Wasn't Group S were the cars would have gone up to 800 HP but they canceled it due to the fatalities? Never heard of a Group S with just 300 HP. That's what Group A is..
I think it's also worth mentioning the Lancia ECV 2 as it was the pinnacle of Lancia engineering, same chassis and engine but better aerodynamics and better weight distribution than the original ECV
A note on group S. Prior to the fatalities that ended Group B, the Group S regulations would have opened the engines up significantly with a number of unraced prototypes running in the 800hp range. The regulations mentioned in the video were as a last ditch effort to try and save Group S that also failed which is why there are so many Group S prototypes out there from different manufacturers
800hp+ rally cars that long ago sounds like a comically terrible idea and if not for the numerous bystander fatalities that would have doubtlessly caused I would have loved to see how that worked out. Are there any rally video games or something that feature rally cars so outrageously overtuned?
@@marisechristmas9897 if you want to play with group S rally cars, to my knowledge, take a steer into Gravel (has the toyota, Opel and Lancia ECV1). I believe this is the only game that features these without mods
I think another honourable mention would be the 2021 BMW M4 DTM after the Class One Regulations. It was developed, but after DTM went to become a GT3 Championship it never got to be raced. At least it found its way into Simracing.
According to Adrian Newry, the MP4-19 was just the MP4-18 with the 8 changed to a 9, and the reason the car didn't work till the mid 2004 season "B" spec was because McLaren didn't listen to him about a package redesign that should have been done to the 18 in late 2003 but the rest of the aero team said it could work without the time and cost of a redesign. I think Newey was right and should have been listed too as he'd be off to Red Bull Racing in part due to not being respected correctly.
For anyone that would like to see the Toyota TF110 up close, it's displayed with some other rarities (The first Jordan-Ford F1 car Schumacher raced on, a Dakar Volkswagen Touareg, a 919 Hybrid, the uber-rare Audi R8R LMP Proto, etc) at Automuseum PROTOYP in Hamburg, Germany! :)
I kinda wished Toyota had the chance to race the 22D, it would have been cool to see later versions of the MR2/MRS in rally spec, even just for RWD specific rallies.
The lot of Group S and Group B prototypes that never raced is fascinating and intriguing. The 190e was originally conceived as a Group B car, there was an Alfa, the Porsche 959, a collaboration between Daihatsu and DeTomaso, all for Group B. Mazda also had a Group S prototype in the works!
@@AtheistOrphan It’s a rally for sure. Driven by Paolo Alessandrini in ‘87 and maybe in ‘88 also. IMO, the best looking was the army-green prototipo filmed in La Mandria test track!😍😍
@@MasterOfTruck The regulations were changing on a monthly basis back then. First ruleset allowed up to 800, then 600, later back to 300 and after all that failed, the class failed too
The prospect of VW competing in the WRC for 2017 was so exciting for me. I was so gutted when they announced they were pulling the plug. Still, all the test footage of the car is awesome to see.
I actually went to the Chicago motor show the year the Deltawing was revealed. At the time I couldn't fathom how the car worked, but as we found out it did work in sports car racing.
Also, I know the Deltawing had a bit of a peculiar shape, but to a more innocent eye, I thought they resembled retro-futurisitc/airstreamer concepts of the 50s and 60s. Would have been nice to see a limited series testing alternative fuels, with a "car of the future, today" styled theme
i’m still glad that Dallara was chosen，as the Deltawing is possible the uglyest Indycar i’ve ever seen（admittedly，i say that as someone who loved the IR-05s，but still。nothing will ever eclipse the Dallara IR-05 interms being the most beautiful open wheel racing cars ever made，and that is a fact。），and it would’ve have ruined the sport。
The Evo2 looked like it was from another planet. As Peugeot were at the top of their game in the SWC in 1992, I have no doubt the Evo2 would have been stunningly quick. Just a shame it never had the chance to show its potential.
If the Porsche LMP2000 raced, it would’ve denied Audi’s racing success outright. The Porsche RS Spyder was an LMP2 car and was easily capable of keeping up with the Audi’s and were more reliable
Group-S had plenty cool prototypes all were mostly mid-engines : Audi RS002, ECV1 & ECV2, Toyota MR222D, Peugeot 405 T16-Quasar, Ford RS-200 S, MG Metro 6R-V6 AWD, Opel Kadet 4X4, Seat Ibiza Bimoto, Mazda RX7S, Mitsubishi Starrion 4WD, Lada Samara EVA-S, BMW M1 Procar, Ferrari 288 GTO S, Porsche 959.. All were crazy.
