hmmm No, our recipe is 22.5g dose, in a 4oz or 6oz you can split this as a normale 2:1 ratio so thats 45g liquid or 22.5g in each cup. the 8oz is a ristretto 1 to 1 ratio so its 22.5g, the 12oz is a 2 to 1 or 45g, the 16oz is 45g + 22.5g
Great video. My current cafe is offering 2 shots for 16 oz , 1 shot for 8 oz. I hardly see the colour of the coffee as they appear too milky to me after mixing with milk.
i never return to cafes that do shots like that, there should be no size choice of espresso based coffee drinks. I find that a couple coffee shops in my local area make the drinks correctly the rest are not tasting as I expect them to mostly too milky because they use cups that are too large for the drink
Is it possible make a 58.5mm group head and basket with the depth to accommodate 25-30g of coffee (or however much it works out to be for a 16 ounce) so that you don’t have to split and you can pump them out even faster ?
I’m no barista in a shop that has to make drinks that will meet customers expectations but it all depends to me on the roast level and dose of the coffee, on any cup size a single, double or double ristretto can be too strong or too weak unless I use a huge mug.
That's a good question. We don't use a 10oz cup so if we were to use one we would have to experiment with our recipe to ensure the flavour remained consistent with the other cup sizes we offered.
yes, the term double shot is the same as what we call a normale in our recipes, the double ristretto is a 1:1 ratio so 22.5g dose with a 22.5g espresso the double shot is 2:1 45g espresso
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters thanks for the reply. So when you say a double ristretto, you pour two ristretto shots into one cup? That doesn't seems right 🤔
We do 2 shots in our 16 oz to cave in to customers who want much sweeter/milkier coffees (located in US). In most US shops, a 16 oz has 2 shots. To a lot, itz perfect, because they're used to much sweeter and milkier drinks. However, for true coffee enthusiasts, we make it clear that our 12 oz is a perfect balance. It's a system I partially disagree with, but business is good on both fronts, so whatever.
It’s confusing that you use “double shot” and “double ristretto” interchangeably. Also with one shot and one double shot. As I’ve learned from your videos I understand: Double shot 1:2 Split double shot 1:2 / 2 Ristretto 1:1 Double Ristretto 1:1 x2
Yes it was hard to explain what we do and what people know it as, watch again an I’m sure it will make sense after confirming your message info. Cheers luke
Hey there, thx for the video first. I am just wondering if it is acceptable to use a bigger basket for a bigger size cup? Well, the problem with this practice obviously is that you will not be able to adjust the grind size for the bigger basket. With that said, I do wonder why on most grinders there are usually grind pause settings for two or even three doses. Are these settings for different size baskets?
Yes different buttons will dose different grind volumes, however you do need to adjust grind as you get a larger dose so it would be hard to have one that fits all
One thing I'm confused about is i know a ristretto is pulled quicker and getting more strength. But is a regular double 1:2 more than a double ristretto 1:1?
Question I know you don’t get into it but would you say 2 double shots in 20oz only asking bc I’m in USA and yea they don’t use right amount but I also want offer what most buy which are 16 and 20oz I don’t agree but that’s how it is here what would u say as far 20oz
No mention of what has been ordered? Flat white very different to CafeLatte different again to cappuccino. How many shots in a 12oz latte, flat white, cappuccino, or cortado!?
They have a video explaining their coffee recipes for those drinks "Coffee Menu Explained What the most common coffees are and how to make them". I recomend watching that video it is very detailed
its not different on a takeaway cup as the size is the same for all drinks, this is accepted in OZ, but in dine in the cup size changes for Latte, cap, Long blacks
Does that mean that in Oz one does not ask for a take away Flat White or take away Cappuccino? Only for a take away coffee? As a new to the business coffee shop owner in the UK this seems… odd!
Sorry, I’m a bit confused. If I understand correctly you use a ristretto for an 8oz drink, but isn’t a ristretto a stronger tasting shot than a standard double? If so, wouldn’t you want the double ristretto in the 12 and the standard shot in the 8?
