I meant to thank Trajectory Arms and the Allen Engineering crew for helping with the barrel work, I will go into greater detail later, but the previous owner unfortunately really messed up the barrel for us here and if it weren't for AE and TA, I wouldn't have gotten the muzzle end fixed.
Having owned both over the years, I marginally prefer the Sako for the smooth bolt and lighter weight. However I did not own both of mine at the same time, so I think we absolutely need to have a comparison. However in the name of scientific scrutiny, they have to be the same caliber. Henry will just have to make the sacrifice to pic up another AW in 300 win mag, or a TRG in 308. Its for science...
The point at the end about diminishing returns on optics is so true. There is nothing wrong with building a clone or going with a really high end optic because you have extra cash to blow but if you are looking for cost effective you don't have to spend that much at all. I see too many new hunters think they need to spend huge sums of money to shoot a white tail deer at 200 yards because their favorite UA-cam recommended the optic. What you can get these days for $300-1000 can be incredible value for price. Also yes, we need a VS video between the green meanies.
It's way cooler to stay out of debt, take care of your family and enjoy a cheaper rifle than the opposite. ... also you guys twisted my arm on the green meanies. oh no. I guess we'll have to.
Strapping the Hubble space telescope to your rifle for hunting is dumb as rocks. Doing it because you're a seasoned target shooter who has identified your optics as being your current limiter is another thing entirely. But there are a lot of the former who think they are the latter.
Hervorragende Waffe, hervorragende Munition und nicht zuletzt ein hervorragender Schütze. Eine willkommene Abwechslung zu den ganzen Schönwettersoldaten. Vielen Dank!
The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force Special Operations Command also uses the Sako TRG.I don't know if it was an M22 or an M10, but the photo was taken during joint training with the US Special Forces.Many Japanese hunters also use Sako hunting rifles.
@@Royalmerc Civilian firearm ownership isn't outright illegal, but is extremely restricted. Weapons in general, which includes both swords and guns, are heavily regulated. For example, the only swords which are legal to own in Japan are those made traditionally, and that is because traditionally-made swords are also considered a work of art. For guns specifically, the main legal uses of firearms are in hunting and target shooting. Manually operated rifles and shotguns are allowed, but pistols and machine-made swords are banned.
@@Royalmerc Japan's gun licensing system is quite strict. It requires classroom training, a doctor's certificate, and a police investigation of relatives within three heads of each other.It is even more difficult to own a large-caliber rifle, and you must have been hunting with a shotgun for at least 10 years. As an exception, you can own a large-caliber free rifle for the Olympics even before 10 years, but you must be recommended by the Japan Rifle Association. In addition to a renewal test every three years, your gun will also be inspected by the police once a year to make sure it hasn't been illegally modified.By the way, even if it is a sword, you need a license to possess it and you need to register it with the police. However, for blades used in daily life such as machetes and kitchen knives, you do not need a license from the police.
Great shooting! Awesome video. I have the TRG22 love the Finnish rifles. Sako 85 L 300wm,Tikka T3 Tactical 300wm, CRT Tikka T3x .308 all exceptional rifles!
My rifles set for 500m point blank, she’s touched out to 2mi before. Freakin love the TRG, only downside is very limited or lacking of aftermarket parts/bolt ons unlike the AI rifles that seem to have nothing but after market.
I've had 5 TRGs (2 X .338LM, 1 X 6.5CM, 1 X .260, 1 X .308) and 3 AIs (AXSA, AXSR, AX50 ELR). I still have the AIs, but I strongly prefer the TRGs. If Sako a) had AI's barrel change technology worked into their rifle (not the M10, but one where any smith can chamber/thread your barrel), and b) made replacement parts 1/2 reasonably-priced, I wouldn't have kept the AIs.
Different trg models are widely used as military/police sniper rifles around globe. Maybe not huge in numbers but pretty much anyone who knows anything about guns have least heard of Sako and tgr.
Really impressive shooting despite the inclement weather. I've always heard good things about Sako rifles, but only ever played with a Tikka, which was really nice. Also, a green meanie shoot off is almost expected now since you have both.
