I was a DEA Special Agent assigned to Los Angeles in 1988-1991. I was assigned the “Colt Pattern 9mm Sub-machine Gun” with a 10” barrel. I had a light saddle with a three C cell Maglite mounted on it. We carried them around in a racket ball case. They had an aluminum tab mounted between the pistol grip and lower receiver that blocked the safe/fire switch from being fully rotated into the full automatic fire position. The tab was designed to be snapped off in an emergency so the weapon could be placed in full automatic fire mode. We would remove the aluminum tabs at the range so we could qualify with them in full auto, and then replace them. I never saw any of the integrally suppressed models. Fun times.
When I was in the National Guard in the late 2000s, we had those little aluminum lockout tabs for our M16s and M4s, for use during state duty deployments. I guess they didn't want us lighting up looters with burst. 🤷♂️
Carried a 635 from 1996 to 2000 in SWAT. I remember when you accidently dropped those mags partially or fully loaded, all the rounds would spit out. We were using double clamp mags. They were fun to shoot.
I dreamed of having a Colt 9mm smg on swat until we bought some used MP5s from our County swat team. Nope, fell in love and never looked back. Built a 9mm AR a couple of years ago, still fun.
So i have one of these in 10.5 with a maximum defense roller delay buffer and it tames the recoil amazingly! Now after mounting a carry handle mounted trijicon mro, putting a Surefire light and running 1k rounds of Winchester 115gr military over run m1152 through it it's now my new bed side gun
FYI, the first run of H&R 9mm lowers where rollmarked, not laser. I also had to look at mine twice, because it is the cleanest rollmark I have ever seen, but if you compare next to a laser engraved lower it's obvious the letters are indented and there is some variation in depth. Mike has confirmed this online if you search through the forums.
Seems to be the season of the AR-9! I just finished pitting together my first last month. I went with a KE Arms KE-9 upper, but chose to mate it with a Maxim Defense roller delayed buffer system. Couldn’t be happier.
@@FirstLast-ff7qx You can't go wrong with a Stribog, nice guns. Henry's complaints about the original Colt 635's are very valid. We had issues with pins breaking, also sometimes the 3-shot burst was a two shot, or, even if you got all 3 off, it would string upwards due to the heavier recoil over the MP-5. I never used the giggle switch for serious work, I kept it on semi-auto. I was (and still am) accountable for where every round hits. Back with the Colt 635 I was issued, mine had a red dot over the carry handle. Nobody does that anymore but it was all we had back in the 1990's.
@@istvan5674 yea the one at my lgs just had a buffer tube but a single point sling hook up on the back so u could run it kinda like an mp5 with the push method
Carried a 16 inch carbine in the 90’s when I was a dog handler, back when we thought pistol caliber carbines were the way of the future in law enforcement Half the price of a MP 5.
JP makes the best of both worlds. A roller delayed AR. Giving you superior recoil control of MP5 and the superior trigger choices and ergonomics and modularity of the AR platform.
I got to shoot a suppressed 635 at a law enforcement demo, and we had three regular ones (we just referred to them as Colt SMGs) in our SWAT team. They shot great and the suppressed version was extremely quiet.😊
I've got a SBR'd Colt 6951. Neat little gun, a bit quirky, really quite accurate with Fed 147gr HST at 100 yards. While it's not bad it isn't difficult to see why it got absolutely smoked by the MP5 on the military/LE market. I stopped the handguard/cap rotation issue by putting the cut off stub of a gas tube through the handguard cap into the front sight base (the 6951 front sight still has a hole to accommodate a gas tube like a standard AR.) Might consider getting a suppressor for it to at least make it somewhat relevant.
In the LE world, lots of SRT units used the Colt, because we couldnt afford the MP5. I never felt undergunned, but I only fired it in practice and quals
When Josh says "notoriously bouncy", he ain't lying... Firing one of those puppies in full auto is like riding a jackhammer! Complete with cartoonishly chattering teeth 😬
I just finished my form 1 build of one and it’s awesome. When I got my form 1 back I got a KAK 9mm barrel for it and had a fsb put on it. The KAK barrel feeds better than the h&r barrel.
Just bought a 6951 this summer, I was actually pleasantly surprised. The mag block roll pins appear have some locktite applied to them, there was no reciever wobble. And I bought an H+R 635 upper. Super happy all around!
