I see three people who are incredibly well informed, who speak with respect about their sports' heroes, and not try to ignore any facts. Darts journalism at its best.
@@DartsandHipHopI think Smith broke that with something like 70 180s in 2022. But I agree what separates Anderson from the rest is his consistency to do it over 3 different decades.
@@arpussupra Gary is also the only other player to have multiple averages over 130 marginally behind Kyle Andersons record of 134 in a professional match. In exhibitions he has averaged over 136. Andersons top level simply cannot be matched by anyone and his consistency as i said before is absolutely remarkable that at 53 years old he can still win players championships, euro tours and not only compete but still beat the big names and be able to average 123+ The flying scotsman🏴💪
@TheAdelaiProject Prices top level is also astonishing. The level he reached during last year’s premier league and the 2021 worlds where he marginally broke Garys record for the highest set average against Gary himself were impressive. Its a shame he hasn’t been able to replicate those highs more consistently across his career however, he still has time as Gary is showing age is just a number
Phil no 1 Absolutely ...The day he retired he was playing in the World final against a player who has never repeated that performance again ..How many finals has Phil played in? Not a great loser but an absolute legend.
John Lowe is a stonewall top 10 of all-time, maybe even top 5. Eric Bristow is pretty obviously the third greatest player of all time as well, it's absurd to have him at 6.
Michael smith has to atleast get an honorable mention. Would bully boy beat Eric bristow in his prime? It’s an impossible conversation to have but I think so.
Yes he probably should have but the video was edited to include just those who got in the 10 and just outside - otherwise we'd have been talking about every world champion ever. That said, next time we will look to make it shorter and get more names mentioned.
@@SportingLifeVideo Well, Smith is not just a World Champion he is one of the Top 5 best Player on "Peak Perfomance" in an All Time Great Game but his inconsistent maybe kick him out of the Top 10 in the List ( i would agree). So maybe just a Tier List/Video for an "All Time Great Perfomance in 1 Game " instead of Whole Career could be maybe really excited! But Anyways, thanks for the Great Video. It was really entertaining and i share most of the opinions from you Guys :)
Yes, he was obviously a legend but we do stress this list was more about peak player performance rather than just the amount of titles they won. So Paul would say that if every major winner were all at their peak levels, John wouldn't have been in the worlds top 10. No doubt he'd have still won titles and done well, however.
An on form John Part had some of the biggest testicles ever seen on the oche. The avgs never captured his sheer ruthlessness under pressure. He is probably the best nicker of legs in history aswell
For the enjoyment of watching, the two I'd pick are Eric and Gary Anderson. It's a shame by the time the bigger money turned up Eric's game was gone but the arrogance and confidence was unparalleled. Gary in full flow was unbelievable, a pure entertainer
People forget Bristow, on these giant boards with the crowd and the needle he would create would be devestating. Even Phil knows Bristow wouldve had him beat in the lockerroom. Not to mention other legends like Lowe and Jocky, on these boards! CHrist, Bob Anderson would be a nightmare to play too
No Dennis Priestley in the top10 is completely wrong. I also agree with those that mentioned John Part. At his peak he was a great player. To not even be considered is a major oversight
Phil Taylor battered MVG in his last season 2017, in the Matchplay Quarter Finals, it wasn't even close. So if MVG was in his prime in 2017, Taylor at 56 smashed him. He won the Matchplay that year and got to the World Final in his final season. So Taylor was beating MVG in his prime, when Taylor was on the way out.
You said 2017 and he said 2018, but Van Gerwen was in his real prime in 2016. He won every major and he destroyed taylor in the premier leaque. He broke taylors record and won every price that year and even the world championship 2017 with the highest average in a single game and closed the wc with a bullseye. That van gerwen vs taylor 2009 would have been bery interesting. Taylor played against a lot of bakers too in his time.
@@issi529 Taylor last season was 2017, Taylor beat Van Gerwan in the World Matchplay and went on to win it. Then Taylor got to the World Final and was beaten by cross, Van Gerwan didn't win it in 2017. Taylor also beat Van Gerwan in the 2013 World Final, not in 2009 lol. You obviously don't watch darts because you have no idea what you are talking about, you have got nothing correct. Taylor vs Van Gerwan their last 10 matches head to head, Taylor won 6, drew 1 and lost only 3. That was Taylor near the end of his career and Van Gerwan in his prime. Nobody on this planet, would say Van Gerwan was the goat over Taylor.
@tonydew440 I don't say he is the goat i just said that it would be very difficult to say who would in a prile match. You are just a taylor fanboy cause like i said van gerwen was in his prime in 2016 wen he wom every tournament! No one beated him. He won every price. That was prime van gerwen. I meant 2016 van gerwen vs taylor from 2009 cause that was his prime, learn to read next time!
@@issi529 You didn't answer Tony's comments on your inaccuracy. I think the head to head figures show who was the better player. And you resorted to insults to bolster your case.
