I just recently got an obsession with Brian Jones. The more I listen to pre 1967 Stones when Jones still had some form of influence, you can just hear the difference. Songs like Paint it Black, Mother’s little Helper and Ruby Tuesday. They all just sound so unique and better than the post Jones era :(
The post jones era? The mick taylorz era was the best, fyi especially you annoying kids, I was there I knew the band and nick taylorz was a gentleman to me, he said to me one time “ kid I’ve heard you play before and you’ve got it ,what the fuck it is I dunno but elvis had it too” true words, respect nick , you were a true friend ❤
The Stones themselves left Brian to die. Then later they managed to screw Mick Taylor out of his royalties. Then even later put the screws to Bill Wyman. Love the music, hate their greed.
It seems it happened to many bands back then. Broken contracts and mismanagement. Lack of experience. The music business is tough. They would have been better if Jones had lived on, and allowed the reins.
Why stay on then ?? Why didn't he leave and form a band with Brian if Brian was so great ? I'm sure Charlie also knew which side his bread was buttered
Thank god for Bill Wyman, no egotistical bullshit, truly the voice of reason within the stones. Shame nobody listened to him, he might have stayed a little longer. RIP Brian
I remember hearing this on the radio the morning after on the 3rd of July. 8 hours later i was laid on a trolley in Leeds General Infirmary after being a victim of a hit and run whilst coming home from school. I was in a critical state with my life hanging by a thread. I had a badly fractured skull and a crushed pelvis, i need over 100 stitches to my face and head and my parents were told it was 50/50 that i'd live until morning. I was 12 years old then and i made it but Brian's death will always remind me of my near fatality. RIP Brian, for me the Stones never quite climbed the heights they did when you were with them.
The only friends who really mourned Brian's death were Charlie Watts, Jim Morrison who dedicated a poem to him, Jimmy Hendrix, his psychedelic partner, John Lennon, George Harrison, and Bob Dylan who gave him his coffin.
Actually, he did give a shit about his kids. His second child, Mark, that he had with Pat Andrews was very important to him. He did his absolute best to try and raise him and spend time with him, this is also confirmed by Pat. She later states that she never blamed him for not being there when his band got serious.
This clip is from 25X5. Never been on DVD although I have it on VHS. Great video overview of the 25th anniversary of this great, great band of musicians. What blows me away is that they just celebrated their 50th anniversary. So, what I wanna know is where the f*ck have the last 25 years gone (happily, I've seen them 3 times so that's a good thing but damn! The time is flying by!)!
It's not known what "came to be known later"...but what Mick and Keith told the press. Yes it is a fact that Brian was not the best person to be around but he was struggling with alienation from his own band. Why people believe only what Mick and Keith say about Brian? (and I want to make myself clear, Keith is my fav one). I've read Wyman's book and I realized that there was "another Brian". In Faithfull's autobiography still, the same thing. Even Pallenberg has good things to say about him.
Totally. Those around Jimi Hendrix said the same thing (he and Jimi were mates) George Harrison had nice things to say as did Mick Fleetwood, Ginger Baker, Pete Townsend and others. I think Mick and Keith run him down to enhance their own legacy.
Jagger is BRUTAL , while Charlie was battling his cancer and Mick was asked of the future of the stones without missing a beat he answered "We'll get another drummer" Just out of respect a solemn "We don't know", would have been apropos. John Lennon, not known for mincing words was asked the question of what they would do without Brian Epstein and had the decency of saying those same words "We don't know"
RIP (Elmo Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones). Played By: Leo Gregory. Born: Saturday, February 28, 1942, Cheltenham, Gloucestershine, England. Died: Wednesday, July 3, 1969, Hartfield, Sussex, England, (Age 27). Cause Of Death: Drowning.
yea people back then didn't know how to handle drug addictions and they weren't true friends either cause they would've stuck by him and helped him instead of caring more about their money and tours that mick just kept scheduling
Where Brian went is where we all go sooner or later. Perhaps the biggest sadness of his life was that it was "sooner" and that if you actually look at some of those public appearances, you can feel the bottom coming up like Keith did.
Nothing seems to rattle Mick much imo he just plows right through wives kids divorces deaths he's the definition of a rolling stone gathers no moss not attached just keeps going. Look at that concert with the hells angels people getting stabbed and beaten he just says ight ight calm down everyone and keeps on singing.
Brian was no angel, but you're not taking in the larger picture. None of the front three were any "nicer" than the other (Marianne Faithful is quoted as saying that Brian underestimated how ruthless Jagger really was, for example, and Keith almost brought the whole thing down with his drug addiction), and it is not accurate to say the band was not saddened by his death. That, simply, is not true.
Bill was saddened by his death. Charlie might have been deep down. The Glimtards were partly responsible for Brian's death and only interested in covering their own asses!
@@kimmyfriedman1055 Stay of the drugs Kimmy and get a life. Actually find Brian's fault for his drug habits which killed him in the end in swimming pool. He need a VISA for American 1969 tour he couldn't get one with his convictions. Plus he hardly contributed to Stones in 1968/1969 period. It was so bad they turned of his amp.
1968 and 1969 were the most difficult years personally in my Family. My Uncle was killed at 21 years old 3 days before Christmas in 1968 in a car crash. He had 3 Sisters and 3 Brothers. He was the Youngest.
My Family has never gotten over it and has never completely enjoyed any Christmas since nearly 50 years later. i remember last seeing him helping my Dad paint our Family Home in the Autumn of 1968. He was the kindest, most humble and the one in the Family that never got into any trouble.
