THE PROBLEM WITH THE BATMAN 'S JOKER
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2023
- The Batman (2022) starred a whole host of well known famous villains from Batman's Rogues Gallery.
The Riddler
The Penguin
Catwoman
... and unsurprisingly, The Joker.
( Credited as Unseen Arkham Inmate )
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These videos are a part of an upcoming long The Batman video.
You'll be getting a video on every comic character that appeared in the movie as well as other aspects of the film as well.
Yay :)
Do a video on terminator the Sarah Connor chronicles
I mean, I'd still love it, if you'd actually cover more comics, like you kind of did with the Damian video. Also, what the hell was that flickering in the beginning? My epilepsy was flaring up! Not cool! 🤯
Noice
Haven't watched yet Haven't dismissed your opinion I just thought it would be of value to point out he's actually not yet the joker. Also doesn't mean he has origin he is just in the middle of the transition
The problem with the Joker is that he always steals the show. We don’t want every Batman story to be a Joker story.
Batman wouldn't be the hero he is today without Joker. They complete each other. That's been admitted by Joker himself.
I understand that. I also understand that, having already sat through Romero, Nicholson, Hamill, Ledger, Leto, Monaghan, and Phoenix, many fans must have seen Keoghan and thought, "Not the Joker AGAIN!" But I believe that, as Batman aficionados, we NEED the Joker, and especially nowadays more than ever. With the portrayals of Batman becoming ever more self-serious and "adult," both the Joker and Harley Quinn offer us a sort of guilty pleasure. We know they're not good people, but we almost root for them because they're funny and cool, whereas all of heroes and most of the other villains tend to be grim, unsmiling tight-asses in modern Batman media. And, on a meta level, I'd say that's a stroke of genius, because that's a real-life application of the Joker's own philosophy. He knows we all want to be entertained and have fun, so he uses those aspects of his personality to corrupt us, just as he corrupted Harley. What's more, he knows we WANT to be corrupted. If we viewed all the Batman stories through a moralizing and self-tortured lens, we wouldn't have any fun at all.
The problem with the Joker is that Batman always steals Joker's show. We don't want every Joker story to be a Batman story.
@Jason Naylor and that's the problem with comics and movies based on him, you don't need joker mentioned or even in the movie for batman to be batman
Speak for yourself I love every joker take since Nicholson for the live action movies.
I think having the Joker as a cameo character for a few movies before having a main villain role could be the best way to do the character justice
He is like the Thanos for Batman’s world
@WonkerDonkaBatman copyrights expire in 2043 so don’t get your hopes up
I think either both of the scenes should have been in the film or neither of em, but I am happy that it ultimately it wasn't in the film.
I'd love to see a full version of the film where all of the deleted scenes are included.
@@dadeleemurphy85 🤡
@@dadeleemurphy85 you took perfection cannot exist to another level
@@dadeleemurphy85 I’m assuming your not a fan of the movie..
I actually like this take and hope this is the relationship they have in the series without joker having to be a main villain. Maybe these interactions can be kept as a post-credit scene after each movie
Yeah, that would be awesome.
That's a genius idea my guy, let it build up to an actual role in an entry someday
Nah, it should be an essential part of the Movie but with another Villain in the Focus. Kinda like Hanibal Lectar and Clarisse Starling
an idea i have thought about since i saw that scene was the joker molding the riddler into hush, and them being the villains of part 3
Well apparently, Matt Reeves said than that's what will be the Joker. A side villain with a Hannibal-Lecter role.
“Look I’m just a proprietor ok” I would love to hear you talk more about the characters in this series. I’m so excited to see more of this Joker because I loved that’s deleted scene and I think the future is very bright
This scene was like a post-credits scene that takes place in the middle of the movie
Although I definitely feel like there wasn't a need for a new joker. Barry keoghan is a very talented actor and came from an orphanage. And there was a emphasis on how poorly people were treated in orphanages in the Batman so he is definitely damaged just like the joker without getting the tattoo on his forehead, you could also see how uncomfortable he made Batman, he will be a great Joker in the future I predict movie #3.
