a business you should take off your hat or hood and wave to the clerk working. Maybe the corner store, or late night joint isn’t the best place to spend your spare time. They attract lots of crime, therefore, lots of cops.
A smile and wave will change your life.
“You’re going against unpredictable human beings.” Accurate!
And, frequently, human beings acting in an irrational manner. So a rational man, really has no way to predict what they are going to do. Half the time, the criminal doesn't even know what he is going to do until the second he does it. The prisons are not filled with the people who think things out before acting.
I thought most interactions were peaceful
Alex Kellogg , they are. It’s the ones that are not that kill you.
@@ralphholiman7401 die a hero > murder a civilian
Alex Kellogg who dies a hero?
Cheers yall have a great weekend.
We lack three things. Time, money and this doesn't apply to everyone but the willingness to train.
My gym offers a free class to cops, one hour a week on the weekends so theres really no excuse
I think most cops have the time to train, where I work you’re only working 3-4 days. Pick a day to learn how to protect yourself because the training from the academy is so basic and easily forgotten over time
@David Ghunaim they pressure their coworkers to do it, every cop that gets their ego smashed by a feisty white or blue belt has come back for more.
4 things. The fourth is the racism eraser.
@@taraabbas9017 everyone i work with has a 5 day per week schedule.
This is the most intelligent well stated discussion on police, training, and solutions on this topic. If the elected leaders gave the police more funding to get this training and brought people like these two in to provide solution based critiques, we would have even greater police. God bless all first responders and police. You have one hell of a hard job.
Thank you guys for your expert assessment. Please train and pay our law enforcement better.
10:11 there it is... Later than I was expecting. But we all knew it was coming.
'Was lookin' for this! 🤣🤣
Yes, MMA and BBJ solves it.
Have you seen this clip of Jocko?!
ua-cam.com/video/dJ3S-LI7tZE/v-deo.html
It’s hilarious!!
Lmao “what’d you say to me?” *BAP* dead
That attitude is the problem
bluechip17 hiring people with that attitude is the problem. Which is why he says he couldn’t do that job.
That's psychopath talk.
Much appreciation for these guys! Thanks for your support of law enforcement.
just went to Mactac training with Las Vegas Metro pd they were hamstrung by higher ups but got to do some force on force and it was the best training i have had in a long while.
These are two gentlemen I would never mess with, but I would always feel safe in their company.
Don’t be a snowflake
@@chillix118 🌨❄❄❄🌨⛄☃️
@@chillix118 huh?
Love these guys.
They really make me think.
Get yourself someone who looks at you the way jocko and tim look at each other when they say “yeah”
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That’s the difference between military and law enforcement. Military spends most of their time training then deploys for a set duration.
Law enforcement is always “deployed” - understaffed and underpaid. Off time is spent grabbing overtime details or working to cover shortages.
I’m retired (young) from a large agency with a successful career including special teams. We had state of the art training equipment, but still only one week per year for in service. Of that one week, one day of firearms, one day of defensive tactics. The rest was meeting state requirements for training like “protecting archeological sites” - human diversity” - “Legal Update and Case Law”. During that year, we needed to get (I was also a staff instructor) 2000 officers through the training.
And again, we were a very large agency with an outstanding budget. As instructor cadre, we went to pretty much any instructor level school we wanted too - but that was limited to a handful of the overall department.
Thank you for this dialogue...!!!...as an inactive Marine, SCM instructor of Law Enforcement in the past...It is clear to me the issue is lack of proper training and physical/psychological conditioning...
IT IS ALL ABOUT TRAINING!!!...WE NEED BETTER LAW ENFORCEMENT "ROLE PLAY FORCE ON FORCE" TRAINING...!!!!...Not less law enforcement!!! Criminals are taking over politics and our streets...Defunding police is moving us in the wrong direction...
how about equal punishment for cops and self defence laws for civilians
I've always said a veteran with real combat experience would make the best police officers just for their single most invaluable skill which also happens to be overlooked. And that's the ability to accurately access a situation and respond appropriately. On the surface it sounds simple but I think people fail to comprehend how insanely fast things develop. How fast these assessment and reactions happen.
Cities seem to have millions and millions to spend on wrongful death, but little money for proper hiring and training. Roger that
Facts.