If I remember correctly, the problem with the MP4-18 was that it was too compact and developed overheating (and other?) problems. We now all know what could have been, because they did the compact - size zero - design again in the Mclaren/Honda/Alonso era, where Honda had to dial down the power to GP2 level just to survive a grand prix distance.
Cooling for a V6 turbo hybrid is quite different tho, plus Adrian Knew what he was doing, he realized the mistake but McLaren didn't want to fix it, just to make another car.
@@afoxwithahat7846 Abit late, but I think the point here was that Mclaren basically didn't learn their lesson with the MP4-18 and would repeat this same mistake (along with making many new ones) with the MP4-30. Regardless if its a V10 or V8 or V6 (with or without Hybrid either), having overheating problems due to being too compact means the packaging is flawed. Its said that many just straight dumped the blame on Honda when it was Ron Dennis arrogance that was clear as day even back in 2003. There was a reason thye lost Adrien Newey to Red Bull, the same reason Williams lost Newey to them in the first place and the same reason Newey is now at Aston Martin.
VW didn't only do sketchy emission things in the US. Europe has a dozen times more VW cars but in the US they had do pay a waaaaay bigger fine than here. And now the funny part: The crime they have commited by that (in Germany) would have cost them alot of money but thanks to VW's lobby (duh...) the government suddenly tweaked the law so VW barely had to pay anything. They are making it even sketchier.
It didn't, just like the 002 Quattro. Or the Ford RS200 Evo 2 and the Peugeot 205 T16 Evo 3 (not sure if these count, since they are just evolutions). Speaking of the Quattro, there was a Group B Quattro prototype with the engine in the middle, but the car hasn't been seen for like 40 years. It's possible it served as a base for the Group S 002 Quattro.
I'm naturally drawn towards the Lancia! Mainly cuz it's a Lancia! But, I must admit, that Alfa was quite a pretty car (then again, it IS an Alfa Romeo, so...)! If noult else, though, I would love to see these in a game somewhere, even Lancia's Group C cars! All we ever get of Lancia is their Rally cars, be nice for a bit of variety, I mean, I know they were dominant and I never turn down a Delta S4, but...
Hey people.....(First Sorry for my English)......but this Page mayby forghet this fact.......the wife ov S4 engineer deteined in own garage the prototype ov S4 ecv2 with new chassys and engine called tri-flux.....same volumetric compressore with turbo charger ov S4 buy with revolutionary sistem ov injection (tri-flux or three-line).........and someone said able ti ho from 800hp (low boost) to 1100hp (higt boost)...... Some italian site talk about this...... saluti dall'Italia
To this day, it still bums me out that the 908 Hybrid4 Never raced. It was developed, completed and clearly was in working order as seen in the videos that showed it testing. And yet as the team were in Sebring for the usual testing phase, they get the call that the plug has been pulled.
These are "proper" race cars that to me have every right to enter the goodwood climb challenge, unlike the latest record holder which is what sort of race car?
Rear wing of Polo GTI WRC looks pretty similar to what we've seen in Polo R WRX(and 2.0l engine, around 560-570hp). Maybe they kinda used new WRC parts to create killer WRX Polo out of older chassis?
love the video hate the music. please no bullshit hip modern trash music. just images would be best or at least some sort of mechanical auto noises in the back ground, perhaps sample from auto delta. much more fitting.
Which one would you most like to see in action?
all Group S cars 😁
Bill Thomas's Cheetah! ......And for the future, an ELECTRIC CHEETAH!!!!
Wasn't Group S were the cars would have gone up to 800 HP but they canceled it due to the fatalities?
Never heard of a Group S with just 300 HP. That's what Group A is..
