If Your Truck Does This REPLACE YOUR SHOCKS IMMEDIATELY!!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- If Your Truck Does This REPLACE YOUR SHOCKS IMMEDIATELY!!
Today I decided to perform a small experiment. I wanted to see if the Rough Country shocks, included with my lift kit, actually are good shocks or not. My first impression with them was bad though they were installed wrong. So, to give them one more shot, I yanked out the Bilstein 4600 shocks and the provided 2" extension and swapped in the Rough Country N3 shocks. To my surprise they were still, in my opinion, really not great for my truck.
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Great video. There’s a reason they call them “Rough country.” 😃
Lol
Shoulda sprung for the vortex
Right? 😂
So Rough country pos. I have them on my jeep. Rides horrible.
Bilsteins are better quality shocks
Not my experience, rancho rs5000x ride much smoother, it's all 2nd grade mathematics to figure the length of shocks needed, weather a drag car or off road, bilsteins are terrible in my opinion, road racing they might be ok otherwise they ride rough, you'd rattle your teeth out in chicago with the bilsteins, rougher than any fire road out west, steering bearing which clunked with stock sachs zw7 and worse with bilsteins went away with the rancho, if you live in the land of smooth roads they may be ok for the other 95% the are garbage
They r junk lasted 2 month on a stock Silverado
I tried Ranchos on my Nissan Titan and did not like them. The ride was worse than the worn stock shocks. I eventually replaced them with Bilsteins and they performed much better. Note that the truck was 2WD with no lifts. I do not do any offroad and just a daily driver. My experience is Bilsteins were better. It all depends on what type of driving you do.
@@drphibesrises Nope, not all depends on the "Driving you do" it depends more on the right shock absorber for the right application, in your instance, you do have the right part for the right truck, so thats why you see a positive outcome and im glad for you,👍.
In the other nagging reviews, most of them people blame the shock absorbers for a bad performance but most likely is that they were either given or they chose the wrong shock absorber for their veihcle..
@@heathalden2905 thanks for the scam Pam ... lol
Thank you for reminding me once again why I never want to raise my truck.
A quality lift like bds or kognito is worlds better than rough country.
You would not have had problems if he would have gotten a quality lift kit.
Funny I’ve put many lifts on trucks and jeeps. Some ride worse, some ride better. Sure if you stick with the bottom of the barrel stuff like rough country and/ or just do a leveling spacer or crank torsion keys (what is shown in the video) it’s going to be worse.
Personally I run CST 2.5” lift coilovers with aftermarket upper control arms, paired with 1” lift blocks and Fox 2.0 shocks in the rear.... and it rides and performs much better than stock. But again I also could’ve put a cheap 6-7” lift from rough country for less money than my coilovers alone cost, but then it wouldn’t ride good. Also not what I want, I went for a low lift but more suspension travel as I actually use my truck and enjoy light off roading and dirt roads when I go hunting. I’ve also ran and installed Fox, Bilstein, rancho, superlift, cognito, Zone/BDS, rough country, and stuff from more mfg’s. And basically any white body shock is going to be trash, and the rest comes down to suspension geometry and lift kit design
@@manlythings7586He wouldn't have had the problem if he would have bought the right shock in the first place, Bilstein has a video between the 4600 and 5100
I went from the "Rancho" labeled shocks that came on my Ford Super Duty to Bilstein 5100's and the difference was INCREDIBLE. I'd say the problem is your Rough Country shocks.
I think he says that too
I replaced my pro comp shocks that came with my lift with 5100’s night and day. A set of 4 was only $350.00
Maybe rancho has sold out to some one else. Up to mid nineties I ran nothing but dual rancho 9000on my 78 bronco. Ford 1-ton with 40’s.as well as another ten rides (including 2-CJ-5s, and two wranglers) over the decades. Loved them, jumped them, but with a lot of other suspension mods. Never ever had a problem.
Even the 4600s, which are closer to an OEM replacement for working trucks, is an improvement over just about any others I've ever used...