Since 1000yds is considered mid-range for these rifles I'd love to see maybe a one off video where you stretch these out to what would be considered long range. That is, if you have a range where you can do that. Edit: That could be the versus video of the green meanies. That way both rifles can truly show off their long range performance.
When I saw this at First the Mirage Band made me think this was a SV-98 and Not a Sako. Great Rifle though Amazing Run! Seeing this does make me Hope Ya'll do a SV-98 Someday since Henry would be a Damn Good Shot on It.
I've had a TRG42 for 15+ years. Factory chambered in 300 win mag that I shot nearly 5000 rounds thru before it started to open up Took a chance a few years back and rebarreled it in 300prc with a bartlein progressive twist barrel mapped to a factory contour., because i wanted to modernize but was in love with the TRG action. Its unbelievably awesome. Pretty much no Brainer wind calls out to 1200. Shoots tighter than my impact precison 6.5CR.
Hi Henry, please do a comparison video between the two Green Meanies. Also, as a Dane I feel obligated to point out that you once _again_ mention our neighbours, but never us. We use the TRG-42 as well ("Finskyttegevær M/04" in Danish service) - but we are at this point used to not being subjects of your affection. We know we are not Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Swiss or Austrians, all of whom you love. *Whimper* Please notice us.
Yes, it would be nice to see a comparison between the AW and Sako. There are multiple ways, most popular calibre from both vendors or models. Same calibre. Same optics. "Default" optics on both, etc.
I'm not of Finnish, but Dane, Sweden, Welch decent, but I love what my brothers in the old world contribute to small arms. When you introduced the debrief, I was able to ogle what I believe by the beautiful wood is a Finnish Nagant rifle. Beware Russians if you cross NATO lines!
Good glass matters. 56mm is probably more of the improvement for light gathering. 30mm tubes are starting to grow on me as well. Generally match price tier scope 1:1 with rifle. Too bad they're almost all variable power these days. Just like on my hasselblad, prime lens' can't be beat.
The TRG-42 has made my PP all tingly for at least 25 years, and I have lived in California my whole life if you can imagine what that is like. A friend of mine has an AI in 308 that I have shot and I wasn't all that impressed with it so the comparison video would be cool. For the scope question, unless someone is using a scope in those extreme situations, it is hard to justify the price difference a German optic over a Chinese made optic with Japanese glass as long as there is good enough quality control.
We used exclusively S&B scopes in the FDF for the exact reason that the weather is ... well, Finnish weather. From downpours to blizzards, we need to get the round to the target with lethal results. That's all.
Yeeesssss!!!!!! (Jääkärimarssi intensifies on the background) Also Ukko the thunder god was obviously pleased with You and send his weather to make the accomplishment even more worthy :)
Back in the mid 2000's, I shot the TRG22 and AIAW in 308 side by side and found the accuracy very comparable. Sako just as accurate as the AI and vise versa. I found the ergonomics of the TRG much better than the AI, and the bipod is absolutely phenomenal compared to the AI. I liked that the TRG mag was flush with the stock whereas it sticks out on the AI. For shooting standing you can place your support hand right close to the trigger guard for an excellent stance. Sako did a great job with the TRG series, and it is as good today as 20 years ago. The TRG design has proven to be timeless.
For reasons entirely too nerdy and idiosyncratic to get into, I've been waiting a long time for this (and for Ian to do a video on the B&T MP9). It's been a good week. Edited to add a "yea" vote for the TRG-42 vs. AWM.
Malaysia has both TRG22 and AIAW systems, out of the two I was first issued the TRG, loved it and extremely nice! Then I got issued the AIAW systems to see how compatible they were, they would be eventually integrated along side the SAKO, but I stick with the TRG cause I like it a lot more. And I was less than a year from my discharge so didn’t made sense to swap systems for me
I have shot both and own a trg 22 and the sako wins hands down. The ai is nice but it’s a boat another weight wise and the trg outshoots it with a better weight and balance. Not to mention smoother bolt and mags that don’t clank and rattle. And price wins easy
Sako TRG42 barrels are cold hammer forged... perhaps a tiny bit less accurate but more durable than conventional cut rifling. Accuracy International uses match grade barrel made by cut rifling.
