You can always tell when someone is a professional painter or not and I know you guys are a professional painters because any professional painter know that you should spray the wall to get the paint on the wall they come behind and back Roll the wall. Most people think of spraygun is the only thing that you should use but that is Farthest from the truth the spray gun just put paint on the wall back rolling does the job you guys made an awesome video thanks
Great job XC ! 2 men working together is the way to go when spraying ! So much faster ! I wish I could find a good helper that I could hire and put on the books . Im really getting tired of doing this by myself at 52 years old.
Omg. Finally some guys who know how to paint, people think I’m nuts when it tell them I have to spray the ceiling last, not paint it first 🤦♂️ Nice work guys 👍🏻 If I hire someone to paint and they paint the ceiling first I pay them for that and send them home lol.
I'm going to try this method. Ive always sprayed the ceilings first then made ann extra wide cut in with a roller before I shoot the walls. This is good shit guys 👌
@@billgoforth7426 thanks, this is an orange peel texture and a Spec home with a short deadline. I've done level 5 only once, and there are a few different methods to accomplish level 5, but it always requires applying a leveling skim coat or a leveling spray mud.. so this alone wouldn't work with level 5, especially with thst 3/4" nap we used.
@checkmate4213 if you're spraying and backrolling a level 5, the client has to be okay with roller stipple, or approve the roller nap so they are happy. To avoid flashing, you have to avoid getting overspray back onto a surface or corner that was rolled already, and focus on each wall with a smaller tip too... Or you can go with no backrolling if client approves. Use appropriate spray tip for job scope and time allotted.
Cool cool thanks for your input. Appreciate it I'm doing a custom perfect smooth Wall right now. Two coats of PVA two coats of finish back rolling all of it
2 coats is recommended, I always strive for best practices as a solo painter/business owner... (in these videos I worked as an employee, builder only goes with 1 topcoat) but realistically in some spec home situations only 1 coat is budgeted for money and time wise. In these houses with beige walls "Edgecomb grey" we tinted the primer to that, did 1 solid wet top coat, backrolled and sometimes fog coat after, sometimes not, they always turn out well, with Flat sheen paint and even low lustre.
Kind of confused why you’d do ceilings last. Especially if it’s colored walls, not why, it leaves a fog of ceiling paint on the walls. Please explain your thoughts. Thanks!
We sometimes paint the ceilings last when we're addressing many ceilings or rooms because we can spray them. Also it changes the process in new construction homes so we can spray and roll walls very easily, then mask and spray ceilings. If we paint ceilings first...we would most likely be left to brush and roll all the walls, cutting in the ceilings. That requires two full coats of paint, and on an empty new construction home, particularly a spec home, that takes entirely way too much time, effort, and paint. Masking and spraying ceilings also gives incredible paint lines if you mask well. The plastic should reach the floor so no ceiling paint gets on the walls.
The advantage of spraying can be situational... so in the case of new construction spec homes, and with orange peel texture, it is so much easier, effective and efficient to spray the paint on and backroll instead of manually brushing or rolling every corner, bottom and top of wall, dipping hundreds of times considering the massive amount of drywall area and coats of products needed. We can spray out this interior in 5 - 6 man hours max... if we brushed and rolled this 3 story home requiring 2 coats, it would take 40 plus man hours
@@XCPainter So the advantage is just doing the corners faster? I could be wrong, but I feel like i could paint just as fast with 2 man brushing and rolling on a regular 4 corner walls room, it would be cleaner, healthier cause no pray in the air, require less prep work and less cleaning of the tools after process. I allways thought just spraying would be enough, if u include a second man for the backroll, it starts to look inefective to me
Thanks for the vid! I'm Priming and painting a 3bedroom this week for the first time using a sprayer. Its a reno so half of it is new drywall. I plan on spray priming all the walls and ceilings first, does that need to be backrolled? Then it looks like spray the wall top coat first then tape it off with plastic then top coat the ceilings? I'm installing wood trim afterwards so don't have to worry about taping that off.
It’s always recommended to backroll especially the 1st coat/primer it works into the drywall more efficiently and you get better adhesion. Always backroll drywall and sand in between coats ALWAYS!!
