It has some flaws, but Rebirth personifies exactly what it means when people say a game can be "magical" in my opinion. There were so many jaw dropping moments for me, like just walking around Cosmo Canyon and breathing in the atmosphere and music was a moment I'll never forget
I agree, my only issue was the multiverse, different timelines none sense. I mean with Remake ending, I thought it was gonna be minor changes… or atkeast things would happen in a different way. But they went straight for certain decisions characters may or may not make would create another new timeline. An I was left just confused as fuk at the end. Everything else was gold tho 💯 gameplay open world mini games it was just when near the end when it got convoluted.
It’s been a while since a single player game caught my attention like this, I bought it expecting to play a little bit then go back to helldivers 2 before really getting into rebirth and damn…I can’t stop playing it lol
I never played the OG but I can only imagine what it must feel like to play this as a kid, and then get to experience it like this in adulthood. Especially the environmental changes must be a real treat and incredibly nostalgic
I often wonder while playing how good the experience is if you didnt play the original. This game has endless subtle nods to the ps1 game in the form of OST, sidequests, npc interactions etc. I think if I didn't have experience with the OG game it could seem a bit meh. But maybe that's because this format of open world game has been over-done since the mid 2010's for someone who has played games that entire time, such as myself
I find it hilarious that you got the doods for your date sequence. For the Trials in Temple of the Ancients. I was expecting a boss fight for each character. I was gratefully surprised at what they did instead. What they did is so much better than what I was expecting!
About the shinra Villa bit, there is a section where you must find the code to open the door. As a 1990 ff7 veterinary with like 17 finished 100% runs (outside of materia grinding thanks to knights of the round) I tryed the og code on the door, imagine my surprise and laughter of pure joy wen it actually worked.
i thought that it was a homage to old fans but it turns out that they simply used the same code and you could find the code in shinra villa itself behind some boxes, feelsbadman
@@namo2403why isn’t it both? Reusing the old code is clearly an homage and fun wink towards old fans, but what, new players aren’t allowed to progress because they didn’t know the code from OG? I guess I’m not understanding why you’re disappointed by this.
@@namo2403 i know where you're coming from, they could have made 2 separate codes, a new one people had to find, and the OG one as well but with a smale suprise.
As a near-40 year old man, I have to say I really like what they're doing with this Re Trilogy. If I can sum it up it's basically "same destination, different journey", and I find that fascinating. I love FFVII, it's my favorite, and I have faith in Part 3 after seeing this. It's not nearly as convoluted as people think (people also misunderstood Remake for the most part), just going unnecessarily hard into the whole narrative of FFVII. It's a love letter to FFVII basically, made for the fans, and to me, that's super awesome. They made me like these characters and this world even more than I already have. Not a replacement for the original, but a compliment to it basically.
Actually this portion answered a lot of questions for me. Which makes me want to get to the final game. I assume will be in 2027 for the 30th anniversary
hahaha same dude i just think after that hard boss fight im gonna be to old for the real shit in 4-5 years probalby need to play it on easy then hahahaha
It’s totally a love letter to original fans. So many little moments that stick out and just make happy. Like when cloud does that dolphin ride to get up on the platform and you see him crack a little smile when he gets up there - like he secretly had fun with it. In the original at those parts I always just imagined cloud being grumpy and ‘not interested’ - but I feel like how they show those little moments in the remakes really adds to these characters and their personalities. You can tell Square really made this a passion project/love letter.
This is actually pretty easy to undertand, thanks to your summary. I haven't played the OG, so most of the time, I'm just going with the flow. With that being said, I still got hit pretty hard during that Aerith scene, and her looking at the Bronco flying away. I think they really did a good job with the characterization of the whole group, especially Aerith and Tifa, that it just hurts to see Tifa's reactions towards the end. And then there's Cloud. Completely mentally broken imo, and tbh, I really fear for the safety of the group with him in this condition. I have grown to love this cast of characters and I can't wait how it'll all turn out.
@@patrolaclipagens Sorry if my comment triggered your lack of understanding and unwillingness to understand something you don't really care about. Maybe use your brain in the future and not buy games that might require thinking, because you know, games are traditionally required to use brain power? Lastly, you don't have to comment that someone else is joking that they understand something you yourself didn't put an effort into. Sorry if this was too much for your brain Have a good day. :)
@@erinacchi9122 lol calm down bro it's just a videogame, go watch some animes and eat cheetos or sum lol or even open a book so you can understand a videogame 😂😂😂
As a now 33 year-old who first played this "original" at 9 years old...i felt like this game did justice to the emotions i never thought a 9 year old could experience so early in life. I remember how i felt when i left midgar, when i reached the ranch, when i reached junon, when i crossed the ocean, and when i realized this game was more than any game i had ever played in my entire life (albeit 9 years). This reimaging brings many of the same feelings i felt as that 9 year old. I've been telling many people who have their understandable beef with this game that i view the original as a novel, and we are just experiencing new adaptations. If i want to play a full version of the original, then it's right there for me in thanks to the remastered version (my ps1 and ps2 broke when it came to playing cd-roms in high school. All i wanted was the ability to play the original) This is a wonderful adaptation to an even better overall story. Yes, i have my issues with the tone at times in rebirth, but overal, i love this game, I love this series, and i love the final fantasy IP. i do have my issues here and there, but to act as though the square brand needs to cater to me is selfish. Im an older fan now...make room for the new ones. I can only hope they feel the same magic I felt as a child.
I just beat the game and I played ff7 remake when I was 14,and I can only imagine the nostalgia you must have for this seris and I must say this is the most cared for game by its developers and I'm so proud of then entire team aside from whoever made the BS MINIGAMES
i am 3 years younger than ff7. the first ff i played was 9 when i was around 14 or so, and it was my favorite for a looonnng time; I played 7 but knowing most of the plot beats ahead of time i saw it as a great game but a tad overrated. however, the ad from japan that says ff7 is the memories you have with it is totally true. in the leadup to remake in 2020 it was on my radar but not a big deal since i didn't have a ps4, but a buddy at college who did was looking forward to it even though he had never played the original. when school locked down because of the pandemic and i went home, i convinced him to get the original on steam and stream it to the boys over discord where we could all watch together. eventually he beat it (getting bodied by a tonberry along the way) and when remake dropped I pulled up to his crib and we played the game on the couch. I remember being stunned by the attention to detail with the presentation of the game, down to the music and the way the cutscenes used the same camera angles as the original. it absolutely captivated my imagination in a way the original just didn't, and the ending had my brain whirring to see what would happen next. I have been waiting for rebirth ever since. fast forward to now and I bought a ps5 to play this game. because of some stuff in my personal life the themes about grief and memories have really resonated with me in a new way and I was every bit as captivated as it seems like people were in 1997 when this story was first told. the magic is most definitely still alive
Having never played either version of this game, hearing about and seeing snippets of these adventures in these diverse locations, it sounds really epic and magical.
Yeah. Of all the attempts Hollywood has made to nostalgia bate everyone. It pales in comparison to this. There is nothing else like it, but ff7 was my 1 game I completed fully in my life. So it especially hits hard for me. 😊
Having finally finished the game. This is one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. It took me 100 hours to finish the story and regions and I never felt myself getting burnt out. It is genuinely staggering the amount of content in this game, and it’s of such high quality too in terms of music and presentation. It makes Remake feel like the tutorial level.
I like that you're making this comparison in-depth videos between classic games and remasters/remakes, you should think about doing a series about this, it's good.
One part I found interesting about the Final Fight was the way the First Phase with Jenova Lifebringer plays out. You start the fight with the sad theme playing and only 2 allies fighting with you, reminiscent to the OG fight where you could only have 3 people fight. However, no matter how fast you might take down Jenova's HP, she will always knock out your 2 allies from the fight. When Jenova fires her lasers and rips a rift into the shadow your party rejoins you however their attitude doesn't match with how they should be feeling, they act more upbeat and jovial for a group who just saw one of their allies die. With that in mind, I think when the team comes back into the fight Cloud is actually fighting with the group where Aerith lived, hence they are fighting as if she is still alive. Then when that phase ends Cloud disappears and I think he becomes the only one aware of the "Aerith Alive" reality, when we come back to Cloud's group later on I think that's the group from the Aerith's dead reality considering what Barret says at the start of the fight. It was just an interesting observation I made when I was rewatching the scene, I don't think the fight is happening in a linear fashion, it is definitely switching between realities but I'm pretty sure we're also seeing our allies fight from 2 different realities. There is also that strange disconnect when Cloud is with the group and Aerith wakes up, for some reason he's the only one left in the reality, which makes me wonder if during the 2nd phase of the Jenova Lifebringer fight, when the world is crumbling and they are jumping from platform to platform, the rest of the group ended up dying there. . . and Cloud was the only one to come out alive because he was the only one to go into the rift to save her, in which he's sent to fight Sephiroth but only awoken when Zack touches him. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how they plan to roll things out when they start releasing teasers but man, 3-4 yrs before that is going to be such a pain.
I was really enjoying the video up until I got to the halfway point. I had to stop watching right where I am in the main scenario quests and will have to return later to see the rest. Great video! (I think?) 😂
Chicken side quest. That is the real divider between the fans, not the fluffs. For real though, the side quests are the real gem of this game. I think it would be amiss to not mention the Gilgamesh quest line. But all other side quests are worth it, just Cloud having bonding time with his friends.
It's clear how much better than remake rebirth is when you look at what people are complaining about tbh...... In remake, the biggest complaints are entire chapters like the claw arm segment of chapter 8, the first and second sewer visit, the drum, etc. All long chapter problems. In rebirth the biggest complaints I'm seeing are a couple skippable bad apples in the bunch of amazing side quests. Cloud not getting wet in water is one I saw a lot too. Rebirth is so amazing that the biggest most noticeable flaws are tiny unimportant things.... Of course people will complain about the story no matter what happens, but these are gameplay things.
I'm on team "the chicken sidequest is the best quest" lol. You have to realise that the devs knew it was going to frustrate the fuck out of us, trolled us with that last chicken, then gave us that hilarious ending as pay off to appreciate it.
I DONT think Cloud is seeing a spirit form of Aerith. I think he actually created a new timeline where she didn't die. If you go back and rewatch the moments after sephiroth's descending stab attack, it shows you his sword in the ground. Then it flashes quickly to another shot where you see the blood emerge. If you actually compare those two shots, they're 2 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. The sword is stuck in a different place in the ground AND at a completely different angle. To me that looks like they were showing us the 2 completely different outcomes of that event. It also explains why Cloud can see the tear in the sky but the others can't. If that's what they're doing, it does seem like something which will naturally fit into Cloud's whole identity crisis that will happen quite soon into the third part.
@@rexwest4532 That part makes sense in both theories though. We'd already seen examples of both Cloud and Aerith sensing Zack in the other timeline in different ways.
I feel like the answer is that Cloud saved her in a new timeline but she still died in the Prime one that we play. Cloud knows this and will want it thus making him succumb to Sephiroth's will ("Let us defy Destiny together.") but he will ultimately have to accept that in his world Aerith died. I think we are going to go through the five stages of grief - right now Cloud is in denial so he repressed certain parts of Aerith's death that we didn't see yet. The Sephiroth clones will lead him to anger but Sephiroth's plan will lead to bargaining. Falling for Sephiroth's tricks will lead to depression along with knowing that Sephiroth's plan will probably bring Aerith to an end in every world (as she's a thorn in his side) which will be part of him being comatose. Tifa helping him bring his mind back in the Lifestream will probably go further by helping him deal with all of his regrets and lead him to acceptance that the Aerith of his world is dead and they'll keep the timelines separated. Aerith will probably go to other timelines and attempt to get stronger to stop Meteor where she will most likely reunite with Zack and some Cetra thing will teach her Great Gospel that she will use on Cloud for the final fight at the Edge of Creation that leads to Cloud using Omnislash (as Cloud is invincible in that moment - an effect Great Gospel has).
