I was seriously considering buying the ID.5. It looks great and it’s a Volkswagen. But then I started comparing prices, performance, range, space and features. Then I concluded I should buy the Tesla Model Y. The ID.5 didn’t even come close to compete with the Tesla. The price of the base ID.5 seems cheap, but then you have to add stuff that comes standard on the Tesla. The only thing the ID.5 is competing with the Model Y is the looks. Everything else is inferior.
Lights are better auto wipers work, adaptive dampers are ace, VW build quality is better, VW has parking sensors, VW has an augmented HUD, ambient lights - there are alot of things that are better with the VW but id agree its overpriced now since Tesla lowered their pricing.
I really wanted to love the Tesla model Y. I was ready to buy but after a test drive I realised that it really is a lump of tech on wheels. The damping was horrendous. The car couldn't cope with mild acceleration off a roundabout, a bit of spirited driving. Not to mention being jiggled constantly on straight, fairly smooth roads. Test drove an ID3 immediately afterwards and yea, worse/less tech but much better handling and ride quality from VW (and the Kia Niro we also tested).
@@scottwills4698 sure, there are things better with the VW. Buy many things are optional extra’s. The most important part of an electiric car is the technology behind it and Tesla is simply better with that.
@@chrischild3667 I drove both the Tesla and the ID.5. Yes, the VW is a bit more comfortable, but it lacks speed compared to the model Y. Also I miss the one pedal driving on the VW.
@@kongyiu Yea the Teslas definitely have great motors. One pedal driving was well tuned too, better than any EV I've driven so far. Very smooth. I can see why people love them.
Getting an ID5 style Pro in 4 days a bit apprehensive as on motability scheme which with all the discounts discounts and free home charger works out at £1300 so looking forward to my life on electric power and with a great range of 326 miles which hopefully will work out at 260 to 270 average .great video totally unbiased true reflection of the car
A friend had a Kia EV6 on order but after several extensions to the delivery date he gave up and bought an ID5 off the self. He is happy with it regardless of what 5th gear said. They were pretty scathing of them.
Yes the waiting time for the EV6 is very long, but worth it. I got one of the first in the UK and it is superb, not driven any of the ID range, so I am unfairly biased.
You are absolutely right, software is the achilles heel of VW's MEB EVs. Lane assist just doesn't work properly on UK roads !!! I had a notification about "settings update" come on nearly every 5 minutes on the way back from a day out, even though I kept cancelling it. In the morning, it had done something to my settings - "autohold" had been turned off - which I discovered in traffic when the car started creeping towards the car in front ! It's as though the VW software engineers have deliberately tried to sabotage the EV project 😂.
OK car if you want bland looking but a GTX is £55k+. I think I would get an Enyaq VRS, as it isn't so bland. However, at this price point there is a lot out there to choose from. For me the haptic buttons might be the deal breaker... To push me to another brand.
@deadfool3344 Some people like it's simple lines. For me it just looks dull and bland. In the same way that a Tesla Model 3 looks like a melted bar of soap.
@deadfool3344 I do appreciate some modern EV designs, as they are different... Even striking. It is just aerodynamic shapes end up all the same. Like Mercedes etc. Some look interesting... Skoda Enqak, MG Cyberster, Renault 5. etc. But of course, it's personal taste.
Does nobody else find those skinny armrests in the front uncomfortable? The full width ones in the tiguan on a ratchet for tall drivers is perfect. Why did they change it?
Is it me or does it feel like VWAG are seriously throttling the performance of this platform to draw out efficiency to an acceptable level? Other manufacturers have proved you can have both…
The rear wheel drive Tesla Model 3 has a range similar to this, but has smaller batteries and is more efficient, has access to the Supercharger network, does 0-60 in 5.8 secs and costs £43k. The MY is slightly more expensive at £45k and slightly slower (0-60 in 6.6 secs), but has more storage capacity. Delivery is about a month. My choice is the M3 with a tow hitch (+£1k) and a trailer (c. £500) for the odd occasion that loads don't fit in the boot.
Except that Model 3 is no longer available with a tow hitch. Or parking sensors. Or windscreen wipers that work in the rain. Or cruise control that works in the UK without frightening the 💩 out of me. Sadly, none of these cars are without some (very significant) compromises. I guess it’s down to each person to figure out which is the ‘least worst’ option for them…
Agree, not perfect & a case of each choosing the best compromise that works for them. The M3 does have a tow hitch (on their web £1080) - we've ordered one. USS a bummer but I've been relying on a single reversing camera for years. Aware of phantom braking and will learn when to switch off.
