Unbelievable! Abandoned Hoarder House. Explore # 124
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2023
- Hoarder houses have always interested me. I have seen a few over the years. This farmhouse has been abandoned for approx. 6 years. Each room is just full top to bottom with stuff. Each room had a collection of different items in it. A single man lived here and I am unable to find out what happened to him. Shockingly with all the weight of the stuff on the main floor, parts of the floor has collapsed crashing down to the basement. I have also found what I believe is a lot of blood on the book shelve and items on the floor. What happened here?
Hoarding often creates such cramped living conditions that homes may be filled to capacity, with only narrow pathways winding through stacks of clutter. Counter-tops, sinks, stoves, desks, stairways and virtually all other surfaces are usually piled with stuff.
And when there's no more room inside, the clutter may spread to the garage, vehicles, yard and other storage facilities.
Hoarding disorder is a persistent difficulty discarding or parting with possessions because of a perceived need to save them.
A person with a hoarding disorder experiences distress at the thought of getting rid of the items. Excessive accumulation of items, regardless of actual value, occurs.
Source www.mayoclinic.org
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11:08 did you see that mouse? If you enjoy this video please help my channel and like/share 😁👍🏻
Dude I thought I saw something move but didn’t really focus on it watching on my phone, but yeah , peek a boo mouse, LOL!
Now that you point it out yes, I saw the contented mouse.
He just wanted to say hello
Mouse was photo bombing your vid!
I looked for the mouse 🐁 but I couldn’t see it. Dang! 😞
Brett, thank you and congratulations for explaining off the top that hoarding is a mental disorder. It would be easy to laugh at such people, but they really can’t help themselves. My mother-in-law was a hoarder. In her case she came from an impoverished background and saw everything as having great value. Your explanation of hoarding disorder was a class act.
These houses are so very dangerous. Death traps, and unhealthy. Of all the videos of this type of house, I have never seen collapsed floors. First time. I salute you Brent for fighting your way through that disgusting house. ❤😊
Professional Organizer here, that’s a Level 5 (Highest). Hoarding is more prevalent than most folks think. It’s a good thing you’re doing the explore during the winter, just the thought of the ammonia from the litter is making my nose burn.
Oh man that place would smell in the hot summer
IMO, this is the best explore channel on UA-cam. Brent always takes his time to get the feel of the places he explores and describes details that most other explorers just rush through.
Thanks so much! This means a lot
Thank you!! I say the same, he really is top notch. Most of them ignore details that brent points out.
I have seen so many hoarded houses during my time as a social housing officer. Each was unique in its own way. The weirdest was a house filled with cardboard boxes all the same size which filled each room to the ceiling leaving narrow walk ways through the property. As the guy had died I and my colleague had to secure the property, any valuables and official documents.
The place smelt awful!
We started looking for documents but soon realised there was no furniture apart from a bed and armchair in the house. So we started opening the boxes to find the guy had saved every poop he did wrapped neatly in paper dated and timed clearly for years. Absolutely the most bizarre house ever. We just gave up and passed it to the cleaning crew.
I bought a hoarders property in 2020. 12 assorted buildings and such were all full of stuff. 2.88 acres. 1800's house. 40' shipping container, 30' reefer trailer, 14'x65' mobile home, 4 wooden sheds, 2 metal sheds, 25' fifth wheel trailer and a school bus. $18,000. I couldn't resist.
Great deal! Next time call me for a before and after video 😁👍🏻
Did you end up finding stuff worth more than what you paid for it?
I am so jealous! Lol, yes we would love to hear about your finds.
It’s 2023. Have you completed sifting through everything yet?
What did you do with everything that you rescued? What did you do with the property and how did you get rid of everything else?❤
It's so sad to think that someone proudly built that house and it ended up like this. With so many homeless people, someone could have lived here and appreciated the roof over their heads.
Hoarding may seem like a simple issue but the hoarders, themselves, stress out over the mess as well. The problem becomes so large that they can't imagine being able to overcome the piles. The best they can do is to protect their belongings at all cost. That one issue is the only thing they feel that they can control. A vicious cycle that benefits no-one... so sad.