Everyone is thinking this has something to do with different timelines but they're all wrong. What is one of the overall themes of ff7 and its media? The fallibility of memory. At the end of Advent Children Sephiroth says "I will never be JUST a memory". What is the LifeStream? According to Remake it is the collective memory of the planet. The ancients could communicate with that and the arbiters of fate ensured that the memory (lifestream is everything that was and is and will be) stayed accurate. Sephiroths "remnant" is attempting to rewrite the planets memory for some reason (presumably his final victory over cloud) after the party defeats the arbiter which appears to be trying to contain sephiroth meddling (he appears to have some measure of control over them) and after his defeat he explodes into a mass of them. If you get the cutscene with Aerith in remake she tells cloud not to fall in love with her because "it isnt real". What i am trying to say is that the entire remake trilogy is taking place IN the lifestream. Its the memory of the planet itself being corrupted and changed by sephiroth thats why aerith who is part ancient is partially aware of whats going on. Its also why the "other timelines" exist because its the plants memory fucking up from the changes being made after the arbiter is destroyed. @@writer_man5318
@@writer_man5318 interesting theory there. I think its Aerith is still around to help Cloud from falling apart. In Niebleheim, Cloud is concerned about his solder cells degrading and Tifa and Aerith are telling him that it won't happening. You see in Advent Children Cloud is living with the guilt of Aerith`s death. Aerith is still around to help Cloud and Tifa will help Cloud like she did in the OG. Where he accepts his real memories.
The game does a lot of weird stuff, especially towards the end, but overall I’d say it was very solid and greatly expanded on the characters, which I’d say is one of the best things they could do. It won’t be everyone’s thing, but I’m totally for it
@@captainpep3That's the same approach for KH story, the fans are mostly just waiting how crazier they can make the lore while being more hyped for the gameplay and i really don't like that this is what they made with FF7. I like FF7R but at the same time i consider it inferior to the original since they really undermined what made it special (the themes, atmosphere and certain bits of the story that were worse on Remake due to the more Hollywood/Average Anime/KH approach they did on certain things) which is a shame since Remake is mostly better on everything, especially when it comes to the characters interactions and Gameplay, i really wish they never added the Whispers things and kept Sephiroth the way he was on the original only adding a *few* more than they did so far, or at very least, introduced him on Rebirth. A 1:1 Story Remake with the gameplay changes could've easily been one of the best games of all time.
@@stampoulisrafael5262It's my opinion, 1997 FF7 is in my opinion a better game because i like the narrative and visuals of it more, if it wasn't for the Remake's questionable choices when dealing with Sephiroth's character, Whispers and the endings, it would've been better than the original for me, unfortunately Rebirth's ending made me see the original as better unless on Part 3 they pull up a extremely well thought and incredible story which i really doubt, with that said, Gameplay wise and obviously graphics wise, Remake is way better than the original.
Played the PS1 version as a kid and loved remake and rebirth. There are definitely reasons I can see for people not liking the changes, but I know as a kid the death scene hit me hard, and with these multiverse changes I thought I knew the whole game to just expect the death, then for a moment they got me and I believed it had changed just to have it ripped away again and it hit me in the feelings again. I personally am a fan of time/multiverse shenanigans in stories, so the changes are something I love assuming things tie up in the end. too many loose ends could hurt the third game, but I'm hoping there is a vision in place to tie it all together. Given how much I felt like a 9 year old again exploring the world and seeing some of my favorite characters fleshed out, I'm willing to wait and see and just enjoy what we have now without worrying about future execution.
I honestly love how they are doing everything. Like the ending has me so curious. Like does cloud even realize wtf is going on with him or is he so mentally shattered hes just going through the motions? The OG will always be there and i still have fond memories from when i was a 6 year old experiencing it all for the first time. I am 100% on board with whatever comes next with this trilogy cause its just so new that its giving me the same dopamine i had playing as a child!
That’s the one part I love how Rebirth closed out showing to the audience and players in Chapter 13 how out of it and psychotic Cloud was becoming in the ancient temple and slowly and slowly not trusting himself which closes out good to question the players on him and his behavior especially at the credits scene with him putting the black materia in the buster sword making people wonder, hopefully they open it well towards the beginning of part 3 and accurate how Cloud tells the party and gang how he doesn’t trust himself and talks of Sephiroth controlling him and advising that he should hand over the black materia to either Barret or nanaki, it could play out so well
oh, I remember there was a set of videos that had the OG camera angles comparing FF VII Remake to the OG FF VII. Good stuff. Also shows what amazing attention to detail the SquareEnix devs had for recreating the new environments.
Rebirth is such a massive game it’s hard to keep up with certain parts and set pieces they’ve given a glow up or changed around from the original, especially if you haven’t played the original in a while like me. I do respect you for calling out some filler parts as Remake had filler parts too such as making you go through the Midgar Sewers a second time, but all that aside I’m glad you were able to make this a decent length video for a huge game like Rebirth and explaining all the changes and comparisons.
I am glad they were faithful to the original with one main element and that is my biggest memory from the original not being Knights of the Round Mimic or getting the Black chocobo and that fun racing mini game to do all the hard end game sidequests but actually one thing i loved even more was that snake in the marsh desert you have to use the chocobo because he is too hard to kill part at the very beginning of D2 TY for this great video comparison nice job sir!! I really hope they do justice to what made the original so amazing to me and the reason i played it like 7 times all the stuff done and that is the addictive nature of the final few side quests to get the best materia yellow and red mostly
If Aerith is your date in chapter 7 … which gets interrupted … will she the date in chapter 12? Aerith was my goal because I view her as a much better character than Tifa.
@@BakesBread001Well twelve days later lol but no it can change depending on the bond level. I'm pretty sure the date that gets interrupted can only be with Aerith or Tifa however the actual date can be between any party member except Cait Sith, if for whatever reason your relationship is low with everyone you get a different scene though imo it's not worth going for all the one on one's are better.
@@CrazyxEnigma yes I progressed to the date scene just today in chapter 12 and I kept Aerith. It was a nice scene. But in hindsight, it doesn’t matter who you get.
frfr. i heard a bunch of good stuff about xenoblade chronicles so i gave 2 a try but 5 hrs in it just wasnt cutting it for me, so i sold it to a buddy for a couple bucks and bought edibles lmao. later on bro tells me about the ending and im just like ????? lmaoooo
Loved the original; one of my favorite games of all time. Loved Remake and Rebirth, also one of my favorite games of all time! I’m here for the ride and to see where we end up. We will always have the original so I’m glad they are taking liberties with the remake. The wait for the third part in the remake will be brutal!
I loved how you recapped the OG in this :) I'd love a video of what happens next in the OG, since I can't remember and it's been 20+ years since I played. That would get me excited for the next game. Feel free to guess how they'll reinterpret this in the next remake title.
This is the first video I've seen where someone finally seems to have understood that Aerith died, other videos I've seen people don't understand or believe that he is seeing Aerith from another dimension, maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me, it seemed clear that Aerith actually died, but Cloud, who never had the sanest mind in the world, did not accept her death and believes that he managed to save her.
My man Cloud covered the trauma of Zack dying by erasing his death from memory and thinking he is him, I’m pretty sure having another huge trauma of Aerith dying would make him severely in denial and likewise erase any memory of her dying and thinking she just left the group at the end of the game
Hey Flandrew this is a shot in the dark but I watched all your videos multiple times and that your voice is soothing thank you so much I hope you have a good week
As a game it’s absolutely a blast, best final fantasy in a long long time, handsdown. Despite some annoying flaws and performance issues. I dont say its a bad game at all because of those flaws. But As a reimagining of the og i have to say i had mixed feelings. Some things they changed a little too much, no boss battle theme from the og, and the very complicated ending tbat confuses people. Still a masterpiece tho
I personally don't like multiverse stories when the different universes/timelines intersects and stuff. I feel it usually takes away the gravity and stake of any situation in the story because you get the feeling there's always a copout or solution in "another" timeline or universe. I still like the game. It's fun and the side minigames really brought me back to the good old days of JRPGs in the early 2000s where the side stuff were fun. And I think the FF7 story is told much better in Rebirth than OG. But I feel the alternate timeline thing did not add anything to the story at all. It's so much more relatable when it's just a delusion in Cloud's head.
ending was confusing af but its nomura so its expected 😅 the way they integrated cid i thought was genius though, have him show up and join the team but keep all of his story stuff til the next game loved it open world filler i got sick of 3 assassins creeds ago but the world itself was beautifully done honestly not really any issues with this game it was done really well and made me super excited gor part 3 hopefully wont take as long to come put as rebirth
Love it, thank you for this video. FF7 was my first FF game. I was 16 years old. At first I wished the remakes were more like the original, but in order to make three seperate games with an ending story line to each, I think the developers came to the absolutely best conclusion so far. At least they can stick to the story line in the final game while still making sense of the two previous installments.
Just wanna say its *not* impossible to cross the swamp without a chocobo, its just stupidly hard and requires a lot of precision and luck lol Will also say, I personally loved the ending, I got a lil confused with the reality jump at the end but I figured it out by the credits XD
I'm fully convinced that the whole alternate timeline, whispers subplot, is just a really convoluted way to force in a happy ending towards the finale of the third game while still "retelling" the og plot.
Honestly I think thats where it's going too, and it's trying to sell you more on wanting that by making you relate to Aerith A LOT more. And I don't mind it too much.
I think the fact I haven't played the original game since I was a kid makes me much more open to all this. I remember more midgar, and the third disk stuff than anything lol@@christianlopez707
There are still alot of questions left at the end of Rebirth but who knows, maybe most of them will be answered in part 3 when it eventually gets the Remake make over. I mean we were confused about the Zack and Biggs ending in the Remake until Rebirth answered that with the introduction of a newly created multiverse. Maybe it’ll all come together in the final part.
Being able to experience the world and story like this was one of the most amazing video game experiences in my life. I never would have imagined that I'd see such a thing like this happen. Nearly everything was just how i would have wanted it to be. My only true complaint was everything that happened after the trials in the Temple. Things just carried on for too long and got weird. Aerith's death scene was a big miss for me, it was just taken over by Whsipers and then an overwhelming series of battles and multiverse stuff that by the time it's done it's just like, "oh yeah, Aerith died". She didn't even get to have the iconic funeral. We also didn't get to explore the Forgotten Capital. Nearly everything else in the game was fantastic, so it's hard to be too disappointed. The game took me 131 hours to finish and I had the best time seeing so many familiar places brought into a new life. This game really brought joy back into my life that I haven't felt in ages.
It sucks how Fort Condor is blocked from the game. It’s supposed to be happen between Junon and the Yuffie hunt. It sucks how you don’t to have let Yuffie tag along after the boss fight for her, because that’s completely removed! And Yuffie herself shows up in Junon.
Max Mittleman, Red XIII’s voice actor, just has range. On one hand, you have the old and wise voice that we got used to for Red. On the other hand, when you reach Cosmo Canyon, you have Red turn into Ryuji Sakamoto from Persona 5.
Only played the original after finishing Remake, wanted to know where the story would be going. It was fun to see the differences, like some sort of reverse nostalgia. I've had a blast with Rebirth, but I do find the ending a bit confusing. I hope it'll all make sense in the 3rd game, with a satisfying conclusion.
i personally liked the ending but it def could have been fleshed out a little bit. wasn't a huge fan of constantly flipping between is aerith dead or alive but it also kinda makes sense why they did it. it seemed like it was showing the point when cloud can start seeing multiple worlds thanks to both aerith and sephiroths influence. also i am so glad i switched to the buster sword for the final fight, seeing zack and cloud both use it was cool af!
I think the marsh Zolom moment in the og game was one of the most memorable moment in the entire game It served 3 important purposes, 1st it was the game’s way to tell us ok now you are out in the open world, shit is wild and you may stumble onto ennemies much stronger than you so be careful where you step into 2nd, it was also a testimony of Sephiroth’s strength (which we still didn’t know much about at this point in the og game) We’ve been warned about this extremely dangerous and powerful snake, and when we see it for the 1st time, it’s been completely annihilated by Sephiroth, seemingly effortlessly , which really made you feel how strong and terrifying Sephiroth was And finally, later in the game after dozens of hours when you came back to the marshes and finally fought the snake, you actually wiped it out like it was nothing, and it really made you feel like so much had happened since you first were here, and you could really feel how strong you got and how long the journey has been, which really was a powerful feeling Unfortunately the Rebirth sequence does none of that, and make it look and feel like your average action packed boss fight (I loved the game though)
Yep however given the party has already fought Sephiroth in the Remake timeline the way of building up Sephiroth into a threat the original did is pointless to repeat. However they could've done a better job with what ended up happening imo.
