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  • After many years of research and development, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time has been decompiled into human readable C code. In this episode we take a closer look at how it all works.
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  • @KazeN64
    @KazeN64 2 роки тому +3512

    I bet oot can be put through almost the same optimizations i put mario 64 through. just looking at it, it looks like it should easily run 40fps rather than 20.

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 2 роки тому +257

      That's just running on actual console too, yeah? Because I imagine newer platform ports will have 60fps patches but I'd be super interested in seeing it running smoother on console like your SM64 stuff :)

    • @dwaynethemineraljohnson412
      @dwaynethemineraljohnson412 2 роки тому +347

      @@beardalaxy he is ofcourse speaking about the n64 i would be scary to think it could only run at 40fps on pc

    • @mzxrules
      @mzxrules 2 роки тому +99

      I feel like 30 FPS should be achievable on N64, but I doubt that 40 FPS would be consistent

    • @LukeDupin
      @LukeDupin 2 роки тому +79

      That SM64 port on the PC was awesome.

    • @orangy57
      @orangy57 2 роки тому +201

      Kaze just casually flexing in the comments

  • @Garvm
    @Garvm 2 роки тому +601

    Imagine a version where the option to make the owl repeat all his history is set to “no” by default

    • @XDevonBueno
      @XDevonBueno 2 роки тому +64

      This is the improved version we all so desperately need

    • @BlueTyphoon7
      @BlueTyphoon7 2 роки тому +42

      @@XDevonBueno why not go a step beyond, saying no replays the deku tree goddess lesson

    • @ninjagaro.
      @ninjagaro. 2 роки тому +45

      Skip Cutscenes, Even Faster Texts, Epona becomes a motorcycle, only good can come from this

    • @mauricenr2969
      @mauricenr2969 2 роки тому +12

      @Jose you're all thinking backwards, why not set the owl to replay his dialogue several times?

    • @danielbueno8474
      @danielbueno8474 2 роки тому +6

      @@mauricenr2969 Zelda Ocarina of Time - Omochao version. Or rather, Kaepora Gaebora version.

  • @wavefront9221
    @wavefront9221 2 роки тому +387

    Now we need somebody to do the unthinkable and port this to the Sega Saturn

    • @davy_K
      @davy_K 2 роки тому +10

      @Fat Chocobo Yeah. Will be a tough ask off the PS1 or Saturn without RAM expansion due to the cartridge format's advantage of fast data access. Plus the N64's processor was just under 100MHz which was a big deal back then. Never mind the different architectures re graphical abilities - didn't the Saturn use quads instead of triangles? I don't see the attraction of running it on a console anyhow - seeing it running on a high end PC with brand new remastered graphical assets would be wonderful.

    • @BenignStatue71
      @BenignStatue71 2 роки тому +8

      @@davy_K The Saturn's "quads" are literally all sprites - hence being quads, as sprites are quadrilateral. You can render a tri by just making one side of the spite have zero length.

    • @davy_K
      @davy_K 2 роки тому +1

      @@BenignStatue71 Yeah you can....but it looks like shit when you do that. There are a few online articles about PS1->Saturn ports that did just that. It's a moot point anyway since OoT was a cartridge game which would be extremely hard to implement on the PS1 and Saturn simply because of delay is shifting data from a disc. I'm sure an emulated PS1 or Saturn could make a job of it provided it was overclocked and removed any read delays- but what would be the point? It's always nice to see just how far stock consoles can be pushed with modern tricks today..I suspect OoT would be a step too far. M64 and OoT were probably why N64 was cartridge based.

    • @BenignStatue71
      @BenignStatue71 2 роки тому +5

      @@davy_K Nintendo selected cartridges because it wasn't something you could have just any factory manufacture, unlike a CD - you needed to have each individual cartridge produced by Nintendo or you couldn't release the game. Nintendo gets both an up front manufacturing cost *and* individual sale royalties. Read speed and access times were a side effect of cartridges that provided at least some argument to developers; they were otherwise just an extremely costly medium between the consumer who owned an N64 and their game. The fact that the N64 DD still used a proprietary format makes Nintendo's greed pretty evident - for the same capacity as Resident Evil 2, you could get a diskette that might have been cheaper to produce, but still only Nintendo could manufacture. It doesn't matter if the actual price of manufacturing each cartridge goes down, only Nintendo will make it and they can set the price at whatever they want.

    • @davy_K
      @davy_K 2 роки тому +2

      @@BenignStatue71 Well. I only partially agree with that. Certainly their publishing and licencing model suited the cartridge format which is what they loved as it made a shed load of money, pushed a lot of risk onto 3rd parties and let them control the release schedule. However , as I guess you know, the CD drive debacle with Sony and Philips is proof that Nintendo experimented with the format. Miyomoto hated loadtimes and Mario 64 and Zelda : OoT would have been, to his mind, (or to anyone else who has really compared the games available across the 3 platforms) heavily compromised by the limitations of the CD media's access speed. If any further proof is needed - no game on PS1 and Saturn came near to those games in terms of 3D world building and the rich control scheme required for accurately navigating them in a go-anywhere fashion. The transitions between levels in M64 and the open areas and dungeon load and transitions of OoT are testament to it. They simply were not possible on those machines, otherwise we would have seen something attempting to recreate them. The best they could do was create environments made of corridors that gave a limited (albeit clever) illusion of 3D, but very little else.