How long should factory shock last , estimate
Yeah I've heard RC shocks aren't great, you really tried to give em a chance though haha. Thanks for the video i still have my orginal shocks haha.
$22 Monroe’s ride better
I’m about to get some Bilstein shocks installed (along with new track bar and tie rods) on my 99 Jeep WJ (2.5” coil spacers) and I get death wobble and rattling noise.
Your video gave me even more peace of mind!
I can’t wait to ride on new Bilsteins!!
Probably the best youtube video putting Rough Country vs Bilstein on a torsion bar lift. Thanks for the video and the work that went into it.
Thank you for the testing!!! You have save me a lot of time and money. GREAT CHANNEL, Keep it up!
I had a rough country lift on my Jeep and it worked very well for me. I never used Bilsteins before, but based on my research they seem to be better quality
Is it a 4.5 inch lift ? My truck got very bounce after installing my lift kit.
This video is really good. I've learned something new and when it's time to change mine. I'm going to get the bilsteins. Thanks Sir👍🏾
2" lift kit with stock Bilstein requires extension-bracket for shock.
With a 2" longer shock you don't need it.
Isn't that obvious and common logic?
Yeah just use the shocks without the extension
Bro u r amazing that's perfect work u r good man plz give ur group more information for American cars
Those Yellow/Blue Bilstein shocks are also indicating that they are a MONOTUBE design. They are a superior shock even at low speeds, because the surface area of the piston that the hydraulic fluid is forced through is much larger. Thus you get higher control/damping characteristics. You also get less shock fade on really bumpy roads because the gas and fluid filled chambers are completely separated. I love Bilstein shocks as you can tell
I was gonna say what he said
I bought 5100s gonna install them Thursday
You are comparing a master shock manufacturer (Bilstein) to a low quality shock(Rough Country) … RC shocks are garbage junk
Thx for the video looks like I will upgrade to the Billsteins in the future
Worst thing I did was bilstein on my suburban 800 miles replaced with rancho rs5000x rides as good or better than factory zw7 while being leveled 2+
I don't know why people put these junk rough country lifts on their trucks. Stupid
I have the same bilsteins on my 95 I'm afraid to swap them for anything ever because it rides better than anything else still has after 4 years of abuse but I will be leveling the truck because of the old gm ass up issue. We will see..really appreciate all these videos on the 95 man. Although the truck has half the power of a newer one these 90s GMs are so affordable and fun to fix up.
I had a brand new 1991 GMC 2WD that didn't ride all that well even when new. When shock replacement time came, I went with the Bilsteins. Best move I ever made on that truck. A hunting friend who drove a lifted Nissan that would beat the hell out of you could not believe the difference they made in that truck .
Good faithful truck
My girlfriend says I need a 2 inch extension lol 😂 jk
Just poke her twice then. Lol
Rough Country tends to be better for trucks used offroad where a bit more travel is needed, or constant travel with repeated bumps, but Bilstein is definitely better for on the road for these heavier beasts. I had switched my old 04 Durango (truck based) to Bilsteins and the difference over other brands was amazing. I am about to do the same on my 06 Silverado 2wd.
Bilstein on all my vehicles from day one !
Sorry to burst your bubble sunshine...
But I don't agree with your decision, the new shocks are longer for a reason. If you plan to drive on surface streets only, you'll be fine. But if you plan to do any wheeling at all, you're going to realize that the longer shocks would've extended further on uneven terrain. You added a lift kit, why are you limiting your clearance with shorter shock travel...
I'm thinking it's not part of the design of the lift, I'm willing to bet they just used trash shocks to cut manufacturing costs
true
The entry level Rough Country shocks are cheapo's like the major auto parts stores inhouse brands. They are no good for lifted or heavy vehicles.
True 💯
the bilsteins are better than RC shocks cut the stop off and make sure all the brake lines are long enough and that top bolt goes in the other way so if you’ll loose the nut the bolt won’t fall off
You almost got air bro! Send it!
Wait, what did you say? Length of my what? Okay, you did say SHOCK, and not...
She says that
Thank you for all your research and hours of work. Very informative and helpful. I have a 97 GMC suburban and will be following pretty much in your foot steps. Awesome rig.