Well insurance covers that stuff and cities love to make millions of dollars disappear in administration anyway
And, now you have the "defund the police" movement, who believes the answer is less training, less officers, and less pay.
B M , they almost give that ex-DOD stuff away. Some of it they do just give away.You’re not going to be training anyone to do anything with the money they save from that.
Great point, sir.
This is old I remember when Jocko brought up this shooting. He’s talking about Dillon Taylor. It wasn’t as quite as simple as he had headphones in and couldn’t hear. Cops were responding to a man with a gun call. Taylor saw the cops turned around and started walking away. Cops told him to stop and Taylor and turned yelled “come on fool” at the cops. He then pulled up the front of his shirt while quickly reaching into his waistband acting like he was pulling a gun.
Body camera video.
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One very important point that gets left out of the equation more often than not, most departments are tiny, less than a dozen people. Small cities with next to nothing for structured systems. Some departments have literally one person, patrolling an entire county. I've been to regional training events where I'm talking to a deputy whose only back-up is the Game and Fish Warden, and that's IF they're in the area. What's needed, for both additional training and for background checks, is a regional cooperative structure where smaller agencies can support and utilize the deeper infrastructure of larger departments in their area of the State. There's always a "Hub Agency", the larger city in a section of a State, that could act as a training hub. We've done this ad-hoc before, someone sponsors a trainer and sends out a bulletin, but I'm talking about something organized and structured to be an extension for the State's extended learning board. We need it.
Excellent points.
All true. I’m lucky that my department has been able to put together force on force training. Unfortunately our last large training session was several years ago. Covid then delayed it more. Luckily my new chief has it on his top priority list. For me personally, I’ve been lucky to make good relationships with other departments and have ready access to a few outdoor ranges plus ample ammo allotment from my department.
Tim 0:28 for real man your the truth. Alot of Psychology involved and now LEO'S being pulled in different directions, so many different situations.
Training is so important and most departments as you point out don't have the time, money or manpower, when an officer is training he is not out working to keep the public safe.
I have completed 3 Force on Force courses with Sims. This video is very accurate to how it is. It’s extremely unpredictable, but it is the best training I have ever received.
Police have to go head first into all the sh*t situations. Much respect. Jocko is my current favorite.
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i’m a BJJ brown belt who went to GST level 1 that i paid for on my own. i was scheduled to go to level 2 but it was cancelled due to covid. my agency’s Use of Force policy is straight up garbage. it is just a quarterly check in the box for the agency that says they actually train their employees.
A few departments do sim training. It's not unheard of. My department does quite a bit of force on force training with sim rounds. Many departments do not do it, but some do.
"Now I am going to tell my guys"
I remember that story from long ago. Classic Leadership
The problem is when you start to have this type of training, the same people will double back around and now say you're trying to militarize the police, which will also be looked down upon. I can already see it.
People like this find something wrong with everything.
Their only enemy is US citizens...why militarize them?
Yea, my naive unexperienced opinion is the problem is cops going into a war-zone or war-zone mindset but without the training, mindset, systems to handle the crazy situations they get thrown into.
And then there are communities where lots of kids grew up around cycles of trauma and gang violence - needing to act tough to stay alive. Put that instinct next to a rookie cop thats not prepared for it and its going to be trauma.
@big crunch your right and militarism is the right word when your giving them fucking tanks in shit. They're becoming extrajudicial paramilitary groups. They need soft skills training not more hand to hand combat shit.
I think the problem people have with the police being "militarized" is that they have those huge armored vehicles or stuff that seems unnecessary. Or even something as simple as wearing camo. Why does a cop need to wear camo? They aren't the army or military. They aren't in another country. They're right here in this country under city or state payroll serving American citizens. Point is, it doesn't look good. It says something. Now if there is actual good training from the military that can lead to a positive outcome for a cop, then that's great. The people just want to feel and be safe when they interact with a cop. Is that too much to ask for?
@@VibrationalLimerence if they were trained like the military and had the penalties the military has for when you fuck up and kill someone you shouldn't this issue would be no where near what it is.
As a retired le training officer I can say that very few are serious about training. Our tactical training time was cut in half due to injuries in training. Too many Officers are out of physical shape. It becomes a Union and workers comp issue.