I hope that if he returns in the second movie he actually act like the joker we know and love from the comics and animated shows not another guy who's joker in name only like Joaquin Phoenix's joker even if I liked it
I agree with movie #3, but I also thing he'll be in the Arkham show
In my opinion they should have used the joker from his movie and connected it with the Batman universe
@@mohabalserafe3795 I hope you get over whatever makes you think that wasn't a good Joker performance 💯💯🙄🙄 you are aware that joker has been written by endless writers now ???? There is no definitive Joker it's a " multiverse" they are endless
@@joshm2473 I didn't say the movie was awful I enjoyed it for what it was at least people like Jake Nicholson heath ledger Camron Monaghan who was the joker without given said name all of them with the exception Jared Leto's version where a bit accurate to the comics in terms of the characters personality while Phoenix's interpretation of the character is only accurate in terms of the costume and the face paint even if in the comics and animations he doesn't use a face paint but whatever that happens alot so it doesn't matter only Jake Nicholson did his iconic look perfectly my point is he's not accurate to the character in any other way doesn't have the same charisma his presence and he's an idiot and I am fine with that because the movie takes about mental health using a character that is self aware of his actions but since it is it's own thing and a different idea I am not complaining besides he might be that in the second movie who knows
I didn't even notice Joker took a paper clip in that scene.
Same here. Now I gotta re-re-rewatch it, again.
I like Barry Keoghan as the Joker. His facial features are really unsettling, his voice, though not my favorite Joker voice, is on point, and his dynamic with Batman in the deleted scene is really cool. I don't think this cameo was necessary, and I would've preferred a less commonly used villain to have been teased, but if this is one of the main things to complain about in this movie, I'd say it's doing pretty good.
Thanks for uploading man! I appreciate your balanced takes on just about every aspect of Batman. Keep it up!
The Joker looming in the background insinuates a past and world building. I love it. I’m glad they cut the scene from the body of the movie, but love the idea.
And still feel his presence.
I agree with what you said about the deleted scene and wonder if that was included in an overall ending that they had to reshoot and add more action in.
Everyone’s reaction to The Batman’s Joker
“And I thought my jokes were bad!” - Heath Ledger
Objectively wrong and shit take
Just found ur channel the other day and your vids made me go back and watch the batman again, holy crap that movie is good and the cast is really really good top to bottom.
Awesome video Vee! I also really loved the cut scene and totally agree with your stance on it. Awesome on it's own, but 100% was rightfully cut from the completed movie.
Look.... I'm just the proprietor.
“Look I’m just a proprietor okay.” I would love to see your take on penguin loved this video!
I saw this video and I was like "He was only at the end!" Now I know a scene was edited out....this makes more sense now.
Great observation, from such a small appearance. I really i’m not ready for more joker. It’s time to explore, other Batman rogues.
They have an opportunity to build up their joker as a real big threat now, do exactly what marvel did with Thanos and build him up over several films before he and Pattinson’s Batman actually meet
The Riddler has become my favorite Batman villain, mostly because of his portrayal in TAS, Frank Gorshin, and that he's so underutilized in favor of the Joker. That ending laugh off between the two made me instantly recall the hilarious scene in Batman 66 where Joker and Riddler play off each other at Penguins expense "oh hohohoho make those messages clear! "
UA-cam it to get the reference
If there was a Batman PhD this man would be the professor.
Thats Implicity pretentious
@@lordskeletor4558 ha
That would actually be Travis Langley.
@@StopCallingMeShirley1180 I'll look em up
@@StopCallingMeShirley1180 Interestingly enough, he'll be in an upcoming video. :)
I wonder if you would do a video about what do you think of Michael Keaton's Batman coming back to the movie screens
Been lowkey waiting on this video! I feel like this joker has potential for sure. I like the idea of him look disfigured like he really went into a acid bath instead of a bleach bath.
I believe the director said it was a congenital defect from birth.
i like it being a birth defect, makes him hate the world more for them judging him for unfair circumstances
@@ClicheProductions I feel like that’s what they are going for. He apparently is an orphan that stayed at the Wayne orphanage. So we’ll eventually see how it goes down
@@davidamaro1394 damn, I'm not too opposed to him being in a new movie anymore, last good movie joker was like 15 years ago soooo
@@ClicheProductions I mean joker in a batman movie yeah. But I loved the joker movie
You've just earned a new sub
I never noticed the paperclip thing. That's a really good catch.
I feel like with that one cut scene, I got a feeling, they should treat Joker in this new trilogy as Hannibal Lecter, a secondary character.