@@davidtuer5825 Head to head? Van gerwen has won 11 times and Taylor has won 9 times. So i don't know what your talking about. Btw we were talking about prime vs prime so his comment didn't made any sense. Van gerwen was in his prime when he won every major in 2016 and broke Taylor's record. He also broke Taylor's wc record too. Van gerwen destroyed everyone even in a more competitive era than Taylor did.
MVG peak in 2016/17 was against Taylor (16 worlds),Anderson (back to back worlds) Lewis (back to back worlds). Phil Taylor in 2009 faced James Wade (0 worlds), Lewis (0 Majors), RVB (1 real worlds). Take nothing from Phil Taylor but it does matter the standard you’re up against and MVG faced considerably tougher competition in general.
Don’t know how Warriner is on this list. Durrant,Adams,Lloyd,Part and even more modern players like Smith and Aspinall are better imo. A very random inclusion especially with only 1 major. Don’t know what splits Alan and Colin Lloyd, both number 1 as Taylor didn’t play in much. Lloyd has 2 majors though. Great video guys
Nicholson obsessed with averages surely it's about winning regardless of what era you're in you can only beat what in front of you at the time, Bristow 6 🤢🤢🤢 sickening, absolute madness
@@dylanmulroe9978couldn’t agree more, and moreover if it’s truly on peak performance the only conversation is whether 2009/10 Taylor could beat 2016/16 MVG. People’s list seem to alternate between peak and longevity I think that’s why some of these lists are as wonky as they are 😂
Yes, but we were focusing on players who produced a high level of performance on a regular basis to cope with the highest talent in all eras. There's no doubt John Part is a legend for what he won - but how would he cope in this 'perfect era' when all legends were operating at the top of their game. Paul didn't think his A game was strong enough to get in this top 10 but we all have our own opinions.
@@SportingLifeVideo so little, who has one big pike in his career would be a greater danger then John part? If that was the case why didn’t he win as much majors as Part? Why didn’t he never beat Taylor in a big final? Same goes for Priestley: he was the first to trow a 100+ average in a final. And has won more majors then little. It’s simply put very strange to put little above part and priestly. I would rather win 3 world titles, in the prime Taylor era, with a 97 average then be like little and have one good tournament. Being a matchplay players means something also.
@@SportingLifeVideoremind us of how many world title finals priestly was in? PDC world finals may I add. Also who won PDC/WDF first world? I’d say era bias this list
This list is almost spot on apart from Anderson is definitely third over Wright. I agree with the points on Wright his astronomical averages get overlooked all too often. I think what separates Anderson is this: Mvgs “peak” when he was pretty much unbeatable was probably 2015-2017 you could probably extend that a few years as well. However, during that three year period Anderson won two out of the three world titles and reached the final of the other. Anderson was literally the only guy on the planet who could put it up to Mvg in big tv Majors and if it wasn’t for Anderson Mvg would have alot more world titles and premier leagues.
@@jonahehlers1673 correct and I’ve also heard he has averaged 136+ in exhibitions. Although kyle andersons world record of 134 and Gary andersons multiple 130+ averages are before the days of darts connect and live streaming. Peter wrights average of 123.5 in 2016 i think it was, was live streamed and obviously mvgs premier league average of 123.4 was televised on sky so the PDC only recognise these televised averages on their official lists.
@@jonahehlers1673 Anderson has said in interviews he was better then than he was in his 2015/2016 title rain. The problem was he couldn’t hit doubles when it mattered. As he got older with more experience he finally managed to start hitting them and the result was a back to back world champ. He did win the premier league and reached a world final in 2011 even with inconsistent doubling
Garys sadistic domination of nonce klaasen in the 2016 world semi & the 2017 world final loss to prime shrek were probably higher peaks than wright reached. The wright that destroyed everything in his path at the 2021 matchplay would go toe-to-toe with 2016 shrek & gary though
1) Phil Taylor 2) Van gerwen 3) Bristow 4) John Lowe 5) Gary Anderson 6) Van Barneveld 7) Adrian Lewis 8) Dennis Priestley 9) John Part 10) Peter Wright Hard to leave Jocky Wilson off the list Luke Littler will be on this list soon
it’s pointless to compare the highest averages of players before the dartconnect era, because they do not appear on mastercaller. Lewis hit a 120 average in the gdc in 2009 but it does not appear on mastercaller.
For what it's worth I'd reverse Anderson and Wright, and if you're agreeing that Bristow would be far better if he played as much as today's players, then you'd have to do the same for the great John Lowe, he had the best throw of any darts player I've ever seen. I wouldn't have Alan Warriner in the top 10, and as someone else has said, John Part can't be too far outside the top ten either.
This wasn't a list of who has won the most - but ranking them if they were all playing at their performance peak. It'll all very subjective but John Part didn't make the 10 because his A game is arguably not as strong as what other players managed to attain. That's not to say he wouldn't have won matches or titles in this 'perfect' era when everyone is at their peak, but the cases for others were stronger.
Decent enough list. Observations, you cant have Gerwyn Price above Adrian Lewis. John Part is a big omission and takes the number 10 spot from Alan Warriner. If Rob Cross and Luke Humphries are knocking on the Top 10, then you have to throw Bullyboy into that mix.