I am a bit maddened by the treatment Keith and Mick gave Brian even after his death. doing drugs? Was that not their reason for dismembering Brian? At least Bill had sympathy and missed Brian and eventually left the band for him and because of fear of the same thing happening to him. Charlie even said he regretted what he and the band did to Brian. I am not putting it across that Mick and Keith are evil I am just implying that they should at least been kind to the one who gave them their much appreciated fame.
This isn't really true. Jagger and Richards have big egos - they talk a lot of crap! Brian Jones was still very close friends with Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts and Ian Stewart right up until his death. He only fell out with Mick and Keith
Mick was noway going to lose the name Brian created or royalties,no way and he knew legal Brian had him backed in a corner. Mick is a narcissist. Enough said on Brian's demise in my opinion
I think Mick and Keith should have dropped everything and went to pay their respects to Brian for me no excuse I know Mick was here in Australia doing Ned Kelly but so what
Bill is nice and all, but the only one to admit that they back stabbed Brian was Charlie, Mick and Keith still don't have the balls to say it; we took away his band.
This is a clip from the documentary film '25x5 The Continuing Adventures Of The Rolling Stones' which was released in 1990. Bill explains Mick's absence at Brian's funeral mentioning he was in Australia making the film 'Ned Kelly', and says at 0:42 Keith couldn't attend as he was 'working the studio'. The clip of Bill here is an interview from probably 1969 or 1970 that was included in the 1990 documentary, the interview with Charlie we see here was exclusively done for that documentary film. All five band members are exclusively interviewed in it - the clip of Bill here is a rare oldie they incorporated. Bill implies Keith's absence was inevitable and justified with his remark of how Keith was 'working in the studio', but Bill is being polite here. 20 or 21 years later, in his autobiography 'Stoned' which came out in 1990, Bill takes a different angle, saying "I was saddened by the absence of Keith". Any friendship that had existed between Brian and Keith ended approximately two years before Brian died when Keith started dating Brian's girlfriend Anita Pallenberg - they were together for years subsequently and had children together - so maybe it was inevitable Keith wouldn't attend the funeral.
Even in that clip, you see a certain cold-eyed wisdom that was hard-earned. It's gotten gentler with the passing of years but he strikes me as being a fairly scary guy to be around in his younger days.
Brian Jones was the Founder and Teacher of the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richard came into the Band as the Students. Ron Wood to me always seemed to be a better rhythm section fit for the Jeff Beck Group and the Faces style. Not the Rolling Stones.
Couldn't agree more about Ron wood ,worst stone ever ! Done some real good stuff with the faces and jeff beck ill give him that . With the stones just looks like a dirty smack head and is nothing more than kieths bitch .
You may be right. I don't know everything. I am a big Stones fan though since 30 years ago, but Brian was dead by then. Favorite band ever and never has changed in 30 years. More like 32 years. But because Brian was dead already then, I guess I never really appreciated him. (But I still think it was his own fault what happened to him. Gosh, if you got Keith telling you to lay off the partying, you got problems beyond the band's control!)
Bill Wyman and Charly Watts hat put it to the Point. Brian was sacked and that gave him the rest. But of course Brian Jones was from his character very difficult: Drugs, alcohol...everything. especially hard to handle for a successfully band, like Mick and Keith had to put the Stones together. You have to see also Jagger and Richards in a very difficult situation: The band leader is completely far out. By self-destruction!
After reading Keith Richards bio. He didn't party nearly as much as people think. He said he would do one line of coke and it would last him all night. The amount of drugs he would do in a week Ozzy would do in hours.
I dont believe in any conspiracies much less that Mick & Keith had anything to do with his death, but it was a very convenient end to what was becoming a rather sad affair. Brian had already been kicked out with a measly promise of financial compensation , and he was having none of it. There's a line in "Symphaty" which is just spooky "And I lay traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay" Brian was on his way to Bombay
It is so sad and unfortunate, but I believe in the end that Brian had no real friends that truly knew him or cared for him ... however "The Golden Stone" is still alive, and forever young in our memories. ♥ Brian ♥
I never ever heard that excuse before !! Bill Wyman would of told it . Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithful left for Australia to make a movie , That's why they didn't go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mick and Marianne Faithfull couldn't make it to the funeral because they were in Australia to make the film "Ned Kelly". Jagger was under contract and was threatened with litigation if he didn't arrive at a certain time. Keith Richards absence is for blatantly obvious reasons. He had hooked up with Brian's girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg. His absence was the proper thing to do after what he did to Brian. Brian, Keith and Anita were on their way to Morocco. Brian got sick on the way there with his asthma. He was hospitalised in France. Keith and Anita continued on the journey to Morocco, hooking up and having sex in the back of the Rolls Royce. Brian was left without any means to pay his way home. His wallet was taken and so was his passport.
No disrespect to Mick Taylor i like him more than Ron Wood. No one else could fit the Band in the new direction they went after Brian Jones except Mick Taylor. But Brian Jones was the Founder and Teacher of the Band.
Brian could write music too, didn't he do the sountrack on Anitas' movie? He could write, but the totally block him, u should reag Stone Alone by Bill Wyman, he refers to Richards,Jagger,Andrew as "the unholy trinity" because of the way the behaved, not only with Brian, but with Bill and Charlie too.
@atticthoughts Yeah there was some serious self-destruction going on during those times. Though I also believe a lot of love and beauty...which came out in the music. Have you ever seen the film Performance before?