No Ferrari F50 GT? :(
That's easy.*_LANCIA_*
I think it's also worth mentioning the Lancia ECV 2 as it was the pinnacle of Lancia engineering, same chassis and engine but better aerodynamics and better weight distribution than the original ECV
Fun fact ECV was Experimental Carbon Vehicle edit Composite 🤦
and that thing looked terrifying XD
Best looking Delta of all. Menacing thing. And the red is just 🔥
Not the sane engine
A note on group S. Prior to the fatalities that ended Group B, the Group S regulations would have opened the engines up significantly with a number of unraced prototypes running in the 800hp range. The regulations mentioned in the video were as a last ditch effort to try and save Group S that also failed which is why there are so many Group S prototypes out there from different manufacturers
800hp+ rally cars that long ago sounds like a comically terrible idea and if not for the numerous bystander fatalities that would have doubtlessly caused I would have loved to see how that worked out.
Are there any rally video games or something that feature rally cars so outrageously overtuned?
@@marisechristmas9897 if you want to play with group S rally cars, to my knowledge, take a steer into Gravel (has the toyota, Opel and Lancia ECV1). I believe this is the only game that features these without mods
I think another honourable mention would be the 2021 BMW M4 DTM after the Class One Regulations. It was developed, but after DTM went to become a GT3 Championship it never got to be raced. At least it found its way into Simracing.
According to Adrian Newry, the MP4-19 was just the MP4-18 with the 8 changed to a 9, and the reason the car didn't work till the mid 2004 season "B" spec was because McLaren didn't listen to him about a package redesign that should have been done to the 18 in late 2003 but the rest of the aero team said it could work without the time and cost of a redesign. I think Newey was right and should have been listed too as he'd be off to Red Bull Racing in part due to not being respected correctly.
For anyone that would like to see the Toyota TF110 up close, it's displayed with some other rarities (The first Jordan-Ford F1 car Schumacher raced on, a Dakar Volkswagen Touareg, a 919 Hybrid, the uber-rare Audi R8R LMP Proto, etc) at Automuseum PROTOYP in Hamburg, Germany! :)
Lancia for life ❤️
I kinda wished Toyota had the chance to race the 22D, it would have been cool to see later versions of the MR2/MRS in rally spec, even just for RWD specific rallies.
The amount of group b/group S cars that was never used could fill this list over 4 times over.
I really like these videos and the narrator has a very pleasing voice as well!
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Also Peugeot 905 evo2, successor of the top group c machine.
It did only one race, Magny Cours 500 SWC 1992
Ah, the supercopter
The lot of Group S and Group B prototypes that never raced is fascinating and intriguing. The 190e was originally conceived as a Group B car, there was an Alfa, the Porsche 959, a collaboration between Daihatsu and DeTomaso, all for Group B. Mazda also had a Group S prototype in the works!
Almost criminal levels of negligence leaving out the very beautiful Jaguar XJ13.
I made a similar video years ago (but focused on rally), it's always intetesting to see what we almost see on tracks
Hello mate, love your videos!
@@karelpgbr Thanks mate 😁
My all-time dream car is a road-going Lancia Delta S4 Stradale. Surprisingly few videos about them. A road-legal ECV would be truly wild!
There are a few shots of a S4 Pikes Peak…. MADNESS.
@@dusankocisevic6823 - Thanks. Would that be the road or rally version?
@@AtheistOrphan It’s a rally for sure. Driven by Paolo Alessandrini in ‘87 and maybe in ‘88 also. IMO, the best looking was the army-green prototipo filmed in La Mandria test track!😍😍
@@dusankocisevic6823 - Thank you. The road-going S4 Stradale is the one for me. (If only!)
@@AtheistOrphan I agree! Just to find a bank, interested to buy me one.🤣🤣
Knowing Lancia they would probably just stop somewhere in the Monte Carlo mountains and quickly turn that engine up to full 600bhp
Or some toyota style air restrictor shenanigans :D
yeah you really cant say something sketchy wasnt gonna be afoot when they built it to have double the competing horsepower requirement.
@@MasterOfTruck The regulations were changing on a monthly basis back then. First ruleset allowed up to 800, then 600, later back to 300 and after all that failed, the class failed too
The Group S regs were never fully signed off on which is why the manufactures were building cars with power alot higher than 300bhp.
So well put together and informative!
I would have love to seen the Porsche no doubt!
I wish the 288 GTO Evo raced
that deltawing would be so cool to see racing in a whole field of them
The Peugeot 905 Evo 2 supercopter
It was ahead of it's time
The prospect of VW competing in the WRC for 2017 was so exciting for me. I was so gutted when they announced they were pulling the plug. Still, all the test footage of the car is awesome to see.