Ppl forget how good taylors average was in his prime if you put himin todsys player pool rven though farts is more competative tsylor would stillwinmost of the tournements his average would still consistantly be wellover humpries or littlers or mvgs still
Mvg won 158 titles, thats a big big really big gap to number 3 on that list, garry won 56 titles!! Its not even close. Its 1 phill, 2 mvg, and 3 you can debate on and on and on. There are now far more game's played than back in the 80's, 90's. Compere thoseplayers is not done. My personal list would be 1phill 2mvg 3 bristow 4 low 5 garry (number 3 on the list moost titles 56)
The decision for Paul to put Alan Warriner in the top 10 won't be backed by many but he was world number one for over 50 months of his career (only Taylor and MVG have enjoyed longer streaks) and he still has the World Grand Prix record average that nobody has got close to. Paul's argument is that at his peak - on modern boards and with better equipment - he'd have made the top 10. Not everyone will agree for sure, but that was his rationale.
@@StewartyMac Well players are stronger, faster, better athletes in every possible way compared to Pele. 11 Harry Maguires would beat 11 Peles 50-0, the level of the game is so much better these days.
@@StewartyMac Ur delusional if you think any 60's player would make it these days. Pele was ahead of his time obv and earned his place in top 2 after Messi, but game has changed alot.
Not even a close debate really is it Taylor beat them all at different stages of his career and peaks of his power….he made a world championship final for his final match past his absolute peak
The dart players of the past like Eric Bristow, Jockey Wilson and big Cliff. They would be swinging punches at the crowd, the crowds today show Zero respect to the players. The crowds in the 80s still rowdy but showed more respect 😊
I get that you need to throw in some e of the older guys but the idea that Warriner-Little is higher than Smith or Humphries is ridiculous - if they were all at their peak, AWH little would be 3/1 or bigger with the bookies to beat MS or LH
The list doesn’t follow its objective. It is supposed to be about people at their peak, and yet there is constant mention of longevity. So really, MVG should probably be number 1, Anderson 2 and Luke Humphries 3.
@@mccann82 look, of course Phil Taylor should be number one on the list. He is and I’m certain will always be, the greatest darts player who has ever lived. He held the world record for highest average in a match five times, only losing the record to MVG in 2016. I was making a flippant comment about the futility of these lists. He will always be number one on any list about darting achievements. To me he is probably the most dominant SPORTSMAN ever, with the possible exception of Don Bradman with his freakish test average.
In ten years littler by a mile was a massive Taylor fan but littler is different he annihilates players when hes on it there not close if he wins it this year he wins it for the next 6
Warriner and Lewis above John Lowe?? No Jockey, Priestly or Part? They last 2 were 2 of very few who could qive early Taylor a close game and sometimes beat him
Yikes. You keep replying to comment saying "The list is if they were at their peaks". Gary Anderson at his peak was far better than Wright, as was Lewis. You cant genuinely believe Bristow at any stage of his career can compete with someone like Humphries who regularly averages 110+ or peak Lewis who did similar?
Paul Nicholson did explain why he thought Wright at his peak would edge Anderson. And the rationale for Eric Bristow was that his peak in today's world where the boards are more favourable, would see him be a real force to be reckoned with. For what it's worth, Chris Hammer wanted Luke Humphries in the top 10 but Paul had the final say.
@SportingLifeVideo Paul has had an absolute mare here then. Some people just can't get their head around the fact that sports move on with time. Nicholson is clearly one of those people. Players of today ARE better than the players of decades ago, as they SHOULD be. If this wasn't the case, the game wouldn't be advancing.
This wasn't a list of who has won the most - but ranking them if they were all playing at their performance peak. It'll all very subjective but John Part didn't make the 10 because his A game is arguably not as strong as what other players managed to attain. That's not to say he wouldn't have won matches or titles in this 'perfect' era when everyone is at their peak, but the cases for others were stronger.
@LIAMGUNNER89 It's literally a list of the best players AT THEIR PEAK 😂 You're just ignoring the criteria, as well as the response from the actual channel, and sticking with your god awful list that makes 0 sense.
I think Paul being a homer for his fellow broadcaster is a bit too obvious here. No way Alan beats a prime Rob Cross. What were the other names just outside of the top 10?
Whatever way you look around this there is no way Alan Warriner can be in the list above John Part. Infact it's a total disrespect that Warriner is in over Part and John Lowe. Even Colin Lloyd deserves to be in over Warriner.
Wade should be higher than 9th ive seen him at his peak but unfortunately Taylor was at his very best too 11 major's won not 10 in 2010 premier league final he only just lost to a peak Taylor 10.8 you hit two 9 darters in the same match
How has Adi lewis not top 6 is beyond me. Triple world champion and him and taylor mutuple world cup winner! He would have murdered Bristow in both their peaks. Adi was hitting bigger numbers and checkouts week in week out. Adi was a genius but had problems away from the ouche
Difficult list really as you basically have Phil Taylor miles out on his own and then the rest. For all the hype around MVG, he has only won 3 World titles. I think in time, both Humphries and Littler will easily overtake him and put him down to 4th.