So back rolling is to push the paint into small cracks and pin holes?? if you thinned out your water based paints so it wasnt so thick wouldnt this help getting paint into pin holes and no need to back roll? just curious as im about to buy a sprayer and do some renos,
Rub your hand across a wall with new finished drywall. The joint compound is very smooth the Sheetrock has an almost fuzzy like Texture on it. It’s 2 different textures when you backroll you create 1 consistent texture and that’s what backrolling does is create a uniform finish
This seems to be an ongoing issue that no one ever agrees on , should you spray one heavy coat and back roll or cut in and roll the whole thing, seems there should be some sortive way to determine which is better, but I don't know the answer. my opinion I think the physical strength and stamina it takes to spray is considerably less than carrying an 18 inch roller loaded up with heavy paint all day, and although he did use a roller to back roll for the needed finish it's not quite that heavy being used in that way so the speed is there! Pretty sure I couldn't roll and cut in a 3000 sq ft house in 8 hours with a helper🤔
Would you backroll a ship-lap wall? I just purchased a sprayer to make painting our dining room ship-lap quicker... But I've seen a few video's talking about backrolling.
Hi, short answer is it's certainly possible to do a nice spray finish without backrolling. It all depends on how smooth your surface or existing coatings are, what results you are looking for, and if you are able to spray a nice finish. An example: if you have to prime over raw wood, a backroll with a 1/4" × 6" mini roller would help to work primer into the wood and roll it even. . but with topcoats I'd probably just spray with a 308 or 410FF tip
Is this how you guys do new housing? Is that the final wall coat? I assume you then mask off the walls and spray the ceilings. Final step is to spray the trim pack when it is hung? Don't the carpenters scratch up the walls? I was wondering why you taped the walls (and creasing the paper) to spray the trim. I'm guessing that the walls are finished at that stage. Also, don't the floor guys, electricians and carpet guys scratch up the walls & ceilings? The electricians always make marks when putting in pot lights. The carpet guys lay the carpet on the wall and then cut it. The floor guys always get fast set or something on the walls.
Yes this is the final coat besides touch ups. The other trades aren't too bad on the walls except for making dust inside. Walls are cleaned and touched up as needed by the builder's employee. We only fix what we are responsible for.
@chancenebeker4481 it's also because of the interior finish schedules that work best for these quick build homes. We weren't the cheapest bidder but we did good looking work in an efficient manner.
Hi I do new construction in the UK. I've been spraying walls to a finish but I'm now on a site that wants them back rolled. My question is when your doing this alone would you just spray one room at a time and roll? Or will it dry too quick?
For our substrates (new drywall mud/tape, even primed) it tends to dry in super fast, so I have a hard time backrolling a big wall or ceiling sections properly. Can do it, but it's like going through the motions, but not effective though. If your surfaces hold out the product better, or it just stays wet longer, you can do one wall at a time or maybe half of one
Touch up is still possible depending on the surface, which paint, which sheen, paint age, and client expectations. Orange peel texture is common in the northwest US and is a little more forgiving than smoothwall
@ourwilliam2405 this was the finish coat for this spec home. If the house were further along in construction phases with trim, cabinets, flooring, electrical, etc I typically would just brush and roll if that suited the client's schedule
Just curious but why would someone spray and backroll when they can just roll initially? It would seem less work with masking to just roll 2 coats. Does it leave less stipple with the spray or something?
Thanks for asking. To spray or not to spray can be situational, with the amount of area to cover, allowable timeframe for the work, and of course, the logistics of different methods and how they turn out. These homes are 3 story new construction spec homes, with orange peel texture drywall. That would require a whole lot of cutting and rolling, lots of paint going on 3 floors, and double that with 2 coats. Also, spray priming before and after texture makes for even more work, but it's feasible with spraying The spray production method (in this situation) is just so much faster, easier, effective. We masked, sprayed and rolled topcoat on walls in this home in 2.5 hours. Next day, masked walls and sprayed ceilings 2 coats in a day or 2.
Backrolling can leave stippling on smooth walls, but you can also minimize it by not applying too much product, or by using a microfiber roller. If the amount of product sprayed is just right, and roller technique was done correct, there shouldn't be any visible problems. Side note, if I see roller stipple on surfaces, inside or outside, it isn't a bad thing as long as it looks even and consistent.
