Testimony time here. I had Bilstein 5100's on my 2014 Chevy Silverado 4x4. LOVED them. I sold that truck and bought a new 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 (6.2L) with Ranchos. The rear Ranchos are pathetic...so much looseness and bounce. In fact, when you are on pavement and go over a speedbump, the rear end "jounce" actually causes the tire to loose traction. Ranchos might be alright off-road, but on pavement...they don't feel controlled or planted. Just ordered Bilstein 5100's rear shocks for my new truck...and will likely get front 5100's for the front struts before too long. Great video. Stiffness (as you demonstrated in this video) doesn't necessarily "mean" rough riding. In fact, pretty much the opposite in my experience. And I am old.
I just finished putting 5100s on my '21 4R ORP. I can confirm everything you said. The ride is definitely noticeably firmer, but not egregiously so. The handling is also noticeably tighter and brake dive, while not gone, is greatly minimized. On the brake dive, what I noticed is that, not only didn't it dive as much, you don't have that immediate, rapid dip in the nose. Instead, it's slower, more controlled. In the front, I went with the second notch (0.85" lift). For me, this makes the front wheel arch gap (visually) the same front and back, rather than the stock smaller gap in the front vs. back. Overall, I'd recommend them for an early mod, especially if you aren't planning to climb Mt. Everest with it. [edit] BTW... I did the job myself and it took me an afternoon to do it with all the jacking, removing skids, etc for the first time (Would be quicker the next time). I used the "no spring compressor" method and am a convert to it (I've changed struts on many of my other cars).
Hey that’s some good feedback, I have an off road premium 2019 with the kdss I want to level it similarly; does yours have kdss and are there any issues with using these on a kdss model if all I plan on is a .85 in the front?
When the time came to replace the Bilstein 4600’s on my ‘09 Tacoma, I went with the 5100’s and did a 2.5 inch lift (approximately) on the front and the back, with an add-a-leaf to accomplish the rear lift (all from Toy-Tec Lifts). The whole project took about 3 hours and the results were absolutely brilliant. Since it was a modest lift, it didn’t even impact the alignment much at all. These shocks are amazing. It is almost as if they know what type of terrain you are on and handle beautifully whether one the highway, in snow and ice or pounding a rocky trail. The rear spring addition also made towing a lot more solid.
I've had them on my 4runner for a year now and I love them. Nice ride and good response. Also they help eliminate the back tipping at take off and setup for better acceleration.
@@robertplant9694 😂 that’s my attitude as well. A little bit of payback for all the people that have blinded me for years in my previously vehicle which was civic
2004 tacoma weak springs and original shocks our local Maui Off Road said, " Lite truck" old! Sags when i added free mulch....like wow...? Too old for recall ! Bilsteinlift is expensive to ship hawaii. Like your video on install. Also have a 2011 tacoma with new leaf springs and original shocks, just thinking??? I'm thinking muscle trucks as appose to yard looks like a junk pile of unfinished projects. RR
I’ll agree the 5100 is the only way to go. I just installed them on the rear of my 2019 Colorado Crew Cab 4x4, V6, I have the fronts, but need to have them installed for me with the help of a friend that works at a Chevy dealer as a technician, that has everything he needs at his home garage. I noticed a huge difference in just the rears and I know once we get the fronts mounted at the 1.5” raised high the difference will be great! I also tow a travel trailer that weighs as much as 6,500 at the most, 5,800 normally. That I have towed since the rears were added and there is NO extra rebound after crossing nearby train tracks I’ve gone o er a dozen times! I can’t wait to see off road! My last Colorado was an Ext Cab Z71, with what Chevy calls off road suspension, but the only difference I feel is the stiffness, but I’ll have about 28% more compression travel in front with the 5100, than a stock truck! I can’t wait!
Stock shocks/struts on my 4Runner lasted 230,000 miles, and were still adequate. I decided to replace them when doing front end overhaul - again, nothing was wrong with any of the suspension components but I lifted it a bit and installed AM UCA's to accommodate lift and to get caster within specs. One bilstein strut blew up in less than a year of on-road driving. Their warranty is not worth the paper it's written on - the shock is $90, they demand photos (that I provided) but they also want me to send the bad part to them on my dime AND pay for a return replacement shipping if (IF!!!) they (THEY) find it defective which costs you $50. Again, it's the best case-scenario providing they DO find it defective. Otherwise, you are out of shipping cost AND have no strut. Sweet deal. NOT! It might be "german engineering" but it's mexican manufacturing and american "business attitude" towards customers.
Doesnt that give it a sick and not useful off road rack???....here in New York we keep our trucks level for a lot of reasons. For one with you driving looking at the sky isn't good around here....two...most if the weight in the rear will cause the front wheels.to push like hell in the snow.....third....wouldn't be able to stop caus either be to late in the snow cause we would be watching the passenger jet going by instead of the vehicle that you would hit. I'm not being a jerk..cause we had a guy here that did that....2 wheel drive....couldnt see crap and piled it up....that stance is for trailer trucks....to the play area.....what did u put in the rear? Nothing and had 2-2 1/2" lift in the front only?? Thanks..
Tad Heath the truck is facing down 2-3 inches depending on the truck. It’s called rake. In order for it to be level you’d have to raise the front to equal the height on the back.