Have a genuine DOE upper with colt gray lower using a Maxim roller delay buffer system and it's awesome to shoot, shot it with a super safety before and it was surprisingly easy to keep on target in bursts even for someone inexperienced with uh, "high rate of fire" like me lol
Another great video, thanks for making it. I have a 1995 Colt Sporter Lightweight (R6430) in 9mm with a 10.5 in barrel (Switzerland does not have this SBR nonsense). I changed the A2 buttstock for a collapsible one, put an old Tasco ProPoint red dot on an ARMS M16 A1 A2 mount, and a B&T impulse II suppressor on it. It’s a looker, a hoot to shoot. And quite accurate at 50 meters.
0:00 - THANK YOU for having a disclosure slide as the very first thing in the video!!! Signed, a member of the (ethics licensed) engineering and medical community, also into firearms.
Would love to see you guys review the new Mean Arms Bearing Delayed 9mm upper receiver, and compare it to an MP5. People are saying this is the MP5 killer.
I wonder what the LE agency price difference was between the Colt and H&K? Besides the obvious familiarity advantage the Colt would have among former military, a big difference in cost could be why the 635 was so popular.
I remember being surprised at the recoil of the first (blowback) 9mm PCC that I shot. I expected virtually nothing when compared to something like a 7.62x39. Nope.
I’d love to see someone really put the best WW2 SMGs to the test. 38A, Suomi and ZK383(my grail gun). Ideally, the MP40, PPSh41, S1-100 and a few others would be tested for comparison. Something like what Ian and CNRsenal did with Project Lightening and LMGs. Project Sub-Lightening
I love H&R. They made my favorite machine gun. A marine Reising m50. I’ve also got an extra supressed barrrel made for it it, but I’m still too afraid to put it on out of concern for breaking a historical MG.
So I have a real colt 635 parts kit and I used the H&R clone lower for the build. There are things I like but also a lot of things I don't like, as I found it is a bit out of spec in terms of lowers.
I SBRed a standard lower with adapter to do a DOE clone. Main reason over the H&R lower… if I wanted to convert to 5.56, I could. Bolt that came with the upper was garbage, where it would barely run. Ordered the H&R 10.5” and use the bolt between the two; flawless. I like the 10.5” better than DOE. Just feels better.
I lived through that era. The Colt 32 round 9mm mags are a PITA to fully load due to the bolt hold open tab. Give me an MP5 in spite of the Teutonic ergos.
It seems that CZ is directing Colt into making Fudd guns instead of vibe guns. What they really should be doing is making both Fudd guns and vibe guns and CZ guns in the Colt facility, including Vz 61 and CZ 97B.
As a full auto SMG I suspect these would run a lot better if they used a Colt LMG lower and and an open bolt to take advantage of advanced primer ignotion.
My AR9 just went down hard at a training class on Sunday. I believe I had an out of battery discharge. The case split and the projectile and part of the cartridge case is stuck in the chamber. The primer end of the case exploed.
I made a pcc that’s a 4inch barrel with a law folder and insert that goes in the magwell. I’d love to see you guys shoot it vs what you have because I think it’s VERY flat.
Any chance Josh wants to give an overview of what goes into a reliable AR9 today? I've been PCC curious for a while, and unsure if I want to go the HK route or AR9 route. I have heard so many complaints about the AR9 platform that I'd like to hear from someone who competed with them on what makes them reliable.
Why didn't you get the 10.5 barrel upper instead of the 16. ( NFA) And are you going to add the kygunco buffer to it, or maybe what jp uses? I love the look of colt mags. Glock mags are janky. Also i think you might be able to use a cmmg radio delayed upper with one of their colt mag lowers and have a soft shooting bufferless gun. 6.5 barrel. frt trigger for fun.
I wonder if its possible to swap front sight gas blocks on the 635 and place a section of gas tube to lock in the Surefire handguards in place? Also I wonder if the 635's lower would interface with the CMMG radially delayed 9mm upper? 🧐🎩
Closing comment: The incompetence of the Feds at Waco would have negated any weapon they carried. The only reason they weren't wiped out to a man was that their victims were even less competent.
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I was a DEA Special Agent assigned to Los Angeles in 1988-1991. I was assigned the “Colt Pattern 9mm Sub-machine Gun” with a 10” barrel. I had a light saddle with a three C cell Maglite mounted on it. We carried them around in a racket ball case. They had an aluminum tab mounted between the pistol grip and lower receiver that blocked the safe/fire switch from being fully rotated into the full automatic fire position. The tab was designed to be snapped off in an emergency so the weapon could be placed in full automatic fire mode. We would remove the aluminum tabs at the range so we could qualify with them in full auto, and then replace them. I never saw any of the integrally suppressed models. Fun times.
When I was in the National Guard in the late 2000s, we had those little aluminum lockout tabs for our M16s and M4s, for use during state duty deployments. I guess they didn't want us lighting up looters with burst. 🤷♂️
Really? Lol 😂
@@rafecsabijon6668 okay, you got me, LA sucked.