  • @PabstOban
    @PabstOban 2 роки тому +419

    I can't wait to see a HD remake of this game using this source code.

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 2 роки тому +23

      Yeah, then sprites change and there are 0 grounds to sue.

    • @derp195
      @derp195 2 роки тому +44

      @@jamess1787 Nintendo: Hold my sake

    • @justincarter7954
      @justincarter7954 2 роки тому +50

      @@jamess1787 Yeah there is. Nintendo owns the IP. You could go make a your own legend of zelda game from scratch and there would still be grounds to sue. Nintendo tends to be pretty letigious and they would absolutely win that case

    • @Formalec
      @Formalec 2 роки тому +9

      @@justincarter7954 Yep otherwise fangames or other creations would be legal but they are not.

    • @Etaia2000
      @Etaia2000 2 роки тому +7

      It would be pretty sweet to see an engine like OpenLara for OOT

  • @altimateguyz1016
    @altimateguyz1016 2 роки тому +275

    9:35
    "Oh MVG...
    Listen to my words - Mistakes Were Made"
    Ok this is really cool.

    • @nobafan7515
      @nobafan7515 2 роки тому +4

      I've seen text edits on oot before, thing is now there will be more easily accessible mods including level editors and model swapping.

    • @Nezkredk
      @Nezkredk 2 роки тому +1

      Mistakes were truly made.

    • @deedoubs
      @deedoubs 2 роки тому +2

      @@nobafan7515 Hell you could pretty easily see total conversion mods that are basically just new games running on the same engine.

  • @nicwilson89
    @nicwilson89 2 роки тому +496

    8:50 Playing around like this is a great way to learn how games are constructed and how to do things yourself if you're learning to build games and such. How a lot of people got started in the earlier days, too :)

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 2 роки тому +18

      Reminds me of how most of the A Hat in Time dev team came from the modding scene of mostly Valve games. The lead dev got started by messing around with L4D I think.

    • @venumspyder
      @venumspyder 2 роки тому +15

      This is how I got started building my own custom 3D engine on my UA-cam channel. I looked at how other games built their engines and then made my own version based on what I learned.

    • @nicwilson89
      @nicwilson89 2 роки тому +6

      @@venumspyder That sounds very interesting, I shall go watch some of your stuff, I see you've done an endless runner? Seems to be a staple haha, I recently did one for Megadrive whilst getting to grips with coding for Megadrive with SGDK so I could do it in C. You've earned a sub!

    • @venumspyder
      @venumspyder 2 роки тому +3

      @@nicwilson89 Many thanks! Yes many people got their start in the game industry by looking through source code of finished games. And we now live in a "golden" era for this as there are tons of games out there with source code that you can look at. I'll check out your channel as well!

  • @WrestlingWithGaming
    @WrestlingWithGaming 2 роки тому +214

    Simply awesome. Imagine telling yourself in the 90s that one day anyone would be able to mess around with OOT's source code and compile it themselves in minutes. What a time to be alive.

    • @stoicvampirepig6063
      @stoicvampirepig6063 2 роки тому +26

      I mean, ignoring all the stuff that makes being alive right now a crushingly bleak thing...yeah.

    • @user-sl6gn1ss8p
      @user-sl6gn1ss8p 2 роки тому +3

      @@stoicvampirepig6063 I always have that though when I watch two minute papers

    • @theextremeanimator4721
      @theextremeanimator4721 2 роки тому +1

      @@user-sl6gn1ss8p Two minute papers?

    • @user-sl6gn1ss8p
      @user-sl6gn1ss8p 2 роки тому +5

      @@theextremeanimator4721 it's a youtube channel about AI and computer graphics. "What a time to be alive" is kind of it's catch phrase

    • @cheeeeezewizzz
      @cheeeeezewizzz 2 роки тому

      How do you compile it for a particular system? I want to get it compiled for the PS vita.

  • @TaimatCR
    @TaimatCR 2 роки тому +36

    Gotta love the "so anyways I started coding" approach that you have when explaining these things on your videos

  • @andtpfack8243
    @andtpfack8243 2 роки тому +338

    Very cool, thanks MVG for spreading the knowledge in a timely manner so hopefully more people get to work.

  • @cydragon2.099
    @cydragon2.099 2 роки тому +801

    Nintendo: messes up on emulating zelda oot on the switch
    Fans: well we can go to the original game code and do some proper remastering ourselves

  • @jeffreysmith2524
    @jeffreysmith2524 2 роки тому +18

    It's so cool how these projects are coming out now. I didn't expect you to modify the games code and show it off like that! Very cool!

