The stripe on both sides for your test spray means the pressure was too low or your spray tip orifice is too worn. If you cannot turn your pressure up and your tip is not worn, dilute your paint. Turn the pressure up only enough to make the stripes go away. Turning it up much beyond that only results in more overspray. Great video as always! Thank you for sharing!
I have one piece of critical advice about paint sprayers: always make sure you get a model that lets you put two (ideally three) fingers on the trigger. This might seem like a small detail, but with the spring and the vibration, if you use a single finger it'll end up paralysed by the end of the day. A somewhat less critical piece of advice (for the user), but also pretty important (for the end result): remember that a roller can add or _remove_ paint, while a sprayer can only _add_ paint.
Considering the very thin layer of paint a sprayer puts on, there is not need to worry about paint to remove from a heavy handed application of paint with a roller.
@@AncoraImparoPiper - You've clearly never used a paint sprayer. It's _extremely easy_ to add too much emulsion paint with a spray gun, leading to an "orange peel" effect and even drips. That can happen even with lacquer paint, and emulsion is much worse.
Contrary to the negative posts, I have that Wagner airless sprayer which I use every time I decorate. Granted, I’ve got a Victorian house with large rooms rather than a modern house. Yes the masking up and clean up takes time but I have found the finish to be excellent with minimal runs and very little miss. Yes, there is some airborne paint but it typically falls to the ground as dry paint dust. I’ve added a whip hose to reduce stress on the wrist and a couple of alternative tips to reduce the width of the spray for smaller areas. Other than mist coating, I add around 10% water to the paint and dial in the pressure from low pressure slowly upwards until there is good overall coverage. Pump armour is your friend as is an outside tap and several buckets of clean water when it comes to clean up. It’d quite like to see a review of the new Graco drill powered sprayer as a comparison as I’ve got a load of furniture / gloss work jobs coming up where the Wagner would be overkill.
These ProperDIY videos are great. So meticulous and beautifully edited. But, does anyone else think that Stuart has given a great demonstration here of the use of a paint roller?
Perfect. Just what I was looking for. Bought my airless sprayer a few months back but haven't got around to using it yet. I have 3.2 m ceilings that are a pain to paint from a ladder and a roller with extension gets very very heavy to hold once it's full of paint. Plus my ceilings and walls are made from tongue and groove boards, the grooves of which my a roller does not reach so that would entail still climbing up and down a ladder with a brush to finish off the grooved areas. Yes, it will take a lot longer to mask everything off ( mainly floors in my case) compared to a few minutes of spraying. But the spraying will save my neck and body from having to deal with those high ceilings. I've done it the manual way in two bedrooms: never again , those high ceilings are just a huge pain in so many ways. Thanks for all the tips. After the interior, I'll use the sprayer to do the exterior of my timber home.
I’m no DIY person but watching your videos has made me want to to get into DIY as you give beautiful tips and ideas to get into this I love it thank you keep up the good work
Great show mate ,but as a painter and decorator for nearly fifty years i would never use a sprayer inside, all the messing about with masking up and then setting up the spray gun and after ,all the clean up to be done,a nine inch roller sleeve and a two and a half inch brush is more than good enough and will also give you a quality finish depending what state the walls are in , its not critcism mate, a spray does have a roll ,like external walls and fences .i always watch your shows they're unmissable .👍👍👍👍
I totally agree with you. All that faffing about masking up, dressing up and cleaning up takes too long. With a roller and frog tape you can do the average room including the ceiling in a few hours.
Great demo of using a paint sprayer inside. As a painter and decorator for over 30 years, I spotted straight away the woodwork would be an issue, and need painting after you finished spraying. Personally I would have just cut in with a brush and rolled the walls. Pro and cons with an empty room. Masking takes ages but spraying is much quicker. Never used a spray like that inside before, but would give it a go in the right circumstances.
As someone who has been diying for many years, I've often wondered about these sprayers. As much as I admire your work and the attention to detail, I'm left unconvinced that spraying is for me. The preparation time combined with the clean-up time leaves me thinking I would be faster, and more clean, using a traditional roller or good quality paint pads. That said, I may buy the basic model for use on some fence panels and the outside of my shed. Thank you for the video.
That was really useful information on all the work stages to prepare, spray and clear up. Nice job too. I have learned that I will always employ a professional decorator.
Thanks for the video. It’s made me appreciate the relaxing painting and rolling I do! I can cut in a whole room in a fraction of the time it takes you to mask up - and I’m not left storing a paint spraying unit.
I wish I had this video a couple years ago. Think all of the things you mentioned would have helped. I only did it for one room - not worth the effort. I did it in the height of summer with full overalls and eye protection and breather mask (bad idea), it literally could not have gone more wrong, I got so hot I took off my overalls was left in my underpants, I then started sticking to the thin sheets, they started to rip, the pressure of the sprayer blew off the adhesive like you mentioned, I literally couldn’t see a thing. It was like something out of a bad comedy sketch 😅
Hi Stuart, thank for another informative video. I am currently doing a lot of re-decorating in our house as it's not currently sunbathing weather. That Frog tape you showed on your earlier video is a game changer, thank you so much for bring that to my attention. A little more expensive, but well worth the extra cost. I note and concur with your comment about the wife being out when cleaning up. 🙂
Interesting to see so many people in comments who would rather not spray paint. I tend to agree. In my experience of seeing other people spray paint, it is very quick and effective when painting a whole empty new build, especially if it can be done before second fix carpentry and electrics etc, to minimize the masking required. The coats have to be thinner, so you need more of them. If you need to touch up an area, it's a bit tricky because a roller finish won't match the spray finish. The mist in the air is horrible, even if you're in the house for one minute without a mask, and it tends to settle very finely on everything that isn't covered. I have heard that the super high end sprayers have less excess mist, and are very precise and don't overspray where you don't want to paint, but I have never seen them in use.
Great video as always, but I really couldn’t be doing with all that masking. Give me a roller and a brush any day of the week. Thanks for the great content! 👍
Try the roller on my 3.2m ceilings. It gets so heavy with paint so quickly that it becomes a nightmare very quickly. Plus I have tongue and groove ceiling and the roller misses the grooves so up the ladder I go with a brush. Been there, done that, will not do that again. I'd rather mask and spray. If I had an ordinary height plaster ceiling, rolling is fine. Sure.