The internally suppressed 9mm colt ARs made for the DEA and ATF in the late 80's early 90's is one of the coolest looking ars ever made.
Yeah, it's always cool that federal entrapment agencies dirt nap Americans with guns we can't own 🤡
I believe the DEA called their team the CLET, Clandestine Laboratory Eradication Team. And yes, best looking SMG ever.
@@joshreynolds72 At least they weren't called the CLIT
@@RonJeremy514 No one would be able to find them
@@ch4ndemic 🤣
Carried a 635 from 1996 to 2000 in SWAT. I remember when you accidently dropped those mags partially or fully loaded, all the rounds would spit out. We were using double clamp mags. They were fun to shoot.
They still do
I dunno how Josh can say the AR9 with the Colt mag lower looks lame while having that hideous Glock mag AR9 lower.
The difference is in the V I B E S
Or that you need picatinny for optics mounting… that’s what the carry handle is for. Yeesh
I dreamed of having a Colt 9mm smg on swat until we bought some used MP5s from our County swat team. Nope, fell in love and never looked back. Built a 9mm AR a couple of years ago, still fun.
I too once SBR'd a PCC without shooting it first and found out after the fact that it had some issues. Now I shoot all my guns before I SBR them.
Which one?
Hey, this is Mike, CEO of H&R.
All of our 6359mm lowers are roll marked, not laser.
Don't think Josh was ready for the Waco comment lol
Aren't they both from Waco?
So i have one of these in 10.5 with a maximum defense roller delay buffer and it tames the recoil amazingly! Now after mounting a carry handle mounted trijicon mro, putting a Surefire light and running 1k rounds of Winchester 115gr military over run m1152 through it it's now my new bed side gun
FYI, the first run of H&R 9mm lowers where rollmarked, not laser. I also had to look at mine twice, because it is the cleanest rollmark I have ever seen, but if you compare next to a laser engraved lower it's obvious the letters are indented and there is some variation in depth. Mike has confirmed this online if you search through the forums.
Seems to be the season of the AR-9! I just finished pitting together my first last month. I went with a KE Arms KE-9 upper, but chose to mate it with a Maxim Defense roller delayed buffer system. Couldn’t be happier.
The PSA, I'd run it. Thumbs up guys!
Due to my time as a federal officer with the Colt 635, I picked up a SAR 109T, the Turkish clone of my former 9mm little friend.
I was lookin at one of them for while. They were over a grand for a bit then i seen em around 700. Shoulda jumped on it. Happy with my stribog tho.
@@FirstLast-ff7qx You can't go wrong with a Stribog, nice guns. Henry's complaints about the original Colt 635's are very valid. We had issues with pins breaking, also sometimes the 3-shot burst was a two shot, or, even if you got all 3 off, it would string upwards due to the heavier recoil over the MP-5. I never used the giggle switch for serious work, I kept it on semi-auto. I was (and still am) accountable for where every round hits. Back with the Colt 635 I was issued, mine had a red dot over the carry handle. Nobody does that anymore but it was all we had back in the 1990's.
@@istvan5674 good info, hows the sar109 been treatin ya?
@@FirstLast-ff7qx It's a fun gun,. Mine is a pistol, the SMG version would be awesome to play with but that's a no-go until we can repeal the NFA.
@@istvan5674 yea the one at my lgs just had a buffer tube but a single point sling hook up on the back so u could run it kinda like an mp5 with the push method
Carried a 16 inch carbine in the 90’s when I was a dog handler, back when we thought pistol caliber carbines were the way of the future in law enforcement Half the price of a MP 5.
I’d love to see the DOE. Thanks for the video guys. More old school cool. ❤
It's funny seeing Josh constantly joking on Henry's choice of firearms
JP makes the best of both worlds. A roller delayed AR. Giving you superior recoil control of MP5 and the superior trigger choices and ergonomics and modularity of the AR platform.
The final line was insane😆
I got to shoot a suppressed 635 at a law enforcement demo, and we had three regular ones (we just referred to them as Colt SMGs) in our SWAT team. They shot great and the suppressed version was extremely quiet.😊
I've got a SBR'd Colt 6951. Neat little gun, a bit quirky, really quite accurate with Fed 147gr HST at 100 yards. While it's not bad it isn't difficult to see why it got absolutely smoked by the MP5 on the military/LE market. I stopped the handguard/cap rotation issue by putting the cut off stub of a gas tube through the handguard cap into the front sight base (the 6951 front sight still has a hole to accommodate a gas tube like a standard AR.) Might consider getting a suppressor for it to at least make it somewhat relevant.