  • @TheCobrabee
    @TheCobrabee 2 роки тому +17

    I feel like you're the professor, and you just assigned us a recompilation project. Amazing video.

  • @LanceThumping
    @LanceThumping 2 роки тому +219

    Can't wait to see the native PC port with HD, high framerate, widescreen and other insanity.

    • @Matanumi
      @Matanumi 2 роки тому +20

      same but on the switch

    • @daltonbroderson6529
      @daltonbroderson6529 2 роки тому +18

      I'm so excited for this. I love the Mario 64 PC port so much I cannot go back to the N64 version or any romhack

    • @Jetanium
      @Jetanium 2 роки тому +6

      Texture packs?

    • @kabosune9097
      @kabosune9097 2 роки тому +6

      @@Matanumi can't wait to do this on steam deck

    • @fllthdcrb
      @fllthdcrb 2 роки тому +5

      @@Jetanium Probably. HD rendering can only do so much with low-res textures.

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 2 роки тому +81

    Ah decomp...it's crazy that it has finished. Answered so many questions abou the game.

  • @shawnkratos1347
    @shawnkratos1347 2 роки тому +49

    I’d love to see a nice hd texture pack mixed with this and compiled for the switch! Basically what it should have been for the n64 online

    • @nukiradio
      @nukiradio 2 роки тому +4

      If it's in readable C, it would be way easier to mod and edit

  • @AmyraCarter
    @AmyraCarter 2 роки тому +26

    Having better camera control, including when in first person would be ideal. Rebindable functions a bonus, especially on PC.

  • @cccykrogmail5891
    @cccykrogmail5891 2 роки тому +30

    I love these videos where you show it all working (i.e Showing the decompiling and the code actually working), whilst still explaining the scope of the project of topic. It gives such a deep understanding of what's happening. Thanks MVG!

  • @amfk8079
    @amfk8079 2 роки тому +54

    Mad props to the team! been waiting patiently for years for this moment!

  • @Dave01Rhodes
    @Dave01Rhodes 2 роки тому +7

    There are similar reverse engineering projects for other games out there too. For instance, the Pokémon Reverse Engineering Team (pret) has completed projects to recreate the source code of Pokémon Red/Blue (pokered), Yellow (pokeyellow), Gold/Silver (pokegold), Crystal (pokecrystal), Ruby/Sapphire (pokeruby), FireRed/LeafGreen (pokefirered), and Emerald (pokeemerald).
    If you’ve been wondering why Pokemon romhacks have been getting more sophisticated over the past few years, this is why!

  • @AKSoapy29
    @AKSoapy29 2 роки тому +5

    This is awesome! I could see this going many ways, from mods and aftermarket / higher resolution textures, to even using the code as a template to create a new game. Exciting stuff!

  • @Charlie-eq3dj
    @Charlie-eq3dj 2 роки тому +333

    Imagine this game playing on 4K on modern consoles. I'd love to see if the Saturn could run this with its own interesting architecture and at a resolution of 704x480 (NTSC) or 704×512 (PAL). Or what about widescreen 16:9 support! The community is going to go wild with this.

    • @basshead.
      @basshead. 2 роки тому +12

      @@bWWd0 So true.

    • @Charlie-eq3dj
      @Charlie-eq3dj 2 роки тому +71

      @@bWWd0 Mario 64 looks gorgeous on 4K. And with all the texture and high-res models modders have worked on over the years, I'm sure there will be something amazing that comes out of this. Go check out Nerrel's channel and the amazing work he's done for Zelda.

    • @ADreamPainter
      @ADreamPainter 2 роки тому +82

      You clearly haven't been following what has happened to Mario 64, after it was decompile. Recently someone has updated all the 3d models, uprezed the textures and introduced raytracing. This is very big deal!

    • @Vladislav888
      @Vladislav888 2 роки тому +19

      VR support, anyone?

    • @alphaLONE
      @alphaLONE 2 роки тому +25

      Wouldn't the Saturn have to have all the models remodeled due to its sprite/quad rendering system? Plus it's really weak compared to the N64, it'd be quite the challenge

  • @cloudsquall45
    @cloudsquall45 2 роки тому +25

    Can't wait to see where this is ported first!

    • @SCP-tn2ln
      @SCP-tn2ln 2 роки тому +16

      Probably PC with OpenGL or Vulkan

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 2 роки тому +8

      @@SCP-tn2ln potentially the code could be added to unity or another modern engine to enhance the graphics

  • @chadmasta5
    @chadmasta5 2 роки тому +48

    I wonder how much of this could be used for the majora's mask decompilation project since they're based on the same engine and re use a lot.

    • @enforcerridley158
      @enforcerridley158 2 роки тому

      Super Mario 64 also runs on the same engine and this took a long time despite SM64 being done years ago.