Thank you guys for putting this message out. I think most people are aware of this stuff but it’s not the narrative on MSM.
Immediately after this is the BEST clip from Tim Kennedy, taking about Bayonet Training.
Add.. strong effective communication and connections. Also, stay confident.
Imagine Tim Kennedy with a plumed hat and a rapier.
I play way too much mordhau because that’s what I thought at first as well haha
We do Force on Force three times a year with Sim rounds and Air Soft. Live Use of Force situations, traffic stop scenarios and active shooter drills. However, very few other Departments around mine do anything of the sort.
For the record, we did three days of force on force training in my academy in 2020. Granted it was CO2 airsoft pistols because we didn’t have the budget for siminution , but I don’t think it’s as uncommon as they were saying. Most guys I know have done it at some point in their career. We had a yearly 1 day refresher on active shooter response. Not enough of course, but it was something at least.
Great video as always tho.
I knew when I got out of the machine,I took the test passed them all,no problem.
Mental psych,flying colors.
My kid passed,had to go back across the pond,the afternoon of my psychology evaluation.
Long flight makes ya think.
On the way back home,I knew when I heard the Ice tea ,song about cops.
Dating myself.
I knew I was not cut out for law enforcement.
I became a Funeral Director.
It has done me well.
Some of us just obay the laws & live by them.
Enforcement it not for all of us tho we support all the good wholesome decent officers.
Most who lack training, know it.
Get better people.
Tim my man rockin the stash, full run brother
Being a cop is one of the hardest professions I can imagine. I would like to see more Black ppl and PoC be part of this conversation.
Jocko and Tim I think you guys are spot on about the major lack of training but. There is one huge factor to consider about the guy who shot the iphone dude not taking cover. I've heard you guys criticize Police in the past for the same thing failure to take cover. One thing that may be different in Police vs the military is we are more concerned about the public being shot than ourselves. I have found myself being exposed to danger where the more tactical thing is clearly to seek cover but that tactic can lead to less visual on the bad guy which can lead to unarmed citizen being at an extreme risk. I've been a Police officer patrol unit for 10 years. I've had force on force training I was on SWAT teams in the past but still the training was lacking even then and force on force was not near as often as it should be. especially for just street cops. I wish you guys would get a cop on these podcast when this subject comes up just so you can get his take on the situation.
Thank you for the support Jocko. We do have a hard job. Remember brothers during these difficult times remember ...
""It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Teddy Roosevelt.
Great tip and reminder on the dry firing! Thanks!
My friend and I were discussing the training of Police vs military. In Afghanistan/Iraq, they can kick in a door and within .5 seconds distinguish a random goat herder vs an actual terrorist and resume accordingly.
Absolutely correct on all accounts
Thanks for reposting when this has become a critical issue. I know it can be self-serving to get the views, but this is also the only way for you to spread the word on previously discussed topics.
“Hey Jocko you got anything to say to these guys?”
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Some good tips here for LE trainers. Some departments are doing these but need to do more and some need to start doing them.
So true about 82nd guys, guilty as charged 😂 we loved that SF was at Bragg because we got better training exactly because we got to do training with SF guys, and even if it was just playing OPFOR it was always great training.
I think an underrated factor in current policing is why these departments are so militarized in the first place is the public's access to guns (which is a good thing as it's our 2nd amendment, but that's not the point rn). There are several other reasons, including these militarized gear/vehicles being available for dirt cheap (provided by Congress), but the police have fears that any person they get called for could have a powerful gun (I mean, like an assault rifle or shotguns). Look at how long the 1997 North Hollywood shootout lasted because LAPD didn't have an answer for the two shooters who were decked out in body armor and had automatic AKs. No officer wants to be outgunned in a shootout like that
This is why you have specialized units for those instances, but overall the idea of the cops always outgunning the civilians shouldn’t be a standard. They aren’t going to war with the population, they are guardians of the population.
