Ashes of Creation isn't Just another Empty Sandbox - This is Why

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  • Опубліковано 2 січ 2025

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  • @Narc
    @Narc  6 місяців тому +10

    These are the final clips for this month! Hope you enjoyed and I know uploads have slowed down a little as of late!
    I am expecting big reveals this month so i am preparing myself for that as we'll have plenty to talk about in the coming weeks now that Ashes of Creation have announced their upcoming Server Meshing Preview! Come follow the stream: www.twitch.tv/Narciverse

    • @muteunmute5902
      @muteunmute5902 6 місяців тому

      Many years mmorpg gamer here, I just recently discovered your channel and I must say I love listening to your takes on things and your ideas!! Great video, I'm so hopeful for Ashes of Creation.

  • @glitchilix
    @glitchilix 6 місяців тому +10

    it would be cool if mayor can make task : "Go and clean the mines of moria the production of stone stopped." you clear the mine and the production restarts giving node again production, or maybe if it is infected or colapsed player get task to remove debries or enemies and bring it back to normal 100% production rate or even request players to gather # of stone and you get request to go gather them to bring back for reward

    • @thomkok12
      @thomkok12 6 місяців тому +1

      I would like to add an additional idea. If you improve the quality of resource gathering in some way. You might increase the production rate above 100%. Upgrading or adding temporary resources to increase the gathering temporarily might be fun too.

  • @Glundberg84
    @Glundberg84 6 місяців тому +4

    That rogue idea was golden! Really hope that will be a thing. As you state, this idea is built upon already existing systems, and that is what makes it so strong. I must add that you had several great suggestions in this video, I feel it's one of your best ones. :)

  • @shadowforgedgamerz520
    @shadowforgedgamerz520 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey Mate, that idea of the Treasury Guards was pretty spot on with what I was thinking! I totally agree they should set that up, it would look wicked!

  • @lionelwhiskerknot
    @lionelwhiskerknot 6 місяців тому +9

    They should make gag Wanted Posters of all the major AoC UA-camrs.

  • @sage142111
    @sage142111 6 місяців тому +2

    They should add a scryer profession that can use special equipment in a science or magic node (depending on how the scrying is done) to look far away. This could be in the form of looking at other node stats to using an ability like eye of the hawk in wow to look at any region/dungeon from far away. This could even be used to spot world bosses from far away. These scryers could also be used on large ships in the crows nest.

  • @demoral3030
    @demoral3030 6 місяців тому +1

    This game will have the same problems as its predecessors:
    - Nodes and highly sought after areas will be taken over by massive guilds & bots
    - If you are a solo player (like me) you will NEVER experience most of the content the game has to offer
    - After few months the game releases players will find out the most meta builds, races and classes. Meaning that they will only accept these meta built characters in raids, events etc
    - Servers will be overloaded during the first months because of streamers and other cancerous media influencers
    - Marketplace will eventually be controlled by massive guilds & bots signaling the final downward spiral
    MMO's just don't work.

  • @Krieghandt
    @Krieghandt 6 місяців тому +1

    On your second question, AoC can see from how many chose to defend the node, how difficult to make the attack, and lower it when fewer defenders are on line, and crank it up when there are more available.

  • @davidsumpter4933
    @davidsumpter4933 6 місяців тому

    I remember the mention of node mouse-overs on the map. The information mentioned was node level, type, citizen numbers, main focus, and treasury numbers.

  • @JakeyEX
    @JakeyEX 6 місяців тому

    The rogue and stock warehouse idea sounds really neat. Would love to see all classes get some sort of really interesting class fantasy minigame that can be utilized similarly across ashes many base systems

  • @thomkok12
    @thomkok12 6 місяців тому +1

    I would like for ashes of creation to look at a specific game I love dearly for the resource gatering and production gameplay. The Settlers 7 has the most complex version of resource gathering and production of all the settlers games currently. I would like it to have this kind of economic depth in this MMO. Needing woodcutters -> sawmills to create planks for building materials, miners/stonecutters -> for stone blocks, so you are able to go in more depth with that material as well. Food (to improve production percentages or some survival benefits maybe). Ores to smelt (smelt coins or tools/weapons). Needing storehous(s) to store the resources needed for the city as mentioned in the video. The mayor this way would be managing the city in more detail this way too. Trying to manage the resource and production paths and keeping productivity high. I would be jealous not to be a mayor if that would be the case.