Well, the only reason the Stones played r+b/blues style music is because Brian Jones forced them too. He was the visionairy, who knew it could sell. Truth is, Mick and Keef wanted to play pop music. Chuck Berry rock and roll stuff like The Beatles........... I get your point, but Bill Wyman made it pretty clear that the only reason they played the music they did is because Brian Jones forced them to. They'd be a completely different band without him
Brian was a pioneer, a visionary. He introduced them to the blues, Keith likes to now run down that time as saying " we played very bad Chuck Berry" because it was the years before he and Mick became the pop writing princesses. In the 53 years since Brian death they trashed his memory all they can. That's some thanks to the guy who gave you a job.
@flakbac I don't know if you've ever seen an interview with Anita Pallenberg, but she's quoted as saying Brian was abusive to her and Keith couldn't take seeing that anymore. Maybe we all don't know these guys, but that's something straight from the mouth of the 'ole lady.'
She also was physically abusive to him and Keith, she was into sadistic sex too, there's more to this. Her being rescued by Keith is part of their story to ease their guilt.
Brown Sugar, Bitch, Can't you hear me knocking, Wild Horses, Doo doo doo Heartbreaker, Angie, Tumbling Dice, Ain't too proud to beg, It's only rock n roll
Well, as Charlie himself has noted, Keith never overdid drugs. Just a set amount and done...combine that with "a fantastic will to live" (Charlie's words) and you might just make it. Brian never could manage that.
Brian was on prescription medication but was drinking a lot in the end. He didn't ever get into Heroin like Keith. Mick could put up with Keith not functioning for ten years........
It IS sad that a relatively young life is ruined like that. But all his own fault. And happens every day with less fortunate people we never hear about. Anyway, Brian didn't make or break the Stones. The Stones are because of Jagger/Richards and they still live on. Who'd of thunk?
Yes, Teresa, thankyou for your comment. Just that I have read that Mick and Keith and Anita were following Kenneth Anger , he was in there circle and showed up at Robert Frazer's art gallery for partys.. Anger lived with Keith and Anita & alot of strange freaky things were happening in their house.. keith and Anita wanted Anger to perform a wedding ceremony like an occultic Wiccan ritual.. According to the book Up and Down with the RollingStones by Tony Sanchez their personal drug dealer for years.. Well in regards to Brian while he lived at Cotchford farm estate in Hartsfield Sussex, he had a housekeeper who looked to Brian as a son. She would spend time reading passages from the bible with Brian and sipping on tea. Brian was raised as a christian, he was a choir boy in the church his parents attended in Cheltenham.. But coming of age makes us rebel against the constraints of authority, it is passage of youth.. I have read too much on what the Stones were into and it is creepy. I like their music but the whole occultic stuff no thanks...
The thing about Brian Jones is that I think that Keith called it right about him. I look at him on the TAMI show and yeah, they're all nervous as hell. But Brian...watching him was like looking at those old photos of Kurt Cobain just before he died. HE knew he wasn't going to make it.
Keith himself didn't exactly give himself a pass over that mess. It's also worth remembering what his and Pallenberg's relationship had degenerated into by the late 1970s...if Keith's book "Life" is any guide, it wasn't a pretty sight.
I've read that. It's interesting that Thorogood's ex gf - Joan Fitzsimmons, was attacked and left for dead 3 weeks after Jones' death. I'm still suspicious of him. And Janet Lawson, Brian's nurse, the one who found him, said she saw Thorogood jump into the pool and "do something" to him. He could very well have inadvertantly killed him. I think Tom made sure this accident didn't reflect bad on the band considering they'd just fired the guy, so he took stuff. Who knows...
Keith was in studio...probably putting down riffs for Shine a Light. People deal with tragedies in different ways. Exile did have it's genesis in '69...
Shine a light was at first a Mick's and Leon Russell composition tittled Get a Line on you, (68 you can ear it on youtube) it was about Brian before he die.
Not completely untrue but Keith & Anita are still pals to this day. In fact, almost all people who were friends were Keith (and are still alive) are still friends with him. A very loyal dude. I'd say Keith is probably the only reason Anita is still alive.
He certainly wasn’t loyal to Brian! If it wasn’t for Brian the rest of them would have never been rich and famous and no one would have known their names! He not only try’s to rewrite history saying it was Ian Stewart’s band when he knows damn well it was Brian that placed the ad wanting to put a Blues band together, that it was Brian who recruited Ian as well as Mick and himself. Brian taught him everything on guitar, and he repays this by stealing his girlfriend and trying to erase Brian Jones from the history of The Rolling Stones as the founder! What an ungrateful bastard!
@atticthoughts I never thought Keith rescued her - that was simply a recounting of the events from her pov from an interview. I know what a strong willed woman she was. I just think it's short-sighted to say anyone stole anyone, because people make their own decisions. Even if she was a 'manipulative and abusive bitch,' she was a driving force to that band. I'm sure everyone involved would have bad/good things to say about each other. Human beings and their relations are complex things.
@atticthoughts Yes I have it too! Soooo good, one of my faves. I catch something new every time I watch it. Late 60s were the best... so inspirational!
One of the best jokes I ever heard back in the 2000s was "Who would have thought back in the '70s that Keith Richards would still be alive and John Denver would be dead?"
I'd advise you to look at him during the famous TAMI show appearance in 1964. Yes, they're all nervous as hell (coming on the heels of James Brown, wouldn't you be?) but Brian in particular looks like he'd like that camera to just stop rolling.
I'm sorry my friend, as much as I admire Brian Jones and the music he helped provide us, the Stones, by almost any objective measure were at their peak during the Mick Taylor era!