As it will taste thin and more bitter. It’s not what we like to go here in Australia. It will not taste similar to the smaller sizes when you change the recipe just for a larger cup. It means all the espresso is the same ratio
please l need your help so l if l use 30-32 double sot espresso frome15-16gm beans.1:2 ratio for office bosses and the beans is arabica brand but beans name (itupia)saudi so 30-32 espresoo how much cup is good tell me about ml please then l can understand
Takeaway cups are categorised by their fluid ounce capacity but cups are sold according to their capacity in millilitres. Coffee and yield is measured in grams as well. So why are takeaway cups the exception?
being milky is very subjective, I run cafe business. Here at my location, they prefer milky coffee which quite disappointing as a coffee lover my customer not able to appreciate the flavour of the coffee
Are you in the US? I've noticed here that a lot of shops like to do 2 shots in 16 oz. For true coffee enthusiasts, that's way too sweet. For those used to Starbucks, it's much better. At my shop, we do 2 shots in both 12 oz and 16 oz. If somebody wants a slightly sweet drink, but also is deeply interested in the coffee, we offer 12 oz or 16oz with 3 shots. If somebody wants it a lot sweeter, we recommend just a plain 16 oz.
Have any cafes or coffee places put a "recommended" size next to their coffees, or the number of shots in each cup? I have to admit I have not noticed if anyone does, but nor have I looked, really...
What about using a much bigger basket, like a 24g and running a "triple" in one go? I find those 500ml cups to slow the flow down too much to even have them on my menu.
When you say split shot are you referring to a single shot. So the 16oz would be 3 shots in total? I work at Starbucks I never get the 24oz because of the milk espresso ration lol 😂
Bloody Zaraffas! I stop in there maybe once every 2 years when I forget how garbage their coffee is and get that 16 ounce they have ... and every single time its milkier than Casper the Ghost even with an 'extra shot' ...
Thank you so much once again!
Recap for medium roast
16oz = 45cl (double shot + single shot, 45g + 22.5g)
12oz = 34cl (double shot, 45g)
8oz = 23cl (ristretto, 22.5g)
6oz = 17cl (single shot, 22.5g)
4oz = 11cl (single shot, 22.5g)
What is cl
@@beyondfshn2844 a centiliter. 1 cl=10ml. 30 mL=1 fl oz.
hmmm No, our recipe is 22.5g dose, in a 4oz or 6oz you can split this as a normale 2:1 ratio so thats 45g liquid or 22.5g in each cup. the 8oz is a ristretto 1 to 1 ratio so its 22.5g, the 12oz is a 2 to 1 or 45g, the 16oz is 45g + 22.5g
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Oh sorry! I'm french ahaha... I update my answer right now!
@@beyondfshn2844 1cl is 10ml
Great video. My current cafe is offering 2 shots for 16 oz , 1 shot for 8 oz. I hardly see the colour of the coffee as they appear too milky to me after mixing with milk.
so sad, 😥 share this video with them
i never return to cafes that do shots like that, there should be no size choice of espresso based coffee drinks. I find that a couple coffee shops in my local area make the drinks correctly the rest are not tasting as I expect them to mostly too milky because they use cups that are too large for the drink
I've only ever come across a few cafes with great tasting coffee and being not too milky
Yea it can be a challenge, some are too strong and bitter or it’s milky
Been looking for this guide. Very helpful for my future coffee shop thanks! 😊
Glad it was helpful there is plenty of content on the channel to help you open the shop.
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoastershi could you please advise if I can put double shot of 18G from my breville express machine into 8 oz cup?
Cheers!
Is it possible make a 58.5mm group head and basket with the depth to accommodate 25-30g of coffee (or however much it works out to be for a 16 ounce) so that you don’t have to split and you can pump them out even faster ?
I’m no barista in a shop that has to make drinks that will meet customers expectations but it all depends to me on the roast level and dose of the coffee, on any cup size a single, double or double ristretto can be too strong or too weak unless I use a huge mug.
Hi , what about 10oz cup? How much coffee use and what kind of shot? And how much milk ?
That's a good question. We don't use a 10oz cup so if we were to use one we would have to experiment with our recipe to ensure the flavour remained consistent with the other cup sizes we offered.
Great stuff Luke. Thanks. One question: you mentioned double shot and double ristretto. Is there a distinction between the two?