@@CorgiButter69 Who are they guarding the public from? I agree that the police shouldn't be outgunning the public out of fear, but it's not far fetched for them to be scared in the first place
@Matt I agree that being armed shouldn't be an excuse to militarize, but at the same time any apologist will be able to point at past incidents which give police an excuse to do so (the most obvious one being the aforementioned Hollywood shootout)
Andre Ingram aka DJ Screw RIP it’s a mentality I’m trying to bring a point to. They are guardians, not warriors. An officers job isn’t to be ahtopmsrically in warrior mode ready to attack anything. It leads to them seeing the civilian population as an entire potential enemy force. The guardian mentality sees the civilians as those who need to be protected and embraced. Which leads to a different kind of reactionary process. The problem with militarized police is that they are in a job where they have the power to end your life if they DEEM you are a threat (entirely subjective) , and are products of a very low training system that beats into their mind that they are warriors and are going “to war” every time they step onto the street. With all that combined, of course we have the current issues we are seeing amongst police and civilian relations,
@@CorgiButter69 I'm trynna shed light on one of these many reasons they have said mentality. As ridiculous as my original comment may be, it's still a real threat that one can't just ignore
"Train hard so you can police less". Love it!
We incorporate FonF in our new hire orientation and during annual scenario training. Not the best, but it's a start. We're making headway.
One of the best ways people can support us is the way you drive. Y'all drive every day, and it's the most common interaction the average citizen will have with a cop in there life. Please, extend the respect you have for us to obeying a speed limit and using enough following distance (1 car length per 10MPH of speed). If you do those two things, you'll make cops' lives easier by cutting down on crashes and making it easier for us to concentrate on really bad drivers. (Granted, I'm just a traffic cop, but in 2018, my state had ~190 homicides, and ~630 fatal crashes. Only 1/3 are DUI kills. Respect physics, it doesn't give a warning).
When I worked as a Leo we did defensive tactics for 12 hours straight. The next day I couldn't even walk but it was good training
We do force on force at my department. Edmond, OK PD
It's almost impossible to have that much training as they discuss because those training hours = money that the police department cannot spend. In the military, everyone is under contract and salary. Military can force Soldiers to infinite work hours without extra pay, in horrible working environments in the name of "training" I.E. JRTC / NTC... In the civilian sector, that is a NO-GO. Civilians (Cops) actually have working rights, that simply would not fly. Thats the real world truth and im very surprised these two guys dont discuss this.
Perhaps one method to add to police doctrine, for confronting suspects, such as the kid with the hoodie and I-pod and headphones, is to spotlight the suspect with their tac-light.
Thank u 4 your service both of u badasses
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Mandatory annual PT standards would be a great start. Lack of fitness is a prime reason for the escalation to intermediate and lethal force. The lack of confidence in ones physical fitness is a serious pitfall for many officers.
Jocko, what about putting together a basic training video series that is geared toward proper police training, and sell it to police departments?
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The quality of citizens need to improve if the cops are going to improve.
Read my mind
No lol just no.
True
That is not the way it works. Like at all
I don't agree with your statement, but if we were going to improve the citizens we would need to fully fund education and mental health in this country. The way you build a better citizen is to invest in them from cradle to the grave.
Had a clip from this video pinned on my Twitter for over a year. Just wish people would slow down and think this thing through
One problem I saw in police training is the brass often would not allow deviation from the script of what they saw as the scenario, so the cops being trained knew what was going to happen before the event, I would say you don't have any fore knowledge on the street so the training should be as realistic as possible and vary a bit each time no two calls will be exactly the same ever in real life.
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As a Police Officer, I couldn't agree more with them. People want to defund us. No.. give us more funding and training. Help us help you.
Tim said, "just lay on the ground and have your lawyer figure it out later".
This is one of the major misconceptions about getting stopped by law enforcement, is that even when we submit, there is still a massively high chance of being at least assaulted. Additionally, we don't have the money for a lawyer. We are also placed into such financially compromised positions that simply being arrested and incarcerated for a couple days could result in us getting fired from our jobs, since we are in a predominantly gig economy, and then having cascading effects. I knew a guy who got pulled over and arrested for marijuana, cop claimed he consumed it and was dui, he was an accountant and the lawsuit took so long to demonstrate his innocence that he had lost his job, housing, vehicle, and by the time he was released as innocent, had nothing to return to. He ended up unhoused, and since LA is fucked, sanitation took all of his personal documents when they cleared his tent in the corner of a park while he was at a job interview.