Mvg has 158 titles! There is onley one player near him and thats the best player ever PHILL. The number 3 on that list, is garry not even close with 56 titles..... Mvg won more titles than taylor, but taylor did it with less games in a year. Sow phill is number 1, mvg number 2, and there is a big big big gap to number 3, garry......
Bizarre to include Wade. Never reached a world final or even had a match average of 100 at the worlds. On his number of tv majors he is a fringe top 10 all time contender but for a discussion about peak level he should not even be in the top 25.
This absolute nonsense. They bang on about averages, (which is obviously important) but the fact is the trebles and doubles are thirty percent bigger than they were in the 80's, 70's etc. Not having John Lowe in the top 10 is a joke and Peter Wright 3 is hilarious.. I have seen Wright cry playing Taylor, he would have been crying before the game against Eric. John Lowe would and DID thrash Warriner, honestly this list is comical! should be 1. Taylor 2. MVG 3. Bristow 4. Gary A 5. RVB 6. Lowe 7. Wright 8. Lewis 9. Dennis Priestley 10. Part.
2016 MVG vs 2009 Phil Taylor would be the pinnacle of darts
I see three people who are incredibly well informed, who speak with respect about their sports' heroes, and not try to ignore any facts. Darts journalism at its best.
But they in fact did. Alan Warriner..wins 1..is at 10??
Gary Anderson, during 1 of this years PDC floor events, hit 46 180’s, smashing the record of 35 and also missed double 12 3 times for 9 darters.
I think Gary Anderson has the most 180’s in a tournament at 64. Definitly the best 180 hitter in history.
@@DartsandHipHopI think Smith broke that with something like 70 180s in 2022. But I agree what separates Anderson from the rest is his consistency to do it over 3 different decades.
and a few days ago he played a 123 average in a game against Gilding. I'd put him above Peter Wright.
@@arpussupra Gary is also the only other player to have multiple averages over 130 marginally behind Kyle Andersons record of 134 in a professional match. In exhibitions he has averaged over 136. Andersons top level simply cannot be matched by anyone and his consistency as i said before is absolutely remarkable that at 53 years old he can still win players championships, euro tours and not only compete but still beat the big names and be able to average 123+
The flying scotsman🏴💪
@TheAdelaiProject Prices top level is also astonishing. The level he reached during last year’s premier league and the 2021 worlds where he marginally broke Garys record for the highest set average against Gary himself were impressive. Its a shame he hasn’t been able to replicate those highs more consistently across his career however, he still has time as Gary is showing age is just a number
I would switch Anderson and Wright but other than that, spot on imho.
Well thought-out and well explained by a great panel.
Adrian, mvg and Gary are my 3 favourite dart players of all time just beautiful to watch
Still Phil is the GOAT
@@thomasroedgaard117 Agreed!
Phil no 1 Absolutely ...The day he retired he was playing in the World final against a player who has never repeated that performance again ..How many finals has Phil played in? Not a great loser but an absolute legend.
John Lowe, bob Anderson, jockey Wilson not to get a mention due to era bias makes this list nonsense
John Lowe is a stonewall top 10 of all-time, maybe even top 5. Eric Bristow is pretty obviously the third greatest player of all time as well, it's absurd to have him at 6.
Great posting !!!
Michael smith has to atleast get an honorable mention. Would bully boy beat Eric bristow in his prime? It’s an impossible conversation to have but I think so.
Yes he probably should have but the video was edited to include just those who got in the 10 and just outside - otherwise we'd have been talking about every world champion ever. That said, next time we will look to make it shorter and get more names mentioned.
@@SportingLifeVideo Well, Smith is not just a World Champion he is one of the Top 5 best Player on "Peak Perfomance" in an All Time Great Game but his inconsistent maybe kick him out of the Top 10 in the List ( i would agree). So maybe just a Tier List/Video for an "All Time Great Perfomance in 1 Game " instead of Whole Career could be maybe really excited! But Anyways, thanks for the Great Video. It was really entertaining and i share most of the opinions from you Guys :)
List is decent but John part needed a mention
Yes, he was obviously a legend but we do stress this list was more about peak player performance rather than just the amount of titles they won. So Paul would say that if every major winner were all at their peak levels, John wouldn't have been in the worlds top 10. No doubt he'd have still won titles and done well, however.
Seconded
@@SportingLifeVideo Parts peak was beating Phil taylor in a world final, that's a big peak
No respect from the wall either 😊
An on form John Part had some of the biggest testicles ever seen on the oche. The avgs never captured his sheer ruthlessness under pressure. He is probably the best nicker of legs in history aswell
Sack the sound manager.
For the enjoyment of watching, the two I'd pick are Eric and Gary Anderson. It's a shame by the time the bigger money turned up Eric's game was gone but the arrogance and confidence was unparalleled. Gary in full flow was unbelievable, a pure entertainer
People forget Bristow, on these giant boards with the crowd and the needle he would create would be devestating. Even Phil knows Bristow wouldve had him beat in the lockerroom. Not to mention other legends like Lowe and Jocky, on these boards! CHrist, Bob Anderson would be a nightmare to play too
Phil Taylor himself said Wade is the best finisher he has ever seen. That says it all really. You can't ignore 11 TV titles.