In the LE world, lots of SRT units used the Colt, because we couldnt afford the MP5. I never felt undergunned, but I only fired it in practice and quals
For a sec i thought you were doing the 500 yard course with this thing.
Love that colt ar 9mm, really enjoyed. Thanks
When Josh says "notoriously bouncy", he ain't lying... Firing one of those puppies in full auto is like riding a jackhammer! Complete with cartoonishly chattering teeth 😬
Josh I'm on Henry's side I LOVE the classic, and if you need to put a red dot on it PRI makes a Dog Leg that attracts to the carry handle.
I just finished my form 1 build of one and it’s awesome. When I got my form 1 back I got a KAK 9mm barrel for it and had a fsb put on it. The KAK barrel feeds better than the h&r barrel.
Just bought a 6951 this summer, I was actually pleasantly surprised. The mag block roll pins appear have some locktite applied to them, there was no reciever wobble. And I bought an H+R 635 upper. Super happy all around!
Ends the video with fire. Classic
I seem to recall that same Colt smg in the hands of Mexican P.O’ s and security guards back in the late 90’s and early 00’s while living in D.F.
Have a genuine DOE upper with colt gray lower using a Maxim roller delay buffer system and it's awesome to shoot, shot it with a super safety before and it was surprisingly easy to keep on target in bursts even for someone inexperienced with uh, "high rate of fire" like me lol
Another great video, thanks for making it. I have a 1995 Colt Sporter Lightweight (R6430) in 9mm with a 10.5 in barrel (Switzerland does not have this SBR nonsense). I changed the A2 buttstock for a collapsible one, put an old Tasco ProPoint red dot on an ARMS M16 A1 A2 mount, and a B&T impulse II suppressor on it. It’s a looker, a hoot to shoot. And quite accurate at 50 meters.
0:00 - THANK YOU for having a disclosure slide as the very first thing in the video!!!
Signed, a member of the (ethics licensed) engineering and medical community, also into firearms.
8:19 It's true, it looks like a cursed gun and that ridiculously oversized flashlight, love it.
Would love to see you guys review the new Mean Arms Bearing Delayed 9mm upper receiver, and compare it to an MP5. People are saying this is the MP5 killer.
I personally love the way the straight SMG stick mags look in an AR. Especially with a short barrel.
I wonder what the LE agency price difference was between the Colt and H&K? Besides the obvious familiarity advantage the Colt would have among former military, a big difference in cost could be why the 635 was so popular.
Can't wait until they come out with the DOE upper
Alot of rounds thru the colt ar9s. Making me nostalgic.
I remember being surprised at the recoil of the first (blowback) 9mm PCC that I shot. I expected virtually nothing when compared to something like a 7.62x39. Nope.
It just looks cool, thats like 90% of shooting
That new MAC MP clone looks like a great option. Love the trilug and thread barrel combo.
Put a suppressor on it before you cut it, then two part handguard.
FBI in Collateral (2004) had literaly same setup Colt SMGs
Regaurding the H&R you can install a stubbed gas tube to keep that front cap from spinning.
I would love to see you discuss and shoot the possible best SMG from WWII, the Beretta Modello 38A
I’d love to see someone really put the best WW2 SMGs to the test. 38A, Suomi and ZK383(my grail gun). Ideally, the MP40, PPSh41, S1-100 and a few others would be tested for comparison.
Something like what Ian and CNRsenal did with Project Lightening and LMGs. Project Sub-Lightening
@@williamflowers9435 don't forget the Owen in that case.
@@TheSwedeMcCoy indeed! The Owen would definitely need to be included.
Just bought one as self birthday present! What timing. They teach mind reading at BOLC apparently.
01:40 - I think B&T just entered the chat....?
I love H&R. They made my favorite machine gun. A marine Reising m50. I’ve also got an extra supressed barrrel made for it it, but I’m still too afraid to put it on out of concern for breaking a historical MG.
You forgot the most famous organization to issue these, the security forces at the Black Mesa facility.
The mag well inserts are a PITA. Messed with a 9mm subgun style AR for a couple of years before I dumped the whole thing in favor of an MP5 clone.
I get the impression Henry really likes the brass golden shower.
its got the vibes ❤
thanks for sharing
So I have a real colt 635 parts kit and I used the H&R clone lower for the build. There are things I like but also a lot of things I don't like, as I found it is a bit out of spec in terms of lowers.
Henry needs to inform Josh that the 635 has a perfectly good optics mounting platform… the carry handle!