A while ago 9-Hole did a clinical showcase of weapon lights, a masterclass of comparison. Please do another with optics: What capabilities in dusk/dawn does an extra $200, $500, $1000, etc. really get?
Instead of a duel between the green meanies, I'd like to see a matchup between either green meanie and a purpose built competition rifle such as the MPA PMR, or anyone of the custom American actions(Zermatt, ARC, Teminus) sitting in a premium chassis(MPA, MDT, KRG), with a straight contour barrel. Chambering could be any of the popular competition cartridges. I think it would be very interesting to compare military snipe rifles against modern competition rifles.
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I meant to thank Trajectory Arms and the Allen Engineering crew for helping with the barrel work, I will go into greater detail later, but the previous owner unfortunately really messed up the barrel for us here and if it weren't for AE and TA, I wouldn't have gotten the muzzle end fixed.
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Awesome guys, they’re right down the road from me and couldn’t be any nicer. Extremely high quality work!
Having owned both over the years, I marginally prefer the Sako for the smooth bolt and lighter weight. However I did not own both of mine at the same time, so I think we absolutely need to have a comparison. However in the name of scientific scrutiny, they have to be the same caliber. Henry will just have to make the sacrifice to pic up another AW in 300 win mag, or a TRG in 308. Its for science...
he shows and mentions the 22, that is in ether 6.5 or .308
Scoped hunting rifle based on a M39 in 7.62 X 54R
@@panzerabwerkanone that is the TKIV 85.. not even remotely similar.. and i dont think they have been surplused, or will be surplused for a while
My axmc is way smoother and smoother feeding than every TRG I have tried
Sako brings the nordic weather with it.
Hey Henry, Thanks again for this coo in-depth review, and you guys pulled out some good shooting!
The point at the end about diminishing returns on optics is so true. There is nothing wrong with building a clone or going with a really high end optic because you have extra cash to blow but if you are looking for cost effective you don't have to spend that much at all. I see too many new hunters think they need to spend huge sums of money to shoot a white tail deer at 200 yards because their favorite UA-cam recommended the optic. What you can get these days for $300-1000 can be incredible value for price.
Also yes, we need a VS video between the green meanies.
It's way cooler to stay out of debt, take care of your family and enjoy a cheaper rifle than the opposite.
... also you guys twisted my arm on the green meanies. oh no. I guess we'll have to.
Durability should be the first concern, I see too many hunters by expensive glass that can’t take a fall.
Strapping the Hubble space telescope to your rifle for hunting is dumb as rocks. Doing it because you're a seasoned target shooter who has identified your optics as being your current limiter is another thing entirely. But there are a lot of the former who think they are the latter.
Sako and Tikka actions are soooooo smooth, definitely my favorite boltguns. Excellent run! That ammo is gnarly too, props to Finnish perkele magic.
Hervorragende Waffe, hervorragende Munition und nicht zuletzt ein hervorragender Schütze. Eine willkommene Abwechslung zu den ganzen Schönwettersoldaten. Vielen Dank!
Yes Greenie vs Greenie, loved this one especially the OPTIC discussion.
The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force Special Operations Command also uses the Sako TRG.I don't know if it was an M22 or an M10, but the photo was taken during joint training with the US Special Forces.Many Japanese hunters also use Sako hunting rifles.
Pardon my ignorance, but how can there be japanese hunters? I thought all firearms were illegal for civilian use.
@@Royalmerc Civilian firearm ownership isn't outright illegal, but is extremely restricted. Weapons in general, which includes both swords and guns, are heavily regulated. For example, the only swords which are legal to own in Japan are those made traditionally, and that is because traditionally-made swords are also considered a work of art.
For guns specifically, the main legal uses of firearms are in hunting and target shooting. Manually operated rifles and shotguns are allowed, but pistols and machine-made swords are banned.
