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Vitamin D: The evidence for higher doses with Dr Michael Holick
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2019
- Originally recorded 2014
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For more than a century, scientists have recognised that Vitamin D3 is involved in bone health. The latest research, however, shows that Vitamin D3 deficiency is linked to a range of other health conditions such as depression, back pain, cancer, both insulin resistance and pre-eclampsia during pregnancy, impaired immunity and macular degeneration. While it is clear that a large percentage of individuals are deficient, what is also becoming apparent is that our previous understanding of adequate dosing is way off the mark. In this FX Medicine podcast Professor Michael Holick is interviewed on the latest evidence in support of higher dosing of vitamin D and the most recently identified health implications for deficiency.
I think vitamin D is a wonder drug. I take 35,000 IU every day, and my health is better than ever. I feel great and have more energy and a reduced appetite. I have lost 10 pounds.
35,000 daily, i didn't think that was safe to take large amounts daily, I'm on 40,000 but only once a week.
I want to take more myself i find it more effective but don't want to overdose
@@revert2islam2005 I can't find any real evidence except for warnings about vitamin D toxicity. I learned that it's very hard to get in trouble by taking too much vitamin D. Massive doses of vitamin D3 can cause magnesium deficiency, but if you take magnesium too it's almost never a problem, and vitamin D can cause blood calcium levels to go up, but I found out that it is pretty rare, and can be mitigated by taking vitamin K2 at the same time, and that is what I do, take magnesium and K2 with my high dose vitamin D.
Make sure to take 200mcg of K2 for every 10k IU of D3 to avoid toxicity (too much free calcium)
@@revert2islam2005 yes its safe. AS LONG as you take magnesium and vitamin K2 with those high amounts. 😎
I'm taking daily 40,000 vitamin D. Vitamin K2. M4 -MK1500mcg. K2 - MK -7. 300 mcg. Boron 12mg. Zinc 90 mg. Carotene complex vitamin A 3000mcg. Magnesium. 1500 mg. Vitamin B5. B6. Quercetin. Selenium. Vitamin C. Turmeric. Cod liver oil. Melatonin
Gee whiz I could never ever afford a quarter of that. Just 4 would push me out of my budget. How do you afford that.
@@wellinever1558 That all costs about $5 a day so it may be worth checking it out
@wellinever1558 most important magn glycinate, d3, k2mk7, no much!
@@danaking3592what?? Did you mean TO much?? Or…
@@george.s.8491TOO much.
Normally i take 20 000IU daily and feel great, tired 300 000IU once per teo weeks felt amazing,super calm no worries at all ,will take it as long as i am alive
Crazy
Same here! 20.000iu ED and 100.000 every Sunday
It's cool. Low dose prevents rickets and high doses turn genes on and off!
At 69, I have been taking 10,000iu Vit D3 since the COVID 19 started - no issues. I am fit and exercises with MEDIUM INTENSITY Interval TRAINING at about 25 minutes (5 minutes of exercise with 20 minutes interval rest of 2 minutes per interval) every day.
I have been watching Vit D videos and reading up on the subject for more than 15 years. The science has changed somewhat as the research comes in. At this point I think that anyone thinking about taking Vit D get tested first. If you are under 40ng then and you want fast results of say 3 months rather than 6 months, start with a dose of 50K IU plus Vit K2. Do this for two or three days. This is a loading dose to bring you up to speed quickly. Then do a daily dose of 10K IU plus Vit K2. Most of the good brands come with the K2 built in.
Get tested every two months. Adjust once you hit your target. My initial target was 50ng. I then went for 60ng. I see nothing wrong with getting up to 80 ng. Lifeguards are often at that level or higher. Some hit 100ng. The most common recommendation by doctors nowadays is to aim for 40ng to 60ng.
I gently tried to get a friend to try D3 in a higher dose for her polymyalgia but she prefers her steroids and her husband is a doctor so... he's sick too
Elsewhere, it has been recommended taking daily doses of vitamin D and not weekly and certainly not monthly doses. This is due to the fact while dihydroxyvitamin D that is measured in your blood has a half-life of 3 weeks, free vitamin D that is not attached to the dihydroxy molecule has a half life of only 1 day! And the free vitamin D goes directly to cells and is very important against infections. You lose much of the benefits of vitamin D when it is not taken every day.
This Dr. still seems conservative. Only 2000 IU per day?
I was impressed by this interview until the end when Dr. Holick said that he does NOT recommend standard testing for deficiency. How does that make ANY sense at all?
The whole interview was about how vital this hormone is to our health, all of the ways being deficient connects to illness, and the rampant deficiency across the world. Is the goal to help people or not?
Obviously people in general have no idea about anything discussed here. Why wouldn’t the doctor want to enlighten people and help make them well? Speaking from experience- you can be in great shape, eating very healthfully, have a deep tan from outdoor activities -and still be severely deficient in Vitamin D! Serious supplementation under a doctor’s care is vital. But you need to test your levels first! Makes NO SENSE.