Watch their video on what a ristretto is.
yes, the term double shot is the same as what we call a normale in our recipes, the double ristretto is a 1:1 ratio so 22.5g dose with a 22.5g espresso the double shot is 2:1 45g espresso
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters thanks for the reply. So when you say a double ristretto, you pour two ristretto shots into one cup? That doesn't seems right 🤔
@@babackd.6485 it's to get a stronger flavour for the same amount of coffee into the cup - is my understanding ;)
@@OldFellaDave the thing is, I don't recall seeing them do that in the menu video where Jimmy makes all the coffees they serve
Thanks for this new very helpful video. Great content once again!
cheers
We do 2 shots in our 16 oz to cave in to customers who want much sweeter/milkier coffees (located in US). In most US shops, a 16 oz has 2 shots. To a lot, itz perfect, because they're used to much sweeter and milkier drinks. However, for true coffee enthusiasts, we make it clear that our 12 oz is a perfect balance. It's a system I partially disagree with, but business is good on both fronts, so whatever.
Even when they are wrong, the customer is always right!
thanks for the info, yes the customer is always right, that's the recipe for sure to suit that customer, its also very profitable
It’s confusing that you use “double shot” and “double ristretto” interchangeably. Also with one shot and one double shot.
As I’ve learned from your videos I understand:
Double shot 1:2
Split double shot 1:2 / 2
Ristretto 1:1
Double Ristretto 1:1 x2
Yes it was hard to explain what we do and what people know it as, watch again an I’m sure it will make sense after confirming your message info. Cheers luke
thanks, was very helpful
cheers from Mexico
thank you for watching. Cheers Luke
Hey there, thx for the video first. I am just wondering if it is acceptable to use a bigger basket for a bigger size cup? Well, the problem with this practice obviously is that you will not be able to adjust the grind size for the bigger basket. With that said, I do wonder why on most grinders there are usually grind pause settings for two or even three doses. Are these settings for different size baskets?
Yes different buttons will dose different grind volumes, however you do need to adjust grind as you get a larger dose so it would be hard to have one that fits all
Thank you that is very helpful I learned a lot from your videos
Glad to hear it!
One thing I'm confused about is i know a ristretto is pulled quicker and getting more strength. But is a regular double 1:2 more than a double ristretto 1:1?
Yes it it, it’s a larger about of water passes thru the same coffee, so the ristretto is a more concentrated smaller volume espresso. Cheers luke
My machine come with 18-19gr double basket. Should i buy another basket with 22gr like vst or ims? Or just try the best of the original one?
If you can afford to upgrade the flow of water will be more consistent, so ideal if you can
agree, many milk drink are just not strong enough, way too milky and mild...I like to max out on the shots.
just what i was wondering too. thanks
Glad to help
Awesome video! Thanks Guys!
cheers glad you liked it
Great information. Could you actually make a video of you demonstrating and making the drinks? I’m a visual learner 😂😊
Question I know you don’t get into it but would you say 2 double shots in 20oz only asking bc I’m in USA and yea they don’t use right amount but I also want offer what most buy which are 16 and 20oz I don’t agree but that’s how it is here what would u say as far 20oz
Thanks for the info! Do you plan to make a cute little infographic to go along with this as a quick reference guide?
Eventually, as its being asked for. stay tuned
So glade finally made this video I recommend it so many times I which though I could supply me in USA
i can't believe this video is tracking so well, did i hit a sore point for baristas and coffee consumers?
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters not sure but I always watch your videos in USA as baristas and shops here got it all wrong
No mention of what has been ordered? Flat white very different to CafeLatte different again to cappuccino.
How many shots in a 12oz latte, flat white, cappuccino, or cortado!?
They have a video explaining their coffee recipes for those drinks "Coffee Menu Explained What the most common coffees are and how to make them". I recomend watching that video it is very detailed
its not different on a takeaway cup as the size is the same for all drinks, this is accepted in OZ, but in dine in the cup size changes for Latte, cap, Long blacks
Does that mean that in Oz one does not ask for a take away Flat White or take away Cappuccino? Only for a take away coffee?
As a new to the business coffee shop owner in the UK this seems… odd!
270ml ( 9 oz )cappucino cup . how much coffee use ? & what kind of shot ? how much milk to steam and add ?
Sorry, I’m a bit confused. If I understand correctly you use a ristretto for an 8oz drink, but isn’t a ristretto a stronger tasting shot than a standard double? If so, wouldn’t you want the double ristretto in the 12 and the standard shot in the 8?
It is confusing but no, a full double normale is more liquid therefore stronger than a double ristretto.