So, question of the day: Do the washers go on with the concave side facing away from the bushings or cupping the bushings? I've heard both from numerous sources.
so wait, you buy suv to make it ride like a sporty car? i am confused. i was actually considering those for my f150, but after this review, no way. i want my comfort
Agreed. I don’t know why so many in the off-road world want stiffer shocks...? I understand not loving body roll and disliking nose dive, but I would rather have that than my teeth rattled out of my head on washboard which is what they digressive tuned 5100’s do. If I were you, look into progressive or linear tuned shock. Costs more, but much better overall. The 5100s aren’t bad and are a decent value because they are cheap. Just don’t suit my ride preference... Of course, my 4Runner is a 16 Trail with KDSS so it handles well based on the fat sway bars which is the best way to address handling, not with shocks...
Unless you have a heavy front steel bumper and/or a winch the 6112 is overkill and more than double the cost. The difference in ride without the mentioned extra weight is negligible. With the extra weight on rough terrain it is a different story for sure and makes sense.
@@wastedyears6653 Ur kidding me right? I've had both on my truck and its a noticeable difference. The spring is responsible for holding up the weight, and 6112 springs are for stock weight loads so what you say is a moot point. The 6112 shock provides significantly smoother operation than the 5100. Just like an engine, there is no replacement for displacement. You are moving more oil through a larger valve and you get less pressure and smoother operation. Even driving in the city it overall feels better, and if you plan to actually cycle the shock off-road its worth every penny. Its as good as it gets until you step up to a full coil over from King, Fox, or similar company.
@@soldermecold7456 I realize this vine is nearly a year old. But here’s my question for you when you say there’s a noticeable difference between the 5100 and the 6112 shocks can you share more details? I’ve heard a lot of comparisons, but not really from actual owners who have used both. I have a Trd off-road. I Moving Away from the stock shocks because of that super soft ride that I do not enjoy. I wanna firm tight ride on road. And the benefits of going off road and meeting any challenges. Are the 6112’s as firm and tight on the road as the 5112’s? Thank you in advance.
@@007diego2 Sure. I have 6112s & 5100s on my 19' Ram 1500 and I just put 5100s on my wife's new Suburban; Front & rear. I have Ridge Grapplers on both trucks. 35s on the RAM & 34s on the Burban. The 5100s are much stiffer up front. They still ride great, and I love them. But you get significantly more road chatter and jarring from the 5100s. The 6112s are plush and soft in comparison. If they make 6112s for your application, I think they are well worth the extra $450 for the front pair.
I have a 2010 Tacoma TRD Sport. I think it may be worse than an old Cadillac in the handling dept. Trying to avoid something at almost any speed could end up bad. I'm about to throw some new shock on and if that doesn't work I'm going to get rid of it. I think it's dangerous.
Loved my 4th gen Runner Sport with XREAS. Totally eliminated the boat feeling. 250k and still going strong. When they finally leak I’ll be looking at Bilsteins first.
Hi Mike, for the 4Runner, do you have any recommendations for plastic fender flares that are not the bushwhackers. Im not a huge fan of the visible screws on the fender.
Nice video! Quick question, may the Blisteain 4600 Toyota Tacoma set fit into a 4th gen 4Runner? (4cyl) I think I need to change the bushing only to make it fit! I had Rancho 9000 in the past into my old Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and I loved, in the highway was like a Ford truck and excellent in offroad I hear Blistein 4600 is a bit softer than 5100 and I m 99% of the time in City and Highway so comfort and control is my priority, but with better performance, if I go offroad! Thanks!
@@Cosmicsurfpro I'm debating on the 5100s maxed out with a shim possibly or the 6112s to get a 3 inch lift. Do you know how the difference in ride quality is?
Great review, thanks. I have an XJ and I'm looking at Bilsteins wondering if they're worth paying so much more than other shocks and this has me leaning that direction. Hopefully they're available with all the supply shortages.
bilsteins run around $350 for a 5100 setup on the XJ, spending anything less than that and you're asking to replace your shocks in another few years, which just shifts costs from good parts over to labor instead. Dont skimp
Buying a 2000 tundra tomorrow and it needs shocks ASAP. Are these a good option for the tundra? Or should I go with 6112’s? Or just save and get a lift kit?
I think 5100s are definitely a good option. I put 6112s on my FJ and they are nice and seem a bit more heavy duty for sure but I have no complaints after over a year on the 5100s. You can also do a lift with either setup now or adjust them later.
@@DrivenCompanion To abjust the lift, you need to remove the struts...maybe not too much of a pain if you can do the job yourself. The whole job is pretty easy too.
Hello Mike, my car is 4runner 2006, SR5. In case I install 5100 with adjusted height of 1.5 above normal in front, then which size of spacer I should install in rear, so that the height remains equivalent? Will you recommend to replace only front shocks with 5100 and at rear keep originals and install only spacers?
My front 5100s has a metal dust shield just like the stock 4600s,, Did you remove yours, I hope you don't remove the rear rubber boot shields, they look dumb with out them because Dust shields they are there for a reason.,. Maybe you should have started on the center height adjustment with your front shocks it would have gave you a better ideal,, They settle in a little after a week,,
@@DrivenCompanion Yes plastic your right they look like metal, But still its going to hard to keep that shaft clean trying to get your fingers in between the coils to wipe them off keeping the dirt & crud off and out of the seals,,
@@boots1131 he'll be doing a video in a few months saying 5100's are junk....and it's his own fault....that's how the negative crap starts when u got people that don't know what their doing. Like tacoma world...one install or standing next to an install makes them an expert....CALL BISTEINS TECH LINE PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Several very high end shock manufacturers (Kings, Icons, Fox come to mind) don’t include rubber shock piston protectors because their shocks are rebuildable and boots tend to retain moisture accelerating corrosion issues and leaking around piston seals. For rear shocks they offer simple metal or plastic shields to protect piston rods from rocks but allowing water to dry. For front shocks no boots are used and the coil springs provide protection.