I made an official proposal at my workplace to recommend and even pay for vitamin d testing. The idea being that healthier employees will have less sick leave and thus increase profit for the company - there should be an interest in that.
But obviously our company doctor is so convinced that vitamin d deficiency is not a problem that the idea was dismissed. In any case, it is documented, so when and if evidence emerge, at least I can say "I told you so". And what more do you really need. 😅
@Dennis O'Donnell...Initially my reaction was the same. I was surprised that Dr Holic would be saying that, so I had to listen again. However, the question Michael asked was, "should we be screening everyone?" Dr Holic's answer was, in general, "if there are other serious causes, then testing would be necessary". Then he gave the example of institutionalised patients. In their case, there are usually good reasons for testing.
However, generally requesting Vit D testing (screening) for everyone who goes to the Dr with some/any complaint of pain, will naturally end up being very costly for governments that subsidise pathology costs. This is what Dr Holic was referring to. As passionate as he is for treating the cause of many health complications with increased levels of Vit D, he does not see good value in requesting screening for everyone.
This is already the practise for testing by GPs, if you live in Australia, and Drs do not refer everyone for costly pathology tests, of any kind, unless really necessary.
Now, public can always debate whether this is fair or not. Quite rightly so. However, governments also have a duty in making sure that the funding for health (and other services) is spent in a balanced manner.
But I'm not advocating for governments here. Only pointing to the status quo of things, that's all.
Maybe trying to get your GP to be on board for high doses of vitD is the reason? Most of the medical profession recommends supplements that are way too low.
@@mc-nw1rk 700 million on a sports stadium and ramping ambulances is slightly out of balance.
@@lastjellyontheplate8828 they would have to do some research of VitD before they did that. I'm not sure there are many doctors willing to do that.
With 37% of adults eating fast food on any given day unless Mickey D's has started selling oily fish, then most people would be magnesium deficient. I started taking Magnesium Glycinate as well as chelated Zinc, and I can guarantee that feel the difference, especially in the getting better sleep at night and less stress.
@@ingram4896 2 to 3 weeks, in my case it was only 3 or 4 days.
Yes and most use caffine, you piss the magnesium out in a few days, living in a constant state of deficancy
250 nm/l = 100 ng the measure used more in the tests I see. Mine is 133ng and I took 50k iu a day to get there with NO PROBLEMS... all the hype about toxicity is ridiculous.. I also took Vit k and mag. I also take Ludol's 5% mg a day and together with the thyroid autoimmune attack being gone... my temperature went to 98.2 in the mornings and 98.6 -99 and has stayed there in the afternoons as it should. Now I don't have to take any thyroid meds after 30 years!
I take 10,000 daily plus k2. I work with children and I haven’t had a cold or any other illness in 3 years
Seems that no matter the issue, checking your Vitamin D is the place to start.
Yep and some doctors never do it
Agree. You have to have a baseline. I would say it takes 3 months to get it up to optimum. What say the experts?
It is not that expensive to get tests privately - last time I looked, it was about £25
Surprised about magnesium not being a major helper? Thank you so much for this amazing video!
Your right, according to Jeff T Bowles, author of Vitamin D3 Miracle, high dose Vit D uses up magnesium and boron at a fast rate,supplementation advised
@@alancameron6937 read that book! Gave me the courage to up my D dose to therapeutic levels!
Caution on this guy advised. His loyalties lie elsewhere.
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Hows he not convinved about vitamin k2 help with bone health? Especially when supplementing with vitamin d3?
Caution advised. This is the deceptive voice of Big Pharma. Use the K2.
Scary
@@onlyhis5870 let me share my experiences , i was deficient in vit d .. Last 6 yrs. When Covid 19 pandemic occurred understood it will protect hence was more regular in taking it started to give extended family the suppliments. In 2021 understood that Vitamin D in India is considered normal if it is 20/30 ng/ml understood it can be above 50 to 60 ng/ml above 60 nl/ml it helps reduce covid lung . Due to covid 19 more forms of Vit D supplements were available in market hence in March or april started using a vit d with k2. My mother who is having arthritic changes in fingers (small joints. ) was taking it weekly 4 times 5000 iu vit D. But MAY end i noted she after 20 yrs was able to have rice by her hand (fingers) no spoon required to have few morsels.. Here food MUST be taken by hand she was able to have food by hand was unbelievable to me. Hence K2 with vit d important. . she took as covid19 prophylaxis and as bed bound last few yrs.
@@jazzyjazz9872 trolling for medical cartels will land you in Hell. Now THAT’S scary!
@@onlyhis5870 are you saying this gentleman in the video is part of big pharma?
I thought vitamin D would lower your magnesium ?Being a cofactor along with boron
According to Jeff T Bowles, author of Vitamin D 3 Miracle, you're right, high dose Vit D uses up magnesium and boron at a fast rate, causing heartbeat irregularities, supplementation advised
Careful with ‘doctors.’ They are Pharma stooges or they wouldn’t still be practicing.