    • @chadmasta5
      @chadmasta5 2 роки тому +13

      @@enforcerridley158 True but majora's mask also reuses a lot of the same code evident by many of the same glitches existing in both games.

    • @StardustSauce
      @StardustSauce 2 роки тому +3

      Much less than you'd hope. The most useful kind of code reuse is the kind where objects are absolutely identical between games, of which very very few actually are. You can make educated guesses when "some" code is re-used, but figuring out which pieces are the same and which aren't is a process that's not much easier than decompiling from scratch to begin with.

    • @chadmasta5
      @chadmasta5 2 роки тому +2

      @@StardustSauce Bummer. I was hoping it could speed up the majora's mask project because it's my favorite Zelda game and I'm impatient 😅. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to wait then.

    • @graalcloud
      @graalcloud 2 роки тому

      There are a lot more changes to Majora's Mask than you might realize, even the re-used models are generally improved

  •  2 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing a bit of your knowledge with us. I'd love to watch/read more in-depth technical stuff from you.

  • @marcelo20xxxx
    @marcelo20xxxx 2 роки тому +32

    I was eagerly awaiting your video about this decompilation, hopefully now we can have the game running at 60FPS without the glitches that the original N64 rom has with codes...

  • @uilliamm
    @uilliamm 2 роки тому +79

    I'd love to see this on ps vita. The game works okay through the n64 emulator but having a native port would be beautiful

    • @sethreign8103
      @sethreign8103 2 роки тому +3

      You'll definitely see a Vita port for this soon.

    • @philipmartin3425
      @philipmartin3425 2 роки тому +2

      Maybe Rinne will port this for us. The man is a wizard. In addition to the Vita, I'd like to see this ported to the Anbernic RG350 line of handhelds.

    • @VintexFX
      @VintexFX 2 роки тому

      same im waiting for that

  • @XolifreX
    @XolifreX 2 роки тому

    Very cool to see you covering this subject! This is why I'm subbed to you, man! Keep up the great work!!

  • @BenjjjDW
    @BenjjjDW 2 роки тому +8

    “Listen to my words MVG, mistakes were made” love it 😂😂

  • @NightFore
    @NightFore 2 роки тому +4

    "Mistakes Were Made" - Navi
    9:35

  • @SRC267
    @SRC267 2 роки тому +56

    Hope you do a video of AetherSX2

  • @robmccullough1916
    @robmccullough1916 2 роки тому +3

    Hey man, thanks for all your videos. I am an old school nerd and borderline programmer. But I work as a chef for a living your videos just sit on a great line where I understand everything but learn a helluva lot! I have a beer when I get home from work and it really makes my day when you have a new video out because I will learn something new.
    Thanks very much.

  • @RadikAlice
    @RadikAlice 2 роки тому

    Heeeeyyyy, this is awesome! Big ups to the team! And thank you for covering it MVG

  • @SilverSuisei
    @SilverSuisei 2 роки тому +18

    As someone who's been following OoT speedrunners like ZFG for almost a decade, this is the best thing I've heard. The potential for romhacks and speedrun optimizations is going to be insane. Plus the fact that they can optimize the Switch version and make it fully playable is great for casual players. Hell I'd love to play randomizer on console too. Thank you for this video MVG.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 2 роки тому +1

      Nintendo: stubborn on terrible design decisions
      Fans: fine, I'll fix it myself

    • @JuddMan03
      @JuddMan03 2 роки тому +6

      Unfortunately it could also open the door for undetectable cheating. Video submission wont be enough. Proof of checksum or a replay file would have to be required also.

    • @SilverSuisei
      @SilverSuisei 2 роки тому +1

      @@JuddMan03 Yeah. Like manipulating first try dampe.

    • @pearz420
      @pearz420 2 роки тому

      I'm struggling to think of a more uninspired use of this.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 2 роки тому

      @@pearz420 then you're not really part of the dedicated fan communities of any old game. Speed running is a core staple of old games and the competetive ss both brings excitment and entertainment for onlookers.
      However speed running some games sucks balls because Nintendo don't often allow skipping of cuts enes, tutorials and dialogue. Modding the game to skip these unnecessary parts of the run makes it both more fun to compete (as you have to restart often) but also more fun for people to watch.
      It is the most basic mod but probably one of the most important ones.

  • @T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY
    @T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY 2 роки тому +9

    This is huge! Happy 35th Anniversary to Link and Zelda. It's going to be a very Zelda Christmas for a lot of people who know or even want to learn C.

  • @XxDermeisterxX25
    @XxDermeisterxX25 2 роки тому +1

    Your videos always enlighten me, and remind me of how much passion and love I have for video games! Keep up the great work MVG!

  • @Captain_Chaz86
    @Captain_Chaz86 2 роки тому

    i been waiting the last two weeks for this video. Not disappointed! Thank you, MVG. very good video

  • @WildkatPhoto
    @WildkatPhoto 2 роки тому +116

    Game companies need to embrace emulation and give us the games we want at a reasonable price.