Sad to not see the koenigsegg CCGT on this list as it wouldve been an absolutely dominant car had it been able to race
That's still the best looking Koenigsegg even to this day. I think it could have done well if I had a chance to enter competition.
Alfa Romeo simply amazing beautiful!
Awesome list on never heard before racecars .. this episode is awesome at any degree 😎👍🏾🇵🇭DeliciouslifeTV! Cool episode!!
I actually went to the Chicago motor show the year the Deltawing was revealed. At the time I couldn't fathom how the car worked, but as we found out it did work in sports car racing.
I wish I could drive those cars on SIm-racing games. The idea of driving a cars that been canceled or forgotten by time is really amusing.
How about the Williams FW15C? The version with a CVT transmission that was banned before they ever raced it.
great audio quality 🙂
WOOOOOOOOOW AWESOME ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Also, I know the Deltawing had a bit of a peculiar shape, but to a more innocent eye, I thought they resembled retro-futurisitc/airstreamer concepts of the 50s and 60s. Would have been nice to see a limited series testing alternative fuels, with a "car of the future, today" styled theme
i’m still glad that Dallara was chosen，as the Deltawing is possible the uglyest Indycar i’ve ever seen（admittedly，i say that as someone who loved the IR-05s，but still。nothing will ever eclipse the Dallara IR-05 interms being the most beautiful open wheel racing cars ever made，and that is a fact。），and it would’ve have ruined the sport。
I think that smokey yunick's 68 chevelle should have been on this list too
It's not a definitive list, we'll do more.
Koenigsegg CCGT was for me the most iconic race car that never raced
The Alfa romeo died so the 155 v6 ti can live i totally agree that car tore the track up
My top 3 (in no particular order) Peugeot 905 evo2, Ferrari F50 gt1, Audi R18(2017)
Honorable mention: TVR Cerbera Speed 12
The Evo2 looked like it was from another planet. As Peugeot were at the top of their game in the SWC in 1992, I have no doubt the Evo2 would have been stunningly quick. Just a shame it never had the chance to show its potential.
Audi were developing R18 for the 2017. That thing would be monstrous.
Literally the car from wreckfest
If the Porsche LMP2000 raced, it would’ve denied Audi’s racing success outright. The Porsche RS Spyder was an LMP2 car and was easily capable of keeping up with the Audi’s and were more reliable
1:53 that’s gorgeous
Detomaso 926 group B.
The Lanica would've been an absolute beast ngl had Group S not been cancelled
In my opinion, the ECV is the best Lancia ever.
Group-S had plenty cool prototypes all were mostly mid-engines : Audi RS002, ECV1 & ECV2, Toyota MR222D, Peugeot 405 T16-Quasar, Ford RS-200 S, MG Metro 6R-V6 AWD, Opel Kadet 4X4, Seat Ibiza Bimoto, Mazda RX7S, Mitsubishi Starrion 4WD, Lada Samara EVA-S, BMW M1 Procar, Ferrari 288 GTO S, Porsche 959.. All were crazy.
Audi LMDH now
If I remember correctly, the problem with the MP4-18 was that it was too compact and developed overheating (and other?) problems. We now all know what could have been, because they did the compact - size zero - design again in the Mclaren/Honda/Alonso era, where Honda had to dial down the power to GP2 level just to survive a grand prix distance.
Cooling for a V6 turbo hybrid is quite different tho, plus Adrian Knew what he was doing, he realized the mistake but McLaren didn't want to fix it, just to make another car.
@@afoxwithahat7846 Abit late, but I think the point here was that Mclaren basically didn't learn their lesson with the MP4-18 and would repeat this same mistake (along with making many new ones) with the MP4-30. Regardless if its a V10 or V8 or V6 (with or without Hybrid either), having overheating problems due to being too compact means the packaging is flawed. Its said that many just straight dumped the blame on Honda when it was Ron Dennis arrogance that was clear as day even back in 2003. There was a reason thye lost Adrien Newey to Red Bull, the same reason Williams lost Newey to them in the first place and the same reason Newey is now at Aston Martin.
VW didn't only do sketchy emission things in the US. Europe has a dozen times more VW cars but in the US they had do pay a waaaaay bigger fine than here.