@@classifiedad1Interesting. Thanks for the info
@@Royalmerc
Japan's gun licensing system is quite strict. It requires classroom training, a doctor's certificate, and a police investigation of relatives within three heads of each other.It is even more difficult to own a large-caliber rifle, and you must have been hunting with a shotgun for at least 10 years. As an exception, you can own a large-caliber free rifle for the Olympics even before 10 years, but you must be recommended by the Japan Rifle Association.
In addition to a renewal test every three years, your gun will also be inspected by the police once a year to make sure it hasn't been illegally modified.By the way, even if it is a sword, you need a license to possess it and you need to register it with the police. However, for blades used in daily life such as machetes and kitchen knives, you do not need a license from the police.
From Simo Haya to Sako to the Mosin, the north sure has a knack for snipers and their rifles
I served with TRG-21 and -41 in the FDF Sissi Troops, and there is no better "soul" for a rifle than a Finnish barrel. Par none.
A small nod to the Predecessor TRG-21 would have been appropriate. TRG-22 & 42 did not
just fall out of the sky. They had OG derivatives.
Great shooting!
Awesome video. I have the TRG22 love the Finnish rifles. Sako 85 L 300wm,Tikka T3 Tactical 300wm, CRT Tikka T3x .308 all exceptional rifles!
That looked like Child's play lol. Great shooting, and great rifle!
My rifles set for 500m point blank, she’s touched out to 2mi before. Freakin love the TRG, only downside is very limited or lacking of aftermarket parts/bolt ons unlike the AI rifles that seem to have nothing but after market.
I've had 5 TRGs (2 X .338LM, 1 X 6.5CM, 1 X .260, 1 X .308) and 3 AIs (AXSA, AXSR, AX50 ELR). I still have the AIs, but I strongly prefer the TRGs. If Sako a) had AI's barrel change technology worked into their rifle (not the M10, but one where any smith can chamber/thread your barrel), and b) made replacement parts 1/2 reasonably-priced, I wouldn't have kept the AIs.
FINALLY! I've been waiting for the TRG 42 for SOOO long.
Torille! Greetings from Finland!
Great to know that the Sako TRG is an excellent sniper platform.The TRG22 is in service with the Singapore Army as the main sniper rifle
Different trg models are widely used as military/police sniper rifles around globe.
Maybe not huge in numbers but pretty much anyone who knows anything about
guns have least heard of Sako and tgr.
Really impressive shooting despite the inclement weather. I've always heard good things about Sako rifles, but only ever played with a Tikka, which was really nice.
Also, a green meanie shoot off is almost expected now since you have both.
Since 1000yds is considered mid-range for these rifles I'd love to see maybe a one off video where you stretch these out to what would be considered long range. That is, if you have a range where you can do that.
Edit: That could be the versus video of the green meanies. That way both rifles can truly show off their long range performance.
Was thinking the same.
When I saw this at First the Mirage Band made me think this was a SV-98 and Not a Sako. Great Rifle though Amazing Run! Seeing this does make me Hope Ya'll do a SV-98 Someday since Henry would be a Damn Good Shot on It.
Yes. I want a versus/comparison video!
Really loving these long-format deep analysis videos. And 100% we need a comparison between the TRG-42 and Arctic Warfare.
I've had a TRG42 for 15+ years. Factory chambered in 300 win mag that I shot nearly 5000 rounds thru before it started to open up Took a chance a few years back and rebarreled it in 300prc with a bartlein progressive twist barrel mapped to a factory contour., because i wanted to modernize but was in love with the TRG action. Its unbelievably awesome. Pretty much no Brainer wind calls out to 1200. Shoots tighter than my impact precison 6.5CR.
Definitely do the comparison video! Keep up the great work!
Reshoot in the middle of winter with snow
Simo Hayha (RIP) vibes
Correct.
Bro they're in texas
@@ratagris21 It's "Simo", not "Simi."
@@HenrikSherwood Automobiles and Airplanes exist.