@@chrishyde1216 My apologies re: tow hitch - M3 did come with one originally, then they were removed, now they’re back. Thanks for the correction! I hope you have a better experience than we have had & that Tesla continue to improve the ‘basics’ (wipers, lights, parking sensors) to match the efficiency & software smarts. The ride quality on our M3 (2021 LR) is *way* better than the MY (2022 LR), so that shouldn’t be an issue for you (I hope!)
@@SpenceW I was aware, but you are right to point out those issues. We tried a new M3 rwd, 2021 M3 LR & new MY rwd. The ride of the new M3 is softer/better than the 21 and better than the new MY. It also handles better (more fun) than the MY.
Model Y LR is faster, better infotainment, has the supercharger network etc etc and its less money than the ID.5 GTX. Model Y rear wheel drive is just as fast as the ID.5 GTX and its £10k cheaper. Both Teslas are available immediately from inventory. How long is the wait for the ID.5? Its a no brainer really
I’d take the Skoda Enyaq IV Coupe vRS over any of those. I don’t need the Tesla SC network, it has a more comfortable/better made interior, looks better and is £200 a month cheaper on my company car list, than the T MY
@@SDK2006b An enyaq looks better lol, interior is subjective but each to there own, when it comes to efficiency german EVs just dont cut it. Got to be tesla, hyundai or kia.
@@bartwaggoner2000 - if the re-sale value is higher then it’s usually cheaper to lease for the first 3 years, because the finance company loses less money, so passes the savings on. More likely Skoda are offering a better deal/discount than Tesla
I’m going to continue to say it on these channels - These car manufacturers just don’t get it. They are not even trying to compete with Tesla, it makes no sense. It’s simple, pay attention to range and price…ta-da 🎉 sell cars!!! And this model is not bad looking too. FAIL!
I'm actually trading in my company 19 plate ipace HSE for one. I hope I like it 😬 I've always been a fan of VW's. I had a Passat GTE before the ipace and I missed it a lot when I went to the ipace. But the price of ipace's have gone up too much now and what did cost 75k is now 90k for the same spec. And I've never actually liked anything about it other than the speed and the look of it (plus the fact it's a Jag). I'll save on my personal tax and hopefully gain a slight bit of range *maybe* whilst gaining some VW comforts that the Jag sorely missed.
I think you should talk more about VW ID globally and their OTA update. LOT of people are complaining the app is just rubbish, there was no OTA update since launch, and they delayed until 2030 (for now, it was planned for 2026) their new Trinity EV, all while firing the CEO which was pro EV for someone not so pro EV. All in all I can't believe at all the VW Group really want to commit on EV and owner of ID cars might be sad their stuck in an "abandoned" platform which never get real update.
Too expensive for me. I have an id4 that gives me almost the same spec... If i were going to upgrade, it would be for new battery technology. I wonder what the ID5 GTX turning circle is like? The ID4 for such a large car is a dream come true.
The way the press has portrayed EVs is terrible really has turned people off for no real reason. people’s minds have been made up based and lies! Just remember how Brexit campaign was built on and everyone who wanted to believe did…😂 My leaf 2.0 is nearly 5 years old never had anything go wrong cost £160 to service, only 25% worn brakes batteries on 100% health! Compared to my last ice car that cost £2k a year in maintenance.
I agree it is bland and the interior looks old fashioned. It doesn’t look futuristic but old fashioned. The road noise is horrible. I totally agree it is far to expensive. I used to love VWs and owned loads of them then they cheated with dieselgate and now they have switched to electric but still making diesel cars so I have gone off them big time
I still stand by if you can't be arsed to say subscribe each time at the end I'm less likely to do it😬 also did I miss the "click on this here to see me drive an:x"?
No, no, no! Watch Sandy Munro on all things VW id4 variants. Why buy that and not a Tesla Model Y, Kia EV6 or Ioniq5? You wouldn’t! Too slow, inefficient and no heat pump. Under bonnet build is a mess compared to Tesla.
The model S infotainment software is very badly designed: each app such as UA-cam, Netflix, browser, etc has different ways of closing and so on. More reminiscent of a nineteen eighties project than something from the 2020s.