Its all about quality shocks. Length only matters if your lifting.
Cheng Saetern do you even lift bro!? 😂 just kidding, I couldn’t resist
C'mon! every time you install a shock you say it's awesome 🤣🤣🤣
How’s the Bilsteins 4600 on a stock 99 Sierra? Ready for a purchase. Looking to help the ride quality.
What if the speed is just reduced when coming to a bump ?🤣 love the videos man 🖤
Nahhh, that's no fun.
More seriously though, if you are booting it down a dirt road, come around a corner and find a lot of washboard or a big pothole, you need the suspension to control the tires so you can control the vehicle, otherwise you're in the ditch, wrapped around a tree, in a lake, off a cliff, or into oncoming traffic.
Speed is only to be reduced over dips when transporting a wedding cake.
This proves it. Length does matter
You should get a set of bilstein 5100/5150 shocks that are the same length as the lifted rough countrys
Who else was hoping he would pull off some ridiculous test by going full speed at a highway train track cross and catching air like and sob then getting pissed off because his stops still connected lmao.
Is that hat glued to your head?
I like the comparison sometimes you just got to mess around and figure it out
Wow!!! Thanks there Jimmy!!! I’ve been looking to do a leveling kit for my 2011 Avalanche and was thinking about Bilstein shocks. This makes up my mind now!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Tinman you are already light years ahead, I have an 03 Avalanche with the same crappy torsion bar suspension shown on this 95. That should give you some idea of how the first gen Avs were no where near as good as the front coils your model uses. Only get the leveling kit that comes with taller coils, and you don’t need to change the upper control arm if you don’t want to up to 2-1/2 inches. (Never, ever take the cheap and truly ignorant method of spacers under either the front or rear coils. You will be so glad you spent a little more on a properly engineered kit the first time you take it on ruts and mud holes, towing, and adding any load to our already crappy lack of any real payload. 1200 lb payload? Christ almighty five adult men at 200 lbs a piece and you only have Four hundred lbs left for anything heavier you have added, like tires, real steel bumpers etc. The more you stack things the more weak hinge points you have to fail off road or during towing on curves or load it down with some real weight. The first gen avalanches have to have new upper control arms to control the camber when aligning it as well as longer sway bar links which are nearly impossible to find. That’s even with a mild to 2-1/2 leveling kit. I skipped the shock extensions and coil spaces in the rear and went with thicker, longer skyjacker rear coils. 4 Inches longer even thought my front level is only a 2” leveling torsion key set up. This is because the slide out drawers in my bed level out the stock truck dropping the back down two inches when not even fully loaded with camping gear or tools etc. The skyjacker coils came down 1-3/4 inches with same tool box set up, but supposedly increases payload by 70 percent. We’ll shall see when I add more over-landing racks and gear. I still consider this 1/2 ton a wannabe truck because I am used to 1-tons running big blocks and 40 inch swampers. I love stiff suspensions that don’t wallow up and down like an old Cadillac through intersections. I like not slowing down at all for speed bumps in the road and not feeling anything but the tires going up and down and not my frame. I may never like IFS but they will have to do until I can find a good condition 85 2500 suburban to use the frame and live axles from.
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@@donoberloh wow! I didn’t know the first gen were torsion key!!! I went under mine the other day and I must say I’m pleased. I totally agree with not cheaping out. It may be good on the pocket book but it ain’t worth it long term.
Get Fox 2.0 or Bilstein 5100 and UCAs with a poly droop stop.
The Rancho shocks in the kit are the cheapest shocks that Rancho offers... In order to get the best ride from the kit, you would need to purchase their RS9000 shocks, which are expensive... Stick with your Bilstein shocks as they were designed specifically for your truck and ride very well... If you install a winch or heavy bumper the Rancho shocks would be better... Have a great day...