This is why so many people run or try to advocate for their rights. We should have a society that follows laws and order, but we can't have that if the enforcers of the law are so ill trained and ill equipped mentally to even know the law they're supposed to enforce.
Well said
So, you think fighting the police is the answer?
@Matt , or you could try and go arrest some bad ass mofos, and see what it's like.
@Matt , how far did you make it through high school?
-What did you say to me ?
Pah he’s dead !
Kennedy you made me crack dude 😂
Jocko the NCSHP has a DT instructor who is a black belt in Jiu Jitsu, has did plenty of trading with the Gracies, Greg Thompson, and some SF guys in Fort Bragg. One of the better tools they had for ground fighting that the NCSHP thought its Troopers was the vascular neck restraint. No deaths in NCSHP history of using it and since George Floyd incident they can no longer use it. The point is that the public is hollering for more and better training but they are taking the training tools away because of public perception. That was a restraint that puts the bad guy to sleep for 5 seconds so they can get the cuffs on them and there is no scratches, bumps or anything. And not to mention every Trooper has to have it done to them before they graduate so they know what it’s like and they know that it is safe. But they still take it away. The public doesn’t know about actual training. And just because something looks “bad” even though it isn’t they remove it. They are taking training tools away so now these Troopers have to fight longer and harder just to get people in cuffs.
Most medium to large departments conduct force on force training.
Great video
Honestly I feel more of the problems come from law makers, the court system, and the unions
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I was part of a training cadre in the military. We always told the troops that a mustache might be a use-of-force.
@@lawriemountain tha fancier the more intimidating.
We do force on force or FATS simulators at least once a year at our agency
Failure to Train. The latest court room term. Its True. We Don't get enough or the right training. Thanks Gentleman.
My son had headphones because of bullies to cut their snipes out so he didn't here them could relax wasn't on his toes trigger happy at every one it kinda was attempt to detach from them something happy. Something that' can't be picked on.
Wish they'd sell bulet proof vests more that orange stuff on Ted Ex talks that leg too that goes up and down.
True on the mental but we are leaving out the racism problem too. As military police I have seen how it is a person more than a training. Talking about who had more tickets. Never heard of racism in military though for the reason though but knew full and we'll who was, especially being white and the others thinking I think that way too. Wrong. You guys are exactly right on those who are too stressed to really think though.
This would be a great topic for Donut Operator.
As a combat veteran and a former municipal police officer, I take issue with Jockos "...don't stand out in the open, take cover and watch him." comment. Cops must make contact with the suspect. We must speak with them, get ID from them, and most importantly we must prevent them from fleeing. We can't do that if we are hiding behind a car, or a building. Applying combat tactics to police work is a grand mistake. The two worlds are not the same.
He said if you think someone has a gun then take cover.
@@TheKbthakur Again, not something cops can afford to do. Cops can't hide while the possibly armed suspect escapes, grabs a hostage, starts shooting into businesses, etc. Soldiers can take cover when they think someone has a gun. Cops are bound to take that person into custody, alone if need be.
My department does force on force.not often enough but we do.
The Thing is with some Cops are more a Liability then a Accent to the Community period. From Self Defense Skills, Shooting, Negotiations, then to top it off The Public That Won’t Stand Behind The Police Officers.
Oh police departments have the funding. Maybe small towns PD/Sheriffs/Constables doesn't but metropolitan areas sure do. But instead of spending their money on training and paid training time, the departments just buys more new toys so they can look like Jocko and Tim. When was the last time Police in the U.S has to deal with IED to justify the need for the MRAPs? Those things ranges from 300k-500k each depending on the toys that comes with them, metropolitan PDs have a multiple ones and they buy expensive rifles with fancy accessories on them and yet most of them are atrocious at shooting.
The aura of a cop that has good training (usually it is on their own dime) is way different than that of those who just want to do the minimum.
Most police departments actually get those for free on loan/donated from the military. They are an essential tool for armed barricaded subjects, officer down rescue, or working in areas without any real cover. If you were being shot at which would you prefer to be standing behind? If that piece of equipment were to save one life, be it officer, victim, bystander, and even the "bad guy" would it not be worth it?
And what about the maintenance cost for them? You think a PD really has the training to work and maintain one? Or are they going to be using contractors that charges ton to do so? I like doing contractor works but because of the loan programs you both have addressed this means more bloated defense budget and wasteful spending, see it every year when fiscal year is about to end and the command would find ways to spend their entire remaining budget.