To be fair Phil has also said the same of Simon Whitlock and Mike Gregory. It’s ever so strange
Outside of Taylor himself, Wade in his prime was the best I've seen with my own eyes on a double. He was deadly on the 10s
No Dennis Priestley in the top10 is completely wrong. I also agree with those that mentioned John Part. At his peak he was a great player. To not even be considered is a major oversight
Part and Priestley are both better than VAN and Gerwin Price
Phil Taylor battered MVG in his last season 2017, in the Matchplay Quarter Finals, it wasn't even close. So if MVG was in his prime in 2017, Taylor at 56 smashed him. He won the Matchplay that year and got to the World Final in his final season. So Taylor was beating MVG in his prime, when Taylor was on the way out.
You said 2017 and he said 2018, but Van Gerwen was in his real prime in 2016. He won every major and he destroyed taylor in the premier leaque. He broke taylors record and won every price that year and even the world championship 2017 with the highest average in a single game and closed the wc with a bullseye. That van gerwen vs taylor 2009 would have been bery interesting. Taylor played against a lot of bakers too in his time.
@@issi529 Taylor last season was 2017, Taylor beat Van Gerwan in the World Matchplay and went on to win it. Then Taylor got to the World Final and was beaten by cross, Van Gerwan didn't win it in 2017. Taylor also beat Van Gerwan in the 2013 World Final, not in 2009 lol. You obviously don't watch darts because you have no idea what you are talking about, you have got nothing correct. Taylor vs Van Gerwan their last 10 matches head to head, Taylor won 6, drew 1 and lost only 3. That was Taylor near the end of his career and Van Gerwan in his prime. Nobody on this planet, would say Van Gerwan was the goat over Taylor.
@tonydew440 I don't say he is the goat i just said that it would be very difficult to say who would in a prile match. You are just a taylor fanboy cause like i said van gerwen was in his prime in 2016 wen he wom every tournament! No one beated him. He won every price. That was prime van gerwen. I meant 2016 van gerwen vs taylor from 2009 cause that was his prime, learn to read next time!
@@issi529 You didn't answer Tony's comments on your inaccuracy. I think the head to head figures show who was the better player. And you resorted to insults to bolster your case.
@@davidtuer5825 Head to head? Van gerwen has won 11 times and Taylor has won 9 times. So i don't know what your talking about. Btw we were talking about prime vs prime so his comment didn't made any sense. Van gerwen was in his prime when he won every major in 2016 and broke Taylor's record. He also broke Taylor's wc record too. Van gerwen destroyed everyone even in a more competitive era than Taylor did.
spot on with this list agree 100 percent thank you
MVG peak in 2016/17 was against Taylor (16 worlds),Anderson (back to back worlds) Lewis (back to back worlds). Phil Taylor in 2009 faced James Wade (0 worlds), Lewis (0 Majors), RVB (1 real worlds). Take nothing from Phil Taylor but it does matter the standard you’re up against and MVG faced considerably tougher competition in general.
Don’t know how Warriner is on this list. Durrant,Adams,Lloyd,Part and even more modern players like Smith and Aspinall are better imo. A very random inclusion especially with only 1 major. Don’t know what splits Alan and Colin Lloyd, both number 1 as Taylor didn’t play in much. Lloyd has 2 majors though. Great video guys
he was a beast, look at his performances in the matchplay 1997 and 2000
John Part was my favorite, he doesn't get the recognition he deserves.. Also rated Martin Adams.
Great discussion
Nicholson obsessed with averages surely it's about winning regardless of what era you're in you can only beat what in front of you at the time, Bristow 6 🤢🤢🤢 sickening, absolute madness
Warriner in there ahead of Lowe I'm not sure about that one.
#1 TAYLOR
#2 BRISTOW
#3 BARNY
#4 MVG
#5 ANDERSON
#6 PART
#7 LEWIS
#8 WILSON
#9 WRIGHT
$10 PRIESTLEY
MY TOP TEN SOME IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
Where is John Lowe.
I agree that wright has not had the peak longevity, but his peak was almost unplayable
If you think prime Bristow and Barney are even in the same conversation as Prime MVG you have absolutely no knowledge on darts whatsoever
@@dylanmulroe9978couldn’t agree more, and moreover if it’s truly on peak performance the only conversation is whether 2009/10 Taylor could beat 2016/16 MVG. People’s list seem to alternate between peak and longevity I think that’s why some of these lists are as wonky as they are 😂
What a strange list. Little is in it: no Priestley or part. Or does a world championship not count as a major?
Yes, but we were focusing on players who produced a high level of performance on a regular basis to cope with the highest talent in all eras. There's no doubt John Part is a legend for what he won - but how would he cope in this 'perfect era' when all legends were operating at the top of their game. Paul didn't think his A game was strong enough to get in this top 10 but we all have our own opinions.
@@SportingLifeVideo so little, who has one big pike in his career would be a greater danger then John part? If that was the case why didn’t he win as much majors as Part? Why didn’t he never beat Taylor in a big final? Same goes for Priestley: he was the first to trow a 100+ average in a final. And has won more majors then little.