Great video
This Joker looks like he's suffering the Arkham City Titan overdose blood disease.
Really cool breakdown.
I actually loved Barry’s take on Joker. He seems like a master manipulator who knows how to get to anyone. He’s a threat being 4 inch thick protective glass and is unpredictable. He can get under your skin and tear you apart from the inside out. I’m ok seeing popular characters repeatedly if they do something different with them, which really seems to be the case here. I can’t wait to see more of him tbh.
Edit: I have a good feeling about this one guys mark my word. Also if I had to rank it’d be:
1. Mark Hammil
2. Heath Ledger
3. Joquain Phoenix
4. Barry Kheogan
where did you se that other movue. cause I just saw a freak
Nah, there's other villan arcs waiting to be explored
@@zebsboza867 Batman literally went there to ask his opinion on a case he couldn’t solve.
@@ddl3718 when did he manipulate anyone except for the riddler, who a toddler could've manipulated at that state
@@zebsboza867 joker is a Goddamn freak
Very interesting video
I do really like that they didn’t cast a household name. Every other Joker on the big screen has been an instantly recognizable actor, and I think that that can sometimes take a little away from their performance of the character. Not a lot, but enough to notice I think.
Agreed. Newcomers given a better chance is what we need more of
Your are so much fun
I am really hoping Barry's take on the Joker is more of him being a psychopath not so much an anarchist I feel like Barry could be really terrifying with the right material.
There are plans for Joker in the upcoming Arkham series on HBO. Barry and Matt have hinted at that a few times. And he’s most likely returning fully formed in The Batman Part III so it wouldn’t surprise me if he has another cameo at the end of Part II (this time with Joker and Riddler welcoming a new buddy). So yeah, it was there for a reason even though it’s not sequel bait in the obvious “he’s the next main villain!” way.
Matt also said that he put that scene in there to show the crazier villains scheming, which would foreshadow what’s to come during Batman’s crusade.
Wait there's going to be an HBO series set in this batman universe?
@@alexism9656 yep! It’s centered around the Penguin
@@alexism9656There’s going to be two
@@Johnnysmithy24 wait I know the Penguin one now but what's the other?
This version of the Joker became my favourite instantaneously
For people with Epilepsy a little warning for 0:56 to 1:17 I guess it's a render glitch there =)
Yo V the screen turning green freak me out lol . I though my phone was dying
Hey Vee Infuso great video!! I was wondering what you think about some of the latest Batman news like Keaton in the Flash Trailer and Movie!? Who will be the Villian in Batman Part 2 and what do you think about the new Batman and Damien Wayne Robin movie Brave and the Bold?!
Definitely need to see a Penguin vid
I honestly quite like the idea of the joker and other Batman villains being in the new movies but not being the focus kind of like the riddler trophies in Arkham asylum
The appearance of the Joker at the end of The Batman is a preview of the next installment, which they sometimes did in the old TV show with Adam West. In other words, an ad for "coming attractions."
I don't understand why they have to keep making the Joker look less clean. Also every iteration just pushes him farther into the realms of a physical example of a psychotic. Which I don't like because I like a Joker that doesn't present himself as a threat. Joker should seem almost harmless. Kind of like how Pennywise in Stephen Kings IT, tricks young Georgia closer to the sewer. Anyways, if one of these past three Jokers was ever out and about, no child would approach them. Something about a Joker that can cradle a kid on their knee and make balloon animals... but has a bloody razor in his hand is far more superior an image than some dude with terrible scars or gang tattoos. I think of the Batman Animated series where the mayors son gets in the back of the jokers truck and goes to his lair. The kid doesn't understand how much of a psycho he is because... he looks like a clown.
Exactly, I seems like ever since heath ledger, every actor tries too hard to be 'unique' or 'original' as ledger. Can we just get a classic looking joker?
"Even if he does kinda sound like Jonathon Taylor Thomas" 😆 holy shit.
I loved both the joker scenes and him interacting with Batman and Riddler was great and yes I'd like to see a video on the penguin 👏👍
Are the graphical glitches part of the video, or do I need a new phone?
is the video glitching out for anyone else?
Two Face is the guy with scars! Enough with the scarred Joker!
Honestly, from the little bit I've seen this joker seems like it's going to be very interesting, though I'm not completely sold out the design. I think maybe it's a bit overly grotesque, but he also doesn't have makeup or anyting on, so maybe the design would look better when it's more jokerish.