Minimum viable performance this is. Normal RWD ID.4/5 with 200hp and 2.2+t feels almost dangerously slow to me - with modern alternatives in the back of the head..
As someone that has both a Model 3 LR and a Model Y LR, the only real benefits of owning a Tesla are the efficiency, the charging network & related software integration. Reasons NOT to buy a Tesla model Y include: - Terrible ride quality - Total lack of parking sensors - Ridiculously poor cruise control - Pathetic auto-wipers - Lack of matrix headlight functionality, despite being fitted to the vehicle I’ve clearly bought into the whole Tesla sales pitch, but as soon as the public charging network improves such that long-range journeys become stress free, I can’t envisage buying another Tesla. Some of their engineering is brilliant, but the basics (see the list above) don’t compare with cars more than 10 years old. How do I know? Because I sold one (Škoda Octavia vRS) to buy the Model Y. And it’s only going to get worse as Tesla continue their penny-pinching, as evidenced by the removal of stalks on the Model S & X
@@SpenceW Spencer I respect and agree with many of your points. Except for autopilot being bad. I've driven my model 3 over 200k km so have a bit of experience. I live in America where the non Tesla network is almost non existent which is different than Europe. I appreciate your intelligent reply.
@@dyhppyx Thanks for your thanks! I have no experience with AutoPilot (AP) in North America, but I suspect (from reading numerous posts on this topic) that there are geographic differences that cause very different experiences when using AP. Here in the UK, and even (especially?) on motorways, AP is frightening to use: totally random and violent phantom braking is so common that I hardly ever engage it any more. I just want a standard cruise control (hold speed until I tell it to do something different), but it appears that my (equivalent) US$80k for the Model Y doesn’t buy me such modern conveniences.
@@SpenceW that's really a bad experience. Can't blame you for feeling burned. I'm using fsd in California and I wouldn't ever want a car without it going forward so it seems odd to me that anyone would even consider a non Tesla especially with the prices being low or similar to the competition. But it's good to hear feedback from different parts of the world.
@@dyhppyx Wow - FSD! Based on our experience with AP, there is no way we would consider FSD. That, and the fact that I can’t see it being approved in 🇬🇧 for a very long time. Great to hear that you’re happy with it, though 👍🏼
I was seriously considering buying the ID.5. It looks great and it’s a Volkswagen. But then I started comparing prices, performance, range, space and features. Then I concluded I should buy the Tesla Model Y. The ID.5 didn’t even come close to compete with the Tesla. The price of the base ID.5 seems cheap, but then you have to add stuff that comes standard on the Tesla. The only thing the ID.5 is competing with the Model Y is the looks. Everything else is inferior.
Lights are better auto wipers work, adaptive dampers are ace, VW build quality is better, VW has parking sensors, VW has an augmented HUD, ambient lights - there are alot of things that are better with the VW but id agree its overpriced now since Tesla lowered their pricing.
I really wanted to love the Tesla model Y. I was ready to buy but after a test drive I realised that it really is a lump of tech on wheels. The damping was horrendous. The car couldn't cope with mild acceleration off a roundabout, a bit of spirited driving. Not to mention being jiggled constantly on straight, fairly smooth roads. Test drove an ID3 immediately afterwards and yea, worse/less tech but much better handling and ride quality from VW (and the Kia Niro we also tested).
@@scottwills4698 sure, there are things better with the VW. Buy many things are optional extra’s. The most important part of an electiric car is the technology behind it and Tesla is simply better with that.
@@chrischild3667 I drove both the Tesla and the ID.5. Yes, the VW is a bit more comfortable, but it lacks speed compared to the model Y. Also I miss the one pedal driving on the VW.
@@kongyiu Yea the Teslas definitely have great motors. One pedal driving was well tuned too, better than any EV I've driven so far. Very smooth. I can see why people love them.
Getting an ID5 style Pro in 4 days a bit apprehensive as on motability scheme which with all the discounts discounts and free home charger works out at £1300 so looking forward to my life on electric power and with a great range of 326 miles which hopefully will work out at 260 to 270 average .great video totally unbiased true reflection of the car
A friend had a Kia EV6 on order but after several extensions to the delivery date he gave up and bought an ID5 off the self.
He is happy with it regardless of what 5th gear said. They were pretty scathing of them.