After seeing the bathroom, I bet he used the kitty litter to do his thing. And I was so lost in this house by the amount of junk that I couldn't even tell you the layout, LOL. Thanks for sharing this explore!
That collapsed room was unbelievable. I just hope the hoarder had already left before that happened. After watching something like this I have a mental tour of my house, considering what I could take to a charity shop so that I never slide into hoarding.
It was like a sunken living-room full of everything... Difficult to be careful in such a scary, dangerous place!
It gives you that feeling of being crammed even if you are not. Very uncomfortable watching a hoarded house. I've seen all seasons of Hoarders and read the book. I thank God I am not a Hoarder. Terrible illness
I’m a home health nurse and had a patient that his entire two story house was newspapers piled up to every ceiling. There were only narrow paths in which to walk. But this place takes the cake. Old, moldy cake of course. A landfill under one roof.
That is so crazy the amount of things in there but also so sad for the person who was suffering with hoarding . I’m hoping he got out and wasn’t trapped in the basement.
I feel the same way
Some of these houses are so crowded they attract vermin like mice and roaches and become "sick houses" in which the air quality is so bad the people living in them develop terrible respiratory diseases. This happened at my brother's house. The mouse droppings dried out and got in the air and made the air noxious to breathe. I suspect my sister-in-law died from it.
Their house started with being a small home with too much stuff, then they became physically unable to clean it up.
I worked with a hoarder once. She was a sweet 83 year old and the car she drove to work was completely filled with garbage. Never went inside her house but you knew it was filled by the looks of it and the trash surrounding it. Sadly she passed away a couple of years ago. I often wonder about her house and she died.
Thanks for sharing this Nicole! At least she worked. A lot of them don’t go out or work
I see that, someone car was filled front seat and backed.u can't even looked inside of the car.only front seat
My hubby's aunt and uncle lived in a house with a little path between the piles of stuff. She was mostly the hoarder. She canned food every year that never was used, had closets full of yarn for knitting and dozens if not a hundred afghans and lap blankets, and stockpiled numerous Valentine's chocolate hearts bought on clearance that she hid under the bed.
Thanks for sharing this
Brent, there was a mouse in the cabinet above the stove exhaust hood. It popped out on that top shelf as you closed the left hand door. That was crazy.
Good eye! I missed it but had to go back and watch
I saw it too! At first I thought it was a shadow but went back & saw the mouse in the cabinet do a quick retreat. I would have screamed the place down if I'd been there & seen it! Lol
Sneaky
Thank you for explaining the mental disorder of hoarding! You're an awesome human being.
My aunt was a hoarder. She had a laundry chute with a huge pile of unwashed clothes piled up in the basement all the way to the ceiling so you couldn't put any more down the chute. She turned her couch so they could throw their newspapers behind it into the corner.
Thanks for sharing this
That was sad. I know hoarders...but nothing as bad as this. It really makes you wonder what happened to the person here. I applaud you for going in there because those houses are quite dangerous. Thank you!
My grandma was a hoarder. She was not near this bad, but the basement and garage were full. The bedrooms were also loaded with stuff and then she would throw blankets on top of the piles so you couldn’t see what was in the piles. My mom and her brother ended up cleaning up the place. They sold it and got her a nice little apartment. She saved things in the apartment too, but not as bad as she had done in the house. I think because of this I have a tendency to throw everything out lol
One of the things that I do is house sit- I have house sat for 3 people like this, to varying degrees. Amazingly, they don't see it as a problem. One lady, I felt very sorry for, her pantry was destroyed, with food piled everywhere, and I thought I would clean it up and organize it for her, thinking she was so busy- it was perfect when I was done. She said nothing, but when I got there in 2 weeks it was torn apart, and she had to have done it on purpose. This house got so bad, she had mice everywhere, and they were skittering across my face while I slept, and I refused to stay anymore- just came to feed the animals and let them out. There were paths and if you brushed up on something, everything collapsed. She had a dead Spider Plant in the bathroom she had hanging there for 8 years, because she was emotionally attached to it.
All of these people, without fail, houses are destroyed, and they can't find anything, but they seem to know if one piece of junk mail has been moved. They are attached to every single thing, and lose their minds if you get rid of anything.