I do really like this movie though, and I do think this was a great decision for the pacing. The movie already kind of has a weird tacked-on fourth act that I think nando v movies did a really good job at analyzing, but I think the first three acts of this movie are really good. It felt like Batman instead of punisher with a cape, which is what I feel like we've been getting since the dark Knight.
What prison allows prisoners to wear makeup though?
I think he could be one of the best jokers if given the space
Vee infuso more like Pee Infuso fuckin gotem
... I didn't ask to be attacked.
@@VI_V2 love your videos man ❤️
Anyone else seeing the glitching?
During the 66 Batman Footage, right?
Yeah thank F i thought it was my TV lol
I'll fix it when it's put into the final cut of The Batman video. Thank you for bringing that to my attention--- I've been having some issues with my new work computer.
I admire his humility😁.
I did like his take I guess and honestly if they announced that he would be the main villain of the sequel I am all for it. I just hope next time we see him he has a full head of hair so he does not look like a 60s carnival worker.
honestly, I would prefer if he had background involvement until this series is ready to conclude. It'd be dope to have him as this line of films final villain.
>"I just hope next time we see him he has a full head of hair so he does not look like a 60s carnival worker."
>Joker's getup has always LITERALLY been a clown
What lol
“HoW uNiQuE aNd GoOd”😂❤
Babe Wake up Vee just posted another The Batman Video
I love Cameron Monaghan's Joker in the Gotham series
But his name is Jerome Valeska.
I think you’re forgetting that it’s a deleted scene lol
I couldn't quite understand what the fuck dude was saying for the phrase, but keep making Batman content
I hope you check out Barry Keogan’s work. Banshees of Inesherin, Eternals, just to name some favorites.
What video game is the bat mobile at 2:36?
I loved this scene
Matt Reeves also said he isn't even called the Joker at this point in Batman's career. I think it'd be POIFECT that, if they ever do bring him into these movies, he starts off being called *Gwynplaine* , like the Man Who Laughs.
"If you're not a children, piss off" is the best
Also what do you think about the new DCU slate?
Thanks for the epilepsy, 00:58
This scene absolutely needed kept in, just reworked. It needed to not so much point to Riddler but rather to Batman. He should rattle the Bat by saying “WE did this… so we are the killers” because escalation theory is what really haunts Bruce. That he makes the monsters, not stop them.
And having them already had faced off absolutely explains why cops let Batman walk into the crime scene and why Gordon trusts him so much. Because whatever Joker did that Batman stopped left that much of an impression on the city, for better or worse.
Brain dumb! Idk why but half of the new dc stuff I don’t actually watch but I do enjoy watching Vee Infuso’s videos about the subjects. It kinda gives me the vibe of watching Jeremy Wade, from River monsters, talk about fish and weird folk tales.
the problem with this joker is that I can't make out any of the shit he says
personally this my opinon nd im a huge fan of the joker hes one of my favourite villans, nd hes batmans arch nemisis, i know theres other good batman villans and they all deserve a spot in the spot light. but for me at least i want to see the joker in the matt reeves batman universe thats hes creating. im pretty sure hes planning on make a trilogy, nd personally i dont want to see the joker in the second film but rather have him in the last film as the main big bad final villan for matt reeves trilogy on the batman nd i think that would make for great story telling leaving batmans best villan for last, as well he is batmans best villan i know there are alot of stories on him and some people are tried of that but theres a reason hes been in soo many batman films, games, comics and tv shows cuz ultimately hes batmans best villan nd always does make for great story telling when hes in it
The movie def didnt need to feature joker but Barry did an amazing job, most especially in the deleted scene. That thing was fire.
The scene with jokers spoilers should have been the post credit scene, with the title card of “3 days ago” or something. Let you see it, had it in the movie, shown you joker, involved him in the plot, made it canon, but don’t let him actually spoil the plot.
You make a good case but personally I still think they should have left in the film. I love the juxtaposition between this scene with joker and later with riddler in the same room. Both of them know something Batman doesn’t giving them the upper hand despite being “caught”. Showing joker first also shows the audience a character that just by looking at him you can tell this guy belongs in the looney bin. When you see riddler later again sitting in the exact same place as joker it’s just this normal average baby faced looking guy smiling back at him. P.s. I am biased as I’m a huge fan of manhunter and always thought Batman and joker had a similar relationship as Hannibal and will graham.