You weren't hitting the bump stops, you were bottoming out on the front shocks. Since you had shocks that were 2-3 inches longer than stock installed with shock spacers that were 2-3 inches long, you reduced the amount of upward suspension travel by around 3 inches and increased the downward suspension travel by around 6 inches. That combination would mess with most shocks and cause poor ride quality. The Bilstein shocks are sold in longer lengths and will give you the full amount of travel your suspension is capable with that lift. If you aren't going to take it off road, I'd wait until you need to replace the current Bilsteins and buy the longer ones then. Bilsteins were the OEM shocks on my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee, but I've been running KYB MonoMax shocks for over a year and I'm pleased with them. I've noticed that they seem to dampen bigger bumps better when you are going faster instead of slowing down. Overall I'm happy with them, but I'm probably going to put a lift on it in the future and I'm not sure what shocks I'll be using.
What is the droop stop?? Are you talking about the bump stops??
I had watched your transmission flush video and came here.
Lovely channel
The ultimate setup for this ride would be 6112's up front, and 5160's in the rear! Galaxy's of difference! 👍🏆🏁🎄
Do they make them for 1988-1998 chevy silverado though??
I can confirm I installed the Rough Country N3 rear struts on my F150 3.5L Ecoboost and they are absolute garbage. They are actually worse than my leaking factory struts! The vehicule was lifting slightly off the ground on bumps over 70 mph to the point my wife got scared during the drive. It's really surprising to have such a product on the market. You have what you pay for, but in this case factory struts are way better for the same price. Avoid at all cost.
I probably would have tried to return the kit when the instructions and company told you to install it incorrectly. Fair possibility all of the parts are cheaply made.
I have the 6" on my gmt400 with the Bilsteins 5100 and LOOVE it! Great videos!
Chevys suck end of story
Love the videos!! I have a recommendation tho, i have bilstein 5100s specifically for my truck (2007 Chevy Avalanche) and it is on a 3.5 inch rough country lift. The 5100s are built 2-3 inches taller than the usual shock as well as a bit tougher than the 4600s. My point is you should pick up a set of bilstein 5100s that are 1-2 inches longer for the rear. The 5100s are just as good as the 4600s. Keep up the great job, Can't wait for the next video!!
Yes, I have 5100s on my '03 Suburban. I probably will buy some new shocks but I like to use what I have if I can get away with it. 👍
Nicholas, VERY GOOD ADVICE SIR.
Even used Bilstein struts are better than Monroe. I experienced this on my '08 lacrosse. Yes, they made blisteins for lacrosse - GXP - Impala SS
This is exactly what I needed to see and know. Thanks for sharing.
I know this much: the 1988-2000 (or so) GM full size trucks and SUVs are worth keeping simply for the fact that a fella can work on the damned things with common (yes, mostly metric) tools. Somewhere around the mid 2000’s, they started the variable valve timing stuff and the transmissions began getting more complicated. The electronics/emissions/diagnostics got to the point that most people have to take them to the dealer. That doesn’t even speak to the disaster as of late with the rear ends coming from the factory with the equivalent of 100k miles on them because of lax quality control. GM actually used to make a good product. I’d drive my 29 year old Silverado to Alaska tomorrow. But I do need to replace the shocks...which explains why I’m here..
Lol GM never made a quality product. No american cars can even claim that. There's a reason why Toyota had to fly across the pond to teach the us how to build cars. And they still failed
i have a set of RC shock/struts on my 12 burb... they feel how you described, pretty uncontrollable, super sloppy, i have had them on my truck for a year now, at first they were better than what was on there... but im going to be changing them out when i get them in, im actually going to order bilstiens today... there is so much body roll/movement that it is at the verge of motion sickness.
what i have on my burb, 3.5" RC lift, extended 3.5 struts and longer shocks in the rear, new UCAs with poly bushings, LCAs with poly bushes, kryptonite LBJ, moog sway bar links, poly sway bar bushes... i also have 265/70r18s
I bought all 4 Bilstein shocks 4600 model little over 2 yrs ago and they suck, no good. The bottom bushing on the shocks gave out. I called Bilstein company and they wanted to charge me $6.05 + tax & shipping. No help from a company who supposedly sells a very good brand of shocks. Plus the bushings have to be compressed on. Junk!!!!!. I get better service when I order parts for my warm winch, they guarantee their product with NO hassle. Free shipping, NO CHARGE 💯
this happened to me with Rough Countrys 6 inch suspension lift kit in the rear, it came with extensions for the shock but when I purchased the kit I also purchased the Rough Country extended shock for the 6 inch lift and every time I hit a bump I would get a hard knock in the rear... lets just say that I took off the extension and now it runs super smooth because the shock has the correct travel!