Nope...firm, controlled, responsive is better off road and safer on the highway....not a fan of diving, swaying, pitching n leanin. I’d buy a Lincoln if I wanted that.
Hi Mike, one of my 4runner's shocks is leaking at 65k miles. I'm thinking of replacing the shocks with 6112/5160. Any thoughts between these and 5100s? Looking forward to the installation links, thanks.
Really just depends on how much you want to spend and what your needs are. The 6112/5160 setup is also popular and a nice upgrade but also more expensive. I'd checkout Bilsteinlifts.com to compare the two: 5100s: www.bilsteinlifts.com/shop/toyota-4runner/2010-2019/bilstein-height-adjustable-front-and-matching-5100-rear-shocks-for-2010-2015-4runner-fj/ 6112/5160: www.bilsteinlifts.com/shop/toyota-4runner/2010-2019/lift-kits-10-19/bilstein-6112-0-2-5-front-5160-0-2-rear-lift-shocks-10-17-toyota-4-runner-4wd/
funny the way you described the OEM shocks, my Z71 OEM bilsteins had sort of the same feeling. When I had to replace them I went with 5100's and they are a lot firmer. Instead of a cadillac ride it rides like a truck I guess.
Hey Mike thanks for these amazing useful video I have a problem with my 1990 4runner it runs like a champ but unfortunately I couldn't drive it on highway it is to soft and its like a boat on the sea goes up and downs its a king of uncontrolled and scary do you think if I change the shocks it will work ?
I put them on my 2017 Silverado. They perform well off-road. But they seem really harsh on minor pavement bumps and imperfections during daily pavement driving. It's partly due to the LT tires on my Silverado. I wish I could compare the OE vs Bilstein back to back on the same road, but the Bilstein's seem really harsh.
Good video and your car looks cool ! Can I install a rear 2 inch bilstein 5100 to my cherokee 2008 wk or do i need to install something else ? thanks !
I'd go to Bilsteinlifts.com and see what's compatible with the Cherokee - i don't know personally if these will work but I'm sure Bilstein has something that will.
Hello, I just have 1 clear question please. I want to keep my 4runner as stock height, so the rear shock Bilstein 5100 is to be replaced instead the original one and thats it ? With the stock rear springs ? Does it stay the same height in the rear ? Thank u
So the 5100 would you say would help with my Jeep feeling like I’m rocking side to side when I’m giving over speed bums and windy days? I know going over speed bums the Jeep with rock but it’s way too much feed back with my stock..just like firmer ride..my Jeep right now with stock shocks feels like I can easily push my Jeep overs 🫠
Hi. Which bilstiens do you have on your Vanagon. I’ve seen several options like OME and rancheros for Vanagon’s but not bilstiens for Vanagon’s. Thanks.
@@jeffreysantos9070 ya it's my daily but it has a new head so that brings the mileage to practically 0 lol....it has 164k original miles....me and a few buddies are gonna get some used bikes for the summer so that I dont have to put miles on the jeep all the time
I put them on my ‘15 Silverado 3 years/24,000 miles ago hoping to get ride quality as good as what the 4600 shocks gave me on my ‘94 Silverado some years back. At first the truck seemed to ride considerably smoother, but now after 3 years of almost exclusive freeway driving (24,000 miles), my Silverado rides more like a 1969 Dump Truck. Take note the truck hasn’t been lifted or anything like that - she’s 100% stock except for these Bilstein shocks and has never been abused. I’m not impressed even one tiny bit!
@@jetboy770371 that’s a great question but I’m not sure what else might provide a smoother ride. I’m wondering if the Bilstein 4600 would give a softer ride. I had them on a prior Silverado and the ride on that truck was far more pleasant in my opinion.
@@c5back9 everything I read says do not use the 5100s on stock setups. They will be too firm. Only use 5100s on lifted and modded applications where rotational mass is increased or more weight is on the axles.
@@robertannable9584 well that makes perfect sense to me. Wish I’d seen that before putting them on because they were way too rough riding after about 15,000 miles.
I'm going to throw a question out to the masses. I have a 2016 4runner TRDPRO. It came with Bilstein coil over shocks on the front when i bought it new. At 39,000 miles, the passenger side coil spring was found to be broken in 2 places (I don't take the truck off road). The dealership covered the repair and new spring (Toyota Motor Company was only going to cover 30% of the cost). Then, at 89,000 miles, the driver side spring broke. I ended up putting monroe quick struts on the truck, which ride pretty nice. The only drawback is that the front ended sits a little lower than the rear (no biggy). My question is: if I eventually put the Bilstein shocks back on the truck, what would be suitable replacement springs? Thanks in advance.
If i’m not re-using the OEM (front) shocks that came with the 4runner and bought , let’s say a spring that gives me a 2.5” lift (constant load of 70lbs-100lbs) which circlip should i go with? Since the first circlip gives “no lifts” but i have a spring that achieves 2.5”, sorry a bit confused, someone here mind shining some light my way, thanks.
I had just installed the 5100 on my 2016 4runner,,but the rear are lower by at least or around 2inch, any solutions , I thought there isnt any adjustments are to be needed,,,,I havent raise the height at the front, we had the ring at the lowest
Hello! I just bought a WK 2010 4.7, it is totally original, I bought the bilstein 5100 shock absorbers and I am going to install them with the original springs, my question is how much do you recommend me to lift it so that it does not start to harm the other parts and if I have to lift more on the front side than the rear or the same level on, thanks a lot! This is my first 4x4
Thank you so much, I have another question Now i lifted the rear of my commander with two inch RC and used belstien 5100 to make it a better lift. The front i put adjustable belstein 5100 shoks as well. At which line shall i i put the snap ring to make it even lift level with the rear.
wow. do you do k1 canoeing? sprinting? Does this shock work on a Tundra well? I am looking at a 2010 limited with this shock but they also installed a swaybar and air suspension in the rear.