  • @jamesdavies2042
    @jamesdavies2042 6 місяців тому

    In regards to the need to defend goblins, possibly a threshold of difficulty/ numbers of attackers is pre determined but if the defenders over defend, the numbers are increased to create a more difficult engagement, potentially this increases rewards too. Just a quick idea:)

  • @LethalHips
    @LethalHips 6 місяців тому

    For the goblin attack you can reward the player for a successful goblin defense, give them a token they can turn into the board for the equivalent of a job board task

  • @irishijo1
    @irishijo1 6 місяців тому +1

    On the topic of "Rich get richer" mechanics:
    I dont think they Mayor having a flying mount is one of those, if only because the biggest source of profit shown so far are the caravans, which cant fly or be towed by a flying mount. The flying mount is probably there moreso for political purposes, like meeting someone across a large distance to discuss a treaty or something. Or to act as a sort of shocktrooper, patroling to help their citizens out of a jam or that kind of thing.
    I think mayors are supposed to be the "Richest", but they also dont get to use their riches for themselves as much as a standard player. The Mayor has to ensure that production isnt faultering, that bandits are taken care of, that quests are going out to players, that buildings are being upgraded and upkept, they have to organize supply routes and politic with nearby nodes. They dont just log in and go questing, killing, and chilling like most players.

    • @JaydedWun
      @JaydedWun 6 місяців тому

      Unfortunately most gamers are economically illiterate

  • @dyrtybarstud5261
    @dyrtybarstud5261 6 місяців тому

    The intensity of a coin monster coin attack should be fairly easy to manage. Im sure a simple calculation of players in zone , levels of said players and the node level would allow the devs to maintain a 24 hr or longer event at whatever intensity they desire. Modern server tech is moving ever closer to these kind of events being managed relative to players online in real time.

  • @LlewdLloyd
    @LlewdLloyd 6 місяців тому

    It's hilarious that Narc is talking in-depth systems and Steven's in chant just typing "FAWNT"

  • @jamesdavies2042
    @jamesdavies2042 6 місяців тому

    Moreover, if the rouge does the espionage, they receive a debuff where if they die it’s really fucking bad, that way, interrogating them capturing them and ransoming them over could be much more organic, maybe the debuff extends to the home people in some way.

  • @TheToledoTrumpton
    @TheToledoTrumpton 6 місяців тому

    Not just very few players will be mayors, what % of player will ever be a citizen in a level 6 node?
    You remember after about 3 years of WoW, we were amazed when Blizzard released information that less than 10% of players had ever set foot in MC. People forget how difficult WoW was when it first came out, without add-ons, and most everybody completely unfamiliar with the genre. I started in January 2005 and I didn't get to 60 until September. It was 2006 before I got fully geared in blues ready to take on UBRS/Onyxia, finding a guild and start attunement for MC.
    If Intrepid can make levelling up and PvE, genuinely difficult again, then PvP will also be genuinely fun again. I hope getting a node to the point a raid becomes available, is going to be both a challenge from a PvE and PvP perspective, and one that a lot of players will struggle to achieve.
    I am not a good player, and I don't need the challenge of being mayor, or having a flying mount. I will get more than enough enjoyment from just setting foot in a raid, or being a citizen with a freehold in a decent level node.

  • @PhurPher
    @PhurPher 6 місяців тому +1

    I don't know about "extremely difficult", I'm just more concerned that there is a significant impact if your node fails to defend. Maybe they build their forces outside the node slowly, sending in periodic waves(every day), until eventually your node is just destroyed or you clear them out(clearing them out should be extremely difficult, i.e. commanders that stay in the camp are elite minibosses)
    It would add not to the strategy of sieges(if the invasions aren't at a set time anyways), but it would add to the interest. "oh shit, our siege is starting and they've already under attack!"

  • @rayman17420
    @rayman17420 6 місяців тому

    Id love to be able to make a thieves, assassins or even spy/espionage/sabotage focused rogues guild. Some more hard core guilds could expand outside their own nodes and become an actual world level power that exists outside the node system.
    Start by creating multi node infirmation networks for political info and espionage and help members fet into key positions. Imo it would be pretty sick, rogues from various nodes working together to try and wield power from behind the scenes. Maybe have a few run for mayor (obvs without anyone in the node knowing the candidates allegiance is to the guild not the node). Probably going outside the worlds parameters with this line of thought.