@@XCPainter I was planning doing a super smooth level 5 on my walls prior to paint - and would love to avoid even roller stippling... do you have to backroll on a smooth surface?
@@danielohirsch After you mudding and leveling coats are done, you'll want the best appropriate primer, either high build or just something that sands easy, then you'll have to address more prep work on walls and full sand possibly. Then 2nd coat of primer. Then you can spray topcoats.
We prefer a 3/4" on orange peel texture to carry the paint from top to bottom and carry the paint across the walls. 1/2" is not really effective enough
@@XCPainter What brand of roller did you use? I would like to try this process both to speed things up as well as achieve even coverage. Looked like you have minimal overlap and just go up and down a section of the wall once then move over. Nice job, I got just as much reading comments as watching the video.
@@jimw6991 my up stroke goes back a little bit a down stroke goes straight down, then move over. There's a decent amount of overlap which can help with consistency
That's cool man. Thanks, we've done it that way plenty of times too, but more commonly on custom homes or basically jobs where they want the walls painted afterwards. So you say materials wasted? I'd rather spray out and backroll 25 gallons of paint in one good coat instead of cutting and rolling two coats on a 3000 sq ft new construction spec. That new drywall/primer just sucks up the paint still so... spec home, we spray 👍
@@XCPainter doesnt it take you guys a while to tape plastic on the walls? Maybe a day or two for 2 guys? At 25$ to 30$ hr a piece for 2 guys 2 days plus the cost of frog tape and plastic, I'd expect one guy to cut the entire house in one day two coats without trim
I'd love to give it a try but I know there are certain things that don't go as smooth... like can you spray all the way down to the floor and up to ceiling with ease or do you have to take separate passes for those? I don't know how much time you could save. It only took us 2 hours or less to spray out this three-story, 3000 square foot house.
For the purposes of this job (new construction), with an orange peel texture on all surfaces... it's quite porous, so it's beneficial to work the paint into the texture and move the paint across the wall top to bottom. Of course this improves the consistency of the paint sheen and finish also.
Well you're right but that's okay. He does spray from right to left usually, and sprays different than I do. Heck does a lot of stuff different but it's all good.
You can always tell when someone is a professional painter or not and I know you guys are a professional painters because any professional painter know that you should spray the wall to get the paint on the wall they come behind and back Roll the wall. Most people think of spraygun is the only thing that you should use but that is Farthest from the truth the spray gun just put paint on the wall back rolling does the job you guys made an awesome video thanks
The sprayer is an applicator…the roller is the finisher.
So as a one man job, not really practical?
@@TheMendo123 it is…cuts away the tiring effect of Labour.
Masking isn’t labour intensive but dipping roller in and out of trays is.
@@JohnMartin-oh6bf I'm confused, so you are advocating for the use of a roller or not?
@@TheMendo123 not really.
Each one has its pros and cons.
Great job XC ! 2 men working together is the way to go when spraying ! So much faster ! I wish I could find a good helper that I could hire and put on the books . Im really getting tired of doing this by myself at 52 years old.
D.E.K. Outdoors Hey if your around the Pittsburgh area... 👈 I’m your gal to help.
You still looking? Where are you?
@@gianthills I switched careers last year.
@@DEK981967 ok. Me too. Lol
Omg. Finally some guys who know how to paint, people think I’m nuts when it tell them I have to spray the ceiling last, not paint it first 🤦♂️
Nice work guys 👍🏻
If I hire someone to paint and they paint the ceiling first I pay them for that and send them home lol.
You are clueless lmfao
What's the reasoning for painting the ceiling last? I'm a super novice.
@@camrycowan9429for me painting ceiling last just makes sense😂
I'm going to try this method. Ive always sprayed the ceilings first then made ann extra wide cut in with a roller before I shoot the walls. This is good shit guys 👌
Another great video from the best painter on youtube!
Thank you!! The tips helped me out alot.
Production at its finest 👊
I want to see you do this on level five.. that's when it really counts.. seriously unforgiving.. you got some skills thank you..
@@billgoforth7426 thanks, this is an orange peel texture and a Spec home with a short deadline.