    • @lara3780
      @lara3780 2 роки тому +17

      And the quality we deserve (cough cough Pokémon cough)

    • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
      @JohnSmith-xq1pz 2 роки тому +6

      Sadly that's not likely to happen

    • @nopepsi2day
      @nopepsi2day 2 роки тому +24

      They think emulation contradicts with their business model, that's horrendous. What's even worse is not just them jacking up the price of the old games but also offering worse experience - emulators made by community handle the execution of such games better than corporation-made emu's. The big N is guilty of that, in particular.

    • @inendlesspain4724
      @inendlesspain4724 2 роки тому +17

      Hopefully people will get tired of Nintendo's BS and stop buying their old catalog en masse and go for community efforts instead, then Nintendo will have to either adapt to the times or, I don't know, attempt to change the law to their favor and the detriment of the homebrew scene like they already did in Japan.

    • @toby2581
      @toby2581 2 роки тому +9

      @@inendlesspain4724 Luckily the US has incredibly strong speech rights which makes it extraordinarily difficult for corporations to make emulation illegal.

  • @SilverSpireZ
    @SilverSpireZ 2 роки тому +68

    Be sure to go ahead and download this before Nintendo decides to Nintendo

  • @JohnTechG
    @JohnTechG 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for covering this been waiting really enjoy your content and hope to see something from you in a mod or a port maybe even to Nintendo switch :) thanks for all the work you do and in the future.

  • @samuelmagilocusts2870
    @samuelmagilocusts2870 2 роки тому +2

    I’m so excited to see the mods for this! This is one of my favorite games!

  • @Alfonso88279
    @Alfonso88279 2 роки тому +57

    I'd want an .exe version of Ocarina of time, just like someone did with Mario 64. It became my favorite version of the game for Mario, and I think it could be the best Ocarina of time version too.

    • @YounesLayachi
      @YounesLayachi 2 роки тому +2

      ".exe" bruh
      Native port has nothing to do with ".exe"

    • @itsdakideli755
      @itsdakideli755 2 роки тому +15

      @@YounesLayachi What are you even complaining about? He didn’t say anything wrong.

    • @Alfonso88279
      @Alfonso88279 2 роки тому +1

      ​@@YounesLayachi I think you didn't get my point...

    • @superchiaki
      @superchiaki 2 роки тому

      @@Alfonso88279 he means .ELF i think? :p

    • @AniviaS
      @AniviaS 2 роки тому +31

      @@YounesLayachi everyone understands he was referring to a native Windows port, stop being pedantic

  • @tommapar
    @tommapar 2 роки тому +9

    Native 30FPS and 60FPS patches are coming for sure now. This is great news!

  • @Deutschehordenelite
    @Deutschehordenelite 2 роки тому

    It's fun seeing you have fun with it :)

  • @TheReimecker
    @TheReimecker 2 роки тому

    Amazing Work !!

  • @brunodebattista3565
    @brunodebattista3565 2 роки тому +30

    I'm glad you actually messed with the source in the video. I've been wondering how stuff like this is done as I just started learning C in uni. Would love to see a vid on porting games

    • @Sakerdot
      @Sakerdot 2 роки тому

      He has some porting videos too, check this one out ua-cam.com/video/F4Dv32-PoU4/v-deo.html

    • @brunodebattista3565
      @brunodebattista3565 2 роки тому

      @@Sakerdot nice I haven't seen that one. Hopefully it explains roughly how its done as I've got a modabble switch and would love to make some shitty homebrew for it

  • @novelezra
    @novelezra 2 роки тому +46

    "Hey listen! Ocarina of Time on the Nintendo Switch through the N64 Expansion Pak. It's rea-... What's that?"
    "Hmm? This? Oh it's just OOT in widescreen, new camera controls, new lighting effects, raytracing and mods on my Steam Deck"
    "THATS ILLEGAL IM TELLING MIYAMOTO"

    • @marcelo20xxxx
      @marcelo20xxxx 2 роки тому +3

      I will be happy if modders only add 60FPS

    • @SullySadface
      @SullySadface 2 роки тому +2

      @@marcelo20xxxx you say that but you'll basically have to relearn the whole game

    • @Thekinggamelon
      @Thekinggamelon 2 роки тому

      Tell him, and I'll tell Nintendo you made accept Microsoft's offering of buying them behind their backs.

    • @novelezra
      @novelezra 2 роки тому

      @@marcelo20xxxx Agreed, I can look past most things in old games but low framerates is not one of them.

  • @antillian86
    @antillian86 2 роки тому

    Great video! Also, that shirt!

  • @Gonsoi
    @Gonsoi 2 роки тому

    you are one of the best youtuber in terms of teaching their viewers how to do things. there was a video about game boy coding in C in your channel that is a good resource too!