It’s simply put very strange to put little above part and priestly. I would rather win 3 world titles, in the prime Taylor era, with a 97 average then be like little and have one good tournament. Being a matchplay players means something also.
@@user-rf8mc8rg9v Do you know what PEAK means?
@@SportingLifeVideoremind us of how many world title finals priestly was in? PDC world finals may I add. Also who won PDC/WDF first world? I’d say era bias this list
1. taylor 2. mvg 3. gary 4. wright 5. eric 6. barney 7. lewis 8. humphries 9. bob 10. price
Bang on
I would agree if this was the all time greats list, but not a best at their peak list.
This list is almost spot on apart from Anderson is definitely third over Wright. I agree with the points on Wright his astronomical averages get overlooked all too often. I think what separates Anderson is this: Mvgs “peak” when he was pretty much unbeatable was probably 2015-2017 you could probably extend that a few years as well. However, during that three year period Anderson won two out of the three world titles and reached the final of the other. Anderson was literally the only guy on the planet who could put it up to Mvg in big tv Majors and if it wasn’t for Anderson Mvg would have alot more world titles and premier leagues.
anderson is the only player in history to have 2 averages over 130
@@jonahehlers1673 correct and I’ve also heard he has averaged 136+ in exhibitions. Although kyle andersons world record of 134 and Gary andersons multiple 130+ averages are before the days of darts connect and live streaming. Peter wrights average of 123.5 in 2016 i think it was, was live streamed and obviously mvgs premier league average of 123.4 was televised on sky so the PDC only recognise these televised averages on their official lists.
@@boom4301 2011 anderson was a scary player, sadly it was before the dartconnect era so we don’t have that much data
@@jonahehlers1673 Anderson has said in interviews he was better then than he was in his 2015/2016 title rain. The problem was he couldn’t hit doubles when it mattered. As he got older with more experience he finally managed to start hitting them and the result was a back to back world champ. He did win the premier league and reached a world final in 2011 even with inconsistent doubling
Garys sadistic domination of nonce klaasen in the 2016 world semi & the 2017 world final loss to prime shrek were probably higher peaks than wright reached.
The wright that destroyed everything in his path at the 2021 matchplay would go toe-to-toe with 2016 shrek & gary though
Luke Littler beats them all 👊🏴
1) Phil Taylor
2) Van gerwen
3) Bristow
4) John Lowe
5) Gary Anderson
6) Van Barneveld
7) Adrian Lewis
8) Dennis Priestley
9) John Part
10) Peter Wright
Hard to leave Jocky Wilson off the list
Luke Littler will be on this list soon
Taylor is so far infront of 2nd its crazy
No he isn't.
Which version of Phil Taylor are putting up against MVG?
Phil Taylors peak year his average was just under 105.
Van gerwens peak year of 2016 his average was 102.7
it’s pointless to compare the highest averages of players before the dartconnect era, because they do not appear on mastercaller. Lewis hit a 120 average in the gdc in 2009 but it does not appear on mastercaller.
Luke littler ask the questions in 10 years time after hus finish at Manchester United ❤
For what it's worth I'd reverse Anderson and Wright, and if you're agreeing that Bristow would be far better if he played as much as today's players, then you'd have to do the same for the great John Lowe, he had the best throw of any darts player I've ever seen. I wouldn't have Alan Warriner in the top 10, and as someone else has said, John Part can't be too far outside the top ten either.
Are they moving Part out of Sky?
Sort of slimy rationale for not getting at least a mention.
This wasn't a list of who has won the most - but ranking them if they were all playing at their performance peak. It'll all very subjective but John Part didn't make the 10 because his A game is arguably not as strong as what other players managed to attain. That's not to say he wouldn't have won matches or titles in this 'perfect' era when everyone is at their peak, but the cases for others were stronger.
Decent enough list. Observations, you cant have Gerwyn Price above Adrian Lewis. John Part is a big omission and takes the number 10 spot from Alan Warriner. If Rob Cross and Luke Humphries are knocking on the Top 10, then you have to throw Bullyboy into that mix.
Phil Taylor (prime) would annihilate mvg best of 11 sets 6-2 easy
Ppl forget how good taylors average was in his prime if you put himin todsys player pool rven though farts is more competative tsylor would stillwinmost of the tournements his average would still consistantly be wellover humpries or littlers or mvgs still
@@imemine8605 dont think so.. i mean mvg from his prime years right. mvg was just as otherworldly as taylor in those years
Taylor
MVG
RVB
Eric Bristow
Gary Anderson
Peter Wright
Adrian Lewis
James Wade
John Part
Gerwyn Price
John Lowe
Cool Hand is comfortably better than a number of people who were listed here
It's too early to call that, let's see in a couple of years...
@@mrgrimm53it’s about peak level so in this conversation longevity is irrelevant
Mvg won 158 titles, thats a big big really big gap to number 3 on that list, garry won 56 titles!!
Its not even close.
Its 1 phill, 2 mvg, and 3 you can debate on and on and on.