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters got it. Thank you!
Questions why not pull a Lungo for the 16oz?
As it will taste thin and more bitter. It’s not what we like to go here in Australia. It will not taste similar to the smaller sizes when you change the recipe just for a larger cup. It means all the espresso is the same ratio
What makes a double ris same amount of g in just less out right what would be a good start for a double ris for 53mm at 20g in
Can you make pdf file of this to share like u did for cold drink menu but for size cups
i will add it to the list.
please l need your help so l if l use 30-32 double sot espresso frome15-16gm beans.1:2 ratio for office bosses and the beans is arabica brand but beans name (itupia)saudi so 30-32 espresoo how much cup is good tell me about ml please then l can understand
Takeaway cups are categorised by their fluid ounce capacity but cups are sold according to their capacity in millilitres. Coffee and yield is measured in grams as well. So why are takeaway cups the exception?
yes, it still form the suppliers calling them the OZ its really hard for us in Australia, if only all suppliers would change to ml we would be happy
Those cups don’t have handles?
being milky is very subjective, I run cafe business. Here at my location, they prefer milky coffee which quite disappointing as a coffee lover my customer not able to appreciate the flavour of the coffee
It will change in 5 years. South east asia always late 5 year behind in trend 😁
Are you in the US? I've noticed here that a lot of shops like to do 2 shots in 16 oz. For true coffee enthusiasts, that's way too sweet. For those used to Starbucks, it's much better. At my shop, we do 2 shots in both 12 oz and 16 oz. If somebody wants a slightly sweet drink, but also is deeply interested in the coffee, we offer 12 oz or 16oz with 3 shots. If somebody wants it a lot sweeter, we recommend just a plain 16 oz.
@@Doobency nope, based in Malaysia
it sound like Australia about 5 years ago, very milky coffee, but we can not serve ti like this anymore as a specality offering
Hey there 👋🏼 where is your cafe? Don’t tell me you’re at Sabah or Sarawak.😅
Have any cafes or coffee places put a "recommended" size next to their coffees, or the number of shots in each cup? I have to admit I have not noticed if anyone does, but nor have I looked, really...
some shops in OZ put 1,2,3, shots on the Takeaway cups on the counter to help customer know what they are getting
What about using a much bigger basket, like a 24g and running a "triple" in one go? I find those 500ml cups to slow the flow down too much to even have them on my menu.
sure you can do that, but at 24g you sill only get 48g of espresso, not sure its enough
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters I beg your pardon, did you just assume my ratio? 😂😉.
In this case, what would be the stronger coffee flavor? A lungo at a 1:3 ratio with 24 in and 72 out? A ristretto with a 1:1? Or a normale?
What if u have single group
It would have been better. If you would have showed them rather than talking about it
When you say split shot are you referring to a single shot. So the 16oz would be 3 shots in total? I work at Starbucks I never get the 24oz because of the milk espresso ration lol 😂
Split a double shot into two singles with one of the singles going into your 16oz cup. Then add a full double shot and there you have it.
@@OneIdeaTooMany that’s what I thought but thinking and knowing are not the same thing lol. Thanks for clarifying
check our our videos on our recipes for clarification its a dose of 22.5g with a 45g espresso that can be out a double portafilter into 2 cups
is it unusual to get 2 double ristrettos in a 12oz?
very, as that is 2 portafilter handles, it would be full bodied and cost more
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters sorry i meant in a 16oz instead of a triple shot?
Tradie coffee is pretty much an American coffee
We need to go by Italian standards in my humble opinion. 1 oz in a 6 oz. cappuccino cup. Do the math from there.
its like a whole different world with italian style, dark roast is a thing of the past
Bloody Zaraffas! I stop in there maybe once every 2 years when I forget how garbage their coffee is and get that 16 ounce they have ... and every single time its milkier than Casper the Ghost even with an 'extra shot' ...
Yes , I believe it’s still one shot 😩
Who uses onces? Oh! Come on!
It’s still the measure that’s in our industry unfortunately, like babies 😂
I only use a 4 oz cup with a bit of cream, I find the coffee in coffee shops discusting
Just get rid of the 16 for milk.
yes, it only suits some cafes
Better without the hat. But it was good branding.
Hiding the greys 😂
Can you speak in grams and ml please, confusing video.