Another lady is an animal hoarder, and has been raided by our Humane Society 3 times, with $40,000 in legal fees on lawyers, and still collecting and breeding to this day- I had to stop working for her, because her animals are so badly cared for I can't stand it. I managed to get several dozen out of there, but she just replaces them.
The third one is a hoarder of a different sort- she has a fantastic home, filled and stuffed with antiques. They are super dusty, but all in good shape, just stuffed in any space and nook and cranny, then the avon bottles and things like that.
What I have gotten from all of this is minimalism!!!!
Thanks so much for taking the time to educate your viewers about "hoarding sickness"..a lot of people dont realize it is a mental illness (poor souls)..was very compassionate of you 🫶👍👌
Your sub from Ottawa 🇨🇦 😊
Thanks Lisa 😁
That was both gnarly and disgusting all at once. Sad that folks get that hoarding illness as it's clearly pretty damaging.
If it's a rural home, no one usually does anything about it, not even the health department from what I've seen with these places, and the elderly
"aging in place", with relatives checking in on them.
Wow great work Brent. Those creaks while u were in the upstairs bathroom felt like you were going thru the floor. So crazy! This makes me want to clean out my basement.
The creaking was making me very nervous 😅
I explored a house about a year ago almost as bad except the floors hadn't collapsed. Turned my ankle pretty bad. Your lucky you wasn't hurt. Awesome video
Oh I was worried about my ankle as I’m still healing from my last sprain
Hello Brent! Wow is all I can say. You are braver than me cause I wouldn’t have wanted to go in there.😮 Thanks for sharing 😊❤
Glad you enjoyed it
Good morning Brent! How brave of you to wade through all that!! I'm surprised only one mouse was seen - there must be all kinds of creatures making that place their own. A very sad story but told in your usual inimitable and informative way!! Until the next explore! Gill 🇬🇧
I just love the videos that you post. I appreciate that a fellow Canadian is sharing this with us. Having a glimpse of someone's past and their home. And trying to figure out what happened or what the home would have looked like during its glory days. It is so sad to see homes abandoned.
You may need to travel with some sort of hazmat suit (as a just in case) for homes like the condition of this one, so you do not get sick.
This was unbelievably sad. What a mess. Glad you used a mask!!! We can hear you fine no worries! 🥰🥰🥰
Heartbreaking to think a soul would exist in that. Lord of mercy.
This reminds me of the show hoarders,some of the houses were so bad they had to be demolished,I think this might be the fate of this house.Bret I'm giving you much deserved awards for this video 🏆🎖️🏅,for extreme valor for taking on this horror to bring us this video,never a dull moment,thanks Bret!!
Hope you didn’t catch anything in there. People usually wear biohazard suits when they go into houses like that. Especially since there was a mouse in the cupboard. If there wasn’t so much trash in the basement that room probably would have collapsed even more. Thank you for sharing!
I thought the same thing. Bad place
This place is so sad. It's disgusting to think that someone could live like that. I hope that they didn't die in there.
did you notice the mouse in the cupboard around 11:07. Looks like you scared the crap out of it
Yes I did he poked his little head out to say hello
Lol I noticed the nest but I'm impressed you caught that mouse, didn't even notice it the first time.
Yes I saw him, poor mouse what a nasty place to live...SMH
Good eye! I missed it. He looked mad 🤣
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No way, all that food?
He's in heaven!
😍👍
That's terribly sad. Since the bathroom was not usable must be what all the litter was for.
What a sad state of affairs! Brent, I've said it before, and I'll say it again - your explores and videos are the absolute best! Other explorers can take lessons from you! Great plan to hit the shower...and boil your clothes!! Thanks for for exercising caution and not climbing into that living room! Looking forward to your next explore!! Stay safe my friend!!
A house 3 doors down from me was a hoarder house and sat unoccupied for well over a year full of stuff with 4 years of unpaid property taxes. The mentally ill elderly woman was moved out and it finally went to auction. I was able to get in and see it during dumpster #3 and chat with the guy who bought it. Amazing what was underneath as his group was clearing it out.
This place was giving me anxiety watching you walk through it. That's insane that someone lived like that.