@@CrazyxEnigma Sure, but that was not my point I did not advocate for Rebirth to redo the same sequence, I just pointed out that what an iconic scene in the og game was now a fairly average scene in Rebirth, that’s not the same thing
I disagree. In the original, the snake was a threat because you'd lose if you tried to fight it. In Rebirth, you fight it... and the party loses. You can't beat it. Like, Cloud is actually going to die. So it still does that. Point 2 you mention seeing the snake completely annihilated by Sephiroth effortlessly - again, that happens in Rebirth and you literally see how effortless it is for him. So it still does that. The only thing the game doesn't do is let you go back and fight it later, but it's entirely possible they'll put that in part 3. So it still does 2/3 of the purposes you mention, and might do the third later.
I personally am enjoying the whole thing of being generally the same as the original but also expanded with some differences. I think the divergence from the original is a large part of why i was legitimately surprised at aeriths cetra alter scene in rebirth. FF 7 wasnt a part of my childhood but having played the original, crisis core reunion, remake and rebirth all for the first time as a 23 year old i think this is a good way to do a remake when the original is a completly different gameplay genre and is also equally (or honestly more) available other than pricing debates. It also does a lot to in my eyes make it look like final fantasy is celebrating its past but not stuck and dragged down by it.
I have a relatively low tolerance for overly complex twists upon twists that are kind of standard fare in JRPGs. I think FFVII is a powerful story that is kind of archetypal and I don't know that it is enhanced by all of this extra. That said, its beautiful and obviously done with a lot of love.
I think whats most important at the end of the day is despite how much insane shit happened in the last hour or whatever even, we still end in the same place, dunno what the eventual end result will be of all the multiple worlds stuff, and how they'll even find time to explore all of it while also staying on the main normal path of things, but regardless of any changes or flashes to other outcomes and possibilities, we will still start part 3 in a world where aerith is gone for us, even if there's a version of the events and a world where she did get to live, its not the one we will live in, I think they just did all that just to show people that in someway shape or form in another life, she lived
I'm one of those people who liked the ending. But my interpretation of it is different, I haven't watched any explanation videos yet. (SPOILERS AHEAD) In that scene where he explains things he mentions that when fate is changed realities are split. His plan was to converge those realities to one. But then it became a question on if saving aerith or letting her die was good for the planet or not. I'm gonna say saving her would have helped. But letting her die would have aligned the realities and given sephiroth a chance to try things again and succeed completely with all the parameters familiar. But instead it seems like cloud succeeded in saving aerith, so in the end there's no convergence of the realities. There's a reality where he fails, which is what we see mainly and it seems like what sephiroth intended for after he fails is still happening (which is why he's acting weird, and has the black materia), and a reality where he succeeded, and zack is alive cause it's not fixed. In short, sephiroth (or maybe Aerith) is fucking with fate, and it's causing a lot of fuckery. And cloud managing to save aerith at least in one reality means the fuckery is not over.
So you traded a poignant and emotional character-moment for a theory-crafting session. Whoop-de-doo, is SE's Marketing Department going to Love Yoouuu.
@@Flopdoodle Nothing was traded, the OG was a masterpiece for its time and still holds up well. The "Remake" made it clear that they will reimagine the story and not just retell it, so nothing is safe. And honestly I love that approach, the original doesn't run away and the Remake trilogy is finally telling a new story which makes the games way more worth imo. It's way better straight up saying that they change a lot instead of just getting hate and complaints because a scene wasn't as truthful to the original as it could be.
Thats the thing though, if you play the game it makes a concentrated effort to make you relate to Aerith a lot more. The game knows you know she's going to die and hell even tells you out right multiple times. And that's probably one of the most significant story beats to people outside the ending itself. It IS an emotional moment, it all has a lot of build up. It's a lot less okay that she dies. And that mentality is echoed in the conclusion of this. I don't know where they're going to take it, but it's a plot thats not trying to sell you on surprises you already know. And I enjoy that a lot. @@Flopdoodle
IMO I probably wouldn't enjoy the game as much if i knew exactly everything that was going to happen. I bought crisis core and skipped it cause it's just the same game but zack's VA doesn't fit near as well lmao. I can just enjoy myself having this be so unique.@@natsudragniel7466
For a next video can I suggest comparing versions of Sims 2? I know they also created different games for each console, and I particularly the NDS version being known because it was really strange and had a mysterious vibe
"No promises await at journey's end" is pretty fitting for the ending of part 2. Part 1 and now even part 2 have made it clear we don't want to tell the old classic we will reimagine it. Nothing will be safe or sure. Aerith literally died at the end, yet she also didn't die. Zack died in 1 more reality, while he's taking his fate in his hand in the other reality and again in another reality he meets Sephiroth In front of the church, while Aerith is pushing cloud through the rift. Aerith will live in Part 3, but probably won't be in the main universe we're playing and maybe all universes will have a reunion with the outcome of all characters surviving or even all characters dying. Zack also shouts to Cloud to save Aerith which would make no sense, if they just killed her off for good right afterwards.
Yeah, they have been butchering a classic for two parts now and it will probably get even worse in the third part. It is such a shame and waste of potential.
@@loto7197 Bad writing has turned away a lot of players, so I wouldn't say it is engaging. Square should have taken inspiration from Capcom. The remakes of the Resident Evil games are great, they change some of the events but do it with respect, they expand the world and add new story elements to it, yet they serve the story well and fit in. Unfortunately what they have done with FF7 remakes is the complete opposite.
All this shows is they’ve turned FF7 into a theme park with nostalgia bait rides in between the story bits. It’s not impossible to adapt a story with new ideas and new directions, just look at the differences between Lynch and Villeneuve’s Dune films. The problem is I think Square Enix feels like they know better, like how modern Disney feels like their films are more profound than they really are. Doing something new is fine, but after a point it feels more like the original is being mocked or parodied rather than adapted.
One of the most disappointing things about Remake/Rebirth was that they couldn't leave quiet moments as just that; they always had to turn everything into some grandiose event. I'm also pissed they cut Bone Village completely and didn't let you explore Forgotten Capital.
They might still add it in part 3. I'm pretty sure we should've been able to go to Wutai aswell, and they confirmed we'd be able to in part 3 instead. Iirc
@@Klearith You talking about Bone Village or Forgotten Capital? In the original game you go back to Forgotten Capital with Bugenhagen to use the Key to the Ancients so I'm not sure how they're going to do that with it being destroyed. As far as Bone Village goes, I'm hoping they use it as a means of getting into the Ancient Forest at least
In the end of the game, we're shown 5 different timelines. Most of which aren't really that important, but are shown more so as an example of what Sepheroth is talking about when he explains timelines branching apart and eventually converging. Each timeline is distinct by it's breed of dog the Shinra propaganda dog is. The timelines we see are as follows. *Beagle Stamp* - The prime timeline that the main party exist in. *Terrier Stamp* - The timeline where Zack is displaced into the end of Remake and rescues Aerith and Cloud. This Zack ultimately goes up Shinra tower. *Pug Stamp* - Instead of going up Shinra tower, Zack goes to see Biggs at Reactor 6. *Shiba Stamp* - Zack is indecisive and instead goes to the church where he encounters Sephiroth. This is the Zack who tumbles into the lifestream and finds his way into the prime timeline to fight alongside Cloud. *Collie Stamp* - A version of Zack's timeline where Aerith and Cloud from the prime timeline manifest and go on a date in Sector 6. 5 timelines in total. But ultimately the Zack we fight alongside is the Shiba timeline version.
Idk, I don’t see a lot of people who have a problem with this game other than the performance mode being blurry, but at the same time they can very small but vocal to the point where they act like they know how to develop a game or that they know what is best for a brand they didn’t even make. My point is that they did such an excellent job with rebirth and I would go as far as to say that this the best final fantasy game/also JRPG ever, and a lot of other people agree. I would just hate to see false or unnecessary criticism being sent to the developers and not having the next game be as large in scale because of the small but very vocal problems people may have about the open world or story. I’ve seen this happen where unnecessary criticism was being provided and so by the next game they scrap everything good and fun all together. I’m not saying the game is perfect because there’s always room for improvement, nor am I worshipping them as if they can do nothing wrong. I just love how they made this game is all and don’t want the next game to be downgraded from rebirth. The problems I have aren’t criticisms, they are just nitpicks that I have with the game because it’s just me being me 💀. Nitpicking in my opinion, isn’t criticism. I know I’m probably going to get grilled regardless.
Honestly if you wanna hear some genuine criticism from someone who still loved the game I got one word for you: Chadley 💀 like I'm sorry but I liked him so much more when he was just a lil side thing for materia and had some goofy one off lines that were actually kinda funny sometimes, but on hear just think about how many lines he has where they coulda had the party interacting more instead, like I don't wanna hear chadley yapping about 32 lifesprings or towers when we could have things in the open world that call for more interaction and banter between the cast we actually care about, I loved all the sidequests cus they're exactly that, but I really hope we can get less chadley in the next one, especially if the world is gonna be in a doomsday event after a certain point I don't wanna hear his little goofy music in every town when I run past and have him being all cheery and silly about world intel, they can keep him around but please tone it down yknow 💀
Rebirth (and Remake) are way more faithful than people give them credit for. Many of the "changes" are just expansions on the original that only add, not contradict. The few changes that are actual changes seem to mostly affect just an alternate reality. The overall plot and events of both remake games are still mostly identical to the original, just with huge over-the-top endings stitched on to make them feel like full games.
True though, and however it ends up being in the end of all things, I think the multiple worlds angle is just to give people who want to see certain characters alive a way to be able to SEE that in canon, while also having the main timeline still hit all the same beats, there's something to be said about how much budget is being used for that stuff that could be used elsewhere, but still lol
they're not just cause they go to the same location doesn't mean they're faithful, that's just nostalgia baiting the reality is they are not even faithful in the slightest due to all the changes story is completely different, pacing of events is scattered, the open areas are meaningless and better off gone open world padding changes to resolution of character arcs (more to Barret's friend than anything) devaluing the moment entirely - from a somber goodbye to a needless "sacrifice" that was never needed stop eating up slop
I was quite simply blown away by this game and had soooo much fun with it, the only part I was not as impressed with was the final hour or so where it did have me rolling my eyes at how many phases I had to beat of a character I didn’t feel like I should be fighting yet.
The OG FF7 has a very straight forward story and I think that’s part of the reason why it did better than most final fantasy. We’re not here for multiverses, back to the future or avengers. Overall, it’s still better than none.
@@oldsaddad7274 yup terrorist tree huggers fight a corporation to save planet, encountered a real planet threat, Seperoth cause he’s literally gonna destroy the planet with meteor. Party stops Seperoth saves the day. Planet lives as red 13 runs with his kids 500 years later planet filled with lush and life. Yup straight forward. No multivers, no multiple time line, no multiple clouds, no multiple white and black materias. Don’t need 20 ending interpretation videos on social media.
Man, I love these games so goddamn much. I really hope Part 3 of the Remake won't take more than 3 years to release, it's so close at getting completed.
It would be so sick if they can do 7/7/27 but I doubt just a little over 3 years is enough, as much as I wanna say they can reuse a lotta the same maps, I don't think most of it will be 1-1 anyways, even if some town layouts should and will stay the same, cus especially if they have to make the highwind be playable, there's gonna need to be some serious tweaking to how the areas really connect, and I doubt we can just land it anywhere flat so there will be dedicated landing pads or something
7 remake and 7 rebirth are a great example of how a Final Fantasy game should be. They both have the same charme as the older games from the golden era. Something they have lost in 15 and 16.
I beat the original FF7 and still had no idea what was going on in Rebirth. It’s amazing how such a beautiful, well-made game can have the worst, most unfollowable story in gaming.
@@popeyeschicken3535it's not hard to understand but it's just a bad FanFiction throw into the original's good story, most of the "changes" end up on the same place as the original or are red herrings with extra fluff.
Thats why they shouldnt have split it into 3 games. They could have still fleshed out and expanded on things that matter without adding all the unecessary filler if it was just one game. This way they have to force fillers to make the games articifially longer
I was born in 1997 and my uncle played this while I watch in early 2000s. Playstation played a huge part in my child and I'm playing this again as a 26 yr old working adult, child at heart
Here's the difference. OG ff7 was deigned specifically to try to introduce jrpgs to western culture just like Final fantasy mystic quest (which failed). In order to appeal to as many people as possible, the story had to be as simple and easy as possible (a.k.a final fantasy for dummies 2.0) so that anyone could finish the game. This is why they added bonus content like knights of the round and ruby/emerald weapons. Rebirth didn't have to the same job as the original, so why make it the same?