My rear shocks can weirdly fucked. I could not get the bolts part through the chassis and I messaged The supplier and manufacture about it and they both said that’s the correct part number and everything but it was not because the thread was only about an inch when it should’ve been about two. I had to cut the rubber doughnut and a half on the top to get it to secure and get some thread.
Just installed the Bilsteins 5100's on my Nissan Xterra, now to install new leafsprings & upper, lower ball joints & tie rod ends to complete the project. By the way like the surfski & the bike, can't beat adventure..
Yes, I had that problem before on a tahoe. Spring was wore out so bad it put all the weight on the kind I had (not these though) and had learned my lesson
@@DrivenCompanion i dont plan on doing off-road or anything like that, i have 90k on my GX without air suspension but im sure the shocks are shot at this point. I still want a smooth comfortable ride and minimize the nose dive... everyone keeps saying these 5100s are stiffer but i want to know if the ride will be harsh and if i should just replace with oem
Can’t compare old worn parts with new parts.
Even more reason to replace with bilstein. And it's a newer 4runner, imagine what the stock suspensions on 4th gens are
You think the stock shocks wore out in less than 2 years? lol
Just replaced my stock 4th gen 4runner suspension at 220k
Na I had stock shocks with 150,000 miles on them put brand new Monroe shocks they sucked putput Bilstein 5100 on now my truck rides new
Kodiak9 Same with my FJ, it’s in the shop now!
Why would you want a stiffer "sportier" ride with a offroad vehicle. This is the reason alot of people get rid of their Bilstiens
Testimony time here. I had Bilstein 5100's on my 2014 Chevy Silverado 4x4. LOVED them. I sold that truck and bought a new 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 (6.2L) with Ranchos. The rear Ranchos are pathetic...so much looseness and bounce. In fact, when you are on pavement and go over a speedbump, the rear end "jounce" actually causes the tire to loose traction. Ranchos might be alright off-road, but on pavement...they don't feel controlled or planted. Just ordered Bilstein 5100's rear shocks for my new truck...and will likely get front 5100's for the front struts before too long. Great video. Stiffness (as you demonstrated in this video) doesn't necessarily "mean" rough riding. In fact, pretty much the opposite in my experience. And I am old.
I just finished putting 5100s on my '21 4R ORP. I can confirm everything you said. The ride is definitely noticeably firmer, but not egregiously so. The handling is also noticeably tighter and brake dive, while not gone, is greatly minimized. On the brake dive, what I noticed is that, not only didn't it dive as much, you don't have that immediate, rapid dip in the nose. Instead, it's slower, more controlled. In the front, I went with the second notch (0.85" lift). For me, this makes the front wheel arch gap (visually) the same front and back, rather than the stock smaller gap in the front vs. back. Overall, I'd recommend them for an early mod, especially if you aren't planning to climb Mt. Everest with it. [edit] BTW... I did the job myself and it took me an afternoon to do it with all the jacking, removing skids, etc for the first time (Would be quicker the next time). I used the "no spring compressor" method and am a convert to it (I've changed struts on many of my other cars).
Hey that’s some good feedback, I have an off road premium 2019 with the kdss I want to level it similarly; does yours have kdss and are there any issues with using these on a kdss model if all I plan on is a .85 in the front?
When the time came to replace the Bilstein 4600’s on my ‘09 Tacoma, I went with the 5100’s and did a 2.5 inch lift (approximately) on the front and the back, with an add-a-leaf to accomplish the rear lift (all from Toy-Tec Lifts). The whole project took about 3 hours and the results were absolutely brilliant. Since it was a modest lift, it didn’t even impact the alignment much at all. These shocks are amazing. It is almost as if they know what type of terrain you are on and handle beautifully whether one the highway, in snow and ice or pounding a rocky trail. The rear spring addition also made towing a lot more solid.
Same here, but on my ‘01 Tacoma. These are great.
It’s looking good. Heads up, you may need a jack block or a different jack in case you ever get a flat due to that increased wheel travel.
Good point. Hadn't thought about that...
Or just jack it up from the lower control arm where the flat is. That's what off road guys do.
5100s on rears from 2013 to 2020. Still good. Boots went hard but shocks are fine. Great shocks. Off-road almost every day too.
they last a long time for sure!
I've had them on my 4runner for a year now and I love them. Nice ride and good response. Also they help eliminate the back tipping at take off and setup for better acceleration.
If you lift the front, make sure you realign your headlights. Otherwise you will blind everyone at night coming the opposite direction
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😂 that’s my attitude as well. A little bit of payback for all the people that have blinded me for years in my previously vehicle which was civic
With a one-inch lift I wouldn't mess with it.
@@EGGMANNoriginal that’s me bro😂😂😂😂
And your headlights will suck.
2004 tacoma weak springs and original shocks our local Maui Off Road said, " Lite truck" old!
Sags when i added free mulch....like wow...? Too old for recall !
Bilsteinlift is expensive to ship hawaii.
Like your video on install.
Also have a 2011 tacoma with new leaf springs and original shocks, just thinking???
I'm thinking muscle trucks as appose to yard looks like a junk pile of unfinished projects.