@@AncoraImparoPiper You’re putting on too much paint I’ve never had a problem with rollers on 3Meter+ high ceilings The Spray systems are only good on new builds . and even then ,,,
Very useful video. Every time I think an airless sprayer would be good for me I watch one of these videos and it convinces me that traditional is best. Good quality brushes, rollers and paint is still the way to go though there's a learning curve to getting good at it. And there's a fraction of the masking/protection effort required.
I've read that these machines are great for repainting kitchen unit doors/ carcasses. I can see it being a good idea for an empty property. Otherwise it's roller and brush for me. Great video !
Timely video! We are at the stage of our build where I need to mist coat fresh plastered walls. No sockets / faceplates / radiators / flooring / doors yet - just backboxes, first fix cables, and screed on the floor, so I only need to mask windows. I too have a handheld Wagner HVLP sprayer but based on this video I'm going to get the Wagner one you suggest. Excellent tips re masking, it's exactly what has been going through my mind as I fall asleep for the last few nights! Cheers
love this episode some very good points made, and ive been umming and awwing for a while on weather to get one, to me this just proved 450-500 quid for a sprayer, 100 quid on semi decent mask plus other PPE at 20-30 quid, 30-50 quid in tape ( probs double that if using frog tape lol ) and sheets every time, plus the huge amounts of prep and faff, then the clean up and strip down of parts, with alot of that being one time use like tape sheets ect, the 600 quid bottom end with added faff just when a decent roller and handle for 20 quid can give pretty damn good results, a thick woven dust/paint sheet 20 quid , roll of frog tape 6 quid all in about 50 quid and can be reused multiple times excluding the tape with out the need for allll the faff and cleaning and paint a large room in under an hour, the misses will be pleased ive decided not to buy one lol .... tip for a nice d.i.y roller cleaner video works a treat too, pvc pipe with holes in one end closed the other end a cap with hose attachment turn tap on walk away come back 10 mins later clean roller leave to dry,
Nice tip on the sockets. If the previous painter didn’t remove the sockets before painting, then running a Stanley blade or screw driver around the edge before hand is a decent way to stop the paint coming away from the wall as well.
Excellent video again with some cracking advice. Having used a slightly larger airless sprayer many times it's quite surprising how fast you can paint a large area, they're fantastic for painting fences too and turn a 4 day job into a 4 hour job.
That came out well. we did the same on the house we live in about 12 years ago all the rooms had been painted red with green woodwork and others in reverse. . We decorated the whole house in a couple of days. in standard issue white ceilings and magnolia walls. just so it was clean and livable. luckily no carpets down at that point which saved a lot of work. I did spray out my previous industrial workshop with the airless sprayer. that was 1000 Sq foot with 5m eaves all concrete blockwork. So much quicker than a roller in my opinion. My only complaint as such is the amount of time it takes to mask everything up. Keep the vidies coming I always enjoy them 👍
Hi Stuart. Love your videos and your delivery. However you titled this video for “newbie’s”. I was excited being a spray newbie. I’ve always wanted to try spray painting but the only thing that’s held me back is how to prepare the paint, thinning etc.? That was what I was excited to see, but you just said “I needed to thin the paint a little, and then it worked fine”. That’s the missing knowledge I need! Any chance you can do a bit of a deeper look at how and when to thin paint for all types of spray painting? Thanks for all you’ve done.
We did one of our rooms with the exact same unit - it did a great job but boy it was a lot of faff and expense. Plus I found lots of the paint was lost in the tube so a big tub of paint didn't go very far. As your video shows, when finished purging the pipes and the gun results in about 1 pint of un-used paint. Then there's all that landfill plastic to get rid of. The unit now sits in the garage in its box perhaps never to be used again. Chrisstones1249 is bang on correct with his comments.
I am really glad you did this video as I was seriously thinking about getting one of these sprayers but now I have seen the amount of prep and faffing about required along with the cleaning at the end I won’t be buying one and I’ll stick with the traditional methods, thanks again for showing what’s involved
I have used a number of Wagner airless sprayer since the 1970s. They are good BUT, the spray drops are much larger than you get with air sprayers, high and low pressure. You can not, and never will get a great fine cover. The paint layer is thick and prone to runs. For fences, outside walls they are brilliant. The sane rule applies when spraying inside. Be careful when you thin the pain and you will have to. One big advantage of the airless sprayer, there is much less spray floating about in the air. Don’t mask up as he shows. Put the primary length of masking tape up first. THEN, apply your masking paper.
In re sheeting and floors - I always put down a more traditional cotton sheet first, then the modern sheets over the top. Traditional heavy sheets are your "ultimate" protection, and the modern sheets prevent those getting full of dust, paint etc. I got the bigger brother (350M) of your sprayer for like 50 quid essentially new, opened, but unused. If you know where Amazon send the things that don't sell on marketplace, you know - though I still got lucky because they even still tend go for a lot of money.
One additional tip, run a stanley knife around the edge of the socket before applying the masking tape and unscrewing the socket; often the socket will be painted to the wall and if you don’t cut the paint seal, it’ll pull lumps off the wall when you undo the screws As you say at the end, unless you have an empty room where the overspray doesn’t matter, its a huge amount of effort to mask up the room - plus the airless sprayers are very expensive so its more of a ‘new build’ tool than one you’ll use regularly.
I’ve got one of those machines and have done my fair share of decorating. I find the extra prep and big clean up of the pipes are too inconvenient for most single room repaints. Great for freshly plastered rooms when you need to do mist coats and many layers and for large outside areas like the fence. Otherwise it’s just gathering dust. One tip is you can leave the spray head in a bucket of water overnight if you know you’re going to do another coat the next day. Saves you having to clean it between coats
Hey Stuart, you mentioned the Venturi effect. I bought a 20$ Venturi pump. It is fantastic to pump in the garden. And other crazy jams you get into. No electricity just a garden hose (and water) I bet you know all about this from your career. Might make a good video. This pump saved my backside during my basement replacement project and heavy rains.