I've done level 5 only once, and there are a few different methods to accomplish level 5, but it always requires applying a leveling skim coat or a leveling spray mud.. so this alone wouldn't work with level 5, especially with thst 3/4" nap we used.
@@XCPainter I had the same question any tips on avoiding flashing on a level 5 finish ?
@checkmate4213 if you're spraying and backrolling a level 5, the client has to be okay with roller stipple, or approve the roller nap so they are happy.
To avoid flashing, you have to avoid getting overspray back onto a surface or corner that was rolled already, and focus on each wall with a smaller tip too...
Or you can go with no backrolling if client approves. Use appropriate spray tip for job scope and time allotted.
Cool cool thanks for your input. Appreciate it I'm doing a custom perfect smooth Wall right now. Two coats of PVA two coats of finish back rolling all of it
Labor-intensive
Nice vid bud.👍
Curious with this method do you have to put a second coat on? Or does the backrolling do the job?
2 coats is recommended, I always strive for best practices as a solo painter/business owner... (in these videos I worked as an employee, builder only goes with 1 topcoat) but realistically in some spec home situations only 1 coat is budgeted for money and time wise.
In these houses with beige walls "Edgecomb grey" we tinted the primer to that, did 1 solid wet top coat, backrolled and sometimes fog coat after, sometimes not, they always turn out well, with Flat sheen paint and even low lustre.
Kind of confused why you’d do ceilings last. Especially if it’s colored walls, not why, it leaves a fog of ceiling paint on the walls. Please explain your thoughts. Thanks!
We sometimes paint the ceilings last when we're addressing many ceilings or rooms because we can spray them. Also it changes the process in new construction homes so we can spray and roll walls very easily, then mask and spray ceilings.
If we paint ceilings first...we would most likely be left to brush and roll all the walls, cutting in the ceilings. That requires two full coats of paint, and on an empty new construction home, particularly a spec home, that takes entirely way too much time, effort, and paint.
Masking and spraying ceilings also gives incredible paint lines if you mask well.
The plastic should reach the floor so no ceiling paint gets on the walls.
So, serious question....what is the advantage of spraying, if you have to roll it anyway?
The advantage of spraying can be situational... so in the case of new construction spec homes, and with orange peel texture, it is so much easier, effective and efficient to spray the paint on and backroll instead of manually brushing or rolling every corner, bottom and top of wall, dipping hundreds of times considering the massive amount of drywall area and coats of products needed.
We can spray out this interior in 5 - 6 man hours max... if we brushed and rolled this 3 story home requiring 2 coats, it would take 40 plus man hours
@@XCPainter So the advantage is just doing the corners faster?
I could be wrong, but I feel like i could paint just as fast with 2 man brushing and rolling on a regular 4 corner walls room, it would be cleaner, healthier cause no pray in the air, require less prep work and less cleaning of the tools after process.
I allways thought just spraying would be enough, if u include a second man for the backroll, it starts to look inefective to me
How do you go on back rolling the ceilings with the overspray going on the edges of the walls, won't it show a different finish
Not on orange peel
Thanks for the vid! I'm Priming and painting a 3bedroom this week for the first time using a sprayer. Its a reno so half of it is new drywall. I plan on spray priming all the walls and ceilings first, does that need to be backrolled? Then it looks like spray the wall top coat first then tape it off with plastic then top coat the ceilings? I'm installing wood trim afterwards so don't have to worry about taping that off.
I would always suggest to back roll to catch sags and fill thin spots
It’s always recommended to backroll especially the 1st coat/primer it works into the drywall more efficiently and you get better adhesion. Always backroll drywall and sand in between coats ALWAYS!!
So back rolling is to push the paint into small cracks and pin holes?? if you thinned out your water based paints so it wasnt so thick wouldnt this help getting paint into pin holes and no need to back roll? just curious as im about to buy a sprayer and do some renos,
Rub your hand across a wall with new finished drywall. The joint compound is very smooth the Sheetrock has an almost fuzzy like Texture on it. It’s 2 different textures when you backroll you create 1 consistent texture and that’s what backrolling does is create a uniform finish
@keithtaylor5515 thinning with water wouldn't be necessary and it would make the products shrink back too much
This seems to be an ongoing issue that no one ever agrees on , should you spray one heavy coat and back roll or cut in and roll the whole thing, seems there should be some sortive way to determine which is better, but I don't know the answer. my opinion I think the physical strength and stamina it takes to spray is considerably less than carrying an 18 inch roller loaded up with heavy paint all day, and although he did use a roller to back roll for the needed finish it's not quite that heavy being used in that way so the speed is there! Pretty sure I couldn't roll and cut in a 3000 sq ft house in 8 hours with a helper🤔
much faster for sure.