I would love to see you guys do the Ruger PC Carbine backpacker
I have a dedicated 9mm ar sbr...colt mag version...the maxim rdb, and LevAr charging handle are a game changer
I really like the CMMG raidial delay blowback. It feels a lot like the MP5 just with AR controls.
My aero precision EPC 9 mm 16 inch virus gun is my most favorite shooter I got
OMG thankyou so much for this video..
I SBRed a standard lower with adapter to do a DOE clone. Main reason over the H&R lower… if I wanted to convert to 5.56, I could. Bolt that came with the upper was garbage, where it would barely run. Ordered the H&R 10.5” and use the bolt between the two; flawless.
I like the 10.5” better than DOE. Just feels better.
I lived through that era. The Colt 32 round 9mm mags are a PITA to fully load due to the bolt hold open tab. Give me an MP5 in spite of the Teutonic ergos.
no mention of the b&t apc9 or spc9, both excellent 9mm pccs if youre looking at competition without needing to tune
It seems that CZ is directing Colt into making Fudd guns instead of vibe guns. What they really should be doing is making both Fudd guns and vibe guns and CZ guns in the Colt facility, including Vz 61 and CZ 97B.
The unfortunate part of the VZ61 is they’d have to make it without the stock and then offer it separately due to our asinine laws.
Springfield saint victor mags under thirty beans should work.
It would be interesting to hear your take on the JP-5 (MP-5 guts with AR ergonomics).
Yeah I think that's the best of both worlds. Wainting for a 10mm version of that and then I'm getting one.
No carry handle equals half power loss. truer words have never been uttered.
If PSA didn't own the H&R brand, I'd totally check these out. I'll never buy anything PSA made or owned ever again. My $.02...
It was about muscle memory they can move straight from their AR-15s to a 9mm that wouldn't puncture walls for special law enforcement teams
It looks better than the glock mags in the generic AR9s.
Henry's Waco comment at the end😂
308a springs are still a thing people play around with in PCC:s 🙂
As a full auto SMG I suspect these would run a lot better if they used a Colt LMG lower and and an open bolt to take advantage of advanced primer ignotion.
My AR9 just went down hard at a training class on Sunday. I believe I had an out of battery discharge. The case split and the projectile and part of the cartridge case is stuck in the chamber. The primer end of the case exploed.
I'd like to see a comparison of this and the current Colt 6951.
I made a pcc that’s a 4inch barrel with a law folder and insert that goes in the magwell. I’d love to see you guys shoot it vs what you have because I think it’s VERY flat.
Just looks wrong with that long barrel - glad you got it SBRd.
My ar9 has a 308 spring and tungsten weighted buffer
Any chance Josh wants to give an overview of what goes into a reliable AR9 today? I've been PCC curious for a while, and unsure if I want to go the HK route or AR9 route. I have heard so many complaints about the AR9 platform that I'd like to hear from someone who competed with them on what makes them reliable.
It’s Funny but PSA and H&R can get super nice, deep laser engravings and Colt looks like they skimmed over theirs
unexpected outtro topic lmao.
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I could swear the PSA has stamped roll marks
Now Henry now take the AR9 to distance
Check price on Henry's favorite walther p99, hk vp9, hk cc9, price drop.
Why didn't you get the 10.5 barrel upper instead of the 16. ( NFA) And are you going to add the kygunco buffer to it, or maybe what jp uses?
I love the look of colt mags. Glock mags are janky.
Also i think you might be able to use a cmmg radio delayed upper with one of their colt mag lowers and have a soft shooting bufferless gun. 6.5 barrel. frt trigger for fun.
It looks like you are trying to force the butt to touch your shoulder. Just cheek weld it and you’re good. Very cool gun
Fried rice for Henry!
Can you put a binary trigger in it and it work?
Probably but why would you
Yes
Are we ever going to get a range test of an STG 44?
yoooo its the roro
I wonder if its possible to swap front sight gas blocks on the 635 and place a section of gas tube to lock in the Surefire handguards in place?
Also I wonder if the 635's lower would interface with the CMMG radially delayed 9mm upper?
🧐🎩
😮😮😮😮😮I want one 👍👍👍👍👍
Yo that Waco comment is wild 🤣💀🫣
Closing comment: The incompetence of the Feds at Waco would have negated any weapon they carried. The only reason they weren't wiped out to a man was that their victims were even less competent.
Any recommendations on tools needed to drill out one of the apertures to have the A2 ghost ring affect ?
Wait… so “Colt SMG mags” are essentially modified Uzi mags?
Let’s just blame the NFA for no full auto.
Have you tried a CSAT rear sight?
Get Josh a jp5 my man
WACO....Ya HAD to go there, didn't ya, Henry.... ☹️