That action looks buttery smooth.
+1 for the vs. vid
Definitely want to see that “meanie-off” episode!
Because I'm a poor Finn, I only own a T3X UPR, but I have some trigger time behind TRG-42 and TRG-M10, both are just so damn easy to shoot well.
What a beautiful freaking rifle and to go with ammo like that, jesus!
Finally!
Been Requesting this one for a while.
The 338LM would have been even nice though :3
Hi Henry, please do a comparison video between the two Green Meanies.
Also, as a Dane I feel obligated to point out that you once _again_ mention our neighbours, but never us. We use the TRG-42 as well ("Finskyttegevær M/04" in Danish service) - but we are at this point used to not being subjects of your affection. We know we are not Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Swiss or Austrians, all of whom you love. *Whimper* Please notice us.
ahhh i should have sorry. I think I saw some danes with the TRG when i was in Grafenwöhr actually.
I don't know west Skåne had an army.😆
Great video ... I always learn something from you guys. A very good optics "reality check" was a very nice part of this video.
Can't wait to get into this episode. I've been entertaining the idea of getting into magnum bolt guns; it'll be great to hear your experience
You guys should really include a ‘know your limits” target set with all these rifles.
So what happens when you take those results of high speed, higher BC against body armor? That's what I'd love to know.
I would love to see that video as well.
Since armor penetration is mostly velocity dependent, I'd think they'd perform better
It's always cool to see the vapor trails from rifle rounds. 😎👍
Good shoot. I like that it has lots of room in the trigger guard for gloves, especially for winter!
Absolutely the VS video would be appreciated. Keep up the good work as i'm enjoying the content
Yes, it would be nice to see a comparison between the AW and Sako. There are multiple ways, most popular calibre from both vendors or models. Same calibre. Same optics. "Default" optics on both, etc.
I'm not of Finnish, but Dane, Sweden, Welch decent, but I love what my brothers in the old world contribute to small arms. When you introduced the debrief, I was able to ogle what I believe by the beautiful wood is a Finnish Nagant rifle. Beware Russians if you cross NATO lines!
Yes on Green vs Green!
Clean Run to a Grand! What a 💪 for the sako.
Good glass matters. 56mm is probably more of the improvement for light gathering. 30mm tubes are starting to grow on me as well. Generally match price tier scope 1:1 with rifle. Too bad they're almost all variable power these days. Just like on my hasselblad, prime lens' can't be beat.
The TRG-42 has made my PP all tingly for at least 25 years, and I have lived in California my whole life if you can imagine what that is like. A friend of mine has an AI in 308 that I have shot and I wasn't all that impressed with it so the comparison video would be cool.
For the scope question, unless someone is using a scope in those extreme situations, it is hard to justify the price difference a German optic over a Chinese made optic with Japanese glass as long as there is good enough quality control.
i was introduced to this rifle in stalker and the rain just adds to the vibe
Mind blown at just how fast those bullets cover the ground to the target 😮
Absolutely epic
Steve did a great job for his first appearance
We used exclusively S&B scopes in the FDF for the exact reason that the weather is ... well, Finnish weather. From downpours to blizzards, we need to get the round to the target with lethal results. That's all.
Also during the summer months, the twilight or dawn/dusk if you will can be hours long.
@@romaliop That is a good point I missed to mention. Thanks for adding it! Yes, the daylight cycle is a bit different up here depending on the season.
Definitely a cool rifle I will keep my eye on
the cartridge is lethal, and the sniper rifle itself is amazingly accurate.
Awesome bullet trace in the rain
Yeeesssss!!!!!! (Jääkärimarssi intensifies on the background) Also Ukko the thunder god was obviously pleased with You and send his weather to make the accomplishment even more worthy :)
Yes on the vs video!