It does me too. I just want to get a bulldozer and push it down
This is the perfect video, encouraging us all to spring clean
🤣 and a long shower
@@AbandonedUrbexCanada and cold cider or beer
Brett i too find the Hoarding disorder interesting. Such houses can be very dangerous. I dated a man ,a very nice man. I discovered he was a level 5 hoarder. He was a compulsive shopper and bargain hunter. He had a 4 bedroom apartment stuffed. I didn't get to see it. He had a collection of cars in great shape and a few that were but because of the contents they were deteriorating. His car he drove daily he thought needed shocks. I pointed out they were fine yesterday. Until you loaded the trunk. Thanks for the tour
That place is seriously dangerous, wow. My step father was a hoarder. After my mother passed he asked me to help sort things so I flew across the country to help. I wish I hadn't. There were bags of garbage in the garage full of maggots and it stunk from mouse droppings. The ceiling was packed from floor to ceiling in the garage and when I'd take something out and set it aside I'd find it back in the garage. He was moving it back inside! The basement was the same thing. I found papers in the basement about my family history (which I now have). It was 30c outside and when my daughter tried to turn the air conditioner on he threw a fit and immediately turned it off. Even the poor dog wasn't being groomed. I left because there was nothing I could do to help. He bought a new house and hired a moving company. The moving company quit because of the garbage and his actions. It's all very sad and there's not much you can do to help. Oddly the kitchen, dining room, 2 of the bedrooms and living room weren't cluttered. He couldn't pass a garage or yard sale without buying something and putting it in the garage or basement.
I'm probably going to hell... I laughed when I saw the brand new broom standing in the midst of that nightmare!
🤣 never been used
Thanks!I love all your video's wish I could get to Canada 🇨🇦.
Oh wow thank you very much!
Hey!!!! My buddy and I went there a couple of months ago!! Nice to see you visited this place. I would love to go exploring with you if there was a chance!!! I love all your videos Brent!! My buddy and I are urbex explorers just like you. Only thing is we don't document our explores like yourself. The odd time we take pictures and what not but we don't take videos unless it's a really cool place.
Awesome! To bad I didn’t see you guys there 👍🏻 I’m on Instagram and always up for an explore
@@AbandonedUrbexCanada Alright! I'll follow you on Instagram and send you a DM! I don't use Instagram often but I'll give you a follow 👍
@@EricV92hey! I’d love to explore an abandoned house - but I’m too scared to do it alone. Anyone wanna come with me ?
@@jenkilmury4617 I would totally do it! I love exploring abandoned places. I've been dying to find one recently.
Wow..that was wild ..
Hopefully these days we all remember to check in on folks living alone ,see
Hoarders usually have went through a traumatic experience and feel the need to collect things around them to comfort themselves when in fact it does the opposite.
A bit strange, the kitchen was updated, that style of cabinets were popular in the late 90s early 2000s, but those appliances were definitely old, that may give a clue of when the hoarding potentially started.
Something you forgot, what causes hoarding.
Hoarding is usually caused by a traumatic event in one's life.
My late wife's grandmother was an extreme hoarder, in some cases, her and her partner would buy sheds and trailers and use their old broken-down vehicles to store stuff in.
The family could never really figure out who was the hoarder him or her.
Now since she's gone, we do believe it was her, unfortunately her extreme event was a loss of one of her granddaughters when she was only two.
Food hoarding is definitely a thing.
The juice jugs in the bathroom, I think we all know what those were being used for, as hoarding gets worse and worse parts of the house starts to fail and it's usually the plumbing that goes first, then the Heat and the power usually never fails that's what ends up taking out a hoarder house.
Sensory overload! Too much stuff in every room. Thanks for including the hoarding information at the beginning of the video. Stay safe!
It is ironic to see the neatly shelved collection of Hardy Boys Mysteries amid the chaos.
Hoarding is simply "padding the nest" so that emotional pain can be buried often associated with a loss. There is a fine line between collector and hoarder.
How sad that someone has got to such a stage in life that this is the way they think is OK to live. I think the best solution for this property is to just burn it to the ground - such a shame, but in reality, what is the alternative ? Thanks for sharing this with us. Take care 🙂
Wow..that was wild ..