Jimmy love your Vids. I have a 1994 suburban with a 2 inch lift. Which 4600 did you go with? Did you keep the shock extension ? Thank you!
Cranking the torsions bars makes the truck ride stiff and handles cornering poorly. Every single one I've ridden in. Worse traction in the front in wet weather too. I try to tell people but they'd rather the truck look level or lifted than ride smooth.
I will be changing my shocks this weekend and I run into your video now I will be installing Bilsteins thank you for your time and research.
Thank you for your time,and sharing your experiment 🙏
Ummm 😐... droop-stops...??
That's a "NO"...
Let's try calling them by their true name; "Bump-Stops"... Thanks 🙏🏻
I just spent $1000 Canadian Dollars For My 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo quadra track 2 4.0 l6 engine with a 4 inch lift 4×4 And The Cross Country Don't And Shouldn't Be In The Same Video With Bernstein Shocks,Bernstein Are Top Of The Shock Ladder For Sure.$1000 for Bernstein Shocks And $300 For Cross Country And Worth The Price Fir Bernstein Shocks.
The rough country struts on my 2008 suburban are very bouncy and uncontrolled as well. It's not just you.
You should not be using a shock extension, as you mentioned in the video about driving a tacoma , that’s what I own and can agree about the stock shocks 4600s that came with it but since adding a level lift I will be going up to the 5100s for the length👍
I absolutely love that blue interior.
They last over 30 years. My Bilstein on zr2 are still good but there not long enough for the lift
getting a set of bilstein 5100s since i live in a state where it snows to replace the factory air ride suspension. since my front driver side shocks has a irreversible leak and has rust they're gonna get replaced and the factory suspension will be trashed. it'll be done by a mobile mechanic since i have horrible adhd and can't focus much especially in the summer time
dude Bilstein's...i can't get them for my Hyundai Santa fe 2009 Awd 3.3lv6, and I wish I could, love your content, and wish I was as inclined, but I have a feeling I will be in the future thanks for the vids.
How are those Home Depot washers holding up after a year?
Thank you...!
We have couple of road dips in my neighborhood please don't forget to come try them...!? 🤭 🤣🤣🤣
I feel sorry for that truck...!¤▪︎☆○•°~`♡🌙🕋💝🥰😘🤭 🤣
That’s why I go with Falcon 3.1s an 3.3s.... damn billstein an damn rough country.!.!.!.! Falcons have lasted 40,000 miles an still in better shape than the others. Oh an I have adjustability, while only payin extra 200.00 for the Falcons......: u get what we pay for when it comes to our Jeeps
I have fox shocks with reservoirs in the front and regular fox shocks in the back. When I bought the truck (05-F250) it already had them and noticed it ran like crap, came to find out all my shocks are shot, I will be going with Bilstein, send my fox to get rebuild and keep them as back up.
Great video bro. Thank you.
Your neighbors are probably wondering why that nice suburban is prowling the neighborhood.
I've had some questionable experience with rough country products. Bilstiens are a world of difference,better.
Why would shocks raise the height of the truck? The springs raise the truck
Plan on changing out my stock shocks on my 2023 F350 pretty soon. People say the stock shocks aren't so great.
Bilstein 5100 s are the same basic shocks as the 4600s except that they are longer and are meant for a lifted application, they by far rule the market
I am getting a harsh slamming over similar situations F250 4X4 with a 2-1/2 level kit and Rancho shocks I’m guessing it’s maxing them out once the spring unloaded a
Wow, I had the shocks on my 1999 Suburban and I wasn't impressed so now I'm wondering if it's this type of situation you delta with. Hummmm...