  • @joelperry2834
    @joelperry2834 6 місяців тому

    the rogues for the storehouse mini game idea should also be skill based, so not any rogue could do it. Also it should be a mayoral quest that has to be given... maybe tie it in to the monster coin system. you could initiate a monster coin raid to cover up the rogue espionage.

  • @KnightsTempura
    @KnightsTempura 6 місяців тому +3

    This game will never be complete, its just wont happen, Sharrif promised too much. guess we just pray for a kr mmo with western designed systems.

  • @heavyhebrew
    @heavyhebrew 6 місяців тому +4

    I was thirsty for a cope-a-cola, and along came the premier dealer in copium drinks, Narc. how ya doing, buddy?
    I think Narc is like that last Imperial Japanese soldier stationed on an island, still holding his position, waiting for new orders long after the war he was fighting was over.
    AoC is going to come out someday, Narc says, as he stares into the middle distance at a future only he can see.
    He sips more cope-a-cola
    Yeah, someday.

  • @lukeit7949
    @lukeit7949 6 місяців тому +11

    Really don't enjoy narcs videos anymore, since he's just using his twitch streams.

    • @johnfleischli7627
      @johnfleischli7627 6 місяців тому

      Pretty sure his normal videos come out at the same pace, now there is just more from the streams.

  • @jebidyah
    @jebidyah 6 місяців тому

    rogue espionage and stockpile warehouse gameplay sounds really good.

  • @heavyhebrew
    @heavyhebrew 6 місяців тому +4

    Why do I have this idea some nodes are going to become like an HOA?

  • @EmperorRaom
    @EmperorRaom 6 місяців тому

    why not player made quest board and it can be made by officers and the mayor ofcourse, where they put the mission + the reward from the city storage or their own, that can make the game Sooooo Alive

  • @xhazlas2572
    @xhazlas2572 6 місяців тому

    I feel like the major system should allow different ways of government. If you make a mayor lvling system you get a monarchy or oligarchy. I want weird nodes that get different systrems like some guild of friends that elect the player that has more nut food items in their bag as a mayor

    • @Xcyper33
      @Xcyper33 6 місяців тому

      Communist node, WHEN?!

  • @Drukalnn
    @Drukalnn 6 місяців тому

    How do you feel about FATES in FFXIV? I think those have good potential as a basis for a system regarding commissions

  • @BaxxyNut
    @BaxxyNut 6 місяців тому

    I just want to play the game. I want something to sink time into that doesn't feel like a waste

  • @Erock634
    @Erock634 6 місяців тому

    Mayor's should have to send scouts out to get them info which should lead to decisions on mayor missions

  • @Tri-WestSecurityDispatch
    @Tri-WestSecurityDispatch 6 місяців тому

    didnt new world dabble in a system very similar to this mayoral one in aoc?

  • @heldervarino9132
    @heldervarino9132 6 місяців тому

    I love the ideia of having spys! if they could add mechanics similar as you described it would be amazing!

  • @Tilley53
    @Tilley53 6 місяців тому

    I agree with the specific materials take, it would drive economy during war times just like real life 🤔

  • @yungsofa8084
    @yungsofa8084 6 місяців тому

    very good idea for rogue mini games. specs should have little mini games like that

  • @anthonyscott3659
    @anthonyscott3659 6 місяців тому

    Awesome..... I hate how "sandbox" became just empty contentless building games .... UO was a sandbox yet still had content and npc cities etc ! I miss those MMO days when I could just go buy a new sword without hours of crafting

  • @AlexanderLeister
    @AlexanderLeister 6 місяців тому

    At the moment, AoC is one thing: Still not released. Let's hope it turns out good.

  • @blahblahgdp
    @blahblahgdp 6 місяців тому +1

    Did they talk about how they are gonna handle cheating? Usually games like this turn pretty souronce the cheaters just start dominating

    • @Krieghandt
      @Krieghandt 6 місяців тому +1

      Which type of cheater? And Steven has said he will hire GMs to hunt down and perma-ban cheaters.

    • @lionelwhiskerknot
      @lionelwhiskerknot 6 місяців тому +1

      You could do something fun. For minor cheaters you could put a month of constantly being flagged for PvP and people don't gain corruption for attacking the cheater on sight. Maybe make a town square where cheaters have to spend a few real life hours in the stocks before they can play the character again. Players can throw rotten fruit at them or something.