Even when they need a vehicle to do entry, there are already vehicles in their inventory that can do that. From how yall reply I can make a confident bet that you are conservative/republican, so how is using tax payer's money to expand military spending to trickle down to these PD conservative/pro small government? Seems pretty socialist to me the way you're ok with government spending people's money just as long as it is in line with the thing you support and continue to making government bigger.
Tim looks like a musketeer with that mustasche and goatee.... In the most respectful humorous way sir. I jest because I am not worthy.
Coming from experience. The Military does not prioritize H2H training because as Infantry, we will have our primary weapon pointing downrange 100% of the time when in theater, wherever we go. The priority for H2H training is way low because if you see a badguy, you are going to shoot him. We spend a ridiculous amount of time training in shooting skills. If you can't shoot him for some reason (misfire, empty mag, etc.), one of your battle buddies will. If you ever have to contend with an enemy in hand-to-hand, something has gone very wrong. But in those instances you are going to rely upon your trained hand-to-hand, and superior physical strength to just overpower them with unrestrained aggression. If you have to bludgeon them with the muzzle of your M16A4, then that's what you'll do. If you have to bludgeon them with your kevlar (helmet), then that's what you'll do.
The Mcmap program has solid tecnniques. The issue is that no commander cares about regular training in unarmed combat due to all the other combat aspects we need to train in. It's treated like an after thought.
What happened to the jocko vs Kennedy jiu jitsu match????????????????
This is the question!!
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John Wick isn’t the boogey man, he’s the one you sent to kill the fucking boogey man.
But Jocko - he’s the one you sent to kill John Wick
What confused me the most is Jocko said hed be in jail if he was a cop, but he was a Navy Seal dealing with similar stressful situations. Jocko has a good understanding on how to handle situations, judging by this podcast..so I dont get why he think hed be a horrible cop.
Different rules, different environment, different cultures. It's like going from being a professional basketball player switching to football. Sure, your athleticism and other things will still translate over, but it's still an entirely different game with different rules and standards. And that's before things get political
Much love J & T
We did force on force with sims until covid and defunding took our training away.
This will never get fixed Jocko.
Depts and agencies are too cheap to pay for advanced and continuous training.
No dept/agency would take their people off the field one day a week for training.
Some LEOs get lazy after the academy.
How can training become affordable
ALPHA|DOG| AFFIRMATIONS Make it tax deductible. If cops join a boxing gym or BJJ gym they can get it back on their taxes
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 yes agreed. And have true live training. Tim Kennedy is developing a VR headset judgement training. That won't work either. You need to get people's heart rates up and make them use their muscles.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 great concept!!!🔥🤘
@@juanch6936 the whole body in movement stays in movement idea....physical exertion is key here
The more you sweat in times of peace, the less you bleed in times of war.
Let's talk training. When was the last time the public education system educated students on how to behave during police initiated contact. Why does it makes so much sense to do that? Because to me it really does.
I don't think there's any reason that I school should not be teaching Modern Survival tactics. By Modern Survival I do mean first world survival tactics.
They don’t want to have contact with the public. They rather just ride around. It’s real easy, don’t do things that draws their attention or causes fellow citizens to call them on you. Try and be a good citizen! It’s not that hard!
Here is the inherent problem police are forced to deal with. In the U.S. there are two ways the state can legally put a citizen to death. One is through the courts, and a jury. When it happens that way, it takes fifteen to twenty five years for it to actually happen (if at all), and hundreds of people review the circumstances in their leisure, and with the opportunity to take as long as they need to make the right decision. The other way, is when a police officer has to use deadly force, and has to make the same decision, but in a second or less. Which one is more likely to get it wrong occasionally? And, yet, the courts still manage to get it wrong from time to time. Why do we expect a police officer, acting in a second, to never get it wrong?
Wow.. Next to UFC, Special forces and overall badass did Kennedy now join the Spanish Inquisition as well?
The best way to improve law enforcement is to get rid of it.
sounds like scenio paintball
“I want to save this guys life but it’s not gonna happen”
Definitely one of the worst things that could happen to a human being, hope I never experience it.