It's not that Brian Jones was a bad person or a psycho. It's how alcohol and drugs will affect you. So where were the others when the addiction was at its rise? That's a nice question. On the other hand, I think that there was a kind of an unwritten rule, according to which, any person who tends to get distant from the Stones surroundings, goes to the black list and is finally deleted. Think about it a little bit...Brian Jones Marianne Faithfull, Mick Taylor...even Anita Pallenberg
he was bipolar, not diagnosed but from what I gather he did seem like bipolar and people didn't seem to understand that. and yes he had a rep for beating up his girlfriends but you gotta wonder if they provoked him somehow cause his last girlfriend says he never touched her in that way before.
What is true is that he was alienated even from the beginning and Charlie watts even said that he regrets the way they treated brian and mick said that it was unfortunate the way they "picked on him and singled him out but he made himself a target for it".
I'm curious what you think about the story that Janet Lawson told before she died a few years ago. I had a dream about Brian's death about 10 yrs after he died - I know he had severe asthma and was horsing around in the pool and had a few pills. I heard that Thorogood made a death bed confession (which Keith doesn't believe)- which would explain how he knew he was at the bottom of the pool before Janet said anything. But, this is a part I'm not certain of - I'm curious what your thoughts are.
@8757kathy They really did not take anything away, he gave it away. If you listen further to what Charlie had to say is that Brian was not a very nice person. He chose drugs over music and it cost him his life.
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I just recently got an obsession with Brian Jones. The more I listen to pre 1967 Stones when Jones still had some form of influence, you can just hear the difference. Songs like Paint it Black, Mother’s little Helper and Ruby Tuesday. They all just sound so unique and better than the post Jones era :(
Me too! They're nothing without him!😍👶🏼💘🤷🏻🎵🎶
@@girlfullofsorrow Yes they are got better without him
@@girlfullofsorrow mick jagger is a million times better than that loser jones.
The post jones era? The mick taylorz era was the best, fyi especially you annoying kids, I was there I knew the band and nick taylorz was a gentleman to me, he said to me one time “ kid I’ve heard you play before and you’ve got it ,what the fuck it is I dunno but elvis had it too” true words, respect nick , you were a true friend ❤
The Stones themselves left Brian to die. Then later they managed to screw Mick Taylor out of his royalties. Then even later put the screws to Bill Wyman. Love the music, hate their greed.
It seems it happened to many bands back then. Broken contracts and mismanagement. Lack of experience. The music business is tough. They would have been better if Jones had lived on, and allowed the reins.
They're rats underneath! Not nice honest people at all!😑
@@girlfullofsorrow Must not be a true fan ...Beatles rat more like.
Mick and Keith..The Gutter Twins..💯👿😈
Charlie, such a good man. He knew what they did to him.
I have a grandpa Charlie but he also died.
Chainsaw Agitate what are u talking about??
Oh he knew he knew many dark secrets he took to his grave.
Why stay on then ??
Why didn't he leave and form a band with Brian if Brian was so great ?
I'm sure Charlie also knew which side his bread was buttered
Thank god for Bill Wyman, no egotistical bullshit, truly the voice of reason within the stones. Shame nobody listened to him, he might have stayed a little longer. RIP Brian
I remember hearing this on the radio the morning after on the 3rd of July. 8 hours later i was laid on a trolley in Leeds General Infirmary after being a victim of a hit and run whilst coming home from school. I was in a critical state with my life hanging by a thread. I had a badly fractured skull and a crushed pelvis, i need over 100 stitches to my face and head and my parents were told it was 50/50 that i'd live until morning. I was 12 years old then and i made it but Brian's death will always remind me of my near fatality. RIP Brian, for me the Stones never quite climbed the heights they did when you were with them.
I live over the road from the cemetery and laid flowers today for Brian. R. I. P mate 🌹
I wish i could do that too,i love Goldie so much💔👶🏼😢☠️🌹
Yes I am lucky as my last property was 150 miles away, so now I'm only 5 minutes away from the cemetery , I shall upload a video soon 👍
Wierd, ain't it? Going on 50 years, and this loss still hurts.
I don't see how Keef has lived to be 70 with the life he's led.
He might make it to 80!
Moon Bear He just might.
Keef knows his limits.
Yes and I hope that he make it to the 90!!!
If you are asking the question .. how could Keith still be alive .. the answer is easy .. he has a big heart and treats people with respect ..
The only friends who really mourned Brian's death were Charlie Watts, Jim Morrison who dedicated a poem to him, Jimmy Hendrix, his psychedelic partner, John Lennon, George Harrison, and Bob Dylan who gave him his coffin.
M&K are ungrateful assholes😤
Dylan was hard on Jones when he was alive and felt guilty when he died...
Bill too
Actually, he did give a shit about his kids. His second child, Mark, that he had with Pat Andrews was very important to him. He did his absolute best to try and raise him and spend time with him, this is also confirmed by Pat. She later states that she never blamed him for not being there when his band got serious.
This clip is from 25X5. Never been on DVD although I have it on VHS. Great video overview of the 25th anniversary of this great, great band of musicians. What blows me away is that they just celebrated their 50th anniversary. So, what I wanna know is where the f*ck have the last 25 years gone (happily, I've seen them 3 times so that's a good thing but damn! The time is flying by!)!
Thanks for posting
I remember this
Brian had a talent I cannot comprehend
It's not known what "came to be known later"...but what Mick and Keith told the press. Yes it is a fact that Brian was not the best person to be around but he was struggling with alienation from his own band. Why people believe only what Mick and Keith say about Brian? (and I want to make myself clear, Keith is my fav one). I've read Wyman's book and I realized that there was "another Brian". In Faithfull's autobiography still, the same thing. Even Pallenberg has good things to say about him.