  • @DouglasFish
    @DouglasFish 2 роки тому +5

    I can't wait for 60fps versions of this game finally

    • @tr3vk4m
      @tr3vk4m 2 роки тому +1

      this and SNES StarFox then I can die happy

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 2 роки тому +13

    Surprised that decompilation without a written spec and a second clean team is considered beyond legal challenge, I figured that the decompilation process made a derivative work. In any case, this is impressive work, to get a bit for bit compatible result. You can learn a ton from stuff like this. (Once you've used a decompiler like Ghidra, you'll never want to reverse with just a disassembler again: decompilation tech is pretty remarkable.)

    • @marsilies
      @marsilies 2 роки тому +11

      Opinions differ. Some think these decompilations count as derivative works, and Take Two is suing a similar decompilation project for GTA III and VC. There's no settled case law yet though, so at the moment it's just differing opinions.

    • @antagonista8122
      @antagonista8122 2 роки тому +2

      In most places outside of the US, this is definitely derivative work because it involves large amount of own contribution.
      US on the other hand turns everything upside down.

    • @Spillerrec
      @Spillerrec 2 роки тому +5

      If this can be used to create a bit-perfect copy of the original executable, without a copy of the original executable, I can't see how this could possibly be legal. Distributing converted asserts, say the music to FLAC, and then provide a way to recompress/convert it to the original files certainly wouldn't fly and I don't see the difference here.

    • @MarcinKralka
      @MarcinKralka 2 роки тому +4

      It is not clean room, since this project is still based on the original game code (it doesn't matter if it was rewritten in C). The fact that Nintendo didn't take these projects down is quite surprising, since they absolutely have legal right to do that.

    • @seanmcgroty2248
      @seanmcgroty2248 2 роки тому +6

      > Surprised that decompilation without a written spec and a second clean team is considered beyond legal challenge
      It's not, people are saying this because they want it to be true and their understanding of copyright law is colored by that. You're absolutely right that it is a derivative work. The definition of "derivative work" under US law is very expansive:
      "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, [...] or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted."
      Binaries (object code) are protected because they are themselves derivative works of the source code. It's possible there is a fair use exemption here for educational and commentary purposes, but as with any other fair use claim, it is something that can only be definitively evaluated in court.

  • @LK.Cynric
    @LK.Cynric 2 роки тому

    another great video.
    Cant wait to see whats gonna happen in the future with it, also with other games maybe.

  • @dustatwood
    @dustatwood 8 місяців тому +1

    How are you my twin? Literally! Thank you for your work!

  • @nurk_barry
    @nurk_barry 2 роки тому +32

    I’m so excited about this…OoT is my favorite game of all time and now it will run on my x64 PC natively. Very cool how they did it as well.
    I’ve always been curious about how they programmed these classic n64 titles in general, and now I will finally get to see how it all works under the hood.
    Thanks for the update MVG, big fan of yours!

    • @FROZENbender
      @FROZENbender 2 роки тому +10

      satire or not, still misinformation. no x64 native pc port, the code compiles to a n64 rom to be used in emulators and requires the rom itself to extract assets.

    • @proCaylak
      @proCaylak 2 роки тому +11

      @@FROZENbender still, it's just a matter of time that it is going to get a x86-64 version.

    • @elnkr2603
      @elnkr2603 2 роки тому

      @@proCaylak Yeah, I think people'd wait until the og version gets fully decompiled before porting though, since this is MQ

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 2 роки тому

      @@elnkr2603 Not necessarily, there are actually a lot of romhacks that require the debug rom. It's pretty much the same thing anyway, you could always lock out the debug stuff if you knew what you were doing, too.

    • @elnkr2603
      @elnkr2603 2 роки тому

      @Lukas von das Eis I mean... It's a debug version, but it's a *Master Quest* debug ROM, no?

  • @IamAJoe
    @IamAJoe 2 роки тому +20

    I'm looking forward to see what can be done with OOT. Any framerate improvements that can be done like what Kaze done with SM64. Even those improvements work on actual hardware so I'm ready to see what mods can be done.

    • @Deltaray
      @Deltaray 2 роки тому

      It's data.

    • @IamAJoe
      @IamAJoe 2 роки тому +1

      @@Deltaray why yes I am 😎

  • @abdelll9737
    @abdelll9737 2 роки тому

    You’re one of my favorite UA-camrs. I wish you uploaded more videos.

  • @8bitwarrior
    @8bitwarrior 2 роки тому +1

    I love the accent “ocariner of time” 😂 great videos man.

  • @Green_Stache_Productions
    @Green_Stache_Productions 2 роки тому +11

    We’re getting closer to Render 98

  • @rokku87
    @rokku87 2 роки тому +117

    Imagine a complete graphics overhaul with widescreen support, 60fps, ray tracing, and more. Good God this is going to be cool.

    • @masejoer
      @masejoer 2 роки тому +7

      Just look to CryZENx's project - no imagination needed

    • @SixArmedSweater
      @SixArmedSweater 2 роки тому +2

      And Nerrel’s done an amazing overhaul of Majorca’s Mask.