I loved rebirth. But I have rarely been so pissed off in my life than when I saw the ending: the original scene was a master class, the rebirth ending is just... WTF? I only felt anger, frustration and being completly lost. she alive! no she's dead, oh wait she's alive! no she's dead... WTF is going on?!?!?! They completly lost the emotional impact of the original, and made it way too complecated than it needed to be.
I agree, I absolutely loved this game but the Aerith's fate was not handled well, and I see what they were going for, they just made it confusing by making her seem alive multiple times as she was dying, which is a shame but at the end of the day this game is still just so good.
I think that's to deliberately leave you guessing and anticipate the third game. Can't really judge the story or game properly until you've played through the series.
I didn't hate the ending and still don't understand what they're doing exactly lol. It seems to me they're keeping it vague on purpose to get people talking and theorizing about it which if that's the goal they succeeded. Me personally I read it as Cloud being more fragile than he was in the original game has wiped the memory of her dieing from his mind in order to cope and now she's a mental figment of his imagination but given all the different timeline stuff going on maybe I'm wrong🤷 won't know for sure until part 3.
The swamp isn't impossible to cross. Not only can Zolom be defeated at lower levels than intended but if you time it right you can run right past it without a chocobo
As someone who played the OG as a kid, I love these new games. I will say I did get incredibly annoyed in sections of Rebirth (and remake) that were clearly there just to pad out game time. I would rather get the point, and have a shorter game, than do nonsense task that feel like a chore. But what makes me love the game is the story and camaraderie with you and your friends. It's easy to immerse yourself in this world and get attached to the characters, just like you do with people in reality. I found myself making certain choices with game characters just because I wanted the best outcome for them (just like I would with real friends). I kept reminding myself that how I treated people in game didn't actually matter because these are not real people haha. All in all I had a great time minus the filler tasks, and I am really looking forward to part 3. For those of you upset about the story changes, I would say you just need to look at this as a different game. Think of it as a "what if" game. If you still don't enjoy the game after separating this from the og, then you just don't like the game and that's ok!
I never played the old ff7 but the new Rebirth is so Off pace and heavy-handed in its writing that i dont get why ppl Hype it Up so much. I watched a steeamers playthrough and, while it Looks very pretty, 80% of what you do is completly irrelevant to the Plot. "The World is dying, saphiroth must be stopped, ahinra tries to kill us, lets Go on a vacation.... TWICE!!" And im srsly sad about that because cloud and aerith and berret are genuinly interisting characters if they stop expositioning every little thing for 5minutes and follow the actual plot. I really dont get why there are sooo many minigames. It felt more like wario micro games than an actual rpg. And dont get me startet on the andriod dude (i forgot his name). He is so completly out of place its not even funny.
@@ryanredd4552 i typed the comment in between chores and was a bit fast with it i noticed myself. I just couldnt be bothered to correct it. To invalidate an opinion because the spelling is off is the type of argumentation i expect from a child. If people like this game thats totally fine, i just dont get why.
There's nostalgia but unfortunately the remake series is very different from the original, story-wise and tonally. It's like the remake series is wearing the skin suit of the original game. The characters in the original weren't anime cringe and the journey they went on was serious. The remake has turned every character into a silly idiot.
“The remake has turned every character into a silly idiot.” Is your memory okay? Most of the comedy is straight from the original game. What about Tifa’s slap fight with Scarlet? Cloud dressing up as a woman? Red 13 dressing up a soldier? All “anime cringe” that was in the original. The original was NOT a serious game throughout. Yours is an easy argument to debunk.
Despite the misuse of the word 'filler' this was a good comparison! There's a lot of little things that could be added, which is no surprise in a game this size, but the most notable one for me is Cloud's character, especially by the end of the game. The remakes are exploring his trauma and personality dissonance in much more depth than the original did/could. So we're getting a lot more set up for when his manipulation at the hands of Sephiroth hits its peak. He wasn't remotely self-aware about his mind control at the Temple of the Ancients, unlike the original, which I think was setting up for some of the differences in the game's ending here. And in that ending, he isn't resolutely moving forward with the support of his party in the wake of Aerith's death like in the original. He's (perhaps somewhat literally) stuck in his own little world where Aerith is fine and in doing so, especially after the Temple, is starting to lose the trust of Barret and Tifa. Ultimately I think the same way about the story changes that I did with Remake, which is that we're only going to know how good or bad this is when we actually see it pay off. I think people calling this all kinds of extremely negative conclusions in the wake of its ending are forgetting both this and the 95% of the game that was not only accurate to the original but expanded on it so well. It's the second game in a trilogy - a FF ttrilogy no less - it was never going to give us perfect closure. That's on the third game and there's definitely a lot riding on it. Still, we should hold of final judgements of the story until we see how it all links together. No sense criticising an unfinished story.
The two key moments that define this game (and potentially the entire trilogy) for me is Aeriths performance and the scene at the very end where her "spirit" see them off. The steps to go between those moments are complex and cryptic and questionably presented, but its amazing. They make the sequence so needlessly complicated, and yet it immediately brings a starker display about what Aeriths motivations are and what her sacrifice is for. Despite being one of my favorite FF iterations, FF7 is such a patchwork project that sells a rather contrived plot with vibes and art direction. Its paradoxically so technically boundary pushing and yet so derivative of the games that came before it, and one of the consequences is that they establish such great characters that get so few moments, and such awkward pacing. And the biggest victim of this is Aerith, a deep and complex character who unfortunately and ironic to her struggle, spends most of the game being motivation for other characters. This trilogy is about her, not specifically saving her because who knows where the hell this journey will end, but redeeming her. Letting the character behind so many 10 year olds first narative gut punch stand to scrutiny. I mean its also a messy and catastrophic attempt to make Before Crisis, Crisis Core, First Soldier/Evercrisis, Dirge of Cerberus, and Advent Children into one consistent canon, but thats beside the point. The bit where Cloud finds hes still in possession of the black materia and instinctually hides from the rest of the team is... Its just a cool set up. The entirety of the greater FF7 series does not know subtlety, even OG, and Im here for it. I will choose dumb and interesting over serious and reserved any fucking day of the week.
Watching this video was the final nail to the coffin for me. Rebirth looks amazing, sounds amazing and for the most part it is that without a doubt. However, the nonsensical story and fan fiction level of writing (the bad kind) is something I can't look past. The first part of the remake was great if not for the stench of manure that came from the story writing, it seems the same flaw is present here and even worse than before.
IMO Normora is fantastic at characters even if his world building is wacky. I just try not to get hung up on understanding the lore, but imo this game is simpler than his other stuff. You fight fate, shit gets wacky. Thats about it.
@@sacb0y Nomura is great with characters, that is for sure. His wacky and nonsensical writing style also fits something like Kingdom Hearts. However, whoever made the decision to put him in charge of the FF7 remake should be fired. I haven't seen story writing this bad since Game of Thrones season 8. Unfortunately his style and the fan fiction type changes don't belong in the story. FF7 story was already complicated, but the difference is that what was there before was great and what Nomura did is just flat out awful.
I disagree the story is bad. You just don't like that it's a sequel. You haven't seen the pay off to any of this to claim if it's bad or not. @@Kaboose666
@@sacb0y I have seen the pay off to both parts of the remake. The added parts are simply badly written and it clashes with the overall narrative. I'm more than open for change if its done well. There were a lot of parts in the games which were excellent additions, expand the world and explore the characters. Unfortunately the changes to the main story are lacking, jarring and out of place. I think it is telling how most of the reviews even point out that the games are great (which they are), but the story writing is flat out absurd.
Hmmmm~ yeah the ending seems way too convoluted and unnecessarily taking away the focus of the main plot of the original FF7. Also, at the end you said "the final chapter" so does that mean they are going to try to make only 1 more game to wrap up all this story & content? Aren't there 2 more discs in the original FF7 PS1 version? Good fucking luck doing that, if that's the case :\
I like the game I just beat it today. It was cool for me because a majority of the stuff in it was when I quit playing the original ps1 game (I thought it was too long) so it was new to me. I thought all the jumping around at the end was pretty confusing too. Overall a great game
I love the direction they have taken. From what I understand is closer to what the developers originally envisioned for the game but technology had its limits back then
During the 90s I was a child
During the 20s I am a physical adult who is also a child
That there could be my new channel bio
Me too
Dude went back in time
I still soil myself like I did back then
and in the 30s you'll be hamburger meat
It has some flaws, but Rebirth personifies exactly what it means when people say a game can be "magical" in my opinion. There were so many jaw dropping moments for me, like just walking around Cosmo Canyon and breathing in the atmosphere and music was a moment I'll never forget
100% correct. I had a huge smile on my face walking up to Cosmo Canyon
I agree, my only issue was the multiverse, different timelines none sense. I mean with Remake ending, I thought it was gonna be minor changes… or atkeast things would happen in a different way.
But they went straight for certain decisions characters may or may not make would create another new timeline. An I was left just confused as fuk at the end.
Everything else was gold tho 💯 gameplay open world mini games it was just when near the end when it got convoluted.
I started crying when the party landed in the cosmo canyon region, cried when I heard the cosmo canyon town theme too
I started crying when the party landed in the cosmo canyon region, cried when I heard the cosmo canyon town theme too
@@TheKira708I like the multi-verse addition
This plot isn't confusing at all
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I feel targeted
Well it’s not
It's not so much confusing as it is overly indulgent.
Youre an easy target!
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Honestly its not as convoluted. I still didlike what they did with some of the plotbeats but if they somehow tie in Dirge of cerebus then good
It’s been a while since a single player game caught my attention like this, I bought it expecting to play a little bit then go back to helldivers 2 before really getting into rebirth and damn…I can’t stop playing it lol
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Same dude. I had to study this weekend and I barely did, all I can think about is playing this game.
Helldivers is so lame
@theofficialzeldamaster6377 Genuine question, why do you think that?
Same exact thing happened to me 😂
I was playing helldivers everyday and loving it and then rebirth took over my life
I never played the OG but I can only imagine what it must feel like to play this as a kid, and then get to experience it like this in adulthood. Especially the environmental changes must be a real treat and incredibly nostalgic
yea its quite something. I think it make the remake a lot better have all the nostalgia to throwback on
Jaw dropping was my first reaction.
Visually, yeah no doubt;
everything else is a punch in the gut and a spit in the face.
I often wonder while playing how good the experience is if you didnt play the original. This game has endless subtle nods to the ps1 game in the form of OST, sidequests, npc interactions etc.
I think if I didn't have experience with the OG game it could seem a bit meh. But maybe that's because this format of open world game has been over-done since the mid 2010's for someone who has played games that entire time, such as myself
@@elChirrinChirriondelDiablolol you‘re a clown by nature💯
I find it hilarious that you got the doods for your date sequence.
For the Trials in Temple of the Ancients. I was expecting a boss fight for each character. I was gratefully surprised at what they did instead. What they did is so much better than what I was expecting!
The Aerith one was absolutely heartbreaking.
@@unvergebeneid Yes it was.
About the shinra Villa bit, there is a section where you must find the code to open the door.
As a 1990 ff7 veterinary with like 17 finished 100% runs (outside of materia grinding thanks to knights of the round) I tryed the og code on the door, imagine my surprise and laughter of pure joy wen it actually worked.
i thought that it was a homage to old fans but it turns out that they simply used the same code and you could find the code in shinra villa itself behind some boxes, feelsbadman
@@namo2403why isn’t it both? Reusing the old code is clearly an homage and fun wink towards old fans, but what, new players aren’t allowed to progress because they didn’t know the code from OG? I guess I’m not understanding why you’re disappointed by this.
I just did that in Majora's mask earlier today. I actually missed it but I was wrong by one number only.
@@namo2403
i know where you're coming from, they could have made 2 separate codes, a new one people had to find, and the OG one as well but with a smale suprise.
lmao i wondered and thought thats its sure the original code XDDDDD
As a near-40 year old man, I have to say I really like what they're doing with this Re Trilogy. If I can sum it up it's basically "same destination, different journey", and I find that fascinating. I love FFVII, it's my favorite, and I have faith in Part 3 after seeing this. It's not nearly as convoluted as people think (people also misunderstood Remake for the most part), just going unnecessarily hard into the whole narrative of FFVII. It's a love letter to FFVII basically, made for the fans, and to me, that's super awesome. They made me like these characters and this world even more than I already have. Not a replacement for the original, but a compliment to it basically.