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I’ll agree the 5100 is the only way to go. I just installed them on the rear of my 2019 Colorado Crew Cab 4x4, V6, I have the fronts, but need to have them installed for me with the help of a friend that works at a Chevy dealer as a technician, that has everything he needs at his home garage. I noticed a huge difference in just the rears and I know once we get the fronts mounted at the 1.5” raised high the difference will be great! I also tow a travel trailer that weighs as much as 6,500 at the most, 5,800 normally. That I have towed since the rears were added and there is NO extra rebound after crossing nearby train tracks I’ve gone o er a dozen times! I can’t wait to see off road! My last Colorado was an Ext Cab Z71, with what Chevy calls off road suspension, but the only difference I feel is the stiffness, but I’ll have about 28% more compression travel in front with the 5100, than a stock truck! I can’t wait!
Thank you for being concise! No massive lead up or self aggrandizement BS. Straight up facts!
Stock shocks/struts on my 4Runner lasted 230,000 miles, and were still adequate. I decided to replace them when doing front end overhaul - again, nothing was wrong with any of the suspension components but I lifted it a bit and installed AM UCA's to accommodate lift and to get caster within specs.
One bilstein strut blew up in less than a year of on-road driving.
Their warranty is not worth the paper it's written on - the shock is $90, they demand photos (that I provided) but they also want me to send the bad part to them on my dime AND pay for a return replacement shipping if (IF!!!) they (THEY) find it defective which costs you $50. Again, it's the best case-scenario providing they DO find it defective. Otherwise, you are out of shipping cost AND have no strut.
Sweet deal. NOT! It might be "german engineering" but it's mexican manufacturing and american "business attitude" towards customers.
I concur I have them on my JK. Think I'll just get Rabcho next time
If you want your f250 to feel like you are getting smacked w a sledge hammer buy 5100’s for it.
If you want it level use the top clip we use 5100 and 6112 all the time at work
Doesnt that give it a sick and not useful off road rack???....here in New York we keep our trucks level for a lot of reasons. For one with you driving looking at the sky isn't good around here....two...most if the weight in the rear will cause the front wheels.to push like hell in the snow.....third....wouldn't be able to stop caus either be to late in the snow cause we would be watching the passenger jet going by instead of the vehicle that you would hit. I'm not being a jerk..cause we had a guy here that did that....2 wheel drive....couldnt see crap and piled it up....that stance is for trailer trucks....to the play area.....what did u put in the rear? Nothing and had 2-2 1/2" lift in the front only?? Thanks..
Tad Heath the truck is facing down 2-3 inches depending on the truck. It’s called rake. In order for it to be level you’d have to raise the front to equal the height on the back.
So, question of the day: Do the washers go on with the concave side facing away from the bushings or cupping the bushings? I've heard both from numerous sources.
cupping the bushings
@@ShockSurplus Thanks!
Thanks for the adjustable ring explanation. It helped me figure out what's wrong with my car's height and horrible ride.
Can it be drop a little lower? I wanna put this on my armada
i put those 5100 on my truck and hated Them Made my truck ride Very Harsh to stiff returned them and got Gabriel Pro shocks Ride is Much nicer !
so wait, you buy suv to make it ride like a sporty car? i am confused. i was actually considering those for my f150, but after this review, no way. i want my comfort
Agreed. I don’t know why so many in the off-road world want stiffer shocks...? I understand not loving body roll and disliking nose dive, but I would rather have that than my teeth rattled out of my head on washboard which is what they digressive tuned 5100’s do. If I were you, look into progressive or linear tuned shock. Costs more, but much better overall. The 5100s aren’t bad and are a decent value because they are cheap. Just don’t suit my ride preference... Of course, my 4Runner is a 16 Trail with KDSS so it handles well based on the fat sway bars which is the best way to address handling, not with shocks...
5100 is ok... good OE replacement. I think the 6112 is a much better shock with a much better ride. Really good value too.
Even without extra weight added?
Unless you have a heavy front steel bumper and/or a winch the 6112 is overkill and more than double the cost. The difference in ride without the mentioned extra weight is negligible. With the extra weight on rough terrain it is a different story for sure and makes sense.
@@wastedyears6653 Ur kidding me right? I've had both on my truck and its a noticeable difference. The spring is responsible for holding up the weight, and 6112 springs are for stock weight loads so what you say is a moot point. The 6112 shock provides significantly smoother operation than the 5100. Just like an engine, there is no replacement for displacement. You are moving more oil through a larger valve and you get less pressure and smoother operation. Even driving in the city it overall feels better, and if you plan to actually cycle the shock off-road its worth every penny. Its as good as it gets until you step up to a full coil over from King, Fox, or similar company.
@@soldermecold7456 I realize this vine is nearly a year old. But here’s my question for you when you say there’s a noticeable difference between the 5100 and the 6112 shocks can you share more details? I’ve heard a lot of comparisons, but not really from actual owners who have used both. I have a Trd off-road. I Moving Away from the stock shocks because of that super soft ride that I do not enjoy. I wanna firm tight ride on road. And the benefits of going off road and meeting any challenges. Are the 6112’s as firm and tight on the road as the 5112’s? Thank you in advance.
@@007diego2 Sure. I have 6112s & 5100s on my 19' Ram 1500 and I just put 5100s on my wife's new Suburban; Front & rear. I have Ridge Grapplers on both trucks. 35s on the RAM & 34s on the Burban. The 5100s are much stiffer up front. They still ride great, and I love them. But you get significantly more road chatter and jarring from the 5100s. The 6112s are plush and soft in comparison. If they make 6112s for your application, I think they are well worth the extra $450 for the front pair.