@@alancameron6937 my my it's so scary
@@jazzyjazz9872 don’t be afraid of D3 in large doses. It’s not scary at all. That’s the lie!
@@onlyhis5870 so too high will cause toxicity you're saying ?
Any update of Vitamin D with Covid?
Imo, this guy seems to know just enough to hurt you. “2000iu’s vit d3 daily” = very low dose, take calcium supplements, not too sure about k2 yet, and magnesium importance is kinda “meh”. This is precisely why people need to learn to care for themselves.
A patient who had atopic eczema for about 17 years as an adult and also had milk crust as a toddler started taking 20.000 I.U. daily and his eczema resolved after nine months. In my opinion anyone with eczema should give 10k IU to 20k IU daily a try. Do not take a product that has capsules made from animal sources, i.e. if you take a product that uses capsules make sure they are vegan to avoid toxins from industrial farming that may come with gelatine capsules.
Wait, doesn't Vitamin D itself come from animal source ?
@@wordsshackles441Historically, D3 was always from an animal source. Most commonly, D3 supplements are made from lanolin found in sheep’s wool. D2 is from UVB treated mushrooms. I didn’t know until I just checked, you can now also get vegan D3 from a lichen based source. You learn something new everyday.
Will this protocol cure fibromyalgia/CFS? Please tell me 🙏
Vitamin d 3 with K …30 000 to 50,000 a day with 600 mg of magnesium , and zinc
@@faatimamadsen2351 can you please tell me what time and after which meal of the day should I take the respective supplements and what kind of magnesium and zinc how much and for how long 🙏 . Please let know
@@faatimamadsen2351 can you please tell me the exact dose of vitamin d ,what kind of magnesium, how much K2 and zinc and what time and after which meal in day and for how long should I use this protocol🙏
What is the equivalent to ng/ml
Divide by 2.5
Biotech makes D3Plus which includes all the co-factors.
I applaud folks investing in their health, but some of these alleged doses are very high. The only thing that counts is the serum level.
Cheers.
Whilst 2-10,000 may be enough for the majority of people to hit 50ng/mL, there are outliers due to individual’s health issues where much higher doses are needed, so it doesn’t surprise me to see the occasional extremely high values in the comments section . However, I absolutely agree, no individual knows how well they absorb D, so testing is imperative to find blood levels, both initially and at intermediate stages if supplementation is increased.
He recomends sunscrean and thats is poison
There are natural sunscreens.
I was a brick mason for years my partner would cover himself with sunscreen every day,me id use zero , he died of cancer
It could be a hat and clothing
That depends on what it is made of. Zinc sunscreen is not poison, but if you are blocking the sun with sunscreens then I would think that you would be preventing you from getting Vit D. I only use sunscreen on my face and chest.
Please use better audio quality next time.
He can't change the quality of the phone line, now can he?
I've regularly been taking up to 200,000 IU of vitamin D3 a day to counter my vitamin A toxicity for the past 5 years. I also take vitamin K2 and magnesium along with it. Vitamin A and vitamin D have an antagonistic relationship. Dairy fat is high in vitamin A, and it builds up in your liver over a lifetime. Vitamin A has the longest half-life of any vitamin A at about 5 months, but even after 5 years of the lowest vitamin A diet I can find (beef carnivore), I still have plenty of vitamin A. So, I assume that over a lifetime, the body can store vast amounts of vitamin A for decades.
By the way, most of the symptoms they are talking about here, from bone pain to migraines to muscle pain and autoimmune disorders all manifestations of vitamin A toxicity. If you have these, it will take years of ultra-low vitamin A diet to get rid of, along with supplemental vitamin D.
Y need magnesium because vitamin d3 because it depletes your magnesium
Read info by Jeff T. Bowles. I have learned to also check your calcium levels . Important to supplement with Vit K as I understand it keeps Calcium out of the blood.
@@terrylynncreel19 I I have his book and I have his website too so I’m all educated on him very smart guy thank you
@@terrylynncreel19 vitamin K2
Not according to Dr. Holick re depleting magnesium and he has over 40years of research under his belt.
Why would D3 the natural source from the sun deplete magnesium? So supplementation wouldn't either. It's not logical.
I heard it from other drs not my opinion
Amazing interview 👏 i take 10.000 iu a day and 50.000 iu when i catch a bug
Vitamin d with copper is great
YES
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What is the vitamin D levels of Children in Africa? Children in Masai Tribe?
150 nm. Weren't you listening?
@@Noor-jw2tn
What time frame
@@bobcocampo that is D levels in blood when tested. It's not dosage. I'm not sure what you mean by time frame.
@@Noor-jw2tn
What part based on time in the video did you hear the levels of vitamin D for kids
@@Noor-jw2tn
Read my question carefully. What is it that you don't understand?
Seems very extreme
9 years ago i started a 200 year sentence in the joint and after taking 90000 of the Vit D im the shotcaller in the yard yall 100% OG Holmes.
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Huh????
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Lol