Actually this portion answered a lot of questions for me. Which makes me want to get to the final game. I assume will be in 2027 for the 30th anniversary
Same. I'll be 37 in August. The OG is my favorite game. This one is topping it .
"Same destination, different journey" is a perfect description. I'm borrowing that XD
hahaha same dude i just think after that hard boss fight im gonna be to old for the real shit in 4-5 years probalby need to play it on easy then hahahaha
It’s totally a love letter to original fans. So many little moments that stick out and just make happy. Like when cloud does that dolphin ride to get up on the platform and you see him crack a little smile when he gets up there - like he secretly had fun with it.
In the original at those parts I always just imagined cloud being grumpy and ‘not interested’ - but I feel like how they show those little moments in the remakes really adds to these characters and their personalities. You can tell Square really made this a passion project/love letter.
Knowing what will happen does not prevent me from feeling sad for what happened
This is actually pretty easy to undertand, thanks to your summary. I haven't played the OG, so most of the time, I'm just going with the flow. With that being said, I still got hit pretty hard during that Aerith scene, and her looking at the Bronco flying away. I think they really did a good job with the characterization of the whole group, especially Aerith and Tifa, that it just hurts to see Tifa's reactions towards the end. And then there's Cloud. Completely mentally broken imo, and tbh, I really fear for the safety of the group with him in this condition. I have grown to love this cast of characters and I can't wait how it'll all turn out.
easy to understand? hell nah don't lie to yourself
@@patrolaclipagens I don't know man. With a little comprehension, it is. Maybe try to use your brain more? Or not, that is also fine.
@@erinacchi9122 using my brain to understand a videogame that is not gonna change shit in my life? nah you can have it, congratulations lol
@@patrolaclipagens Sorry if my comment triggered your lack of understanding and unwillingness to understand something you don't really care about. Maybe use your brain in the future and not buy games that might require thinking, because you know, games are traditionally required to use brain power? Lastly, you don't have to comment that someone else is joking that they understand something you yourself didn't put an effort into. Sorry if this was too much for your brain Have a good day. :)
@@erinacchi9122 lol calm down bro it's just a videogame, go watch some animes and eat cheetos or sum lol or even open a book so you can understand a videogame 😂😂😂
As a now 33 year-old who first played this "original" at 9 years old...i felt like this game did justice to the emotions i never thought a 9 year old could experience so early in life. I remember how i felt when i left midgar, when i reached the ranch, when i reached junon, when i crossed the ocean, and when i realized this game was more than any game i had ever played in my entire life (albeit 9 years).
This reimaging brings many of the same feelings i felt as that 9 year old. I've been telling many people who have their understandable beef with this game that i view the original as a novel, and we are just experiencing new adaptations.
If i want to play a full version of the original, then it's right there for me in thanks to the remastered version (my ps1 and ps2 broke when it came to playing cd-roms in high school. All i wanted was the ability to play the original) This is a wonderful adaptation to an even better overall story. Yes, i have my issues with the tone at times in rebirth, but overal, i love this game, I love this series, and i love the final fantasy IP. i do have my issues here and there, but to act as though the square brand needs to cater to me is selfish. Im an older fan now...make room for the new ones.
I can only hope they feel the same magic I felt as a child.
Same
I just beat the game and I played ff7 remake when I was 14,and I can only imagine the nostalgia you must have for this seris and I must say this is the most cared for game by its developers and I'm so proud of then entire team aside from whoever made the BS MINIGAMES
@@not_woozy I liked queens blood but good saucer games were meh
i am 3 years younger than ff7. the first ff i played was 9 when i was around 14 or so, and it was my favorite for a looonnng time; I played 7 but knowing most of the plot beats ahead of time i saw it as a great game but a tad overrated. however, the ad from japan that says ff7 is the memories you have with it is totally true. in the leadup to remake in 2020 it was on my radar but not a big deal since i didn't have a ps4, but a buddy at college who did was looking forward to it even though he had never played the original. when school locked down because of the pandemic and i went home, i convinced him to get the original on steam and stream it to the boys over discord where we could all watch together. eventually he beat it (getting bodied by a tonberry along the way) and when remake dropped I pulled up to his crib and we played the game on the couch. I remember being stunned by the attention to detail with the presentation of the game, down to the music and the way the cutscenes used the same camera angles as the original. it absolutely captivated my imagination in a way the original just didn't, and the ending had my brain whirring to see what would happen next. I have been waiting for rebirth ever since. fast forward to now and I bought a ps5 to play this game. because of some stuff in my personal life the themes about grief and memories have really resonated with me in a new way and I was every bit as captivated as it seems like people were in 1997 when this story was first told. the magic is most definitely still alive
Having never played either version of this game, hearing about and seeing snippets of these adventures in these diverse locations, it sounds really epic and magical.
Yeah. Of all the attempts Hollywood has made to nostalgia bate everyone. It pales in comparison to this. There is nothing else like it, but ff7 was my 1 game I completed fully in my life. So it especially hits hard for me. 😊
Having finally finished the game. This is one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. It took me 100 hours to finish the story and regions and I never felt myself getting burnt out. It is genuinely staggering the amount of content in this game, and it’s of such high quality too in terms of music and presentation. It makes Remake feel like the tutorial level.
I like that you're making this comparison in-depth videos between classic games and remasters/remakes, you should think about doing a series about this, it's good.
Sweet was waiting for someone to do this comparison, big thankyou
Great work man, it is great to see compassion side by side
6:34 Finally some new Super Mario Sunshine content.
There is starfox and mario kart stuff too.
I don't like anything about the remake milking.
One part I found interesting about the Final Fight was the way the First Phase with Jenova Lifebringer plays out. You start the fight with the sad theme playing and only 2 allies fighting with you, reminiscent to the OG fight where you could only have 3 people fight. However, no matter how fast you might take down Jenova's HP, she will always knock out your 2 allies from the fight.
When Jenova fires her lasers and rips a rift into the shadow your party rejoins you however their attitude doesn't match with how they should be feeling, they act more upbeat and jovial for a group who just saw one of their allies die. With that in mind, I think when the team comes back into the fight Cloud is actually fighting with the group where Aerith lived, hence they are fighting as if she is still alive.
Then when that phase ends Cloud disappears and I think he becomes the only one aware of the "Aerith Alive" reality, when we come back to Cloud's group later on I think that's the group from the Aerith's dead reality considering what Barret says at the start of the fight.
It was just an interesting observation I made when I was rewatching the scene, I don't think the fight is happening in a linear fashion, it is definitely switching between realities but I'm pretty sure we're also seeing our allies fight from 2 different realities.
There is also that strange disconnect when Cloud is with the group and Aerith wakes up, for some reason he's the only one left in the reality, which makes me wonder if during the 2nd phase of the Jenova Lifebringer fight, when the world is crumbling and they are jumping from platform to platform, the rest of the group ended up dying there. . . and Cloud was the only one to come out alive because he was the only one to go into the rift to save her, in which he's sent to fight Sephiroth but only awoken when Zack touches him.
It's definitely going to be interesting to see how they plan to roll things out when they start releasing teasers but man, 3-4 yrs before that is going to be such a pain.
I was really enjoying the video up until I got to the halfway point. I had to stop watching right where I am in the main scenario quests and will have to return later to see the rest. Great video! (I think?) 😂
Chicken side quest. That is the real divider between the fans, not the fluffs.
For real though, the side quests are the real gem of this game. I think it would be amiss to not mention the Gilgamesh quest line. But all other side quests are worth it, just Cloud having bonding time with his friends.
How is it dividing the fanbase never heard anything good on it and I can fully agree with it being horrible
That damn chicken side quest. On the last part that was miles away from the village, I was about to not do it 🤣
It's clear how much better than remake rebirth is when you look at what people are complaining about tbh...... In remake, the biggest complaints are entire chapters like the claw arm segment of chapter 8, the first and second sewer visit, the drum, etc. All long chapter problems.
In rebirth the biggest complaints I'm seeing are a couple skippable bad apples in the bunch of amazing side quests. Cloud not getting wet in water is one I saw a lot too. Rebirth is so amazing that the biggest most noticeable flaws are tiny unimportant things.... Of course people will complain about the story no matter what happens, but these are gameplay things.
I thought it couldn't be Gilgamesh at first.. Then I heard the music and.. it was Battle at the Big Bridge.
I'm on team "the chicken sidequest is the best quest" lol. You have to realise that the devs knew it was going to frustrate the fuck out of us, trolled us with that last chicken, then gave us that hilarious ending as pay off to appreciate it.
I DONT think Cloud is seeing a spirit form of Aerith.
I think he actually created a new timeline where she didn't die. If you go back and rewatch the moments after sephiroth's descending stab attack, it shows you his sword in the ground. Then it flashes quickly to another shot where you see the blood emerge. If you actually compare those two shots, they're 2 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. The sword is stuck in a different place in the ground AND at a completely different angle. To me that looks like they were showing us the 2 completely different outcomes of that event. It also explains why Cloud can see the tear in the sky but the others can't.
If that's what they're doing, it does seem like something which will naturally fit into Cloud's whole identity crisis that will happen quite soon into the third part.
It’s a spirit form cause red xiii senses her when she touches him😊
@@rexwest4532 That part makes sense in both theories though. We'd already seen examples of both Cloud and Aerith sensing Zack in the other timeline in different ways.
I feel like the answer is that Cloud saved her in a new timeline but she still died in the Prime one that we play. Cloud knows this and will want it thus making him succumb to Sephiroth's will ("Let us defy Destiny together.") but he will ultimately have to accept that in his world Aerith died. I think we are going to go through the five stages of grief - right now Cloud is in denial so he repressed certain parts of Aerith's death that we didn't see yet. The Sephiroth clones will lead him to anger but Sephiroth's plan will lead to bargaining. Falling for Sephiroth's tricks will lead to depression along with knowing that Sephiroth's plan will probably bring Aerith to an end in every world (as she's a thorn in his side) which will be part of him being comatose. Tifa helping him bring his mind back in the Lifestream will probably go further by helping him deal with all of his regrets and lead him to acceptance that the Aerith of his world is dead and they'll keep the timelines separated.
Aerith will probably go to other timelines and attempt to get stronger to stop Meteor where she will most likely reunite with Zack and some Cetra thing will teach her Great Gospel that she will use on Cloud for the final fight at the Edge of Creation that leads to Cloud using Omnislash (as Cloud is invincible in that moment - an effect Great Gospel has).
Everyone is thinking this has something to do with different timelines but they're all wrong. What is one of the overall themes of ff7 and its media? The fallibility of memory. At the end of Advent Children Sephiroth says "I will never be JUST a memory". What is the LifeStream? According to Remake it is the collective memory of the planet. The ancients could communicate with that and the arbiters of fate ensured that the memory (lifestream is everything that was and is and will be) stayed accurate. Sephiroths "remnant" is attempting to rewrite the planets memory for some reason (presumably his final victory over cloud) after the party defeats the arbiter which appears to be trying to contain sephiroth meddling (he appears to have some measure of control over them) and after his defeat he explodes into a mass of them. If you get the cutscene with Aerith in remake she tells cloud not to fall in love with her because "it isnt real".
What i am trying to say is that the entire remake trilogy is taking place IN the lifestream. Its the memory of the planet itself being corrupted and changed by sephiroth thats why aerith who is part ancient is partially aware of whats going on. Its also why the "other timelines" exist because its the plants memory fucking up from the changes being made after the arbiter is destroyed. @@writer_man5318
@@writer_man5318 interesting theory there. I think its Aerith is still around to help Cloud from falling apart. In Niebleheim, Cloud is concerned about his solder cells degrading and Tifa and Aerith are telling him that it won't happening. You see in Advent Children Cloud is living with the guilt of Aerith`s death. Aerith is still around to help Cloud and Tifa will help Cloud like she did in the OG. Where he accepts his real memories.
Why cant more youtube channels get straight to the point like bro did? I didnt hear any involuntary yapping. This is a great channel
The game does a lot of weird stuff, especially towards the end, but overall I’d say it was very solid and greatly expanded on the characters, which I’d say is one of the best things they could do. It won’t be everyone’s thing, but I’m totally for it
I agree its a phenomenal game, but calling the stuff towards the end weird must be the understatement of the century.