I love using a sprayer inside, the finish is much superior than roller and brushes and you can finish the job a lot faster once you get better at masking and include the woodwork too. Some additional tips: When masking corners, mitre the tape just by ripping it at an angle, it makes it easier to get a clean corner. If you are doing a lot of masking, something like a 3M 3000M hand masker can save you a lot of time, and you can buy separate tape and paper. When spraying the ceiling, spray coats in a cross hatch pattern, when you reach the final coat, it should be perpendicular to the main light source in the room. This shows less flaws. For small rooms, you don't need such a big sprayer, instead get a small sprayer like the Graco ultra hand held, you'll save a lot of paint using a machine like this. For trim, coving, skirting etc using a water based paint like AkzoNobel Aqualit paint and a tip like a FFLP 206. When you have tails, increase the pressure, if you still have tails then you do need to thin the paint. Don't mix cold water with your paint, mix with hot water instead. Spray woodwork first, then mask it with a low tack tape like the purple deltec tape. Then spray the walls, then use a drop film big enough for your room and you can paint the ceiling a different colour.
Spat out my coffee at 15:52, so true! I always have to keep my wet rollers in a tied bin bag after a decorating job until my wife's shopping day to give them a good clean at the sink 😂
I've never considered spraying inside. The prep would put me off. Having said that. I mostly spray poly onto furniture I am making/restoring. And to quote you. It takes more time to prep and clean up after than the actual job. But you do get an excellent result.
In my previous experience managing properties, I strongly believe that using a roller would have expedited the process significantly. However, when it comes to the fence outside, opting for a different method would yield much better results.
Yep airless sprayers are fantastic, especially on empty newly plastered rooms. You can coat the whole room with a perfect finish in less than five minutes. Clean up takes no longer than with a bucket and roller in my experience too. The finish is just excellent too. You do need to mask off the window and doors but you would want to anyway in my opinion however you paint it.
Use to spray cars,most of the time is the prep and masking,and polishing and cleaning afterwards. The spraying takes about an hour. Apart from the polishing, it's a similar process doing a room.
Hi Stuart, do you not think it is better to roll immediately after airless spraying? It will add better the paint on the wall or ceiling. By the way, which size airless tip you used? I suppose an 517, right?
Brilliant, ive just swapped out my Wagner HPLV for the Erbaur airless. Intend on using it internally, but also for the fungacide, primer and first coat on our exterior pebbledash!
Great video Stu, interesting point on the Tesa Precision Cover-Up Tape, I never knew it was low-tack I just assumed it was like a proper painters tape in terms of strength. And as for spraying I’d always recommend thinning down the paint by 10% in terms of application and flow through the spray system. But also pump armour is a brilliant product for cleaning the gun out after you’ve done all the water! :)
Thanks Stuart, some great practical tips here regardless of whether you're using a sprayer so, as always, worth the watch despite not being a product on my buy list ! Great reveal of the beautiful sunset over the old hall, I'm sure you planned that too ! 😉
Superb video Only comment I’d make is that it would be considerably quickly to just use a roller as normal. To the point where I really can’t see any real benefit to spraying in a domestic setting. Factory or large offices maybe
Hi sir Having looked at the price it is quite an investment, so you would have to be doing something major to justify the cost . But I’ve no doubt you get good results , I also understand if you do need to touch an area up you can see the difference because of the texture of spray finish . So presumably you would have to get the spray gun out , but I’m probably being a bit picky. Always enjoy your videos Stuart, and can see the trouble you go to to explain and show every detail . A very enjoyable channel that I never miss . Kind regards as always 👍
I had a new house built and it was spray painted. Problem was it was summer and the paint partialy dried before it hit the wall. When i inspected the 'finished' job it wiped off the sheet rock 'gyprock'. I got them to wipe everything down and paint it with rollers. My next home was also spray painted, it was fantastic.
Good method Stuart but spraying requires perfect surfaces ( walls and ceilings ) as spraying is so fine it will show absolutely every defect . As a tradesman I still prefer good old brushes and rollers and my clients are very happy. Excellent as always 👍
HVLP = High Volume, Low Pressure (not Velocity) Over recent years i have had various decorators request to use spraying as a painting method but out of all of them only one on a large commercial building was a success, the disasters IMO were those in domestic premises. As noted here it is critical to prepare and protect comprehensively for spraying that inevitably means it takes more time especially, on small rooms and where there are many features doors, windows etc to be protected. On the successful job the areas were large and the masking up simple and limited. As an example of what happens in the domestic scenario, the decorator had to paint one room with two windows, 2 personnel doors and a set of bi-fold doors. I did not see the prep work but the aftermath of overspray everywhere. A job where a coat of paint using a paintbrush and roller would take say 20-30minutes must have taken much longer plus the three days of cleaning all the overspray and re-touching. There appears to be a glamour attached to spraying paint instead of using a paint brush and roller that shouldn't be there, a cold hard evaluation of the best process is all that is required. The KISS principle really does apply.
A worked for a volume builder. We had old style painters and spray painters. All the houses with roller and brush finished well. The spray painters always looked like they needed another coat or two to bring it to reasonable finish.
You need to fill you pump with pump saver os pump protector as storing it with any amount of water inside of it will lead to it failing due to corrosion.
All that prep and setting up and breaking down everything, a roller is faster and a good brush for cutting in and a rag to wipe up paint drips, and an empty room you can go even faster.
Perfect timing again thanks Stuart. A new video to extend my lunch break and avoid returning to today's DIY project. Shame about all the contrary comments on spray vs brush/roller. You summed up the pros and cons well though, and there's NO doubt about the finish. And now my contrary comment, I love that sheet-on-a-tape stuff (in Oz it comes on an OK dispenser with tear off cutter) and agree it's a poor for edging, but I'd always just done the blue edging first and then put the sheet tape over that. Now THAT must be the most trivial and rediculous qualification or alternate suggestion you've had today? 🙄 Cheers mate!
Stuart, with a few tweaks, we'll make a sprayer out of you quite soon, making it so much more easier for you, using less paint and less 'bounce back' overspray. Great vid.