Yes the waiting time for the EV6 is very long, but worth it. I got one of the first in the UK and it is superb, not driven any of the ID range, so I am unfairly biased.
Canceled my GT after over a year wait. Wasn't even built yet
Buy a cheaper Tesla Model Y! its much better than all others.
@@antonioknoni model Y lol
Good effort by the VW B team engineers. Legacy needs to get better real quick!
OK I had to take a double take as the intro music was the same as Matt Farrell from the Undecided channel 😂
UA-cam royalty free music library.
Thanks that was bugging me as well. New I had heard it somewhere else!
Really appreciate the conversion to metric! Thank you for that!
You are absolutely right, software is the achilles heel of VW's MEB EVs.
Lane assist just doesn't work properly on UK roads !!!
I had a notification about "settings update" come on nearly every 5 minutes on the way back from a day out, even though I kept cancelling it. In the morning, it had done something to my settings - "autohold" had been turned off - which I discovered in traffic when the car started creeping towards the car in front !
It's as though the VW software engineers have deliberately tried to sabotage the EV project 😂.
Fiat 500e is just the same - thiings turn on and off at random!
OK car if you want bland looking but a GTX is £55k+. I think I would get an Enyaq VRS, as it isn't so bland. However, at this price point there is a lot out there to choose from. For me the haptic buttons might be the deal breaker... To push me to another brand.
The haptics are fine. I’ve accidentally hit one once in 10000 miles. Don’t believe all you hear.
How is it bland..anytime I see this car it catches my eye 🤷♂️
@deadfool3344 Some people like it's simple lines. For me it just looks dull and bland. In the same way that a Tesla Model 3 looks like a melted bar of soap.
@@mikadavies660 I'm not a fan of the Tesla either tbf
@deadfool3344 I do appreciate some modern EV designs, as they are different... Even striking. It is just aerodynamic shapes end up all the same. Like Mercedes etc. Some look interesting... Skoda Enqak, MG Cyberster, Renault 5. etc. But of course, it's personal taste.
Another great informative video Richard, as part of your review it would interesting to know why Bob sold this car and what he bought instead?
Does nobody else find those skinny armrests in the front uncomfortable? The full width ones in the tiguan on a ratchet for tall drivers is perfect. Why did they change it?
Is it me or does it feel like VWAG are seriously throttling the performance of this platform to draw out efficiency to an acceptable level? Other manufacturers have proved you can have both…
The rear wheel drive Tesla Model 3 has a range similar to this, but has smaller batteries and is more efficient, has access to the Supercharger network, does 0-60 in 5.8 secs and costs £43k. The MY is slightly more expensive at £45k and slightly slower (0-60 in 6.6 secs), but has more storage capacity. Delivery is about a month. My choice is the M3 with a tow hitch (+£1k) and a trailer (c. £500) for the odd occasion that loads don't fit in the boot.
Very true
Except that Model 3 is no longer available with a tow hitch. Or parking sensors. Or windscreen wipers that work in the rain. Or cruise control that works in the UK without frightening the 💩 out of me. Sadly, none of these cars are without some (very significant) compromises. I guess it’s down to each person to figure out which is the ‘least worst’ option for them…
Agree, not perfect & a case of each choosing the best compromise that works for them. The M3 does have a tow hitch (on their web £1080) - we've ordered one. USS a bummer but I've been relying on a single reversing camera for years. Aware of phantom braking and will learn when to switch off.
@@chrishyde1216 My apologies re: tow hitch - M3 did come with one originally, then they were removed, now they’re back. Thanks for the correction!
I hope you have a better experience than we have had & that Tesla continue to improve the ‘basics’ (wipers, lights, parking sensors) to match the efficiency & software smarts. The ride quality on our M3 (2021 LR) is *way* better than the MY (2022 LR), so that shouldn’t be an issue for you (I hope!)
@@SpenceW I was aware, but you are right to point out those issues. We tried a new M3 rwd, 2021 M3 LR & new MY rwd. The ride of the new M3 is softer/better than the 21 and better than the new MY. It also handles better (more fun) than the MY.
Model Y LR is faster, better infotainment, has the supercharger network etc etc and its less money than the ID.5 GTX. Model Y rear wheel drive is just as fast as the ID.5 GTX and its £10k cheaper. Both Teslas are available immediately from inventory. How long is the wait for the ID.5? Its a no brainer really
I’d take the Skoda Enyaq IV Coupe vRS over any of those.