@@Flopdoodle yeah I guess you’re right, I’m more just curious now as to how much further into the craziness they’re going to go for part 3
@@captainpep3That's the same approach for KH story, the fans are mostly just waiting how crazier they can make the lore while being more hyped for the gameplay and i really don't like that this is what they made with FF7.
I like FF7R but at the same time i consider it inferior to the original since they really undermined what made it special (the themes, atmosphere and certain bits of the story that were worse on Remake due to the more Hollywood/Average Anime/KH approach they did on certain things) which is a shame since Remake is mostly better on everything, especially when it comes to the characters interactions and Gameplay, i really wish they never added the Whispers things and kept Sephiroth the way he was on the original only adding a *few* more than they did so far, or at very least, introduced him on Rebirth.
A 1:1 Story Remake with the gameplay changes could've easily been one of the best games of all time.
@@Zerorenren4761that not aged well Game from 1997 is better,yeah right.
@@stampoulisrafael5262It's my opinion, 1997 FF7 is in my opinion a better game because i like the narrative and visuals of it more, if it wasn't for the Remake's questionable choices when dealing with Sephiroth's character, Whispers and the endings, it would've been better than the original for me, unfortunately Rebirth's ending made me see the original as better unless on Part 3 they pull up a extremely well thought and incredible story which i really doubt, with that said, Gameplay wise and obviously graphics wise, Remake is way better than the original.
Played the PS1 version as a kid and loved remake and rebirth. There are definitely reasons I can see for people not liking the changes, but I know as a kid the death scene hit me hard, and with these multiverse changes I thought I knew the whole game to just expect the death, then for a moment they got me and I believed it had changed just to have it ripped away again and it hit me in the feelings again. I personally am a fan of time/multiverse shenanigans in stories, so the changes are something I love assuming things tie up in the end. too many loose ends could hurt the third game, but I'm hoping there is a vision in place to tie it all together. Given how much I felt like a 9 year old again exploring the world and seeing some of my favorite characters fleshed out, I'm willing to wait and see and just enjoy what we have now without worrying about future execution.
God this is so magical, thank you for uploading this. I legit felt like a young teen again playing this again.
I honestly love how they are doing everything. Like the ending has me so curious. Like does cloud even realize wtf is going on with him or is he so mentally shattered hes just going through the motions?
The OG will always be there and i still have fond memories from when i was a 6 year old experiencing it all for the first time. I am 100% on board with whatever comes next with this trilogy cause its just so new that its giving me the same dopamine i had playing as a child!
That’s the one part I love how Rebirth closed out showing to the audience and players in Chapter 13 how out of it and psychotic Cloud was becoming in the ancient temple and slowly and slowly not trusting himself which closes out good to question the players on him and his behavior especially at the credits scene with him putting the black materia in the buster sword making people wonder, hopefully they open it well towards the beginning of part 3 and accurate how Cloud tells the party and gang how he doesn’t trust himself and talks of Sephiroth controlling him and advising that he should hand over the black materia to either Barret or nanaki, it could play out so well
oh, I remember there was a set of videos that had the OG camera angles comparing FF VII Remake to the OG FF VII.
Good stuff. Also shows what amazing attention to detail the SquareEnix devs had for recreating the new environments.
Rebirth is such a massive game it’s hard to keep up with certain parts and set pieces they’ve given a glow up or changed around from the original, especially if you haven’t played the original in a while like me. I do respect you for calling out some filler parts as Remake had filler parts too such as making you go through the Midgar Sewers a second time, but all that aside I’m glad you were able to make this a decent length video for a huge game like Rebirth and explaining all the changes and comparisons.
Cloud is amazing. And so are your videos Flandrew
Gay. 🙂
What in the kingdom hearts is happening. 😮
Good one 👍
I am glad they were faithful to the original with one main element and that is my biggest memory from the original not being Knights of the Round Mimic or getting the Black chocobo and that fun racing mini game to do all the hard end game sidequests but actually one thing i loved even more was that snake in the marsh desert you have to use the chocobo because he is too hard to kill part at the very beginning of D2 TY for this great video comparison nice job sir!!
I really hope they do justice to what made the original so amazing to me and the reason i played it like 7 times all the stuff done and that is the addictive nature of the final few side quests to get the best materia yellow and red mostly
Have you tried the original version with the Satsuki Yakushi mod?
Aerith gives her life, not for honor, but for Cloooouuud!
SNAKE EATEEEER!
If Aerith is your date in chapter 7 … which gets interrupted … will she the date in chapter 12? Aerith was my goal because I view her as a much better character than Tifa.
@@BakesBread001 as much as I grown to love Aerith in the Remake project, I still team Tifa lol.
@@BakesBread001Well twelve days later lol but no it can change depending on the bond level. I'm pretty sure the date that gets interrupted can only be with Aerith or Tifa however the actual date can be between any party member except Cait Sith, if for whatever reason your relationship is low with everyone you get a different scene though imo it's not worth going for all the one on one's are better.
@@CrazyxEnigma yes I progressed to the date scene just today in chapter 12 and I kept Aerith. It was a nice scene. But in hindsight, it doesn’t matter who you get.
@@CrazyxEnigma now I’m on the Rufus Shinra battle. It’s rough.
so basically, alot like the first remake, is faithful till the last 2 hours and then goes flying off the rail and fucking explodes. god i love jrpgs
frfr. i heard a bunch of good stuff about xenoblade chronicles so i gave 2 a try but 5 hrs in it just wasnt cutting it for me, so i sold it to a buddy for a couple bucks and bought edibles lmao. later on bro tells me about the ending and im just like ????? lmaoooo
I never finished the original FFVIII, and I've been looking for a comparison video just like this. Thanks so much for making it.
Loved the original; one of my favorite games of all time.
Loved Remake and Rebirth, also one of my favorite games of all time! I’m here for the ride and to see where we end up. We will always have the original so I’m glad they are taking liberties with the remake.
The wait for the third part in the remake will be brutal!
I've played ff7 original recently and I love it
I like how tgey fleshed out the charcters in the new games
I loved how you recapped the OG in this :)
I'd love a video of what happens next in the OG, since I can't remember and it's been 20+ years since I played.
That would get me excited for the next game. Feel free to guess how they'll reinterpret this in the next remake title.
Played and have the OG. Now I just need to get the Rebirth and tons of hours to play it. Looks amazing.
This is the first video I've seen where someone finally seems to have understood that Aerith died, other videos I've seen people don't understand or believe that he is seeing Aerith from another dimension, maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me, it seemed clear that Aerith actually died, but Cloud, who never had the sanest mind in the world, did not accept her death and believes that he managed to save her.
You didnt understand what really happenned but its not your fault but games.
My man Cloud covered the trauma of Zack dying by erasing his death from memory and thinking he is him, I’m pretty sure having another huge trauma of Aerith dying would make him severely in denial and likewise erase any memory of her dying and thinking she just left the group at the end of the game
@@mimbaoJH Cloud Strife, the king of coping mechanisms.
FFVII: Afterbirth
Final Boss : JENOVA ~ Placenta
FFVII: Afterbirth+
@@aaronhussey8522 FFVII: Repentance
cant wait for part 3, beat the game a few days ago and its sooo goood
Hey Flandrew this is a shot in the dark but I watched all your videos multiple times and that your voice is soothing thank you so much I hope you have a good week
Thank you
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As a game it’s absolutely a blast, best final fantasy in a long long time, handsdown. Despite some annoying flaws and performance issues. I dont say its a bad game at all because of those flaws. But As a reimagining of the og i have to say i had mixed feelings. Some things they changed a little too much, no boss battle theme from the og, and the very complicated ending tbat confuses people. Still a masterpiece tho
Womp womp
Rebirth is massive and expands upon 26+ years of storytelling
A masterpiece ❤
Far from it. It has the same problem Marvel has when it comes to ruining emotional scenes.
Visually and gameplay is amazing. Story however, and voiceovers 😬😬😵💫
Starting to play the OG game and soon to play rebirth, I just know it's going to be a amazing experience
I personally don't like multiverse stories when the different universes/timelines intersects and stuff. I feel it usually takes away the gravity and stake of any situation in the story because you get the feeling there's always a copout or solution in "another" timeline or universe.
I still like the game. It's fun and the side minigames really brought me back to the good old days of JRPGs in the early 2000s where the side stuff were fun. And I think the FF7 story is told much better in Rebirth than OG. But I feel the alternate timeline thing did not add anything to the story at all. It's so much more relatable when it's just a delusion in Cloud's head.
The remake is incredible! I can't get enough of rebirth!
ending was confusing af but its nomura so its expected 😅
the way they integrated cid i thought was genius though, have him show up and join the team but keep all of his story stuff til the next game loved it
open world filler i got sick of 3 assassins creeds ago but the world itself was beautifully done honestly not really any issues with this game it was done really well and made me super excited gor part 3 hopefully wont take as long to come put as rebirth
Love it, thank you for this video. FF7 was my first FF game. I was 16 years old. At first I wished the remakes were more like the original, but in order to make three seperate games with an ending story line to each, I think the developers came to the absolutely best conclusion so far. At least they can stick to the story line in the final game while still making sense of the two previous installments.
Just wanna say its *not* impossible to cross the swamp without a chocobo, its just stupidly hard and requires a lot of precision and luck lol
Will also say, I personally loved the ending, I got a lil confused with the reality jump at the end but I figured it out by the credits XD
I'm fully convinced that the whole alternate timeline, whispers subplot, is just a really convoluted way to force in a happy ending towards the finale of the third game while still "retelling" the og plot.
You wouldn’t be wrong.
Honestly I think thats where it's going too, and it's trying to sell you more on wanting that by making you relate to Aerith A LOT more. And I don't mind it too much.
@@sacb0y I think I would be more open to it if this was any other story besides FF7.
I think the fact I haven't played the original game since I was a kid makes me much more open to all this. I remember more midgar, and the third disk stuff than anything lol@@christianlopez707
I think those are red herrings.
There are still alot of questions left at the end of Rebirth but who knows, maybe most of them will be answered in part 3 when it eventually gets the Remake make over. I mean we were confused about the Zack and Biggs ending in the Remake until Rebirth answered that with the introduction of a newly created multiverse. Maybe it’ll all come together in the final part.
Being able to experience the world and story like this was one of the most amazing video game experiences in my life. I never would have imagined that I'd see such a thing like this happen. Nearly everything was just how i would have wanted it to be. My only true complaint was everything that happened after the trials in the Temple. Things just carried on for too long and got weird. Aerith's death scene was a big miss for me, it was just taken over by Whsipers and then an overwhelming series of battles and multiverse stuff that by the time it's done it's just like, "oh yeah, Aerith died". She didn't even get to have the iconic funeral. We also didn't get to explore the Forgotten Capital. Nearly everything else in the game was fantastic, so it's hard to be too disappointed. The game took me 131 hours to finish and I had the best time seeing so many familiar places brought into a new life. This game really brought joy back into my life that I haven't felt in ages.
It sucks how Fort Condor is blocked from the game. It’s supposed to be happen between Junon and the Yuffie hunt. It sucks how you don’t to have let Yuffie tag along after the boss fight for her, because that’s completely removed! And Yuffie herself shows up in Junon.
It blows me away that both voices of Nanaki are the same voice actor O_O
AI dude AI just kidding idk i just heard rumors... hope it was real voice acted still
@@ZeroXTRLit 100% was the same guy wtf who even started spreading AI rumors, pretty sure max woulda spoken up about it by now if so
Max Mittleman, Red XIII’s voice actor, just has range. On one hand, you have the old and wise voice that we got used to for Red. On the other hand, when you reach Cosmo Canyon, you have Red turn into Ryuji Sakamoto from Persona 5.
Only played the original after finishing Remake, wanted to know where the story would be going. It was fun to see the differences, like some sort of reverse nostalgia. I've had a blast with Rebirth, but I do find the ending a bit confusing. I hope it'll all make sense in the 3rd game, with a satisfying conclusion.
i personally liked the ending but it def could have been fleshed out a little bit. wasn't a huge fan of constantly flipping between is aerith dead or alive but it also kinda makes sense why they did it. it seemed like it was showing the point when cloud can start seeing multiple worlds thanks to both aerith and sephiroths influence. also i am so glad i switched to the buster sword for the final fight, seeing zack and cloud both use it was cool af!