Hopefully these days we all remember to check in on folks living alone see if they need a hand..😏👍🏼
I watch several different kinds of hoarder shows and they always fascinate me and have a story behind it all. This one doesn't but I think it's a sad one for sure.
The level of sadness and desperation that leads someone to hoard is heartbreaking. 😢
I wonder if this was an actual hoarder's house or if someone just owned the house, didn't live in it and just threw their trash in and then animals rummaged through it?
So sad to see. Mental illness and addictions can result in this. My hope is that whoever lived here was able to get out and get the help they needed. On another note, I've watched many other explorers here on UA-cam and you are my favorite, I've watched every one of your videos! Thank you and keep them coming!
Hey thanks so much Kevin! This means a lot
after seeing the state of the bathroom it didnt take long to figure out what the buckets of cat litter were from. so sad.
There are a couple hoarders in my family. Not to that degree with the garbage, but crazy quantities of stuff they largely don't need. Its so hard to know how to help.
Thanks for sharing this
Do the dwellers of these hoarder houses not see the mess? Its one thing to collect things but another to live with vermen, mould, infestations? Very very sad. Kudos for exploring and sharing this
Brave Brent!
This house is insane , wow its mind boggling how you could live in that even if it was neatly full , this is a different kind of sunken living room than a normal one lol , great find !
Awesome job!!!! Thank you so much ❤
Bro. I can’t even imagine someone living in that house. There’s absolutely no way I would have even went inside. I feel like that whole place is gonna end up in that basement!!! Great job though. Stay safe man. I enjoy the channel.
The juice containers would have very readable dates imprinted on them. Would of been interesting seeing the dates of the ones piled up in the bathroom.
Yuk. Maybe he was using them for a bathroom because his no longer worked. Saw that on one of those hoarder programs.
I saw the little mouse and I LOVE the snow. Y'all are so lucky!!
Living in the country and being elderly they didn't have a trash pick up like we do in the city. Plus maybe towards the last part of their life they had a hard time walking out to the bend to empty the trash.
It was like watching a episode of a&e hoarders. But extreme version thanks for taking one for team Brent.
Thanks Jay
@@AbandonedUrbexCanadadid the owner die only recently? I know that people will always say that about old houses in this condition but it looks like it hasn't been lived in for quite a long time, like many many years. When people die their homes and property often goes into receivership if they have no other family around. Or it may be sold for back taxes, and in either case the new owner may use the house for "storage" but not actually live there.
Yeah I agree though this one's somethin else all right.....
Hello Brent !😊
Hello Bill 👍🏻
I visited a place like that a few years ago, very similar with basement filled to the ceiling with trash. Very sad to learn of a person with a mental condition living on top of a heap of their own trash.
What a great video.. was hoping you wouldn’t go down the collapse floor..l enjoy watching hoarder videos 😬
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Just insane. I'd have a panic attack in there and I'm a cleaning freak too. Like how do you shower or go to the bathroom or where do you sleep?!
I suspect the person who lived here must have been in very poor physical condition. There was no place they could use washroom or cooking facilities. I didn't see an outhouse or any place they could cook. I'm amazed nobody checked on them - or maybe people were scared of this person ?
Awesome video, Thank you
👊😎 great video again, thank you Brent !!!
Wow this place is crazy, I’ve been in hoarders houses but nothing like this one! Brave move going in there Brent, you never know what you might find.
Wow! That was unbelievable…couldn’t help but feel bad for the sad lonely guy that lived there
I'm impressed by the balancing of the juice boxes ontop of the toilet truthfully lol
Wow, this was awful. I am so sorry for the person who experienced so much trauma that this was their response to it. But, this was really bad. Thanks for being brave, Brent
Awesome Channel! yup, a few "The Hardy Boys" hardcover books, 21 of the earliest books of the series of 58 were written by a Canadian, from Ontario , Leslie McFarlane
I used to read them in public school
Yikes 😮 my anxiety was through the roof watching this. I hope I never experience this type of illness
Brent! Love your videos!!! You’re a legend 🙌🏻
Thanks my friend 👍🏻
@@AbandonedUrbexCanada cheers man!! Have a wonderful rest of your weekend!!