I have the same kit, I have a large refurbishment project. The pros… it’s great for cutting in to corners. Brushing always seems to need several coats. Large expansive areas it’s great , as Stuart says the finish is really nice. The CON,s …….. it took us ages to get the dilution correct, boy oh boy it’s a messy job. We were covered in the fine mist. At no point could we deliver the paint as shown in Wagners promotional videos. If I could nail the mixing in a more scientific way,it would have saved a lot of time. I used a wand to reach the corners and ceiling, it’s worked really well. Verdict ……. The jury’s out……… I will be doing a lot more next week. I will report back.
I think this process would work great with a team of three. One who only does prep, then the sprayer and then the cleaner. The thought of having to do it all myself for the first time makes me think there is a decent chance of a bad result/big mess
I like the look of that huge tray you are using at the 11 minute mark. I was making a right mess pouring the paint into my little sprayer when I did my fences. Can I ask where you got it from or did that come with your NEW sprayer?
In my grown (40 s) daughters circle the women do all the painting, same in my nieces and nephews family’s. I can’t say they do much other diy other than that but neither do the men. I do projects when I visit. Weird but not uncommon with “kids” nowadays. Not much diy spirit. Too bad, it teaches you a lot of common sense.
Nice work there mate. I'd imagine spraying like that is more suited to industrial buildings or large open spaces , or also for re-finishing kitchen cabinets.....but I loved watching the process involved. Thanks for posting this 👍
Hi, thanks for this video 😊 very informative as usual. Can I ask where you got the mat that you’ve got the Sprayer on in the room? Looks really useful 😎👍
Removing the socket cover and then masking a smaller area around the guts of the socket seems like a beter way to handle power sockets and ligth switches. The masking plate is always larger than the hole and the switches. There will be basically no exposed wiring regardless and you can spray properly under where the masking plate goes.
I have just replaced the light switches in my house. I was loosing my mind trying to get the slightly smaller screws in the back boxes so thought sod it and bought a box of 40mm screws. As I was putting them in I was thinking my future self would thank me when I loosened them off of painting leaving plenty of space to cut behind.
After I used a whole can of fence paint on a single fence panel I swapped my spray gun for a brush and did the other 8 panels with a second can of paint.
Interesting video! If you hadn't been filming, how long do you think the whole process of masking up and spraying took you for the whole job? Thank you.
How long did the prep work take with having to remove stuff, make it off and cover it ? Yes I get that the painting is going to be a lot quicker than doing it by roller but is it any quicker overall by the time you have finished cleaning the sprayer off
Hello, nice video. So covering the surface takes a long time, but then the first layer is painted quite quickly, after a few hours the second and onward to the new peaks of painting) but then the eye is happy with the result, the tactile surface is pleasant, the customer is satisfied. Good luck, sir!)
Not being rude but a HVLP is not what you just described in this video, what you described was a Suction feed paint gun. A HVLP (High Volume, Low Pressure) gun uses a high volume of air at low pressure to transfer paint to the surface you are painting and a HVLP spray gun is different from an LVLP spray gun (Low Volume Low Pressure). They both have a large hole in the center where the paint comes out of , controlled by the needle which seals against the fluid tip and in front of that you have the air cap which has smaller holes in an arrangement that creates the fan pattern and picks up the paint/ LVLP air caps have slightly smaller holes in the air cap than the HVLP air caps have. You can buy suction feed spray guns and also gravity feed spray guns with LVLP or HVLP air caps. HVLP paint guns give a much better finish off the gun than a airless sprayer, you get far less orange peel from a good HVLP gun IMO
How long did it take to all that masking up ? Probably by the time you masked up I’d of rolled them rooms ,the advantage of spaying is you get more on in less time But can’t be bothered with all the masking needed for spraying unless it’s a big area All the prep all the cleaning up after just to much for me
The ONLY time spraying is worthwhile is when you have large areas of wall to paint. We have just finished Block wall 30m x 4m high, minimal masking at columns between panels , first fix M&E will follow on. much quicker than brush or roller, though touch up after at handover will not matter too much in factory units
I have an Erbauer and I made the school boy error of loosing the seal during clean up. I found however that the paint gun was spitting clumps of paint. Is that because the paint is too thick or too thin?
That’s even in a situation where your paining every wall/ceiling in exactly the same colour, great if your looking for that premium hospital look 🫤 also the protection never comes off 1st time without needing to touch up again, often it pulls off the old paint needing 2 coats again. Also the time to clean all the tools afterwards wow no point for such a small job. I would say this would only apply a painting a whole house where there’s no carpets down and you’re just doing a first coat for finishing coat later by roller and brush.
The stripe on both sides for your test spray means the pressure was too low or your spray tip orifice is too worn. If you cannot turn your pressure up and your tip is not worn, dilute your paint. Turn the pressure up only enough to make the stripes go away. Turning it up much beyond that only results in more overspray. Great video as always! Thank you for sharing!
I have one piece of critical advice about paint sprayers: always make sure you get a model that lets you put two (ideally three) fingers on the trigger. This might seem like a small detail, but with the spring and the vibration, if you use a single finger it'll end up paralysed by the end of the day.
A somewhat less critical piece of advice (for the user), but also pretty important (for the end result): remember that a roller can add or _remove_ paint, while a sprayer can only _add_ paint.
Considering the very thin layer of paint a sprayer puts on, there is not need to worry about paint to remove from a heavy handed application of paint with a roller.
@@AncoraImparoPiper - You've clearly never used a paint sprayer. It's _extremely easy_ to add too much emulsion paint with a spray gun, leading to an "orange peel" effect and even drips. That can happen even with lacquer paint, and emulsion is much worse.
Yeah but you can just use a roller to remove some paint if you have too much paint from a sprayer
@@kanive1566 - Hence why I specifically mentioned that "a roller can remove paint".
@@RFC3514 if you were spraying the inside of a room would you remove all of the furniture from the room or only move it to the center of the room?
The socket piece of paper tip is amazing I never seen it before but will do it
Contrary to the negative posts, I have that Wagner airless sprayer which I use every time I decorate. Granted, I’ve got a Victorian house with large rooms rather than a modern house.
Yes the masking up and clean up takes time but I have found the finish to be excellent with minimal runs and very little miss. Yes, there is some airborne paint but it typically falls to the ground as dry paint dust. I’ve added a whip hose to reduce stress on the wrist and a couple of alternative tips to reduce the width of the spray for smaller areas. Other than mist coating, I add around 10% water to the paint and dial in the pressure from low pressure slowly upwards until there is good overall coverage. Pump armour is your friend as is an outside tap and several buckets of clean water when it comes to clean up.