I have a 03 Silverado 1500. I put a set of 5100's on it and the ride was so firm I had to take them off. You hit One Small Bump and it just rattles the whole truck
Oh for Christ's sake...all you had to do was look at the things and you could see they're jacked up! You wouldn't drive off a cliff if Google Maps told you to, would ya? Working on your car 101...if it looks wrong, it is.
Thank you, restoring an '89 K 2500 Cheyenne and your research and hard work helped me out very much saving time, money, neck and headache with your shock and suspension findings.
Bilstein's are awesome shocks. I've been running them on all my 4x4's since the 90's. What you should do is order the correct length shocks. I have a rough country 6" lift on my Chevy 2500 4x4 and I ordered the correct length Bilstein's that worked with my lift. Rides amazing.
So I have a 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 RWD w a 6 in lift kit. How can I find out what correct length I need??
@@stevegonzalez652 summit racing is where I got mine and they have the listing for different size lift kits. Stock, 4", 6" etc... if you have any questions, their customer has always been super helpful with me.
@@stevegonzalez652 also...I run the 5100 series shocks.
Why even use shock extensions when you can get shocks in the proper length .My Wrangler has a 3.5 lift and and I installed Rancho shocks which are for 3 to 4 inch lift and they work just fine .I know for a fact that Bilstein makes a shock for a 2 inch lift .So throw away those shock extensions and those Ruff Country shocks and get 2inch lift Bilsteins am sure you will be happy
🤔I don't think those bilsteins were meant to work with a lifted vehicle, but i am no expert.....😃
I'd remove the extensions. Billsteins are very good quality. Not familiar with the others.
I won't use anything but Bilsteins. Sure they cost more but they last longer than other shocks and cushion bumps like a pro all day long. You get what you pay for.
My 2004 non 4 wheel drive needs shocks but only need highway shocks with the best ride I can get to go with my new Michelin tires🤗any recommendations 🤗😎🇺🇸
Appreciate it man I'm about to level my k1500 and am doing research so thanks for the input
I put bilstein 5100s on my stock jeep wrangler with no lift and now I have what they call death wobble ocassionally Should I have gone with the 4600s? The 4600s are shorter When the front axle goes air born after a hard dip or road pot hole the front tires land awkward and the extreme shaking and wobble begins. Any suggestions?
I have done this with leaf springs, added three to each side of my e-150. For a total of 7 for each side. Your shocks will be working harder..
my 2002 tundra had bilstein shoks struts it swayed on any bump on the street and pulled me to the sides i bought a set of shock struts and also the ones in the back i paid $186.00 for all 4 no ball joint problems but it still does the problem my question will be that I needed to buy better quality shocks.
Little lazy. How can you get any good testing by mixing the shocks. Should've tested in pairs.
Greetings for you from Iraq
If you think that's a big bump come to Alberta, in England they drive on the left side of the road, in Alberta we drive on what's left of the road
It's true the oem shocks are better for the road but the rough country shock absorbers are better for off road.
Did u put on N3's, how are they holding up?
What a waste of time, puts a 4 wheel
drive gearbox on a 2 wheel drive car then tests it in city traffic concluding that its useless. Or uses high power country headlights in city then says its doesn't work
These are country shocks meant for rough country driving & and uses high compression due to very low speeds. But then you have what you are comfortable with
Rough country is very stiff..overall I hate stiff ride Quality..bilstein will always be better in a lot of keys including soft ride Quality
you still have blue tint on the white lettering of your BFGs? spray em with purple power and pressure wash them and they will be white as chalk, and your tires will be jet black
I have a 2" suspension lift on my 1995 f250 and am struggling with the shock choices. This has been a great help to me .Thank you!
I installed Bilstiens on my 99Chevy Suburban. Awesome shocks.
if the rough country shock is for 0-3 inch lift, that bracket is not needed. you only use the bracket if you are using stock length shocks.
Just essentially saying what he wrought in the disclaimer.
In the disclaimer he stated that he was not a professional mechanic.
To put it in layman's terms, this guy basically does not know what he is doing.