Back in the mid 2000's, I shot the TRG22 and AIAW in 308 side by side and found the accuracy very comparable. Sako just as accurate as the AI and vise versa. I found the ergonomics of the TRG much better than the AI, and the bipod is absolutely phenomenal compared to the AI. I liked that the TRG mag was flush with the stock whereas it sticks out on the AI. For shooting standing you can place your support hand right close to the trigger guard for an excellent stance. Sako did a great job with the TRG series, and it is as good today as 20 years ago. The TRG design has proven to be timeless.
Ladies, gentlemen and my often forgotten but most certainly not by Henry…TRG-42’s. Welcome to the channel.
The Hulks of precision.
Of course he needs to do a comparison run!!
Yes you all need to do a versus video
300 Winchester magnum is no joke!!!
For reasons entirely too nerdy and idiosyncratic to get into, I've been waiting a long time for this (and for Ian to do a video on the B&T MP9). It's been a good week.
Edited to add a "yea" vote for the TRG-42 vs. AWM.
Malaysia has both TRG22 and AIAW systems, out of the two I was first issued the TRG, loved it and extremely nice! Then I got issued the AIAW systems to see how compatible they were, they would be eventually integrated along side the SAKO, but I stick with the TRG cause I like it a lot more. And I was less than a year from my discharge so didn’t made sense to swap systems for me
Nice! Minox scopes are so underrated!
Smacking those mid-range plates HARD...
The TRG-42 is my dream gun.
No misses to 1000yd 🤯🤯
I have shot both and own a trg 22 and the sako wins hands down. The ai is nice but it’s a boat another weight wise and the trg outshoots it with a better weight and balance. Not to mention smoother bolt and mags that don’t clank and rattle. And price wins easy
When are these two going to do a Brutality match with Forgotten weapons in Finland?
Sako TRG42 barrels are cold hammer forged... perhaps a tiny bit less accurate but more durable than conventional cut rifling.
Accuracy International uses match grade barrel made by cut rifling.
Good grief that round hits like a freight train.
Green Meanie showdowwnnn! Maybe toss in a USMC M-40A1 and a Sauer SSG for good measure.
For the full versus, adding in an SV98 would be neat
Thanks
You could say Sako TRG has its lineage in Valmet Sniper and Sako Target rifles after the fusion of Sako and Valmet in the 80's.
Note to self, dont come within 1000 yards of Henry if he has the TRG.
Seriously looking forward to this one
Would love to see a versus of this and AI
TRG-42 is my favorite sniper rifle in Counter Strike.
Yes, Henry should do a mean-greenies comparison.
A head to head challenge done in inclement conditions would really be fun to watch!
“Dude, I think your foot’s in the frame” 😂
Ofcourse we need a video of two hulks getting down dirty!
Between the shooter and the rifle I feel like everything out to 500 was a forgone conclusion and yall should just gone straight to 600 lol
Never underestimate a bit of foreplay.
Green vs green ❤
Yes, do a vs video of the green meanies.
You dont realize how far that is until you try, i was able to make 300 yards with 10/22
A while ago 9-Hole did a clinical showcase of weapon lights, a masterclass of comparison.
Please do another with optics: What capabilities in dusk/dawn does an extra $200, $500, $1000, etc. really get?
Yes, do a vs episode!!
Battle of the Green Meanies, hell yeah.
Shit yea, Dude Steve
I feel ya on that one Josh that federal 215gr was my favorite factor ammo. 😢
I'd love to see a versus between AW and TRG, see what they can do. Even if not definitive best, see what one excels over the other on
Hi Steve! Shame you didn't get to do much during the run because the Sako was lights out.
Instead of a duel between the green meanies, I'd like to see a matchup between either green meanie and a purpose built competition rifle such as the MPA PMR, or anyone of the custom American actions(Zermatt, ARC, Teminus) sitting in a premium chassis(MPA, MDT, KRG), with a straight contour barrel. Chambering could be any of the popular competition cartridges. I think it would be very interesting to compare military snipe rifles against modern competition rifles.
I have a number of Tikka’s but have not been able to make myself spend the money for the TRG 42. I really have to buy one
Green vs green!
A head to head pairing would be cool.
I am waiting for the TRG 62 to be available.
Definitely want the AI vs TRG video
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