Totally. Those around Jimi Hendrix said the same thing (he and Jimi were mates) George Harrison had nice things to say as did Mick Fleetwood, Ginger Baker, Pete Townsend and others. I think Mick and Keith run him down to enhance their own legacy.
Ya think?
Ned Kelly...Mick played an Australian outlaw ...did a convincing job!
R.I.P brian jones the legend of roliing stones,we love you
Jagger is BRUTAL , while Charlie was battling his cancer and Mick was asked of the future of the stones without missing a beat he answered "We'll get another drummer" Just out of respect a solemn "We don't know", would have been apropos. John Lennon, not known for mincing words was asked the question of what they would do without Brian Epstein and had the decency of saying those same words "We don't know"
Because John Lennon actually cared for his people. He lost plenty of people in his life and he always mourned
JAGGER got another drummer now Steve Jordan who the hell is John Lennon ?
Poor Brian. Even Bill and Charlie couldn't help him.
Yeremia Patuan Charlie nor Bill ever said anything even when they saw how Mick, Keith and Oldham treated Brian. They just left him on his own.
@@rebeccahernandez3460 this assholes bullied him and are ungrateful until today!😤😡💔👶🏼
He was his own worse enemy
Charlie was with Mick and Keith to said to Brian that he was no more in the band.
RIP (Elmo Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones).
Played By: Leo Gregory.
Born: Saturday, February 28, 1942, Cheltenham, Gloucestershine, England.
Died: Wednesday, July 3, 1969, Hartfield, Sussex, England, (Age 27).
Cause Of Death: Drowning.
R.I.P BRIAN JONES
BORN FEBRUARY 28, 1942~DIED JULY 3, 1969 WE LUV AND MISS U DEARLY BRIAN
BRIAN JONES DIED AT THE AGE OF 27: GONE TOO SOON...
yea people back then didn't know how to handle drug addictions and they weren't true friends either cause they would've stuck by him and helped him instead of caring more about their money and tours that mick just kept scheduling
Absolutely!!! They're rats!
@@girlfullofsorrow yes the beatles and Tom Keylock you mean.
Where Brian went is where we all go sooner or later. Perhaps the biggest sadness of his life was that it was "sooner" and that if you actually look at some of those public appearances, you can feel the bottom coming up like Keith did.
they still made great music. It is tragic that he died. but it takes courage to move on and thats what they did
Nothing seems to rattle Mick much imo he just plows right through wives kids divorces deaths he's the definition of a rolling stone gathers no moss not attached just keeps going. Look at that concert with the hells angels people getting stabbed and beaten he just says ight ight calm down everyone and keeps on singing.
Brian was no angel, but you're not taking in the larger picture. None of the front three were any "nicer" than the other (Marianne Faithful is quoted as saying that Brian underestimated how ruthless Jagger really was, for example, and Keith almost brought the whole thing down with his drug addiction), and it is not accurate to say the band was not saddened by his death. That, simply, is not true.
Bill was saddened by his death. Charlie might have been deep down. The Glimtards were partly responsible for Brian's death and only interested in covering their own asses!
@@kimmyfriedman1055 Stay of the drugs Kimmy and get a life. Actually find Brian's fault for his drug habits which killed him in the end in swimming pool. He need a VISA for American 1969 tour he couldn't get one with his convictions. Plus he hardly contributed to Stones in 1968/1969 period. It was so bad they turned of his amp.
@@kimmyfriedman1055 delusional Kimmy
1968 and 1969 were the most difficult years personally in my Family. My Uncle was killed at 21 years old 3 days before Christmas in 1968 in a car crash. He had 3 Sisters and 3 Brothers. He was the Youngest.
My Family has never gotten over it and has never completely enjoyed any Christmas since nearly 50 years later. i remember last seeing him helping my Dad paint our Family Home in the Autumn of 1968. He was the kindest, most humble and the one in the Family that never got into any trouble.
I am a bit maddened by the treatment Keith and Mick gave Brian even after his death. doing drugs? Was that not their reason for dismembering Brian? At least Bill had sympathy and missed Brian and eventually left the band for him and because of fear of the same thing happening to him. Charlie even said he regretted what he and the band did to Brian. I am not putting it across that Mick and Keith are evil I am just implying that they should at least been kind to the one who gave them their much appreciated fame.
+tsclarisaxLennon If you won't I will, the Glimmer Twins are both evil fucks and without Brian Jones they would be nobodies.
tsclarisaxLennon infact Mick recently said that looking back they could have done more for brian
Keith and Mick how many hipocrisy with the man that carry them to the fame. You kick Brian out of the band.
tsclarisaxLennon
AMEN TO YOU......💔💦
Mick and Keith killed brian. Took his girl and reason to live away. Rih
2000 light years from home (The Rolling Stones) (0:00- 0:10)
Blue Turns To Grey (The Rolling Stones) (0:38 - 1:40)
This isn't really true. Jagger and Richards have big egos - they talk a lot of crap!
Brian Jones was still very close friends with Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts and Ian Stewart right up until his death. He only fell out with Mick and Keith
Mick was noway going to lose the name Brian created or royalties,no way and he knew legal Brian had him backed in a corner. Mick is a narcissist. Enough said on Brian's demise in my opinion
@@corinnetodd4807 i really like his music but bits true
I think Mick and Keith should have dropped everything and went to pay their respects to Brian for me no excuse I know Mick was here in Australia doing Ned Kelly but so what
1:34 - 1:38, the moment when Bill tried not to cry.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks he was bi-polar.