There are now far more game's played than back in the 80's, 90's.
Compere thoseplayers is not done.
My personal list would be
1phill
2mvg
3 bristow
4 low
5 garry (number 3 on the list moost titles 56)
Alan in the top 10 lmao, Adrian in the top 10 lmao, and Peter in the top 3, dillusional
The decision for Paul to put Alan Warriner in the top 10 won't be backed by many but he was world number one for over 50 months of his career (only Taylor and MVG have enjoyed longer streaks) and he still has the World Grand Prix record average that nobody has got close to. Paul's argument is that at his peak - on modern boards and with better equipment - he'd have made the top 10. Not everyone will agree for sure, but that was his rationale.
I think you are right about Peter Wright, I've got him at number 4. At his best he is a brilliant player, don't judge him on his recent form.
I totally agree with you Mathew, Paul Nicholson talks out of his backside.
@@BertSmithLondonwill see what littler is like at 53 🤣
Imagine how many titles he'd have won by then @@darrenleejones3516
Littler has made me care about something I didn’t know existed, professional darts.
Part, Humphries, Smith and even Aspinall and Clayton are miles better than what Alan Warriner was.
It's hard to compare different eras. Every single premier league player today is better than Pele.
@@m.f.1646 Please tell me you are trolling here.
@@StewartyMac Well players are stronger, faster, better athletes in every possible way compared to Pele. 11 Harry Maguires would beat 11 Peles 50-0, the level of the game is so much better these days.
@@m.f.1646 LOL, I knew you were trolling. Fair play lad.
@@StewartyMac Ur delusional if you think any 60's player would make it these days. Pele was ahead of his time obv and earned his place in top 2 after Messi, but game has changed alot.
Not even a close debate really is it Taylor beat them all at different stages of his career and peaks of his power….he made a world championship final for his final match past his absolute peak
He also won titles against people averaging 80 odd, wouldn’t win man worlds in todays game, prime MVG absolute streets ahewd
@@StevenMcGann-ls9xc dream land
WHAT YEAR IS THIS? 1965, THE BEATLES, FLOWER CHILD!!!
John Lowe…
Phil Taylor easy wins 1st place
Can someone tell me why John lowe isn't in the top 10?
Priestly and Part should definitely be on this list, and no way is Peter Wright third. Jocky Wilson?
The dart players of the past like Eric Bristow, Jockey Wilson and big Cliff.
They would be swinging punches at the crowd, the crowds today show Zero respect to the players.
The crowds in the 80s still rowdy but showed more respect 😊
Peter Wright ahead of Gary Anderson is criminal. 😅
It really confuses me how alan warriner little is in the list ?
I get that you need to throw in some e of the older guys but the idea that Warriner-Little is higher than Smith or Humphries is ridiculous - if they were all at their peak, AWH little would be 3/1 or bigger with the bookies to beat MS or LH
Peter Wright above Anderson? Is this a comedy sketch
Or Lewis
Interesting what alan evans would be with todays equipment, him and eric ,john ,jockey ect could only beat their current competitors its all relative
The list doesn’t follow its objective. It is supposed to be about people at their peak, and yet there is constant mention of longevity. So really, MVG should probably be number 1, Anderson 2 and Luke Humphries 3.
What? 😂 Did you miss Taylor’s career? Particularly the 08-13 period?
@@mccann82 does Taylor Swift play darts too? Extraordinary talent.
@@Roguetrainer Better joke than that list you put up tbf
@@mccann82 look, of course Phil Taylor should be number one on the list. He is and I’m certain will always be, the greatest darts player who has ever lived. He held the world record for highest average in a match five times, only losing the record to MVG in 2016. I was making a flippant comment about the futility of these lists. He will always be number one on any list about darting achievements.
To me he is probably the most dominant SPORTSMAN ever, with the possible exception of Don Bradman with his freakish test average.
Part higher than warriner little
Didnt wven mention john part
5 times Eric bristol none other on list gas as many only Taylor has
Wright should be in 6 or 7 at max
i wonder who will be number 1😅😅😅
It's not a debate. Taylor is orders of magnitude better than even MVG.
Surprised to see James Wade above Luke Humphries and Luke Littler. Jockey Wilson and John Lowe were better too IMO 😊
Surely Dennis Priestley needs mentioning and should be above Alan Warriner
In ten years littler by a mile was a massive Taylor fan but littler is different he annihilates players when hes on it there not close if he wins it this year he wins it for the next 6
Hahaha
Clowns list, no Dennis Priestley or John Lowe.
Hardly a clowns list
Warriner and Lewis above John Lowe?? No Jockey, Priestly or Part? They last 2 were 2 of very few who could qive early Taylor a close game and sometimes beat him
Dart pundits always seem to be the best to comment on their. Miles ahead of any other sport commentators.
Yikes. You keep replying to comment saying "The list is if they were at their peaks". Gary Anderson at his peak was far better than Wright, as was Lewis.
You cant genuinely believe Bristow at any stage of his career can compete with someone like Humphries who regularly averages 110+ or peak Lewis who did similar?