I don’t need the Tesla SC network, it has a more comfortable/better made interior, looks better and is £200 a month cheaper on my company car list, than the T MY
@@SDK2006b resale value of Tesla will likely be higher, sort of like iPhones
@@SDK2006b An enyaq looks better lol, interior is subjective but each to there own, when it comes to efficiency german EVs just dont cut it. Got to be tesla, hyundai or kia.
@@bartwaggoner2000 - if the re-sale value is higher then it’s usually cheaper to lease for the first 3 years, because the finance company loses less money, so passes the savings on. More likely Skoda are offering a better deal/discount than Tesla
I’m going to continue to say it on these channels - These car manufacturers just don’t get it. They are not even trying to compete with Tesla, it makes no sense. It’s simple, pay attention to range and price…ta-da 🎉 sell cars!!! And this model is not bad looking too. FAIL!
First! Love the videos, keep it up!
Nice one Richard, Can you tow with it? If so what's the capacity?
Have you tried the Megane E-Tech yet Richard? Be interested to hear your thoughts on it
so when its the same price as a model Y LR, whats the preferred choice?
Do Teslas speed up after villages etc like the ids? My 21 model 3 didn’t but I never understood why.
Any plans to get a ID Buzz on the channel? Just ordered the Buzz Cargo as a work van, be good to get your views on them
Surprised there is no built in dashcam at this price
I'm actually trading in my company 19 plate ipace HSE for one. I hope I like it 😬 I've always been a fan of VW's. I had a Passat GTE before the ipace and I missed it a lot when I went to the ipace. But the price of ipace's have gone up too much now and what did cost 75k is now 90k for the same spec. And I've never actually liked anything about it other than the speed and the look of it (plus the fact it's a Jag).
I'll save on my personal tax and hopefully gain a slight bit of range *maybe* whilst gaining some VW comforts that the Jag sorely missed.
77kwh battery seems a bit small for AWD and this size. Winter real range could be as low as 200 miles
I think you should talk more about VW ID globally and their OTA update. LOT of people are complaining the app is just rubbish, there was no OTA update since launch, and they delayed until 2030 (for now, it was planned for 2026) their new Trinity EV, all while firing the CEO which was pro EV for someone not so pro EV. All in all I can't believe at all the VW Group really want to commit on EV and owner of ID cars might be sad their stuck in an "abandoned" platform which never get real update.
the GTX should be not a GT, not punchy enough , I test drove it a few months back and was not impressed and ordered the Kia EV6 GT
VW GT’s are different to Aston or Bentley GT’s !
Just look at the Golf GTD and GTi for the last 20 years ! Pretty much bang on 6-7 seconds to 60mph
If the model y had a head up display then it would probably be unbeatable on any benchmark.
I'm not fussed about HUD in my M3, rather just have proper matrix headlamps - my M3 has matrix but Tesla need to make them work properly.
@@stevenlawrie7819 I had head up in an M4 and thought it was great. Had Matrix LED in my last Audi and the visibility on country roads was amazing.
Head up displays are so overrated and annoying
Simon does any of your beloved Teslas models have a heads-up display? Or matrix lights?......😂😂😂😂
You mentioned the ID3 a couple of times, the bottom of the range ID3 is still 3/4k more expensive than the top of the range MG4
Too expensive for me. I have an id4 that gives me almost the same spec... If i were going to upgrade, it would be for new battery technology. I wonder what the ID5 GTX turning circle is like? The ID4 for such a large car is a dream come true.
The way the press has portrayed EVs is terrible really has turned people off for no real reason. people’s minds have been made up based and lies! Just remember how Brexit campaign was built on and everyone who wanted to believe did…😂 My leaf 2.0 is nearly 5 years old never had anything go wrong cost £160 to service, only 25% worn brakes batteries on 100% health! Compared to my last ice car that cost £2k a year in maintenance.
Looks like a really solid car, but still has those hateful touch / haptic controls.
Happy New Year!
Evening mate
nice review, but this GTX is bland and over-priced. no way this should be close to £60k
I agree it is bland and the interior looks old fashioned. It doesn’t look futuristic but old fashioned. The road noise is horrible. I totally agree it is far to expensive. I used to love VWs and owned loads of them then they cheated with dieselgate and now they have switched to electric but still making diesel cars so I have gone off them big time
@@davidjohn05 "switched to electric but still making diesel cars"... ha!