Terrife description. Nicely done.
Gas charged vs hydraulic shocks. Comparing apples and oranges there.
They each have their own pros and cons.
stiff doesnt mean better . i think vehicle engineers know what their doing more so than any weekend garage warrior lol
Yes. You are right they please the average buyer. They don’t please the car enthusiast that wants more.
Usually, I would agree, but my 4Runner has AWFUL nosedive and I'm ditching the OEM setup for that reason.
🤮 a Toyota
Can i add 5100's to the front to level my tundra? And keep rear suspension stock?
on order, cant wait
"Almost like Cadillac from the 80's" ? ...find that hard to believe.
Maybe a slight exaggeration? :-)
When speaking of the nose diving I believe it
I have a 2010 Tacoma TRD Sport. I think it may be worse than an old Cadillac in the handling dept. Trying to avoid something at almost any speed could end up bad. I'm about to throw some new shock on and if that doesn't work I'm going to get rid of it. I think it's dangerous.
Loved my 4th gen Runner Sport with XREAS. Totally eliminated the boat feeling. 250k and still going strong. When they finally leak I’ll be looking at Bilsteins first.
drive a 5th gen 4runner and you will know what he means but still a little exaggerated.
Hi Mike, for the 4Runner, do you have any recommendations for plastic fender flares that are not the bushwhackers. Im not a huge fan of the visible screws on the fender.
Sorry, I haven't done any research on this so can't make any recommendations. Good luck!
What kind of spacers did you use for the rear? Did it come with some or you bought some?
I left the rear at stock height
You are comparing mono chamber which is high pressure to the fitted dual chamber which is low pressure. Your push test comparison is baloney
Bilstein 5100's are monotube construction. Typical OEM shocks are twin tube since they're cheaper. monotubes are technically superior to twin tubes.
Can I use the 5100's on a Stock 2wd 1500 Silverado?
Depending on what year your Silverado is, stock height usually uses 4600 series
5100s on my taco and im off road all the time. Handle everything fine.
I was not fond of the nose dive feeling. It reminds me of an entry level mountain bike suspension that ends up equaling a death trap.
I think the opposite i think these shocks are way way to soft compared to stock.I would never tow with these on the back ever.
lol what? I have 5100s and tow a shit time all the time. I had 3700+ pounds in my box last week.. your comment makes no sense man
Nice video!
Quick question, may the Blisteain 4600 Toyota Tacoma set fit into a 4th gen 4Runner? (4cyl)
I think I need to change the bushing only to make it fit!
I had Rancho 9000 in the past into my old Toyota Land Cruiser Prado and I loved, in the highway was like a Ford truck and excellent in offroad
I hear Blistein 4600 is a bit softer than 5100 and I m 99% of the time in City and Highway so comfort and control is my priority, but with better performance, if I go offroad!
Thanks!
Definitely won't be putting them on my Tacoma. It's to stiff with the stock shocks. I want something that will soften the ride!
6112 on second notch from top is amazing
@@Cosmicsurfpro I'm debating on the 5100s maxed out with a shim possibly or the 6112s to get a 3 inch lift. Do you know how the difference in ride quality is?
I think there's some physics issues with some of your claims 🤔
Those slots you showed for the lift inches is for a coil over which means nothing for regular shock.
Icon 1.5" Lift Rear Add-a-Leaf Kit 51100
1 $237.96
was there another option ???
thats the most popular add a leaf option right now, and its good
Woke up with my light on passed out on the couch
That first part is in accurate your parts were just old and worn
do not use the a spacer on the 5100 it is a no no from bilstein
You're also comparing a worn out shock and strut to brand new ones when you're pushing them down.
More hydraulic vs gas charged…
Great review, thanks. I have an XJ and I'm looking at Bilsteins wondering if they're worth paying so much more than other shocks and this has me leaning that direction. Hopefully they're available with all the supply shortages.
bilsteins run around $350 for a 5100 setup on the XJ, spending anything less than that and you're asking to replace your shocks in another few years, which just shifts costs from good parts over to labor instead. Dont skimp
Buying a 2000 tundra tomorrow and it needs shocks ASAP. Are these a good option for the tundra? Or should I go with 6112’s? Or just save and get a lift kit?
I think 5100s are definitely a good option. I put 6112s on my FJ and they are nice and seem a bit more heavy duty for sure but I have no complaints after over a year on the 5100s. You can also do a lift with either setup now or adjust them later.
@@DrivenCompanion To abjust the lift, you need to remove the struts...maybe not too much of a pain if you can do the job yourself.
The whole job is pretty easy too.
How many miles were on the OEM shocks? Any update with the vehicle//suspension?
Hello Mike, my car is 4runner 2006, SR5. In case I install 5100 with adjusted height of 1.5 above normal in front, then which size of spacer I should install in rear, so that the height remains equivalent? Will you recommend to replace only front shocks with 5100 and at rear keep originals and install only spacers?
No just get the whole set and a 1.5inch daystar spacer for the rear. I put the front at 1.75.
You are the real strad man!
My front 5100s has a metal dust shield just like the stock 4600s,, Did you remove yours, I hope you don't remove the rear rubber boot shields, they look dumb with out them because Dust shields they are there for a reason.,. Maybe you should have started on the center height adjustment with your front shocks it would have gave you a better ideal,, They settle in a little after a week,,
They came with a plastic dust shield so I pulled it off. Definitely leaving the rubber boot shields on.