It’d quite like to see a review of the new Graco drill powered sprayer as a comparison as I’ve got a load of furniture / gloss work jobs coming up where the Wagner would be overkill.
These ProperDIY videos are great. So meticulous and beautifully edited. But, does anyone else think that Stuart has given a great demonstration here of the use of a paint roller?
Perfect. Just what I was looking for. Bought my airless sprayer a few months back but haven't got around to using it yet. I have 3.2 m ceilings that are a pain to paint from a ladder and a roller with extension gets very very heavy to hold once it's full of paint. Plus my ceilings and walls are made from tongue and groove boards, the grooves of which my a roller does not reach so that would entail still climbing up and down a ladder with a brush to finish off the grooved areas. Yes, it will take a lot longer to mask everything off ( mainly floors in my case) compared to a few minutes of spraying. But the spraying will save my neck and body from having to deal with those high ceilings. I've done it the manual way in two bedrooms: never again , those high ceilings are just a huge pain in so many ways. Thanks for all the tips. After the interior, I'll use the sprayer to do the exterior of my timber home.
Sunday 8am, coffee and proper diy. Excellent.
Bit later and tea for me but fully agree
I’m no DIY person but watching your videos has made me want to to get into DIY as you give beautiful tips and ideas to get into this I love it thank you keep up the good work
In our house, it's the wife (me) who does all the painting and DIY.... So if you don't mind..... 😂
Great video as usual. Thanks!
so do you wait until the hubby's out before cleaning things in the kitchen sink - Asking for a friend 😂😂😂
@@andymarriott8150 I usually wait until he's off on a business trip for a few days.... 🤣😂
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Great show mate ,but as a painter and decorator for nearly fifty years i would never use a sprayer inside, all the messing about with masking up and then setting up the spray gun and after ,all the clean up to be done,a nine inch roller sleeve and a two and a half inch brush is more than good enough and will also give you a quality finish depending what state the walls are in , its not critcism mate, a spray does have a roll ,like external walls and fences .i always watch your shows they're unmissable .👍👍👍👍
I totally agree with you. All that faffing about masking up, dressing up and cleaning up takes too long. With a roller and frog tape you can do the average room including the ceiling in a few hours.
"a spray does have a roll" nice one 😉
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As he said, if you have an empty new property and want to knock it out quickly, it's well worth it.
Great episode as always take home message 80% prep 20 % execution
The art of decoration is preparation!!
We used to use pages of old playboy magazines😂
Great demo of using a paint sprayer inside. As a painter and decorator for over 30 years, I spotted straight away the woodwork would be an issue, and need painting after you finished spraying. Personally I would have just cut in with a brush and rolled the walls. Pro and cons with an empty room. Masking takes ages but spraying is much quicker. Never used a spray like that inside before, but would give it a go in the right circumstances.
As someone who has been diying for many years, I've often wondered about these sprayers. As much as I admire your work and the attention to detail, I'm left unconvinced that spraying is for me. The preparation time combined with the clean-up time leaves me thinking I would be faster, and more clean, using a traditional roller or good quality paint pads. That said, I may buy the basic model for use on some fence panels and the outside of my shed. Thank you for the video.
That was really useful information on all the work stages to prepare, spray and clear up. Nice job too.
I have learned that I will always employ a professional decorator.
Thanks for the video. It’s made me appreciate the relaxing painting and rolling I do! I can cut in a whole room in a fraction of the time it takes you to mask up - and I’m not left storing a paint spraying unit.
I wish I had this video a couple years ago. Think all of the things you mentioned would have helped. I only did it for one room - not worth the effort. I did it in the height of summer with full overalls and eye protection and breather mask (bad idea), it literally could not have gone more wrong, I got so hot I took off my overalls was left in my underpants, I then started sticking to the thin sheets, they started to rip, the pressure of the sprayer blew off the adhesive like you mentioned, I literally couldn’t see a thing. It was like something out of a bad comedy sketch 😅
Hi Stuart, thank for another informative video. I am currently doing a lot of re-decorating in our house as it's not currently sunbathing weather. That Frog tape you showed on your earlier video is a game changer, thank you so much for bring that to my attention. A little more expensive, but well worth the extra cost.
I note and concur with your comment about the wife being out when cleaning up. 🙂
Interesting to see so many people in comments who would rather not spray paint. I tend to agree.
In my experience of seeing other people spray paint, it is very quick and effective when painting a whole empty new build, especially if it can be done before second fix carpentry and electrics etc, to minimize the masking required. The coats have to be thinner, so you need more of them. If you need to touch up an area, it's a bit tricky because a roller finish won't match the spray finish. The mist in the air is horrible, even if you're in the house for one minute without a mask, and it tends to settle very finely on everything that isn't covered. I have heard that the super high end sprayers have less excess mist, and are very precise and don't overspray where you don't want to paint, but I have never seen them in use.
Great video as always, but I really couldn’t be doing with all that masking. Give me a roller and a brush any day of the week. Thanks for the great content! 👍
100% agree .. an no 3 hours of cleaning and 3 hours of masking
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Try the roller on my 3.2m ceilings. It gets so heavy with paint so quickly that it becomes a nightmare very quickly. Plus I have tongue and groove ceiling and the roller misses the grooves so up the ladder I go with a brush. Been there, done that, will not do that again. I'd rather mask and spray. If I had an ordinary height plaster ceiling, rolling is fine. Sure.
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You’re putting on too much paint
I’ve never had a problem with rollers on 3Meter+ high ceilings
The Spray systems are only good on new builds . and even then ,,,
My shoulder needs a surgery repair. This will mean I can still work with my other arm but I could never use a brush
Very useful video. Every time I think an airless sprayer would be good for me I watch one of these videos and it convinces me that traditional is best. Good quality brushes, rollers and paint is still the way to go though there's a learning curve to getting good at it. And there's a fraction of the masking/protection effort required.
I've read that these machines are great for repainting kitchen unit doors/ carcasses. I can see it being a good idea for an empty property. Otherwise it's roller and brush for me. Great video !