Bill is nice and all, but the only one to admit that they back stabbed Brian was Charlie, Mick and Keith still don't have the balls to say it; we took away his band.
This is a clip from the documentary film '25x5 The Continuing Adventures Of The Rolling Stones' which was released in 1990. Bill explains Mick's absence at Brian's funeral mentioning he was in Australia making the film 'Ned Kelly', and says at 0:42 Keith couldn't attend as he was 'working the studio'. The clip of Bill here is an interview from probably 1969 or 1970 that was included in the 1990 documentary, the interview with Charlie we see here was exclusively done for that documentary film. All five band members are exclusively interviewed in it - the clip of Bill here is a rare oldie they incorporated. Bill implies Keith's absence was inevitable and justified with his remark of how Keith was 'working in the studio', but Bill is being polite here. 20 or 21 years later, in his autobiography 'Stoned' which came out in 1990, Bill takes a different angle, saying "I was saddened by the absence of Keith". Any friendship that had existed between Brian and Keith ended approximately two years before Brian died when Keith started dating Brian's girlfriend Anita Pallenberg - they were together for years subsequently and had children together - so maybe it was inevitable Keith wouldn't attend the funeral.
In Keith family they used not to do funerals, Keith didn't even goes to his father's one.
Even in that clip, you see a certain cold-eyed wisdom that was hard-earned. It's gotten gentler with the passing of years but he strikes me as being a fairly scary guy to be around in his younger days.
Brian Jones was the Founder and Teacher of the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richard came into the Band as the Students. Ron Wood to me always seemed to be a better rhythm section fit for the Jeff Beck Group and the Faces style. Not the Rolling Stones.
Couldn't agree more about Ron wood ,worst stone ever ! Done some real good stuff with the faces and jeff beck ill give him that . With the stones just looks like a dirty smack head and is nothing more than kieths bitch .
He was better in Stones
They kicked him out of the band and he couldn't handle that.
And that his ex-girlfriend Anita Pallenberg went to Keith
+Daniela Schwarz I had forgotten about that!
+monte61 That is not bad,we are all not perfect.Have a great day:-)
Anita was a real alley cat .
SuperAnimelover100 That could be,she was modelling I thought,but she has always marihuana in her back...she was a junkie too...
charlie watts was right when he said that they took everything away from him when he was sacked from the stones as he was the stones
I suppose there was. Someone else listed a few songs a while back and I was impressed. But I still believe they were better when Jones was with them.
I have no words for this. In fact, I have tears.
Blue Turns to Grey
You may be right. I don't know everything. I am a big Stones fan though since 30 years ago, but Brian was dead by then. Favorite band ever and never has changed in 30 years. More like 32 years. But because Brian was dead already then, I guess I never really appreciated him. (But I still think it was his own fault what happened to him. Gosh, if you got Keith telling you to lay off the partying, you got problems beyond the band's control!)
so sad . it really hit him hard.
dude he died during the greatest time of his life... summer of 69, holy shit!
One month later, the Sharon Tate murders.
Bill Wyman and Charly Watts hat put it to the Point. Brian was sacked and that gave him the rest. But of course Brian Jones was from his character very difficult: Drugs, alcohol...everything. especially hard to handle for a successfully band, like Mick and Keith had to put the Stones together. You have to see also Jagger and Richards in a very difficult situation: The band leader is completely far out. By self-destruction!
Keith was the worthless junky in the band, not Brian! The selfish, rotten, narcissist was Mick, not Brian!
Mick and Keith are legends. Brian Jones was a troubled man in life. No wonder he was kicked out the greatest band of all time.
After reading Keith Richards bio. He didn't party nearly as much as people think. He said he would do one line of coke and it would last him all night. The amount of drugs he would do in a week Ozzy would do in hours.
Lol he was a heroin addict
I dont believe in any conspiracies much less that Mick & Keith had anything to do with his death, but it was a very convenient end to what was becoming a rather sad affair. Brian had already been kicked out with a measly promise of financial compensation , and he was having none of it. There's a line in "Symphaty" which is just spooky "And I lay traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay" Brian was on his way to Bombay
Of course they were involved in his death!
Ok so you're not gonna even give him a chance to get back on his feet? A couple of wrong turns in his mid 20s and that's it? Time to die?
@@kimmyfriedman1055 they were not
It is so sad and unfortunate, but I believe in the end that Brian had no real friends that truly knew him or cared for him ... however "The Golden Stone" is still alive, and forever young in our memories. ♥ Brian ♥
I have the friends you deserve.
how couldnt keith and mick go to brians funeral? nothings more important
+DeadFlorist Brian's family asked them not to attend so as not to turn it into a circus. It didn't work.
It was disrespectful , it made Mick and Keith look bad !!!
I never ever heard that excuse before !! Bill Wyman would of told it . Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithful left for Australia to make a movie , That's why they didn't go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
***** Sounds Wicked !
Mick and Marianne Faithfull couldn't make it to the funeral because they were in Australia to make the film "Ned Kelly". Jagger was under contract and was threatened with litigation if he didn't arrive at a certain time. Keith Richards absence is for blatantly obvious reasons. He had hooked up with Brian's girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg. His absence was the proper thing to do after what he did to Brian. Brian, Keith and Anita were on their way to Morocco. Brian got sick on the way there with his asthma. He was hospitalised in France. Keith and Anita continued on the journey to Morocco, hooking up and having sex in the back of the Rolls Royce. Brian was left without any means to pay his way home. His wallet was taken and so was his passport.
why did the best stone pass away:( I'll never understand.