@@DrivenCompanion Yes plastic your right they look like metal, But still its going to hard to keep that shaft clean trying to get your fingers in between the coils to wipe them off keeping the dirt & crud off and out of the seals,,
I'm putting mine on the top on the front and Deaver AAL ....then stabilizer drops, diff and carrier bearing....done deal!!!
@@boots1131 he'll be doing a video in a few months saying 5100's are junk....and it's his own fault....that's how the negative crap starts when u got people that don't know what their doing. Like tacoma world...one install or standing next to an install makes them an expert....CALL BISTEINS TECH LINE PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Several very high end shock manufacturers (Kings, Icons, Fox come to mind) don’t include rubber shock piston protectors because their shocks are rebuildable and boots tend to retain moisture accelerating corrosion issues and leaking around piston seals. For rear shocks they offer simple metal or plastic shields to protect piston rods from rocks but allowing water to dry. For front shocks no boots are used and the coil springs provide protection.
Why do you want sporty on a 4wd? Give me soft compliant suspension any day of the week...
Nope...firm, controlled, responsive is better off road and safer on the highway....not a fan of diving, swaying, pitching n leanin. I’d buy a Lincoln if I wanted that.
Hi Mike, one of my 4runner's shocks is leaking at 65k miles. I'm thinking of replacing the shocks with 6112/5160. Any thoughts between these and 5100s? Looking forward to the installation links, thanks.
Really just depends on how much you want to spend and what your needs are. The 6112/5160 setup is also popular and a nice upgrade but also more expensive. I'd checkout Bilsteinlifts.com to compare the two:
5100s: www.bilsteinlifts.com/shop/toyota-4runner/2010-2019/bilstein-height-adjustable-front-and-matching-5100-rear-shocks-for-2010-2015-4runner-fj/
6112/5160: www.bilsteinlifts.com/shop/toyota-4runner/2010-2019/lift-kits-10-19/bilstein-6112-0-2-5-front-5160-0-2-rear-lift-shocks-10-17-toyota-4-runner-4wd/
Get a set of King, ADS or Icons!
@@Chinese_Chicken why?
Same here! Following.
If you adjust the height of the Bilstein shock how does it affect the ride of the truck vs stock height?
I believe the taller you go the stiffer the ride will be.
Nice first gen v10! haha
funny the way you described the OEM shocks, my Z71 OEM bilsteins had sort of the same feeling. When I had to replace them I went with 5100's and they are a lot firmer. Instead of a cadillac ride it rides like a truck I guess.
Great information and presentation. Thank you.
Hey Mike thanks for these amazing useful video I have a problem with my 1990 4runner it runs like a champ but unfortunately I couldn't drive it on highway it is to soft and its like a boat on the sea goes up and downs its a king of uncontrolled and scary do you think if I change the shocks it will work ?
My guess is that new shocks would result in a huge improvement in ride
Mike C thanks Mike I will try that
You will be blown away!
31 year old 4runner!! Wow!! How many miles? Is it your daily?
I put them on my 2017 Silverado. They perform well off-road. But they seem really harsh on minor pavement bumps and imperfections during daily pavement driving. It's partly due to the LT tires on my Silverado. I wish I could compare the OE vs Bilstein back to back on the same road, but the Bilstein's seem really harsh.
What is your discount code from bilstien?
Should be MikeC unless the code is no longer active.
Good video and your car looks cool ! Can I install a rear 2 inch bilstein 5100 to my cherokee 2008 wk or do i need to install something else ? thanks !
I'd go to Bilsteinlifts.com and see what's compatible with the Cherokee - i don't know personally if these will work but I'm sure Bilstein has something that will.
@@DrivenCompanion Thanks : )
I'm about to order some from the link. Did you have any issue shipping or wrong order sent?
Nope, no issues
Unfortunately I waited a bit too long and the pair I wanted to buy got sold out 😭. Thank you for the feedback!
Just got them today but I'm curious about the zip tie around the flex tube.....do I cut the zip tie off?
So the front shocks will raise the vehicle without a spacer???
Yes, front adjustable height 5100s use different circlip settings on the shock to preload the coil springs, which provides the lift.
Are those Bilstein 5100 available for the 2004 Toyota Rav4?
No they aren't, but Bilstein has other series available which are more appropriate
Great video man.
Hello, I just have 1 clear question please. I want to keep my 4runner as stock height, so the rear shock Bilstein 5100 is to be replaced instead the original one and thats it ? With the stock rear springs ? Does it stay the same height in the rear ? Thank u
Yes, if you just replace the shocks there will be no change in the stock height.
springs will raise ya. shocks are just a damper.
So the 5100 would you say would help with my Jeep feeling like I’m rocking side to side when I’m giving over speed bums and windy days? I know going over speed bums the Jeep with rock but it’s way too much feed back with my stock..just like firmer ride..my Jeep right now with stock shocks feels like I can easily push my Jeep overs 🫠
I have Bilstein shocks on all of my VW's. (Westy, TDI Tourareg, 2017 AllTrack) Solid product!
Hi. Which bilstiens do you have on your Vanagon. I’ve seen several options like OME and rancheros for Vanagon’s but not bilstiens for Vanagon’s. Thanks.
I have same question, which model Bilstein on your Touareg? Did it change your height or travel of suspension?
I like the 5160's myself
Got these on my 2000 grand cherokee WJ with a 3 inch lift...very nice ride and response
21 year old SUV!! How many miles? Is it your daily?