I think the marsh Zolom moment in the og game was one of the most memorable moment in the entire game
It served 3 important purposes, 1st it was the game’s way to tell us ok now you are out in the open world, shit is wild and you may stumble onto ennemies much stronger than you so be careful where you step into
2nd, it was also a testimony of Sephiroth’s strength (which we still didn’t know much about at this point in the og game)
We’ve been warned about this extremely dangerous and powerful snake, and when we see it for the 1st time, it’s been completely annihilated by Sephiroth, seemingly effortlessly , which really made you feel how strong and terrifying Sephiroth was
And finally, later in the game after dozens of hours when you came back to the marshes and finally fought the snake, you actually wiped it out like it was nothing, and it really made you feel like so much had happened since you first were here, and you could really feel how strong you got and how long the journey has been, which really was a powerful feeling
Unfortunately the Rebirth sequence does none of that, and make it look and feel like your average action packed boss fight
(I loved the game though)
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Yep however given the party has already fought Sephiroth in the Remake timeline the way of building up Sephiroth into a threat the original did is pointless to repeat.
However they could've done a better job with what ended up happening imo.
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Sure, but that was not my point
I did not advocate for Rebirth to redo the same sequence, I just pointed out that what an iconic scene in the og game was now a fairly average scene in Rebirth, that’s not the same thing
I disagree. In the original, the snake was a threat because you'd lose if you tried to fight it. In Rebirth, you fight it... and the party loses. You can't beat it. Like, Cloud is actually going to die. So it still does that.
Point 2 you mention seeing the snake completely annihilated by Sephiroth effortlessly - again, that happens in Rebirth and you literally see how effortless it is for him. So it still does that.
The only thing the game doesn't do is let you go back and fight it later, but it's entirely possible they'll put that in part 3. So it still does 2/3 of the purposes you mention, and might do the third later.
Man, we really got tricked into getting Rick Roll'd in 2024...well played.
I personally am enjoying the whole thing of being generally the same as the original but also expanded with some differences. I think the divergence from the original is a large part of why i was legitimately surprised at aeriths cetra alter scene in rebirth. FF 7 wasnt a part of my childhood but having played the original, crisis core reunion, remake and rebirth all for the first time as a 23 year old i think this is a good way to do a remake when the original is a completly different gameplay genre and is also equally (or honestly more) available other than pricing debates. It also does a lot to in my eyes make it look like final fantasy is celebrating its past but not stuck and dragged down by it.
Love your videos, but I have to wait to watch this until after I beat rebirth... would could take months 😅
I have a relatively low tolerance for overly complex twists upon twists that are kind of standard fare in JRPGs. I think FFVII is a powerful story that is kind of archetypal and I don't know that it is enhanced by all of this extra. That said, its beautiful and obviously done with a lot of love.
I think whats most important at the end of the day is despite how much insane shit happened in the last hour or whatever even, we still end in the same place, dunno what the eventual end result will be of all the multiple worlds stuff, and how they'll even find time to explore all of it while also staying on the main normal path of things, but regardless of any changes or flashes to other outcomes and possibilities, we will still start part 3 in a world where aerith is gone for us, even if there's a version of the events and a world where she did get to live, its not the one we will live in, I think they just did all that just to show people that in someway shape or form in another life, she lived
I'm one of those people who liked the ending. But my interpretation of it is different, I haven't watched any explanation videos yet. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
In that scene where he explains things he mentions that when fate is changed realities are split. His plan was to converge those realities to one. But then it became a question on if saving aerith or letting her die was good for the planet or not. I'm gonna say saving her would have helped. But letting her die would have aligned the realities and given sephiroth a chance to try things again and succeed completely with all the parameters familiar.
But instead it seems like cloud succeeded in saving aerith, so in the end there's no convergence of the realities. There's a reality where he fails, which is what we see mainly and it seems like what sephiroth intended for after he fails is still happening (which is why he's acting weird, and has the black materia), and a reality where he succeeded, and zack is alive cause it's not fixed.
In short, sephiroth (or maybe Aerith) is fucking with fate, and it's causing a lot of fuckery. And cloud managing to save aerith at least in one reality means the fuckery is not over.
So you traded a poignant and emotional character-moment for a theory-crafting session. Whoop-de-doo, is SE's Marketing Department going to Love Yoouuu.
@@Flopdoodle Nothing was traded, the OG was a masterpiece for its time and still holds up well. The "Remake" made it clear that they will reimagine the story and not just retell it, so nothing is safe. And honestly I love that approach, the original doesn't run away and the Remake trilogy is finally telling a new story which makes the games way more worth imo. It's way better straight up saying that they change a lot instead of just getting hate and complaints because a scene wasn't as truthful to the original as it could be.
@@FlopdoodleI don't see how this argument is valid when Aerith still died.
Thats the thing though, if you play the game it makes a concentrated effort to make you relate to Aerith a lot more. The game knows you know she's going to die and hell even tells you out right multiple times. And that's probably one of the most significant story beats to people outside the ending itself.
It IS an emotional moment, it all has a lot of build up. It's a lot less okay that she dies. And that mentality is echoed in the conclusion of this.
I don't know where they're going to take it, but it's a plot thats not trying to sell you on surprises you already know. And I enjoy that a lot.
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IMO I probably wouldn't enjoy the game as much if i knew exactly everything that was going to happen. I bought crisis core and skipped it cause it's just the same game but zack's VA doesn't fit near as well lmao. I can just enjoy myself having this be so unique.@@natsudragniel7466
If you're confused, just remember that this is the same company that brought you Kingdom Hearts
For a next video can I suggest comparing versions of Sims 2? I know they also created different games for each console, and I particularly the NDS version being known because it was really strange and had a mysterious vibe
"No promises await at journey's end" is pretty fitting for the ending of part 2. Part 1 and now even part 2 have made it clear we don't want to tell the old classic we will reimagine it. Nothing will be safe or sure. Aerith literally died at the end, yet she also didn't die. Zack died in 1 more reality, while he's taking his fate in his hand in the other reality and again in another reality he meets Sephiroth In front of the church, while Aerith is pushing cloud through the rift. Aerith will live in Part 3, but probably won't be in the main universe we're playing and maybe all universes will have a reunion with the outcome of all characters surviving or even all characters dying. Zack also shouts to Cloud to save Aerith which would make no sense, if they just killed her off for good right afterwards.
What a convoluted mess! Sad to see they're butchering a classic.
Yeah, they have been butchering a classic for two parts now and it will probably get even worse in the third part. It is such a shame and waste of potential.
Its also a means of keeping you engaged in the narrative despite already knowing how it plays out
@@loto7197 Bad writing has turned away a lot of players, so I wouldn't say it is engaging.
Square should have taken inspiration from Capcom. The remakes of the Resident Evil games are great, they change some of the events but do it with respect, they expand the world and add new story elements to it, yet they serve the story well and fit in. Unfortunately what they have done with FF7 remakes is the complete opposite.
All this shows is they’ve turned FF7 into a theme park with nostalgia bait rides in between the story bits. It’s not impossible to adapt a story with new ideas and new directions, just look at the differences between Lynch and Villeneuve’s Dune films. The problem is I think Square Enix feels like they know better, like how modern Disney feels like their films are more profound than they really are. Doing something new is fine, but after a point it feels more like the original is being mocked or parodied rather than adapted.
One of the most disappointing things about Remake/Rebirth was that they couldn't leave quiet moments as just that; they always had to turn everything into some grandiose event. I'm also pissed they cut Bone Village completely and didn't let you explore Forgotten Capital.
Not exploring Forgotten Capital was a huge blow to my enjoyment of the game 😢
@@bradyanderson1229Seriously! How the hell are they going to do the return to the Forgotten Capital with the Key to the Ancients?
They might still add it in part 3. I'm pretty sure we should've been able to go to Wutai aswell, and they confirmed we'd be able to in part 3 instead. Iirc
Part 3 has the potential to be equally as massive as Rebirth so I'm hoping so
@@Klearith You talking about Bone Village or Forgotten Capital? In the original game you go back to Forgotten Capital with Bugenhagen to use the Key to the Ancients so I'm not sure how they're going to do that with it being destroyed. As far as Bone Village goes, I'm hoping they use it as a means of getting into the Ancient Forest at least
Great video. Love this! 💙❤️
In the end of the game, we're shown 5 different timelines. Most of which aren't really that important, but are shown more so as an example of what Sepheroth is talking about when he explains timelines branching apart and eventually converging. Each timeline is distinct by it's breed of dog the Shinra propaganda dog is.
The timelines we see are as follows.
*Beagle Stamp* - The prime timeline that the main party exist in.
*Terrier Stamp* - The timeline where Zack is displaced into the end of Remake and rescues Aerith and Cloud. This Zack ultimately goes up Shinra tower.
*Pug Stamp* - Instead of going up Shinra tower, Zack goes to see Biggs at Reactor 6.
*Shiba Stamp* - Zack is indecisive and instead goes to the church where he encounters Sephiroth. This is the Zack who tumbles into the lifestream and finds his way into the prime timeline to fight alongside Cloud.
*Collie Stamp* - A version of Zack's timeline where Aerith and Cloud from the prime timeline manifest and go on a date in Sector 6.
5 timelines in total. But ultimately the Zack we fight alongside is the Shiba timeline version.
Idk, I don’t see a lot of people who have a problem with this game other than the performance mode being blurry, but at the same time they can very small but vocal to the point where they act like they know how to develop a game or that they know what is best for a brand they didn’t even make. My point is that they did such an excellent job with rebirth and I would go as far as to say that this the best final fantasy game/also JRPG ever, and a lot of other people agree. I would just hate to see false or unnecessary criticism being sent to the developers and not having the next game be as large in scale because of the small but very vocal problems people may have about the open world or story. I’ve seen this happen where unnecessary criticism was being provided and so by the next game they scrap everything good and fun all together. I’m not saying the game is perfect because there’s always room for improvement, nor am I worshipping them as if they can do nothing wrong. I just love how they made this game is all and don’t want the next game to be downgraded from rebirth. The problems I have aren’t criticisms, they are just nitpicks that I have with the game because it’s just me being me 💀. Nitpicking in my opinion, isn’t criticism. I know I’m probably going to get grilled regardless.
Honestly if you wanna hear some genuine criticism from someone who still loved the game I got one word for you: Chadley 💀 like I'm sorry but I liked him so much more when he was just a lil side thing for materia and had some goofy one off lines that were actually kinda funny sometimes, but on hear just think about how many lines he has where they coulda had the party interacting more instead, like I don't wanna hear chadley yapping about 32 lifesprings or towers when we could have things in the open world that call for more interaction and banter between the cast we actually care about, I loved all the sidequests cus they're exactly that, but I really hope we can get less chadley in the next one, especially if the world is gonna be in a doomsday event after a certain point I don't wanna hear his little goofy music in every town when I run past and have him being all cheery and silly about world intel, they can keep him around but please tone it down yknow 💀
@@SSlash Chadley can go piss himself 💀😂
Rebirth (and Remake) are way more faithful than people give them credit for. Many of the "changes" are just expansions on the original that only add, not contradict. The few changes that are actual changes seem to mostly affect just an alternate reality. The overall plot and events of both remake games are still mostly identical to the original, just with huge over-the-top endings stitched on to make them feel like full games.
True though, and however it ends up being in the end of all things, I think the multiple worlds angle is just to give people who want to see certain characters alive a way to be able to SEE that in canon, while also having the main timeline still hit all the same beats, there's something to be said about how much budget is being used for that stuff that could be used elsewhere, but still lol
they're not
just cause they go to the same location doesn't mean they're faithful, that's just nostalgia baiting
the reality is they are not even faithful in the slightest due to all the changes
story is completely different, pacing of events is scattered, the open areas are meaningless and better off gone
open world padding
changes to resolution of character arcs (more to Barret's friend than anything) devaluing the moment entirely - from a somber goodbye to a needless "sacrifice" that was never needed
stop eating up slop
@@marcusclark1339 say you didn’t play the game without saying you played the game
I was quite simply blown away by this game and had soooo much fun with it, the only part I was not as impressed with was the final hour or so where it did have me rolling my eyes at how many phases I had to beat of a character I didn’t feel like I should be fighting yet.
Oh my god this is magical, bringing up feelings of nostalgia from childhood. I need to quickly save up the money for a PS5 and get this game pronto!