His voice :)
He wasn't the best Stone
No Expectations say's he was the best.
No disrespect to Mick Taylor i like him more than Ron Wood. No one else could fit the Band in the new direction they went after Brian Jones except Mick Taylor. But Brian Jones was the Founder and Teacher of the Band.
Angel L. it matters everywhere BITCH
Brian could write music too, didn't he do the sountrack on Anitas' movie? He could write, but the totally block him, u should reag Stone Alone by Bill Wyman, he refers to Richards,Jagger,Andrew as "the unholy trinity" because of the way the behaved, not only with Brian, but with Bill and Charlie too.
In those times Bill was very occupied with very youngs girls and Charlie said that Brian was an hard guy.
@atticthoughts Yeah there was some serious self-destruction going on during those times. Though I also believe a lot of love and beauty...which came out in the music. Have you ever seen the film Performance before?
Well, the only reason the Stones played r+b/blues style music is because Brian Jones forced them too. He was the visionairy, who knew it could sell.
Truth is, Mick and Keef wanted to play pop music. Chuck Berry rock and roll stuff like The Beatles...........
I get your point, but Bill Wyman made it pretty clear that the only reason they played the music they did is because Brian Jones forced them to.
They'd be a completely different band without him
Brian was a pioneer, a visionary. He introduced them to the blues, Keith likes to now run down that time as saying " we played very bad Chuck Berry" because it was the years before he and Mick became the pop writing princesses. In the 53 years since Brian death they trashed his memory all they can. That's some thanks to the guy who gave you a job.
Charlie cared
@flakbac I don't know if you've ever seen an interview with Anita Pallenberg, but she's quoted as saying Brian was abusive to her and Keith couldn't take seeing that anymore. Maybe we all don't know these guys, but that's something straight from the mouth of the 'ole lady.'
She also was physically abusive to him and Keith, she was into sadistic sex too, there's more to this. Her being rescued by Keith is part of their story to ease their guilt.
Some of those are great songs, true.
Brown Sugar, Bitch, Can't you hear me knocking, Wild Horses, Doo doo doo Heartbreaker, Angie, Tumbling Dice, Ain't too proud to beg, It's only rock n roll
RIP Brain Jones 🇬🇧 🖤
Where's this documentary from???
Eu vi isto qd tinha uns 16 anos, ate tinha gravado em VHS. mas nao sei o nome. deu no canal 1 na altura
25x5
Well, as Charlie himself has noted, Keith never overdid drugs. Just a set amount and done...combine that with "a fantastic will to live" (Charlie's words) and you might just make it. Brian never could manage that.
Actually, Keith was a hopeless junky and Brian got clean!
@@kimmyfriedman1055 find it was Keith who got clean
@@kimmyfriedman1055 brain died because of drugs
Brian was on prescription medication but was drinking a lot in the end. He didn't ever get into Heroin like Keith. Mick could put up with Keith not functioning for ten years........
It IS sad that a relatively young life is ruined like that. But all his own fault. And happens every day with less fortunate people we never hear about. Anyway, Brian didn't make or break the Stones. The Stones are because of Jagger/Richards and they still live on. Who'd of thunk?
@reypoeta369: Blue Turns To Grey (from December's Children)
Bill Wyman is the realest Rolling Stone.
Yes, Teresa, thankyou for your comment. Just that I have read that Mick and Keith and Anita were following Kenneth Anger , he was in there circle and showed up at Robert Frazer's art gallery for partys.. Anger lived with Keith and Anita & alot of strange freaky things were happening in their house.. keith and Anita wanted Anger to perform a wedding ceremony like an occultic Wiccan ritual.. According to the book Up and Down with the RollingStones by Tony Sanchez their personal drug dealer for years.. Well in regards to Brian while he lived at Cotchford farm estate in Hartsfield Sussex, he had a housekeeper who looked to Brian as a son. She would spend time reading passages from the bible with Brian and sipping on tea. Brian was raised as a christian, he was a choir boy in the church his parents attended in Cheltenham.. But coming of age makes us rebel against the constraints of authority, it is passage of youth.. I have read too much on what the Stones were into and it is creepy. I like their music but the whole occultic stuff no thanks...
Brian was a Satanist!
Kimmy Friedman And your a jackass! Brian was no such thing and there is nothing anywhere and nobody that has ever said he was!
The thing about Brian Jones is that I think that Keith called it right about him. I look at him on the TAMI show and yeah, they're all nervous as hell. But Brian...watching him was like looking at those old photos of Kurt Cobain just before he died. HE knew he wasn't going to make it.
Keith himself didn't exactly give himself a pass over that mess. It's also worth remembering what his and Pallenberg's relationship had degenerated into by the late 1970s...if Keith's book "Life" is any guide, it wasn't a pretty sight.
I've read that. It's interesting that Thorogood's ex gf - Joan Fitzsimmons, was attacked and left for dead 3 weeks after Jones' death. I'm still suspicious of him. And Janet Lawson, Brian's nurse, the one who found him, said she saw Thorogood jump into the pool and "do something" to him. He could very well have inadvertantly killed him. I think Tom made sure this accident didn't reflect bad on the band considering they'd just fired the guy, so he took stuff. Who knows...
It was no accident!
Why did he need a nurse?
Ursula Rue B He didn’t. She just happened to be there. She was Tom Keylocks mistress.