And now the funny part: The crime they have commited by that (in Germany) would have cost them alot of money but thanks to VW's lobby (duh...) the government suddenly tweaked the law so VW barely had to pay anything. They are making it even sketchier.
Can't help thinking that Don Panoz has 'compensation' issues.....
I think the Peugeot 905 Evo 2 should also be here
I would have liked to see more about the Toyota 222D which I also don't think ever got to be raced.
It didn't, just like the 002 Quattro. Or the Ford RS200 Evo 2 and the Peugeot 205 T16 Evo 3 (not sure if these count, since they are just evolutions). Speaking of the Quattro, there was a Group B Quattro prototype with the engine in the middle, but the car hasn't been seen for like 40 years. It's possible it served as a base for the Group S 002 Quattro.
you forgot the Nissan P35 GTP car that was built, tested but never raced as Nissan pulled out of GTP
Alfa looks AMAZING……..
I would also add koenigsegg ccgt
I'm naturally drawn towards the Lancia! Mainly cuz it's a Lancia! But, I must admit, that Alfa was quite a pretty car (then again, it IS an Alfa Romeo, so...)! If noult else, though, I would love to see these in a game somewhere, even Lancia's Group C cars! All we ever get of Lancia is their Rally cars, be nice for a bit of variety, I mean, I know they were dominant and I never turn down a Delta S4, but...
some 1-off racing game called gravel actually has the lancia ecv in it and its unironically the best car in the game.
@@MasterOfTruck Gravel...? I think I've seen that as well... What's it on again?
@@CD-Gaming ps4, xb1, pc
@@MasterOfTruck I shall keep an eye on the PS4 section then! Jus got a PS4 recently 'n'all! How's that for timing!
Another one worth mentioning was the lincoln nascar concept from 1996
"Or they could have been rubbish" 😄
That new polo GTi had potential for daysss!
the mitsubishi starion group B rally
Hey people.....(First Sorry for my English)......but this Page mayby forghet this fact.......the wife ov S4 engineer deteined in own garage the prototype ov S4 ecv2 with new chassys and engine called tri-flux.....same volumetric compressore with turbo charger ov S4 buy with revolutionary sistem ov injection (tri-flux or three-line).........and someone said able ti ho from 800hp (low boost) to 1100hp (higt boost)...... Some italian site talk about this...... saluti dall'Italia
To this day, it still bums me out that the 908 Hybrid4 Never raced. It was developed, completed and clearly was in working order as seen in the videos that showed it testing. And yet as the team were in Sebring for the usual testing phase, they get the call that the plug has been pulled.
Thats the difference between racing teams and corporate fat cats
First gen of WRC regulation was actually based on Group S
These are "proper" race cars that to me have every right to enter the goodwood climb challenge, unlike the latest record holder which is what sort of race car?
I think the F50 GT could have done very well between '96 and '98 before GT1 died out.
Citroen C4 Hybrid WRC over 10 years ago....
delta s4 martini group b: am i a joke to you
How about the RS200?
POLO
it’s kind of still baffles me，that as ugly as the Dallara DW12 was（even compared the IR-05），we very nearly got somat worse the form of the Deltawing。
Koenigsegg CCGT
Toyota 222d group s
Rear wing of Polo GTI WRC looks pretty similar to what we've seen in Polo R WRX(and 2.0l engine, around 560-570hp). Maybe they kinda used new WRC parts to create killer WRX Polo out of older chassis?
🎬🥰✌️
At the time I also heard that Opel worked on a Kadett rally car with 1000hp. But then the rules changed.
At first glance, that Lancia ECV looked like an old AMC Gremlin. I wondered who made a Gremlin into a racing car.
33, not 30 cars race at Indy.
I guess if any of these could be entered in the timed shootout then they could said to have 'raced', belatedly.
where koenigsegg CCGT???
A car that definitely would have changed motorsport forever is the McLaren MP4/8 "Lambo": loved by Senna, not so much by Ferrari and Todt...
love the video hate the music. please no bullshit hip modern trash music. just images would be best or at least some sort of mechanical auto noises in the back ground, perhaps sample from auto delta. much more fitting.
So russians wanted to race in group s?...we learn everyday ig.
Horrendous use of the word 'stillborn'