Can you do a quick tutorial on cutting in ceilings?
I can try to make one of those sometime, thank you!
Would you backroll a ship-lap wall? I just purchased a sprayer to make painting our dining room ship-lap quicker... But I've seen a few video's talking about backrolling.
Hi, short answer is it's certainly possible to do a nice spray finish without backrolling.
It all depends on how smooth your surface or existing coatings are, what results you are looking for, and if you are able to spray a nice finish. An example: if you have to prime over raw wood, a backroll with a 1/4" × 6" mini roller would help to work primer into the wood and roll it even. . but with topcoats I'd probably just spray with a 308 or 410FF tip
Is this how you guys do new housing?
Is that the final wall coat?
I assume you then mask off the walls and spray the ceilings. Final step is to spray the trim pack when it is hung? Don't the carpenters scratch up the walls? I was wondering why you taped the walls (and creasing the paper) to spray the trim. I'm guessing that the walls are finished at that stage.
Also, don't the floor guys, electricians and carpet guys scratch up the walls & ceilings? The electricians always make marks when putting in pot lights. The carpet guys lay the carpet on the wall and then cut it. The floor guys always get fast set or something on the walls.
Yes this is the final coat besides touch ups. The other trades aren't too bad on the walls except for making dust inside. Walls are cleaned and touched up as needed by the builder's employee. We only fix what we are responsible for.
Ummmm. Ceilings, then trim, walls last.
@@terilachonce280 not in these homes
@@terilachonce280 most new track builders dont want to pay the painters shit contracts go to cheapest bidder. so this is how they paint them
@chancenebeker4481 it's also because of the interior finish schedules that work best for these quick build homes. We weren't the cheapest bidder but we did good looking work in an efficient manner.
Hi I do new construction in the UK. I've been spraying walls to a finish but I'm now on a site that wants them back rolled. My question is when your doing this alone would you just spray one room at a time and roll? Or will it dry too quick?
For our substrates (new drywall mud/tape, even primed) it tends to dry in super fast, so I have a hard time backrolling a big wall or ceiling sections properly.
Can do it, but it's like going through the motions, but not effective though.
If your surfaces hold out the product better, or it just stays wet longer, you can do one wall at a time or maybe half of one
What's the large tank for, is it air, and how does it work? Never have seen something like this.
The white tank is just propane for the general contractor's heaters. We turn them on after we finished spraying.
I have to Prime and paint a 400 square-foot addition that I just put on my house, do you recommend backrolling on the primer coat?
It's not a bad idea to do that, especially if you are priming over a drywall texture.
@@XCPainter thank you!
Always backroll primer and finish coats
If you spray and don't backroll how do you touch up later and get the same finish if spraying isnt an option due to furniture etc?
Touch up is still possible depending on the surface, which paint, which sheen, paint age, and client expectations.
Orange peel texture is common in the northwest US and is a little more forgiving than smoothwall
I use a mini roller with only a little paint, and feather out the touch up area edges
Hi What's the reason for rolling after the spray? Thx
even out the paint after spraying
Would you paint the same way if this was the finish ?
@ourwilliam2405 this was the finish coat for this spec home. If the house were further along in construction phases with trim, cabinets, flooring, electrical, etc I typically would just brush and roll if that suited the client's schedule
@ thanks for answering
verry goood
What size nap were you using?
I think this is a 18 × 3/4" since it's new orange peel texture
Just curious but why would someone spray and backroll when they can just roll initially? It would seem less work with masking to just roll 2 coats. Does it leave less stipple with the spray or something?
Thanks for asking.
To spray or not to spray can be situational, with the amount of area to cover, allowable timeframe for the work, and of course, the logistics of different methods and how they turn out.
These homes are 3 story new construction spec homes, with orange peel texture drywall.