@@kimmyfriedman1055 Yes it was
This video is part of a documentary, i saw when i was a teen, does anyone knows the name, or has a link to it??
I agree. I think it was accidental, but, I'm curious what all the secrecy is about...
Keith was in studio...probably putting down riffs for Shine a Light. People deal with tragedies in different ways. Exile did have it's genesis in '69...
Shine a light was at first a Mick's and Leon Russell composition tittled Get a Line on you, (68 you can ear it on youtube) it was about Brian before he die.
Not completely untrue but Keith & Anita are still pals to this day. In fact, almost all people who were friends were Keith (and are still alive) are still friends with him. A very loyal dude. I'd say Keith is probably the only reason Anita is still alive.
Anita finally dropped dead from VD!
He certainly wasn’t loyal to Brian! If it wasn’t for Brian the rest of them would have never been rich and famous and no one would have known their names! He not only try’s to rewrite history saying it was Ian Stewart’s band when he knows damn well it was Brian that placed the ad wanting to put a Blues band together, that it was Brian who recruited Ian as well as Mick and himself. Brian taught him everything on guitar, and he repays this by stealing his girlfriend and trying to erase Brian Jones from the history of The Rolling Stones as the founder! What an ungrateful bastard!
@@kimmyfriedman1055 Yoko Ono has VD
@@rebeccahernandez3460 Mick and Keith were already playing blues with Dick Taylor (first Stones bass) in Dartford before meeting Brian.
@atticthoughts I never thought Keith rescued her - that was simply a recounting of the events from her pov from an interview. I know what a strong willed woman she was. I just think it's short-sighted to say anyone stole anyone, because people make their own decisions. Even if she was a 'manipulative and abusive bitch,' she was a driving force to that band. I'm sure everyone involved would have bad/good things to say about each other. Human beings and their relations are complex things.
@atticthoughts Yes I have it too! Soooo good, one of my faves. I catch something new every time I watch it. Late 60s were the best... so inspirational!
oh come on there was a lot of great songs with mick taylor
Michael Phillip The Mick Taylor years were the best
One of the best jokes I ever heard back in the 2000s was "Who would have thought back in the '70s that Keith Richards would still be alive and John Denver would be dead?"
One small flaw in your theory needs addressing: why do you think Charlie stays around?
Hahaha...definitely worth pointing out. Charlie corroborated this back in 2005. Makes me wonder how Ozzy managed to survive this long.
Bill Wyman
This is depressing.
I'd advise you to look at him during the famous TAMI show appearance in 1964. Yes, they're all nervous as hell (coming on the heels of James Brown, wouldn't you be?) but Brian in particular looks like he'd like that camera to just stop rolling.
Not at all
Are you kidding? Their best music came during the Mick Taylor era.
I'm sorry my friend, as much as I admire Brian Jones and the music he helped provide us, the Stones, by almost any objective measure were at their peak during the Mick Taylor era!
Oh! I understand, thanks!
Happy birthday Brian fucking Jones
Yeah, they were...then and now. They loathed what he'd become but they remembered the guy they came up with.
@Baardnick Very true!
Did they ever do an autopsy?
Yes, his heart was enlarged as was his liver. He had substances in his body.
The substance was not enough to make him drown !
SuperAnimelover100 True. It was revealed years later he was murdered.
chrisbacos Just wish they could get to the truth . It wasn't good to hear Keith Richards pulled a knife on Brian last day alive .
He did not have enough drink or drugs in his system at the time of autopsy. You are correct on the findings of his body organs though.
Where is this from?? A movie??
@atticthoughts Ahhh George is my favorite! I have an album of chanting he did. :) I'll have to check out Wonderwall!
Like Larry King used to say on his nationally broadcasted radio show from back in the '70s, there's no accounting for taste.
Take care!:-)
Most emphatically yes...I'm sure that he's just as amazed by it as the rest of us.
It's not that Brian Jones was a bad person or a psycho. It's how alcohol and drugs will affect you. So where were the others when the addiction was at its rise? That's a nice question. On the other hand, I think that there was a kind of an unwritten rule, according to which, any person who tends to get distant from the Stones surroundings, goes to the black list and is finally deleted. Think about it a little bit...Brian Jones Marianne Faithfull, Mick Taylor...even Anita Pallenberg
he was bipolar, not diagnosed but from what I gather he did seem like bipolar and people didn't seem to understand that. and yes he had a rep for beating up his girlfriends but you gotta wonder if they provoked him somehow cause his last girlfriend says he never touched her in that way before.
what's the name of the song 0:55?
it is called the song that goes in period 55 seconds, thanks
blue turns to grey :)
What is true is that he was alienated even from the beginning and Charlie watts even said that he regrets the way they treated brian and mick said that it was unfortunate the way they "picked on him and singled him out but he made himself a target for it".
I'm curious what you think about the story that Janet Lawson told before she died a few years ago. I had a dream about Brian's death about 10 yrs after he died - I know he had severe asthma and was horsing around in the pool and had a few pills. I heard that Thorogood made a death bed confession (which Keith doesn't believe)- which would explain how he knew he was at the bottom of the pool before Janet said anything. But, this is a part I'm not certain of - I'm curious what your thoughts are.
@guyNbluejeans the best rock and roll band comes after he died, with mick taylor.Music? Check Let it bleed, exile or sticky fingers
whats the song ?
BLUE TURNS TO GREY
@8757kathy They really did not take anything away, he gave it away. If you listen further to what Charlie had to say is that Brian was not a very nice person. He chose drugs over music and it cost him his life.
Some people don't.