    • @rokku87
      @rokku87 2 роки тому +9

      @@masejoer Yeaaah but thats more of a techniqal demo right? Projects like that are fucking awesome but rarely get finished

    • @rokku87
      @rokku87 2 роки тому +7

      @Squant who hurt you

    • @joebykaeby
      @joebykaeby 2 роки тому +1

      I already have that on Retroarch with the ROM

  • @robalarcon
    @robalarcon 2 роки тому

    great video man, this is so exiting, I'd love to have time to dig into that code :( maybe one day

  • @dodgyhodgyo4
    @dodgyhodgyo4 2 роки тому +2

    I couldn't believe my eyes looked at the resource sheet a few days ago. I remember when it was just getting started, felt like a project that would never reach a conclusion. Can't wait to see what comes of it!

  • @zombizzle_
    @zombizzle_ 2 роки тому +3

    The insane projects that will come from this will be phenomenal.

  • @cadcTV
    @cadcTV 2 роки тому +50

    I would love a decompiled and optimized version of Perfect Dark, that game is more of an FPS hell than I remember it being..

    • @blacksunshine7485
      @blacksunshine7485 2 роки тому +16

      It's in the works. Very early stages. The one we really need is Conkers Bad Fur Day

    • @joereno955
      @joereno955 2 роки тому +8

      Yeah Perfect Dark was the one N64 game that gave me motion sickness. Probably the only non-VR game that ever did for that matter. The framerate on multiplayer is brutal, and when you get slapped and the screen gets all blurry... ugh

    • @toby2581
      @toby2581 2 роки тому +7

      @@joereno955 It's a wonder that we all tolerated such terrible performance back in the day.

    • @VexAcer
      @VexAcer 2 роки тому +11

      At least with Perfect Dark it's already possible to use 1964 to play it at 60fps with mouse & keyboard support.
      A full-on PC port would always preferable though yeah.

    • @cadcTV
      @cadcTV 2 роки тому +3

      @@joereno955 to be honest, I actually like the blur effect you get when slapped or hit by an N - Bomb, it's pretty legit 😆
      When I was studying for my driver's license, they showed us what drunk drivers see when behind the wheel, and it looked very much like that, very disorienting, so the effect is actually quite realistic, hahah.

  • @djbvck
    @djbvck 2 роки тому

    Very cool, looking forward to what people can do with this in the future with both improving how it works on the 64 and new mods

  • @user-wu4fg7tc9y
    @user-wu4fg7tc9y 2 роки тому

    man the content you are creating is gold

  • @hankhill6416
    @hankhill6416 2 роки тому +13

    as a software engineer at a fortune, erm, 9, company I know how insanely hard it can be to RE a simple 'hello world' program, let alone an entire game like oot. insane feat, I'm proud of yall

  • @ytnukesme1600
    @ytnukesme1600 2 роки тому +6

    I would absolutely love it if they added compatibility with Henriko's HD textures pack for the 3DS version, it is in my opinion the ideal texture pack for this game.

  • @juandiego1993
    @juandiego1993 2 роки тому

    This is amazing!! I can't wait to see what is made!!
    It must have been a back-killing process

  • @SolarMoth
    @SolarMoth 2 роки тому

    this is some absolutely amazing work

  • @thdremily
    @thdremily 2 роки тому +3

    Incredible, never thought I'd see the day but, here it is, I can compile an original build of a N64 ROM on my own machine. Can't wait to see what comes out of this.

  • @finitekosmos
    @finitekosmos 2 роки тому +21

    Very, very impressive work by the team that achieved this.

  • @beardalaxy
    @beardalaxy 2 роки тому

    Digging the SH2 shirt!
    I might actually mess around with the code, it's the first time I've seen someone lay out how to do something like this so easily instead of just saying "just build the file bro" so thanks for the succinct tutorial :)

  • @BlackCanvasAudio
    @BlackCanvasAudio 2 роки тому

    Just wanted to say thanks MVG! Your videos have made me so much more competent in technical areas around pc design, terminology etc... I'm just a tad bit smarter after your vids. Well done!

  • @KhriszB
    @KhriszB 2 роки тому +39

    Im so proud how much Kaze Emanuar did for the SM64 hacking community. _Hope you will do somthing like that to Zelda OoT community too Kaze!_
    This decomp project is the first step to make it much, much easier.

  • @DeusGladiorum
    @DeusGladiorum 2 роки тому +6

    9:15 someone at Nintendo manually wrote line breaks for each dialogue box in the game? Bruhhhh

    • @DeusGladiorum
      @DeusGladiorum 2 роки тому +1

      @@ANJK-eu7xf I know, right? I wonder why they didn’t have a function compute line breaks at runtime. Aside from the manual route being tedious, I’d also imagine it’d take up way more memory compared to a function, and I’d also imagine memory was really limited back in the N64 times

    • @DeusGladiorum
      @DeusGladiorum 2 роки тому

      @Lukas von das Eis Just crazy to see compared to today when all software/games are built to be ongoing services. Probably made it both very freeing and very confusing when every aspect of our code didn’t need to be these well-defined, reusable components

  • @gradearawk
    @gradearawk 2 роки тому +2

    This stuff is like magic to me. Thanks for sharing.