Timely video! We are at the stage of our build where I need to mist coat fresh plastered walls. No sockets / faceplates / radiators / flooring / doors yet - just backboxes, first fix cables, and screed on the floor, so I only need to mask windows. I too have a handheld Wagner HVLP sprayer but based on this video I'm going to get the Wagner one you suggest. Excellent tips re masking, it's exactly what has been going through my mind as I fall asleep for the last few nights! Cheers
love this episode some very good points made, and ive been umming and awwing for a while on weather to get one, to me this just proved 450-500 quid for a sprayer, 100 quid on semi decent mask plus other PPE at 20-30 quid, 30-50 quid in tape ( probs double that if using frog tape lol ) and sheets every time, plus the huge amounts of prep and faff, then the clean up and strip down of parts, with alot of that being one time use like tape sheets ect, the 600 quid bottom end with added faff just when a decent roller and handle for 20 quid can give pretty damn good results, a thick woven dust/paint sheet 20 quid , roll of frog tape 6 quid all in about 50 quid and can be reused multiple times excluding the tape with out the need for allll the faff and cleaning and paint a large room in under an hour, the misses will be pleased ive decided not to buy one lol .... tip for a nice d.i.y roller cleaner video works a treat too, pvc pipe with holes in one end closed the other end a cap with hose attachment turn tap on walk away come back 10 mins later clean roller leave to dry,
agree, the sprayer is too expensive if you only have a small job
Coffee and toast and Proper DIY - how much better can a morning be. Timely video with the paint sprayer system too as interested in one for home.
Great video Stuart. But there is a great tip that you didn't mention.
The plastic spot board for all the liquids. 👍
Nice tip on the sockets.
If the previous painter didn’t remove the sockets before painting, then running a Stanley blade or screw driver around the edge before hand is a decent way to stop the paint coming away from the wall as well.
Excellent video again with some cracking advice. Having used a slightly larger airless sprayer many times it's quite surprising how fast you can paint a large area, they're fantastic for painting fences too and turn a 4 day job into a 4 hour job.
That came out well. we did the same on the house we live in about 12 years ago all the rooms had been painted red with green woodwork and others in reverse. . We decorated the whole house in a couple of days. in standard issue white ceilings and magnolia walls. just so it was clean and livable. luckily no carpets down at that point which saved a lot of work.
I did spray out my previous industrial workshop with the airless sprayer. that was 1000 Sq foot with 5m eaves all concrete blockwork. So much quicker than a roller in my opinion.
My only complaint as such is the amount of time it takes to mask everything up.
Keep the vidies coming I always enjoy them 👍
Great video thanks!
Now i know i will definitely be sticking to my brush and roller method.
Hi Stuart. Love your videos and your delivery. However you titled this video for “newbie’s”. I was excited being a spray newbie. I’ve always wanted to try spray painting but the only thing that’s held me back is how to prepare the paint, thinning etc.? That was what I was excited to see, but you just said “I needed to thin the paint a little, and then it worked fine”. That’s the missing knowledge I need! Any chance you can do a bit of a deeper look at how and when to thin paint for all types of spray painting? Thanks for all you’ve done.
We did one of our rooms with the exact same unit - it did a great job but boy it was a lot of faff and expense. Plus I found lots of the paint was lost in the tube so a big tub of paint didn't go very far. As your video shows, when finished purging the pipes and the gun results in about 1 pint of un-used paint. Then there's all that landfill plastic to get rid of. The unit now sits in the garage in its box perhaps never to be used again. Chrisstones1249 is bang on correct with his comments.
I am really glad you did this video as I was seriously thinking about getting one of these sprayers but now I have seen the amount of prep and faffing about required along with the cleaning at the end I won’t be buying one and I’ll stick with the traditional methods, thanks again for showing what’s involved
I have used a number of Wagner airless sprayer since the 1970s. They are good BUT, the spray drops are much larger than you get with air sprayers, high and low pressure. You can not, and never will get a great fine cover. The paint layer is thick and prone to runs. For fences, outside walls they are brilliant. The sane rule applies when spraying inside. Be careful when you thin the pain and you will have to. One big advantage of the airless sprayer, there is much less spray floating about in the air.
Don’t mask up as he shows. Put the primary length of masking tape up first. THEN, apply your masking paper.
Does that not depend on the tip?
In re sheeting and floors - I always put down a more traditional cotton sheet first, then the modern sheets over the top. Traditional heavy sheets are your "ultimate" protection, and the modern sheets prevent those getting full of dust, paint etc. I got the bigger brother (350M) of your sprayer for like 50 quid essentially new, opened, but unused. If you know where Amazon send the things that don't sell on marketplace, you know - though I still got lucky because they even still tend go for a lot of money.
One additional tip, run a stanley knife around the edge of the socket before applying the masking tape and unscrewing the socket; often the socket will be painted to the wall and if you don’t cut the paint seal, it’ll pull lumps off the wall when you undo the screws
As you say at the end, unless you have an empty room where the overspray doesn’t matter, its a huge amount of effort to mask up the room - plus the airless sprayers are very expensive so its more of a ‘new build’ tool than one you’ll use regularly.
I’ve got one of those machines and have done my fair share of decorating.
I find the extra prep and big clean up of the pipes are too inconvenient for most single room repaints. Great for freshly plastered rooms when you need to do mist coats and many layers and for large outside areas like the fence. Otherwise it’s just gathering dust.
One tip is you can leave the spray head in a bucket of water overnight if you know you’re going to do another coat the next day. Saves you having to clean it between coats
Hey Stuart, you mentioned the Venturi effect. I bought a 20$ Venturi pump. It is fantastic to pump in the garden. And other crazy jams you get into. No electricity just a garden hose (and water) I bet you know all about this from your career. Might make a good video. This pump saved my backside during my basement replacement project and heavy rains.
I love using a sprayer inside, the finish is much superior than roller and brushes and you can finish the job a lot faster once you get better at masking and include the woodwork too.
Some additional tips:
When masking corners, mitre the tape just by ripping it at an angle, it makes it easier to get a clean corner.
If you are doing a lot of masking, something like a 3M 3000M hand masker can save you a lot of time, and you can buy separate tape and paper.