    • @righteous7788
      @righteous7788 6 місяців тому

      @@lionelwhiskerknot I think encouraging any form of publicity for a cheater would form a positive reward loop that would make cheaters see who could get the coolest punishment, which might not be a good thing. They should just get banned and have all their loot drop onto the ground

    • @lionelwhiskerknot
      @lionelwhiskerknot 6 місяців тому +1

      @@righteous7788 I suppose that is true as well.

  • @illbean1337
    @illbean1337 6 місяців тому

    One thing I was thinking about regarding mayorship and such. Since you probably want an active mayor, someone who's playing the game constantly, someone who's active with the community of the node. Wouldn't it make sense to have a contentcreator be a mayor of a node?
    Lets take this a step further. Would it be OK for a mayor to start requesting real-life donations to make up for money lost at work becuase you're playing Ashes of Creation? So you start getting paid for playing the game and being a really great mayor, would that even be allowed? Is that considered P2W?

  • @JaydedWun
    @JaydedWun 6 місяців тому

    "Rich get richer mechanics" are exactly the number one problem this game will be running into 1 -2 years into it's release cycle. It happens to every. single. MMO. Why? Because every MMO just copy/pastes modern econonomic functions from the real world - a fundamentally severely broken system - into their games. Then when the exact same thing happens to every MMO that happens in real life - market concentration, wealth inequality and then hoarding and inflation - they throw up their hands and say "who could have predicted this!"

  • @Throwbaq
    @Throwbaq 6 місяців тому +1

    When can we crowd fund you a setup that will get you uploading in 4k :D
    Thanks for another great upload!

  • @Janman1988
    @Janman1988 6 місяців тому

    Came for the cope, stayed for the conspiracy theories! But jokes aside, thanks for ur updates Narc - it would be so much to research myself.

  • @Penguen007
    @Penguen007 6 місяців тому

    Isn't there content about Ashes of Creation that can only be made before Alpha 2 comes out, that would be meaningless after it comes out? The type of content that only Narc can make? Why doesn't he make them?
    I don't know. I just miss the old Narc. The Narc before this current one. Before the one that only speaks to chat. I miss the one that adresses me directly. The one that both existed as a UA-camr, and also a sci-fi spaceship captain at the same time. But I feel like that Narc ran out of motivation in a hardcore way. And what he's doing now might just be low maintainance on purpose, so that he doesn't completely deplete his motivation.
    But it is also true that this state of him causes the followers of the game to run out of copium. He just doesn't deal nearly the same purity anymore.
    I just miss the skits man. Many of us do. But I know he wasn't rewarded for making them...

  • @-CrimsonReD-
    @-CrimsonReD- 6 місяців тому

    i'm gonna have to agree, new world town board idea sucks. how about an official office that has commissions presented by an npc for a little bit more immersion one for common crap and one for mayor specified jobs. and each time you get more slots as the mayor, per what you were thinking, you would have to build it up (so it goes from some npc standing behind a crate to an npc sitting behind a large desk) ... so yea, boards suck. and while we're at it, how about town criers.

  • @Talix.
    @Talix. 6 місяців тому +1

    Crank that copium to 100! 😂

  • @ostrogothiccyoutube8118
    @ostrogothiccyoutube8118 6 місяців тому

    ty

  • @johndoe-qo8cy
    @johndoe-qo8cy 6 місяців тому +1

    @13:29 And this is how fascism starts. :p

  • @Rcprobot
    @Rcprobot 6 місяців тому

    Still a couple years out at least on this game

  • @SonySteals
    @SonySteals 6 місяців тому +17

    At this point Ashes of Creation isn’t pretty much anything

    • @Nobody-dc8dp
      @Nobody-dc8dp 6 місяців тому +1

      Their site doesn't even have classes or races. Seems like a scam.

    • @DoomWarrior55
      @DoomWarrior55 6 місяців тому

      @@Nobody-dc8dplook up the ashes of creation wiki it has everything you are looking for plus sources

    • @UnrivaledGH
      @UnrivaledGH 6 місяців тому

      Literally doesn’t exist

    • @trojancs16
      @trojancs16 6 місяців тому +1

      The alpha has lasted practically 9 years XD

    • @patrick-p8g8m
      @patrick-p8g8m 6 місяців тому

      Scam 💯

  • @joeypwns
    @joeypwns 6 місяців тому

    Brother what the fuck was that 480p game footage you played in the beginning??? Don't do that it hurts my eyes!