Great videos Brent thanks for sharing .... nice to see BC landscape and scenery,
Thanks! This one’s in Ontario
The collapsed floor reminds me of an episode of Hoarders where the woman kept throwing her soiled adult diapers into the bathroom completely filling it and it started to rot the floor underneath
This is crazy! Thanks for sharing this
Hi Abandoned U. Canada 🇨🇦
This is my first video 📺, like 👍 and comment (of course the notification bell 🔔) I'm really glad you popped up in my algorithm 😁.
I'm loving the commentary (and the Canadian accent) it's so fascinating to me. I'm seeing an binge session about to happen. ~❤~
This place may have been salvageable at one point, but no longer!!! I was going to tell you to go home, take a shower, wash all of your clothes including your shoes!!! Brent, I was happy to see that you wore your mask… please always be safe!!! Your life & well being is certainly not worth taking a video!!! Hoarding is a form of depression!!! We had a hoarder living across the street from us, no one suspected… her clothes were always clean & looked new… because they were, rather than wash her clothes, she had to buy new ones😂🤣 It’s sad though, I don’t know how her family lived like that!??? As evident by all of the stuff in his bathtub & shower, he didn’t bathe!!! There could be cat carcasses, as evident by the cat litter & as you stated, could be bodies in that mess😮 Very as!!! This house may have once been able to be restored, now the only option is to completely burn or demolish this property!!! Brent, thank you for sharing & risking life & limb to share this adventure with us! I loved it! Now I’m going to go & clean my house!!!!!!😳😣😖😩😝😜🤬
No bodies. You would smell decomposition if there were.
I cleaned mine today 🤣 glad you enjoyed it
I’m glad you decided not to go on that living room stuff, who knows it could fall in more . Be safe 👍
My one aunt was somewhat of a hoarder. Her basement was stacked from floor to ceiling with a walkway through it all. We always said if we digged enough we would find Roosevelt.
People do the same things to the house of their body. They make it to where any good and decent spirit wouldn't want to live there. No different than living inside a trash can. Glad you made it out alive.
Me too thanks
I tried to watch that A&E Hoarders Show, but I can’t handle the owners refusing to part with anything. People come to haul stuff away; people separate items to keep, donate or sell, and people come to clean up the house after the hoard removal. And the owner won’t part with even broken things cuz they might be able to use that broken piece on something else.
Great exploration
I was so relieved when you said you weren't going to step down into the room with the collapsed floor. It's just not worth it! ~ Sad circumstances for that person.
I worked with a woman who was always entering sweepstakes, contests, and had won a lot of different things. I knew someone that had been in her house. She said the house was packed with things with paths to get from one room to the next, no furniture to sit out lay on.
I watch every video you post!
Thank you Lynda!
Very Cool " Thanks for sharing and your time"!👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎👍😎✌️🤟🤙
when i see this i am so glad i am a neat freak...thanks for sharing brent
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So disturbing and dystopian..2017!? So SO twisted with the orange juice cartons, ripped open on the top for some reason mind you, piled ALMOST neatly in the bathroom? What?! Hah crazy.
If you're into cleanliness, hoarder houses must be like watching a train wreck!
I had the opportunity to explore a hoarders home and property very similar situation just no collapsed floors, recently discovered you work and love it you do a great job at filming/editing. Looking forward to watching more.
Holy cow. I can't imagine living this way. There's so much stuff. Never seen a hoarders place collapse a floor like that. The mold probably didn't help or basement got flooded.
The thing i always wonder is how they manage to collect all this, besides the garbage.
I think it should also be mentioned that not hoarding is filth hoarding. I’ve seem many clean and organized hoardings as well.
So interesting and yes very haunting, great explore thank you! Happy you got out in one piece, and you wore a mask!
Brown stove and fridge from the late 60's and into the early 70's. The books were neatly arranged. It must have started out as an ordinary house and life but the owner deteriorated as the years went by. Those black and white pictures were from the original Polaroid camera of the mid to late 60's. Whatever happened there was progressive. Very sad.