Not sure Lewis was as good as wright
When does humphries regularly average 110 ?
@@TimComley That question doesn't even make sense. As I said... regularly.
Paul Nicholson did explain why he thought Wright at his peak would edge Anderson. And the rationale for Eric Bristow was that his peak in today's world where the boards are more favourable, would see him be a real force to be reckoned with. For what it's worth, Chris Hammer wanted Luke Humphries in the top 10 but Paul had the final say.
@SportingLifeVideo Paul has had an absolute mare here then.
Some people just can't get their head around the fact that sports move on with time. Nicholson is clearly one of those people. Players of today ARE better than the players of decades ago, as they SHOULD be. If this wasn't the case, the game wouldn't be advancing.
Enjoyable podcast, but too many adds!
No John Lowe 😮
No John Part 🧐 utter nonsense.
Taylor
MVG
Barney
Anderson
Bristow
Part
Wade
Priestley
Lowe
Lewis
This wasn't a list of who has won the most - but ranking them if they were all playing at their performance peak. It'll all very subjective but John Part didn't make the 10 because his A game is arguably not as strong as what other players managed to attain. That's not to say he wouldn't have won matches or titles in this 'perfect' era when everyone is at their peak, but the cases for others were stronger.
The original list was bad. This one is somehow even worse.
@@eoinj16 every player on my list except Wade is a multiple world champion….your judged on what you win not your average
@LIAMGUNNER89 It's literally a list of the best players AT THEIR PEAK 😂
You're just ignoring the criteria, as well as the response from the actual channel, and sticking with your god awful list that makes 0 sense.
I think Paul being a homer for his fellow broadcaster is a bit too obvious here. No way Alan beats a prime Rob Cross. What were the other names just outside of the top 10?
Peter wright & Gary Anderson above Raymond van Barneveld are you mad no way
No debate to be had, Taylor streets ahead , no question
Bristow was good but so was Lowe and remember Lowe was the first player to do a 9 darts leg on tv.
What no Luke humpries ? But you can’t argue with number one it had to be Phil Taylor
All at their best Adrian Lewis is a lot higher up the list people forget how good he was!
Whatever way you look around this there is no way Alan Warriner can be in the list above John Part. Infact it's a total disrespect that Warriner is in over Part and John Lowe. Even Colin Lloyd deserves to be in over Warriner.
I know Humphries is recent but that man is insane, when he’s on his game, nobody can touch him in the world of darts at the minute
Peter Wright knocked him out in the quarter finals 🤣🤣🤣
Wade should be higher than 9th ive seen him at his peak but unfortunately Taylor was at his very best too 11 major's won not 10 in 2010 premier league final he only just lost to a peak Taylor 10.8 you hit two 9 darters in the same match
How has Adi lewis not top 6 is beyond me. Triple world champion and him and taylor mutuple world cup winner! He would have murdered Bristow in both their peaks. Adi was hitting bigger numbers and checkouts week in week out. Adi was a genius but had problems away from the ouche
Taylor and MVG absolutely miles clear
Swap Wright & Bristow around and replace Warriner-Little with Humphries.
Can’t believe what’s happened to Adrian Lewis
Difficult list really as you basically have Phil Taylor miles out on his own and then the rest. For all the hype around MVG, he has only won 3 World titles. I think in time, both Humphries and Littler will easily overtake him and put him down to 4th.
Mvg has 158 titles! There is onley one player near him and thats the best player ever PHILL.
The number 3 on that list, is garry not even close with 56 titles.....
Mvg won more titles than taylor, but taylor did it with less games in a year. Sow phill is number 1, mvg number 2, and there is a big big big gap to number 3, garry......
Bizarre to include Wade. Never reached a world final or even had a match average of 100 at the worlds.
On his number of tv majors he is a fringe top 10 all time contender but for a discussion about peak level he should not even be in the top 25.
Need to amend title to say nicholsons top 10 dart players of all time.
Only Taylor and MVG would have any chance against peak Bristow. Most of the others would be beaten before Eric took his first swig.
Top vidio
That lady looks like a cartoon star from Scooby Doo
I'm sorry but Priestley, Lowe and Smith all have a better case for this list than AWL and possibly Wade.
Alan Warriner and James Wade above John Lowe and Dennis Priestley? Don't be daft.
Alan Warriner shouldn’t be on the list , only 1 major… John part..? Dennis Priestley?.. John Lowe..?
Thank god guts voted Taylor the master Michael not even close
Just watch Luke The Nuke to rip them all apart
This absolute nonsense. They bang on about averages, (which is obviously important) but the fact is the trebles and doubles are thirty percent bigger than they were in the 80's, 70's etc. Not having John Lowe in the top 10 is a joke and Peter Wright 3 is hilarious.. I have seen Wright cry playing Taylor, he would have been crying before the game against Eric. John Lowe would and DID thrash Warriner, honestly this list is comical!
should be
1. Taylor
2. MVG
3. Bristow
4. Gary A
5. RVB
6. Lowe
7. Wright
8. Lewis
9. Dennis Priestley
10. Part.
Can someone not have painted that back wall?