  • @Whisperfall
    @Whisperfall 6 місяців тому +2

    Mortal online 2, an mmorpg that both exist and is the purest sandbox of sandboxes. 🎉

    • @yungsofa8084
      @yungsofa8084 6 місяців тому

      see i tried but the combat is very boring and for me the vfx for magic is somthing straight from the 90s. i just cant feel immersed in that game at all

    • @joshuawyatt4737
      @joshuawyatt4737 6 місяців тому

      Yeah, we all tried playing it, but the sweaty neckbeards chased all the casuals away. MO2 desperately needs a corruption system.

    • @Whisperfall
      @Whisperfall 6 місяців тому

      ​@yungsofa8084 yeah, if you know nothing about weapon acceleration it'd feel pretty garbage for sure.

    • @Whisperfall
      @Whisperfall 6 місяців тому

      ​​@@joshuawyatt4737players who kill other players a lot go red and are free to kill in town or wherever without consequence. And you can roll bounties on them to hunt them down and bring their head back for money and rep. If you're red you're in a permanent state of fear and risk. Because people are coming for you. Those red players then get pushed out into the east with the other grifers and have to visit lawless cities like Kranesh.

    • @Whisperfall
      @Whisperfall 6 місяців тому

      ​@@joshuawyatt4737Players who PK a lot go red and are free to murder in town or otherwise. Red players tend to get pushed out east where the other griefers are and have to go to lawless red towns like kranesh.

  • @Wholesome_Fries
    @Wholesome_Fries 6 місяців тому

    Turns out that rogue was just playing around and u war over nothing

  • @pipz420
    @pipz420 6 місяців тому

    Check out Tales of Shadowlands a new mmo from brazil.

  • @safermonk
    @safermonk 6 місяців тому

    Flying mount good! only mayors

  • @TheUnknownDoc
    @TheUnknownDoc 6 місяців тому

    unpopular opinion i prefer a system like older MMO preplaced house in city .. im not in too " oh look i can see this amazing land because every inch of it there is a structure . i Pass for the same reason Pax dei and Rust

  • @RealityDysfunction85
    @RealityDysfunction85 6 місяців тому

    This game will 100% wind up and empty sandbox.

    • @stickyrubb
      @stickyrubb 6 місяців тому

      Any reason for this?

    • @RealityDysfunction85
      @RealityDysfunction85 6 місяців тому

      @@stickyrubb all mmos like this end up that way, why do you think one is special or different is the question

    • @stickyrubb
      @stickyrubb 6 місяців тому

      @@RealityDysfunction85 Because AoC clearly showcases features that many players would like to explore. If you look at the blueprint for the game it's easy to see why people have shown their interest.

  • @echo5827
    @echo5827 6 місяців тому

    Gamer outrage at an all time high. Gay gamers got too comfortable in public, I blame twitch. So much BS around everything gaming, when it's just supposed to be fun

  • @jeremypetit3118
    @jeremypetit3118 6 місяців тому +2

    Ashe of création gonna fail just Because he dont have a economic system like BDO, so 1 billions Bots gonna come gold seller etc and thé game gonna Die like every other mmo

  • @sethisansestorofsatan9477
    @sethisansestorofsatan9477 6 місяців тому

    dude wants to play mmorpg as 4k strategy

  • @silastennant7001
    @silastennant7001 6 місяців тому

    Narc guess what

  • @XiAMDaBestX
    @XiAMDaBestX 6 місяців тому

    Yo Narc can I get an A2 key 🔑 🤔

  • @Onkuty
    @Onkuty 6 місяців тому +1

    Pax Dei is amazing. I'm having a great time playing solo

  • @an2c615
    @an2c615 6 місяців тому

    See how there's no more releases about character creation? That's because female models will be woke and boring

  • @Dedgeo
    @Dedgeo 6 місяців тому

    U should make creampies on ypur next live stream

  • @fritchim5765
    @fritchim5765 6 місяців тому

    noice

  • @Scanini
    @Scanini 6 місяців тому

    Pax Dei is great, just devoid of the tools needed to create the content they want us to create

  • @Max9string
    @Max9string 6 місяців тому

    looks bad, looks like Tera, Tera looked good 20 years a go.

  • @goodboy-vo5ju
    @goodboy-vo5ju 3 місяці тому