Charging port still on the wrong side.
I still stand by if you can't be arsed to say subscribe each time at the end I'm less likely to do it😬 also did I miss the "click on this here to see me drive an:x"?
Its expensive , slow, lacks proper regen braking (to a stop) , laggy software. Whats not to like?
Does look good but why waste money on anything but Tesla
Yep GTX around £58K so much better stuff around for less...
Probably get another .1mile per KW if you kept your jumper on
“I rather like it.” I never know if this is positive or damning with faint praise. Value your opinion, a bit more assertively please.😅
No, no, no! Watch Sandy Munro on all things VW id4 variants. Why buy that and not a Tesla Model Y, Kia EV6 or Ioniq5? You wouldn’t! Too slow, inefficient and no heat pump. Under bonnet build is a mess compared to Tesla.
All hail the Octovalve! :)
It have heatpump.
But of You like a car Without parking sensors go With Tesla lol 😊
I've driven the ID.4 GTX and low-key hated it (for the money). Let's see what RS thinks about the 5.
You really hated it? What exactly dont you like?
The vast majority of working class folk can't afford the ridiculous prices of ev's they have all on paying bills.
The model S infotainment software is very badly designed: each app such as UA-cam, Netflix, browser, etc has different ways of closing and so on. More reminiscent of a nineteen eighties project than something from the 2020s.
Backend looks pretty big. otherwise nothing special on the looks.
That's one very ugly car, perhaps its looks better in person
Just had the same first impression
Derek, which car are you comparing it too, please don't say tesla for looks?
Looks pretty good at 6:59 i think
Looks rather boring imo.
Not fast at all them
Minimum viable performance this is. Normal RWD ID.4/5 with 200hp and 2.2+t feels almost dangerously slow to me - with modern alternatives in the back of the head..
0-60 in 6 seconds is firmly in "Hot Hatch" territory for ICE cars (For instance Golf GTi?)
Suddenly, in EV land, it's "Not fast at all"?
Really?
@@rogerstarkey5390 correct
Seems nice but borrrrring!
Another Tesla wannabe
Does look good but why waste money on anything but Tesla
As someone that has both a Model 3 LR and a Model Y LR, the only real benefits of owning a Tesla are the efficiency, the charging network & related software integration. Reasons NOT to buy a Tesla model Y include:
- Terrible ride quality
- Total lack of parking sensors
- Ridiculously poor cruise control
- Pathetic auto-wipers
- Lack of matrix headlight functionality, despite being fitted to the vehicle
I’ve clearly bought into the whole Tesla sales pitch, but as soon as the public charging network improves such that long-range journeys become stress free, I can’t envisage buying another Tesla. Some of their engineering is brilliant, but the basics (see the list above) don’t compare with cars more than 10 years old. How do I know? Because I sold one (Škoda Octavia vRS) to buy the Model Y. And it’s only going to get worse as Tesla continue their penny-pinching, as evidenced by the removal of stalks on the Model S & X
@@SpenceW Spencer I respect and agree with many of your points. Except for autopilot being bad. I've driven my model 3 over 200k km so have a bit of experience. I live in America where the non Tesla network is almost non existent which is different than Europe. I appreciate your intelligent reply.
@@dyhppyx Thanks for your thanks!
I have no experience with AutoPilot (AP) in North America, but I suspect (from reading numerous posts on this topic) that there are geographic differences that cause very different experiences when using AP. Here in the UK, and even (especially?) on motorways, AP is frightening to use: totally random and violent phantom braking is so common that I hardly ever engage it any more. I just want a standard cruise control (hold speed until I tell it to do something different), but it appears that my (equivalent) US$80k for the Model Y doesn’t buy me such modern conveniences.
@@SpenceW that's really a bad experience. Can't blame you for feeling burned.
I'm using fsd in California and I wouldn't ever want a car without it going forward so it seems odd to me that anyone would even consider a non Tesla especially with the prices being low or similar to the competition. But it's good to hear feedback from different parts of the world.
@@dyhppyx Wow - FSD! Based on our experience with AP, there is no way we would consider FSD. That, and the fact that I can’t see it being approved in 🇬🇧 for a very long time. Great to hear that you’re happy with it, though 👍🏼