When spraying the ceiling, spray coats in a cross hatch pattern, when you reach the final coat, it should be perpendicular to the main light source in the room. This shows less flaws.
For small rooms, you don't need such a big sprayer, instead get a small sprayer like the Graco ultra hand held, you'll save a lot of paint using a machine like this.
For trim, coving, skirting etc using a water based paint like AkzoNobel Aqualit paint and a tip like a FFLP 206.
When you have tails, increase the pressure, if you still have tails then you do need to thin the paint.
Don't mix cold water with your paint, mix with hot water instead.
Spray woodwork first, then mask it with a low tack tape like the purple deltec tape. Then spray the walls, then use a drop film big enough for your room and you can paint the ceiling a different colour.
Spat out my coffee at 15:52, so true! I always have to keep my wet rollers in a tied bin bag after a decorating job until my wife's shopping day to give them a good clean at the sink 😂
I've never considered spraying inside. The prep would put me off. Having said that. I mostly spray poly onto furniture I am making/restoring. And to quote you. It takes more time to prep and clean up after than the actual job. But you do get an excellent result.
In my previous experience managing properties, I strongly believe that using a roller would have expedited the process significantly. However, when it comes to the fence outside, opting for a different method would yield much better results.
Yep airless sprayers are fantastic, especially on empty newly plastered rooms. You can coat the whole room with a perfect finish in less than five minutes. Clean up takes no longer than with a bucket and roller in my experience too. The finish is just excellent too. You do need to mask off the window and doors but you would want to anyway in my opinion however you paint it.
Use to spray cars,most of the time is the prep and masking,and polishing and cleaning afterwards. The spraying takes about an hour. Apart from the polishing, it's a similar process doing a room.
Hi Stuart, do you not think it is better to roll immediately after airless spraying?
It will add better the paint on the wall or ceiling.
By the way, which size airless tip you used? I suppose an 517, right?
Got the same kit it’s great. Just the prep and clean up that takes time
Brilliant, ive just swapped out my Wagner HPLV for the Erbaur airless. Intend on using it internally, but also for the fungacide, primer and first coat on our exterior pebbledash!
Great video Stu, interesting point on the Tesa Precision Cover-Up Tape, I never knew it was low-tack I just assumed it was like a proper painters tape in terms of strength. And as for spraying I’d always recommend thinning down the paint by 10% in terms of application and flow through the spray system. But also pump armour is a brilliant product for cleaning the gun out after you’ve done all the water! :)
Thanks Stuart, some great practical tips here regardless of whether you're using a sprayer so, as always, worth the watch despite not being a product on my buy list ! Great reveal of the beautiful sunset over the old hall, I'm sure you planned that too ! 😉
Thanks Excellent vid . Always a treat to watch your vids .
Superb video
Only comment I’d make is that it would be considerably quickly to just use a roller as normal. To the point where I really can’t see any real benefit to spraying in a domestic setting. Factory or large offices maybe
Nice to see the flat again
I agree if place was empty then spraying is the best option. For us weekend DIYers a brush and roller is the best option.
Hi sir Having looked at the price it is quite an investment, so you would have to be doing something major to justify the cost . But I’ve no doubt you get good results , I also understand if you do need to touch an area up you can see the difference because of the texture of spray finish . So presumably you would have to get the spray gun out , but I’m probably being a bit picky. Always enjoy your videos Stuart, and can see the trouble you go to to explain and show every detail . A very enjoyable channel that I never miss . Kind regards as always 👍
I had a new house built and it was spray painted. Problem was it was summer and the paint partialy dried before it hit the wall. When i inspected the 'finished' job it wiped off the sheet rock 'gyprock'. I got them to wipe everything down and paint it with rollers. My next home was also spray painted, it was fantastic.
Good method Stuart but spraying requires perfect surfaces ( walls and ceilings ) as spraying is so fine it will show absolutely every defect . As a tradesman I still prefer good old brushes and rollers and my clients are very happy. Excellent as always 👍
HVLP = High Volume, Low Pressure (not Velocity)
Over recent years i have had various decorators request to use spraying as a painting method but out of all of them only one on a large commercial building was a success, the disasters IMO were those in domestic premises. As noted here it is critical to prepare and protect comprehensively for spraying that inevitably means it takes more time especially, on small rooms and where there are many features doors, windows etc to be protected. On the successful job the areas were large and the masking up simple and limited.
As an example of what happens in the domestic scenario, the decorator had to paint one room with two windows, 2 personnel doors and a set of bi-fold doors. I did not see the prep work but the aftermath of overspray everywhere. A job where a coat of paint using a paintbrush and roller would take say 20-30minutes must have taken much longer plus the three days of cleaning all the overspray and re-touching.
There appears to be a glamour attached to spraying paint instead of using a paint brush and roller that shouldn't be there, a cold hard evaluation of the best process is all that is required. The KISS principle really does apply.
nice video Stuart and the pro tip about the wife being out shopping while you clean things is duly noted and stored away for future use 👌
A worked for a volume builder. We had old style painters and spray painters. All the houses with roller and brush finished well. The spray painters always looked like they needed another coat or two to bring it to reasonable finish.
tip with the pre masking plastic you first add the tape to the wall and then stick the pre masked tape ontop of the tape not the other way round.
Thanks for the video Stuart but I’ll stick with roller and brush.👍👍
What a beautiful sunset and view out that window!
Extremely impressive result but quite a palaver. Looks great fun though!!
I use the 3M hand masker for those taped sheets. Easy to get straight and you can attach your own thicker and better quality masking tape 👍
You need to fill you pump with pump saver os pump protector as storing it with any amount of water inside of it will lead to it failing due to corrosion.
All that prep and setting up and breaking down everything, a roller is faster and a good brush for cutting in and a rag to wipe up paint drips, and an empty room you can go even faster.
Perfect timing again thanks Stuart. A new video to extend my lunch break and avoid returning to today's DIY project.
Shame about all the contrary comments on spray vs brush/roller. You summed up the pros and cons well though, and there's NO doubt about the finish. And now my contrary comment, I love that sheet-on-a-tape stuff (in Oz it comes on an OK dispenser with tear off cutter) and agree it's a poor for edging, but I'd always just done the blue edging first and then put the sheet tape over that. Now THAT must be the most trivial and rediculous qualification or alternate suggestion you've had today? 🙄 Cheers mate!