The OG FF7 has a very straight forward story and I think that’s part of the reason why it did better than most final fantasy. We’re not here for multiverses, back to the future or avengers. Overall, it’s still better than none.
FF7s story was straight forward?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@@oldsaddad7274 yup terrorist tree huggers fight a corporation to save planet, encountered a real planet threat, Seperoth cause he’s literally gonna destroy the planet with meteor. Party stops Seperoth saves the day. Planet lives as red 13 runs with his kids 500 years later planet filled with lush and life. Yup straight forward. No multivers, no multiple time line, no multiple clouds, no multiple white and black materias. Don’t need 20 ending interpretation videos on social media.
Not straight forward per se, but you're 100% correct regarding the silly multiverse convoluted plot they've adopted for these remake games.
Costa Del Sol is the name of 2 real beaches one in Spain and the other in El Salvador.
Man, I love these games so goddamn much.
I really hope Part 3 of the Remake won't take more than 3 years to release, it's so close at getting completed.
It would be so sick if they can do 7/7/27 but I doubt just a little over 3 years is enough, as much as I wanna say they can reuse a lotta the same maps, I don't think most of it will be 1-1 anyways, even if some town layouts should and will stay the same, cus especially if they have to make the highwind be playable, there's gonna need to be some serious tweaking to how the areas really connect, and I doubt we can just land it anywhere flat so there will be dedicated landing pads or something
@@SSlash itll probably be like the docks for the tiny bronco in rebirth
7 remake and 7 rebirth are a great example of how a Final Fantasy game should be. They both have the same charme as the older games from the golden era. Something they have lost in 15 and 16.
Maybe bc 7rebirth and remake are readaptation of those old FF you're refering to
I beat the original FF7 and still had no idea what was going on in Rebirth. It’s amazing how such a beautiful, well-made game can have the worst, most unfollowable story in gaming.
It’s not that hard to understand atleast to me, this story is very simple in the grand scale of things. Kingdom hearts is way more convoluted imo.
@@popeyeschicken3535it's not hard to understand but it's just a bad FanFiction throw into the original's good story, most of the "changes" end up on the same place as the original or are red herrings with extra fluff.
lmao worst story. Stfu
I love that game but HATE the filler
Thats why they shouldnt have split it into 3 games. They could have still fleshed out and expanded on things that matter without adding all the unecessary filler if it was just one game. This way they have to force fillers to make the games articifially longer
No Rocket Town... Shinra shooting down the Tiny Bronco was like my favorite part of the game.
I was born in 1997 and my uncle played this while I watch in early 2000s. Playstation played a huge part in my child and I'm playing this again as a 26 yr old working adult, child at heart
Here's the difference. OG ff7 was deigned specifically to try to introduce jrpgs to western culture just like Final fantasy mystic quest (which failed). In order to appeal to as many people as possible, the story had to be as simple and easy as possible (a.k.a final fantasy for dummies 2.0) so that anyone could finish the game. This is why they added bonus content like knights of the round and ruby/emerald weapons. Rebirth didn't have to the same job as the original, so why make it the same?
I loved rebirth. But I have rarely been so pissed off in my life than when I saw the ending: the original scene was a master class, the rebirth ending is just... WTF? I only felt anger, frustration and being completly lost. she alive! no she's dead, oh wait she's alive! no she's dead... WTF is going on?!?!?! They completly lost the emotional impact of the original, and made it way too complecated than it needed to be.
I agree, I absolutely loved this game but the Aerith's fate was not handled well, and I see what they were going for, they just made it confusing by making her seem alive multiple times as she was dying, which is a shame but at the end of the day this game is still just so good.
A classic case of 'Less is more'.
The irony is that in adding more things to the story, they've actually taken away from it.
I prefer Aerith to be alive instead of dead.
@@blazin_sky we'd prefer the Titanic to be here instead of sunk but that's not it's story
I think that's to deliberately leave you guessing and anticipate the third game.
Can't really judge the story or game properly until you've played through the series.
@Flandrew I genuinely laughed so hard when you asked the question who is stalking the vending machines in the hidden Temple😂
8:42 "Final Fantasy Xtreme beach Volleyball"
Nice comparison!
"Overly-Convoluted". Thats how you summarize FF7 Remake in a Single Word. 🙂
Anyone who hates the ending doesnt fully understand what SE is doing. Simple as that. This was an absolute masterpiece
It sucks
I didn't hate the ending and still don't understand what they're doing exactly lol. It seems to me they're keeping it vague on purpose to get people talking and theorizing about it which if that's the goal they succeeded.
Me personally I read it as Cloud being more fragile than he was in the original game has wiped the memory of her dieing from his mind in order to cope and now she's a mental figment of his imagination but given all the different timeline stuff going on maybe I'm wrong🤷 won't know for sure until part 3.
@@majesticmagpie4108 you suck
The swamp isn't impossible to cross. Not only can Zolom be defeated at lower levels than intended but if you time it right you can run right past it without a chocobo
As someone who played the OG as a kid, I love these new games. I will say I did get incredibly annoyed in sections of Rebirth (and remake) that were clearly there just to pad out game time. I would rather get the point, and have a shorter game, than do nonsense task that feel like a chore. But what makes me love the game is the story and camaraderie with you and your friends. It's easy to immerse yourself in this world and get attached to the characters, just like you do with people in reality. I found myself making certain choices with game characters just because I wanted the best outcome for them (just like I would with real friends). I kept reminding myself that how I treated people in game didn't actually matter because these are not real people haha. All in all I had a great time minus the filler tasks, and I am really looking forward to part 3. For those of you upset about the story changes, I would say you just need to look at this as a different game. Think of it as a "what if" game. If you still don't enjoy the game after separating this from the og, then you just don't like the game and that's ok!
I never played the old ff7 but the new Rebirth is so Off pace and heavy-handed in its writing that i dont get why ppl Hype it Up so much.
I watched a steeamers playthrough and, while it Looks very pretty, 80% of what you do is completly irrelevant to the Plot. "The World is dying, saphiroth must be stopped, ahinra tries to kill us, lets Go on a vacation.... TWICE!!"
And im srsly sad about that because cloud and aerith and berret are genuinly interisting characters if they stop expositioning every little thing for 5minutes and follow the actual plot.
I really dont get why there are sooo many minigames. It felt more like wario micro games than an actual rpg.
And dont get me startet on the andriod dude (i forgot his name). He is so completly out of place its not even funny.
If you want people to take your opinion seriously, learning to spell would probably be a good first step.
@@ryanredd4552 The spelling is a bit off...but the opinion is spot on!
@@ryanredd4552 i typed the comment in between chores and was a bit fast with it i noticed myself. I just couldnt be bothered to correct it.
To invalidate an opinion because the spelling is off is the type of argumentation i expect from a child.
If people like this game thats totally fine, i just dont get why.
There's nostalgia but unfortunately the remake series is very different from the original, story-wise and tonally. It's like the remake series is wearing the skin suit of the original game.
The characters in the original weren't anime cringe and the journey they went on was serious. The remake has turned every character into a silly idiot.
Yes because of ff7 was so serious and had zero levity
@@kei7540"ff7 was so serious and had zero levity"
Who said that? Strawmanning what I said isn't an argument.
“The remake has turned every character into a silly idiot.”
Is your memory okay? Most of the comedy is straight from the original game.
What about Tifa’s slap fight with Scarlet?
Cloud dressing up as a woman?
Red 13 dressing up a soldier?
All “anime cringe” that was in the original.
The original was NOT a serious game throughout.
Yours is an easy argument to debunk.
@@amuroray9115 For real the og didn't get dark and serious until the northern crater but soon after it goes back to a lighter tone again
Despite the misuse of the word 'filler' this was a good comparison! There's a lot of little things that could be added, which is no surprise in a game this size, but the most notable one for me is Cloud's character, especially by the end of the game. The remakes are exploring his trauma and personality dissonance in much more depth than the original did/could. So we're getting a lot more set up for when his manipulation at the hands of Sephiroth hits its peak. He wasn't remotely self-aware about his mind control at the Temple of the Ancients, unlike the original, which I think was setting up for some of the differences in the game's ending here. And in that ending, he isn't resolutely moving forward with the support of his party in the wake of Aerith's death like in the original. He's (perhaps somewhat literally) stuck in his own little world where Aerith is fine and in doing so, especially after the Temple, is starting to lose the trust of Barret and Tifa.
Ultimately I think the same way about the story changes that I did with Remake, which is that we're only going to know how good or bad this is when we actually see it pay off. I think people calling this all kinds of extremely negative conclusions in the wake of its ending are forgetting both this and the 95% of the game that was not only accurate to the original but expanded on it so well. It's the second game in a trilogy - a FF ttrilogy no less - it was never going to give us perfect closure. That's on the third game and there's definitely a lot riding on it. Still, we should hold of final judgements of the story until we see how it all links together. No sense criticising an unfinished story.
The two key moments that define this game (and potentially the entire trilogy) for me is Aeriths performance and the scene at the very end where her "spirit" see them off. The steps to go between those moments are complex and cryptic and questionably presented, but its amazing. They make the sequence so needlessly complicated, and yet it immediately brings a starker display about what Aeriths motivations are and what her sacrifice is for.
Despite being one of my favorite FF iterations, FF7 is such a patchwork project that sells a rather contrived plot with vibes and art direction. Its paradoxically so technically boundary pushing and yet so derivative of the games that came before it, and one of the consequences is that they establish such great characters that get so few moments, and such awkward pacing. And the biggest victim of this is Aerith, a deep and complex character who unfortunately and ironic to her struggle, spends most of the game being motivation for other characters. This trilogy is about her, not specifically saving her because who knows where the hell this journey will end, but redeeming her. Letting the character behind so many 10 year olds first narative gut punch stand to scrutiny.
I mean its also a messy and catastrophic attempt to make Before Crisis, Crisis Core, First Soldier/Evercrisis, Dirge of Cerberus, and Advent Children into one consistent canon, but thats beside the point.
The bit where Cloud finds hes still in possession of the black materia and instinctually hides from the rest of the team is... Its just a cool set up. The entirety of the greater FF7 series does not know subtlety, even OG, and Im here for it.
I will choose dumb and interesting over serious and reserved any fucking day of the week.
Watching this video was the final nail to the coffin for me. Rebirth looks amazing, sounds amazing and for the most part it is that without a doubt. However, the nonsensical story and fan fiction level of writing (the bad kind) is something I can't look past. The first part of the remake was great if not for the stench of manure that came from the story writing, it seems the same flaw is present here and even worse than before.
IMO Normora is fantastic at characters even if his world building is wacky. I just try not to get hung up on understanding the lore, but imo this game is simpler than his other stuff. You fight fate, shit gets wacky. Thats about it.
@@sacb0y Nomura is great with characters, that is for sure. His wacky and nonsensical writing style also fits something like Kingdom Hearts. However, whoever made the decision to put him in charge of the FF7 remake should be fired. I haven't seen story writing this bad since Game of Thrones season 8. Unfortunately his style and the fan fiction type changes don't belong in the story. FF7 story was already complicated, but the difference is that what was there before was great and what Nomura did is just flat out awful.
I disagree the story is bad. You just don't like that it's a sequel. You haven't seen the pay off to any of this to claim if it's bad or not. @@Kaboose666
@@sacb0y I have seen the pay off to both parts of the remake. The added parts are simply badly written and it clashes with the overall narrative.
I'm more than open for change if its done well. There were a lot of parts in the games which were excellent additions, expand the world and explore the characters. Unfortunately the changes to the main story are lacking, jarring and out of place. I think it is telling how most of the reviews even point out that the games are great (which they are), but the story writing is flat out absurd.
@@Kaboose666 You mean you watched some cut scenes online and didn't play the actual game to see the scenes in context?
Hmmmm~ yeah the ending seems way too convoluted and unnecessarily taking away the focus of the main plot of the original FF7. Also, at the end you said "the final chapter" so does that mean they are going to try to make only 1 more game to wrap up all this story & content? Aren't there 2 more discs in the original FF7 PS1 version? Good fucking luck doing that, if that's the case :\
I like the game I just beat it today. It was cool for me because a majority of the stuff in it was when I quit playing the original ps1 game (I thought it was too long) so it was new to me. I thought all the jumping around at the end was pretty confusing too. Overall a great game
I love the direction they have taken. From what I understand is closer to what the developers originally envisioned for the game but technology had its limits back then