That would require a whole lot of cutting and rolling, lots of paint going on 3 floors, and double that with 2 coats.
Also, spray priming before and after texture makes for even more work, but it's feasible with spraying
The spray production method (in this situation) is just so much faster, easier, effective.
We masked, sprayed and rolled topcoat on walls in this home in 2.5 hours.
Next day, masked walls and sprayed ceilings 2 coats in a day or 2.
Will backrolling cause stippling on a smooth surface?
Backrolling can leave stippling on smooth walls, but you can also minimize it by not applying too much product, or by using a microfiber roller. If the amount of product sprayed is just right, and roller technique was done correct, there shouldn't be any visible problems. Side note, if I see roller stipple on surfaces, inside or outside, it isn't a bad thing as long as it looks even and consistent.
@@XCPainter I was planning doing a super smooth level 5 on my walls prior to paint - and would love to avoid even roller stippling... do you have to backroll on a smooth surface?
@@danielohirsch if you are good at spraying real even and know it could take appropriate steps to achieve that level 5
@@danielohirsch After you mudding and leveling coats are done, you'll want the best appropriate primer, either high build or just something that sands easy, then you'll have to address more prep work on walls and full sand possibly. Then 2nd coat of primer. Then you can spray topcoats.
@@XCPainter Thanks!
Why the 3/4 nap? Wouldn’t 1/2 be sufficient?
We prefer a 3/4" on orange peel texture to carry the paint from top to bottom and carry the paint across the walls. 1/2" is not really effective enough
@@XCPainter What brand of roller did you use? I would like to try this process both to speed things up as well as achieve even coverage. Looked like you have minimal overlap and just go up and down a section of the wall once then move over. Nice job, I got just as much reading comments as watching the video.
@@jimw6991 the roller might have been a Wooster Super Fab, 3/4" .
@@jimw6991 my up stroke goes back a little bit a down stroke goes straight down, then move over. There's a decent amount of overlap which can help with consistency
Is the ceiling same color as walls or are you going to tape off the walls then spray ceilings?
Thanks.
The ceilings are going White Dove in color. We masked off all the walls next and sprayed the ceilings.
My next video will show the wall masking going up and some ceiling spray footage 👍.
You boys do it different... I spray ceilings , cut in ceilings, and 18" the walls. Less materials wasted and prep time .
That's cool man. Thanks, we've done it that way plenty of times too, but more commonly on custom homes or basically jobs where they want the walls painted afterwards. So you say materials wasted? I'd rather spray out and backroll 25 gallons of paint in one good coat instead of cutting and rolling two coats on a 3000 sq ft new construction spec. That new drywall/primer just sucks up the paint still so... spec home, we spray 👍
@@XCPainter doesnt it take you guys a while to tape plastic on the walls? Maybe a day or two for 2 guys? At 25$ to 30$ hr a piece for 2 guys 2 days plus the cost of frog tape and plastic, I'd expect one guy to cut the entire house in one day two coats without trim
Would the inline Graco gun and jet roller not cut down on labour and time ?
I'd love to give it a try but I know there are certain things that don't go as smooth... like can you spray all the way down to the floor and up to ceiling with ease or do you have to take separate passes for those? I don't know how much time you could save. It only took us 2 hours or less to spray out this three-story, 3000 square foot house.
What kind of sprayer?
Using a smaller one that day, a Graco 395 PC Pro
Why backroll ? What is the purpose behind it ?
For the purposes of this job (new construction), with an orange peel texture on all surfaces... it's quite porous, so it's beneficial to work the paint into the texture and move the paint across the wall top to bottom. Of course this improves the consistency of the paint sheen and finish also.
Are Your walls textured ?
Yes, orange peel texture
What did you use the gas tank for?
Is it gas tank ??
No. Your boss should have started on the left and worked his way to the right until the whole room was done. Great video tho and good tips👍🏽
Well you're right but that's okay. He does spray from right to left usually, and sprays different than I do. Heck does a lot of stuff different but it's all good.
Left to right, right to left. What’s the difference as long as the roller is following behind. Lol
To me, the whole purpose for spraying is so I DON'T have to use a roller or brush.
You need to back till to work the painting into the walls.