Great job Stuart 👍👍👍
great video, Silly question but would you do the same masking up, if you was just using roller and brushes etc thanks
Stuart, with a few tweaks, we'll make a sprayer out of you quite soon, making it so much more easier for you, using less paint and less 'bounce back' overspray. Great vid.
I have the same kit, I have a large refurbishment project. The pros… it’s great for cutting in to corners. Brushing always seems to need several coats. Large expansive areas it’s great , as Stuart says the finish is really nice. The CON,s …….. it took us ages to get the dilution correct, boy oh boy it’s a messy job. We were covered in the fine mist. At no point could we deliver the paint as shown in Wagners promotional videos. If I could nail the mixing in a more scientific way,it would have saved a lot of time. I used a wand to reach the corners and ceiling, it’s worked really well. Verdict ……. The jury’s out……… I will be doing a lot more next week. I will report back.
He is a DIY nerd 🤓 that’s why I love his channel 😂
Lovely job, Stewart. I've always wanted to try it , but I can't justifiy the price for whst I would use it for. Thanks for sharing.
By the time you have got the paint consistency right I’ve washed my brush and roller out and I’m in the pub 😜
I think this process would work great with a team of three. One who only does prep, then the sprayer and then the cleaner. The thought of having to do it all myself for the first time makes me think there is a decent chance of a bad result/big mess
Some useful DIY tips there matey.
Great intro to the method, thanks 👍
Great video. Could you go through tips as well as time per room %/ metre squaresd
I like the look of that huge tray you are using at the 11 minute mark. I was making a right mess pouring the paint into my little sprayer when I did my fences. Can I ask where you got it from or did that come with your NEW sprayer?
That looks to be a cement mixing tray. You'll find them in the usual stores, about 20 quid.
You're a funny bugger Stu 😂 love the 'sink/wife' gag
In my grown (40 s) daughters circle the women do all the painting, same in my nieces and nephews family’s. I can’t say they do much other diy other than that but neither do the men. I do projects when I visit. Weird but not uncommon with “kids” nowadays. Not much diy spirit. Too bad, it teaches you a lot of common sense.
Brilliant demonstration 👊
I did mine before my doors went in - best thing ever
Nice work there mate. I'd imagine spraying like that is more suited to industrial buildings or large open spaces , or also for re-finishing kitchen cabinets.....but I loved watching the process involved. Thanks for posting this 👍
Hi, thanks for this video 😊 very informative as usual. Can I ask where you got the mat that you’ve got the Sprayer on in the room? Looks really useful 😎👍
Removing the socket cover and then masking a smaller area around the guts of the socket seems like a beter way to handle power sockets and ligth switches. The masking plate is always larger than the hole and the switches. There will be basically no exposed wiring regardless and you can spray properly under where the masking plate goes.
I have just replaced the light switches in my house. I was loosing my mind trying to get the slightly smaller screws in the back boxes so thought sod it and bought a box of 40mm screws. As I was putting them in I was thinking my future self would thank me when I loosened them off of painting leaving plenty of space to cut behind.
I think in very large room this may be good but for a normal size room all the prep and clean up would counter balance the extra time with a roller.
After I used a whole can of fence paint on a single fence panel I swapped my spray gun for a brush and did the other 8 panels with a second can of paint.
Interesting video!
If you hadn't been filming, how long do you think the whole process of masking up and spraying took you for the whole job?
Thank you.
100% after painted walls,in your situation will need to paint skirting and doors and probably window(if not upvc) to get really nice and fresh look.
How long did the prep work take with having to remove stuff, make it off and cover it ? Yes I get that the painting is going to be a lot quicker than doing it by roller but is it any quicker overall by the time you have finished cleaning the sprayer off
hi stuart. how do you mask if your only painting walls one colour and ceiling another mate ? great video as usual
Thank you dear.
Hello, nice video. So covering the surface takes a long time, but then the first layer is painted quite quickly, after a few hours the second and onward to the new peaks of painting) but then the eye is happy with the result, the tactile surface is pleasant, the customer is satisfied. Good luck, sir!)
Nice video thanks for sharing your experience, 💯
Not being rude but a HVLP is not what you just described in this video, what you described was a Suction feed paint gun. A HVLP (High Volume, Low Pressure) gun uses a high volume of air at low pressure to transfer paint to the surface you are painting and a HVLP spray gun is different from an LVLP spray gun (Low Volume Low Pressure). They both have a large hole in the center where the paint comes out of , controlled by the needle which seals against the fluid tip and in front of that you have the air cap which has smaller holes in an arrangement that creates the fan pattern and picks up the paint/ LVLP air caps have slightly smaller holes in the air cap than the HVLP air caps have. You can buy suction feed spray guns and also gravity feed spray guns with LVLP or HVLP air caps. HVLP paint guns give a much better finish off the gun than a airless sprayer, you get far less orange peel from a good HVLP gun IMO
How long did it take to all that masking up ? Probably by the time you masked up I’d of rolled them rooms ,the advantage of spaying is you get more on in less time
But can’t be bothered with all the masking needed for spraying unless it’s a big area
All the prep all the cleaning up after just to much for me
The ONLY time spraying is worthwhile is when you have large areas of wall to paint. We have just finished Block wall 30m x 4m high, minimal masking at columns between panels , first fix M&E will follow on. much quicker than brush or roller, though touch up after at handover will not matter too much in factory units
I have an Erbauer and I made the school boy error of loosing the seal during clean up. I found however that the paint gun was spitting clumps of paint. Is that because the paint is too thick or too thin?
The builders spray painted one of my flats when it was new. Trying to get emulsion to stick to it afterwards was a nightmare.
Good Morning Trevor,
High Volume not High Velocity. Keep up the good work
Think I'd rather pull out the roller and bucket....lol
That’s even in a situation where your paining every wall/ceiling in exactly the same colour, great if your looking for that premium hospital look 🫤 also the protection never comes off 1st time without needing to touch up again, often it pulls off the old paint needing 2 coats again. Also the time to clean all the tools afterwards wow no point for such a small job. I would say this would only apply a painting a whole house where there’s no carpets down and you’re just doing a first coat for finishing coat later by roller and brush.