Why is the video glitching.
Do a video on terminator the Sarah Connor chronicles
They gonna do a joker prequel?
Technically the smile for Nicholson came from the bullet ricocheting before he fell in & the guy who fixed his face.
Wait....was that Kevin Conroy giving the venom to Bane? Holy shit, if not they could be twins. And Edward Norton looks a lot like Harvey dent in that clip
100% agree
*Look... I'm just the proprietor, okay?*
This Joker scene should be put back in the Batman sequel!
Nothing since we've not had a chance to see him. I don't feel he's "shoehorned" in considering it's supposed to be a trilogy. We may get the War of Jokes and Riddles.
My semi-issue is that this was predicted for the Joker’s role in TDKR. Users on SuperheroHype after 2008 said Ledger’s Joker - played by, of course, JGL - was going to be a Hannibal-esque figure in Arkham who would help Batman with the Riddler - Riddler being an FBI agent gone rogue, mind, which was a neat idea.
And now that’s it’s come to life, I’m feeling kinda underwhelmed being one of those who saw this idea thought out years ago.
please make a rpoblem with the riddler, that character is riddler in name only
This version does have potential and I can see why it was removed cause it added nothing to the plot unlike penguin and Colin Farrell does a fantastic job hiding in the role that I didn’t know it was him until Sean from hot ones brought it up while interviewing him the one thing I haven’t understood about the Batman has nothing to do with the actual movie but the rise of video essays that popped up in the months after it was released trying to convince everyone that it was the citizen Kane of superhero movies I would never deny it’s a great movie and I fully enjoyed it when I saw it in theaters but I would never trying to equate it to something like citizen Kane although the essays don’t come right out and call it something like the citizen Kane of superhero movies that feel like the point they are trying to get across them knowing each other from a earlier off screen encounter does feel plausible due to the fact it happened in the 60’s also due to point in Batman’s career where he is fully accepted by Gotham and the police force by fully deputizing both Batman and robin and the actor sold that was a plausible scenario
looks like Deniro from the Untouchables
0:49 FUCKING THANK YOU
Yes the penguin batman vee
I personally feel he hasn't had enough screen time to have any problems....
(Edit: I personally feel he's the best joker so far, only if heath wasn't already him, he'd be #1)
I think the Batman part two should utilize this deleted sequence by opening up the film with it. It would backtrack us a little bit to remind us of the troubles that Batman had with the Riddler, while introducing the joker again, but in a bigger capacity than at the end of the last film. Honestly, it could be the only scene using the character in the entire film. Or, they could bring him back for one more scene toward the end. But all they really need to do is slap this scene on the beginning of the film to do a little bit of world building, and to remind us of What Batman has been through so far and it would not only be a perfect way of utilizing this footage, but also to get the new set of circumstances started. It would be a fantastic opening for the Batman part two.
Well besides the fact that it’s setting up a classic comic series the war of jokes and riddles.
There’s Literally Alot of Batman Villains that Could Be Explored and I want a Comic Book Accurate Portrayal of the Joker and Not a Dark Knight Joker Inspiration.
Honestly a comic-accurate portrayal with the long face, pointy chin, and gigantic smile would actually be the most horrifying version to see screen.
I think the full end scene was never intended to be in the movie, but released for hype.
I want Two-Face to have a movie to himself, as well as Scarecrow.
True
Id like to see this joker grow as a character in the next story. Since it would be best to not do the joker's joker this version can be its own version of society bashing clown we love
Just as long as it's not grill joker who is terrible in every way possible.
I really hope they wait to bring in the Joker as the big bad. I wouldn't mind if they had him in the background like they did in this movie. I hope we get a few movies with Pattinson/Reeves Batman and, it not be till like the third or fourth film The Joker is the main antagonist. Or maybe something like what the MCU did with Thanos and make the Joker a looming yet mysterious presence in the background and in the final movie you find out Joker is the one behind everything. Just make sure he has a good plan and reason for what he is doing.
Honestly tho Jared’s jokers teeth do make sense he killed robin and Batman beat the teeth out of his mouth
If there will be a second movie, then the scene with Joker can be include as a flashback. To show how the Joker escape the asylum.
Look... I'm just a proprietor, okay?!