@@jeffreysantos9070 ya it's my daily but it has a new head so that brings the mileage to practically 0 lol....it has 164k original miles....me and a few buddies are gonna get some used bikes for the summer so that I dont have to put miles on the jeep all the time
I put them on my ‘15 Silverado 3 years/24,000 miles ago hoping to get ride quality as good as what the 4600 shocks gave me on my ‘94 Silverado some years back. At first the truck seemed to ride considerably smoother, but now after 3 years of almost exclusive freeway driving (24,000 miles), my Silverado rides more like a 1969 Dump Truck. Take note the truck hasn’t been lifted or anything like that - she’s 100% stock except for these Bilstein shocks and has never been abused. I’m not impressed even one tiny bit!
Is there another shock that you would rather have put on now knowing this ?
@@jetboy770371 that’s a great question but I’m not sure what else might provide a smoother ride. I’m wondering if the Bilstein 4600 would give a softer ride. I had them on a prior Silverado and the ride on that truck was far more pleasant in my opinion.
@@c5back9 everything I read says do not use the 5100s on stock setups. They will be too firm. Only use 5100s on lifted and modded applications where rotational mass is increased or more weight is on the axles.
@@robertannable9584 well that makes perfect sense to me. Wish I’d seen that before putting them on because they were way too rough riding after about 15,000 miles.
I'm going to throw a question out to the masses. I have a 2016 4runner TRDPRO. It came with Bilstein coil over shocks on the front when i bought it new. At 39,000 miles, the passenger side coil spring was found to be broken in 2 places (I don't take the truck off road). The dealership covered the repair and new spring (Toyota Motor Company was only going to cover 30% of the cost). Then, at 89,000 miles, the driver side spring broke. I ended up putting monroe quick struts on the truck, which ride pretty nice. The only drawback is that the front ended sits a little lower than the rear (no biggy). My question is: if I eventually put the Bilstein shocks back on the truck, what would be suitable replacement springs? Thanks in advance.
Good info thanks!
If i’m not re-using the OEM (front) shocks that came with the 4runner and bought , let’s say a spring that gives me a 2.5” lift (constant load of 70lbs-100lbs) which circlip should i go with? Since the first circlip gives “no lifts” but i have a spring that achieves 2.5”, sorry a bit confused, someone here mind shining some light my way, thanks.
Had the same issue... installed 5100 on 2016 4R...rear is lower by almost 2 inches or more....no adjustments has been made.
I had just installed the 5100 on my 2016 4runner,,but the rear are lower by at least or around 2inch, any solutions , I thought there isnt any adjustments are to be needed,,,,I havent raise the height at the front, we had the ring at the lowest
Hello! I just bought a WK 2010 4.7, it is totally original, I bought the bilstein 5100 shock absorbers and I am going to install them with the original springs, my question is how much do you recommend me to lift it so that it does not start to harm the other parts and if I have to lift more on the front side than the rear or the same level on, thanks a lot! This is my first 4x4
Thank you so much, I have another question
Now i lifted the rear of my commander with two inch RC and used belstien 5100 to make it a better lift.
The front i put adjustable belstein 5100 shoks as well. At which line shall i i put the snap ring to make it even lift level with the rear.
wow. do you do k1 canoeing? sprinting? Does this shock work on a Tundra well? I am looking at a 2010 limited with this shock but they also installed a swaybar and air suspension in the rear.
My rear shocks can weirdly fucked. I could not get the bolts part through the chassis and I messaged The supplier and manufacture about it and they both said that’s the correct part number and everything but it was not because the thread was only about an inch when it should’ve been about two. I had to cut the rubber doughnut and a half on the top to get it to secure and get some thread.
Can I get the 5100 ARH just the shock and use my stock springs at the highest setting???
hi sir? excuse me? planning on 5100s on 2022 4runner sr5. 2” front and 1” rear. sir, are they stiff to use on?
Nice review, thank you!
What is a car sick feel people get sick being in cars ........... you learn new things everyday
Just installed the Bilsteins 5100's on my Nissan Xterra, now to install new leafsprings & upper, lower ball joints & tie rod ends to complete the project. By the way like the surfski & the bike, can't beat adventure..
Running 5100 series ride height adjustable strut on my 2014 Silverado on highest ring along with rear shocks. Definitely better then stock.
How does it ride on the highest ring? I'm trying to decide for my 2015 silverado if I should do the highest ring or the next one down
How can I adjust the snap ring ? Is it easy ?
Its relatively easy, but you have to have them off the vehicle to do so.
nothing will drive like a Cadillac from the 80s lol… i have a 66 and that thing rolls baby
I sell Toyota's... Ppl new the 4Runner are always surprised how well it handles..
Are you supposed to replace the spring at some point too?
Unless its damaged they shouldn't need replacing
Yes, I had that problem before on a tahoe. Spring was wore out so bad it put all the weight on the kind I had (not these though) and had learned my lesson
Yo what’s my limit on block on the Bilstein in the back can I put 2inch blocks
What model bilsteins are on the TRD off-road 22 tundra?
Remember the front has a sway bar so the front will be different with only one side installed.
Will these same part# work for lexus gx460 2014 ?
I believe so but I'm not 100% sure
@@DrivenCompanion i dont plan on doing off-road or anything like that, i have 90k on my GX without air suspension but im sure the shocks are shot at this point. I still want a smooth comfortable ride and minimize the nose dive... everyone keeps saying these 5100s are stiffer but i want to know if the ride will be harsh and if i should just replace with oem
Your coupon code does not work.
it's case sensitive and only applies to the 5100s for the 4Runner
How is the ride now off road? Does it make for a harsher ride on gravel roads at all?
Good safety practice. Great video. Thank You.
Albert BeanStean. Lol
Can the height be adjusted manually?