  • @r3n837
    @r3n837 2 роки тому +1

    This is fucking sick, props to the team behind this, amazing job.

  • @zuldaftw4534
    @zuldaftw4534 2 роки тому +21

    I wonder if ocarina of time has that frame rate issue that was solved with a couple of command lines like super Mario 64, since both use the same engine

    • @Kawa-oneechan
      @Kawa-oneechan 2 роки тому +8

      The actual engine isn't so much the issue, for SM64 or OOT. The issue would be compiler optimizations: ua-cam.com/video/NKlbE2eROC0/v-deo.html

    • @Fig02
      @Fig02 2 роки тому +11

      the same engine thing is also not really true. oot may have started as a fork of sm64 in the very beginning, but with both games decompiled its pretty clear that the code is not very similar at all. audio is the closes thing and that was probably somewhat of an external library already

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 2 роки тому +6

      Now it's time to decompile Perfect Dark and see if it can possibly be optimized any further.
      I doubt it since OG Rare were absolute fucking chads at development and pushed that system to its absolute limit.

    • @SonicBoone56
      @SonicBoone56 2 роки тому

      @@Kawa-oneechan oh hey, it's you!

  •  2 роки тому +6

    I can only imagine the 2D backgrounds becoming 3D models and HD textures, as well as importing the 3DS remaster models, with modern controller support (to make free camera movement on temples and open fields) with support to Widescreen and 60FPS. Maybe even Raytracing... one can dream.

  • @benjaminestrada806
    @benjaminestrada806 2 роки тому

    I love these videos are released on Monday morning, perfect to start the working day with a cup of coffe.

  • @metroidmayhem8463
    @metroidmayhem8463 2 роки тому

    Awesome looking forward to the wonders that come next.

  • @CorgiButtOnWheels
    @CorgiButtOnWheels 2 роки тому +6

    I find projects like this so interesting! I want to do my own reverse engineering of the old Nascar Thunder racing games for PS2/Gamecube/Xbox... but I'm not sure where to begin.. I'd like taking the best parts of those games and making my own version that spans from the 00's all the way to modern times with some enhancements and mod support!

    • @nothing-2-live-4
      @nothing-2-live-4 2 роки тому

      Coincidentally I just got back into playing NASCAR Dirt to Daytona. Fully support your project.

  • @DenkyManner
    @DenkyManner 2 роки тому +62

    I'm far more interested in this one than Mario 64. And it's so ridiculous that Nintendo won't do simple 60fps versions of these games. Modders and hackers to the rescue again!

    • @gutter_onion7855
      @gutter_onion7855 2 роки тому +17

      I'm not defending Nintendo here, but iirc, for them, it's not a simple "increase the emulated framerate." It's never been that easy for anyone. The framerate is tied directly to the day/night cycle. So you increase fps from 20 to 60, and you have 3x faster day/night cycle. However with this source code, that can be done.

    • @vas_xp9611
      @vas_xp9611 2 роки тому +3

      Not hackers, hackers are bad people, these are modders, or decompilers

    • @KopperNeoman
      @KopperNeoman 2 роки тому +19

      @Vas_XP So hackers then. Good luck decompiling without any hacking skills.

    • @hanakomisa
      @hanakomisa 2 роки тому +14

      @@KopperNeoman Don't tell the guy above about White hat hackers, dude'll be shocked that exists.

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 2 роки тому +7

      @@gutter_onion7855 Nintendo has the source code. They just don't want to go through the trouble.
      Although, JUST patches/hacks have managed to do crazy things. Mario Sunshine and 64 can both run at 60fps in an emulator. Heck, even Breath of the Wild can. That's with little to no problems.

  • @loki.odinson
    @loki.odinson 2 роки тому

    Thank you for bringing this project to light. I am super excited to see what people can do with the code. Would love to see it optimized and running at 60fps.

  • @jeffwagner5117
    @jeffwagner5117 2 роки тому

    Cool Shirt :).
    Interesting video, as always.

  • @omardelarosa4899
    @omardelarosa4899 2 роки тому +3

    The Legend of Zelda - Ocarina of Time Port for PS Vita😍😍

  • @wilsonicsnet
    @wilsonicsnet 2 роки тому +3

    This is great. I can see the randomizer community benefiting from this one greatly.

  • @Criticmasterz
    @Criticmasterz Місяць тому

    Excited for more decompliations

  • @Phathom0
    @Phathom0 2 роки тому

    We need more of this.

  • @SolTheCleric
    @SolTheCleric 2 роки тому +15

    Before opening the video I was like "I can't wait to see how many times MVG will pronounce Ocarina as Ocaryner".
    I was not disappointed. 😄
    I'm curious to see how many glitches and in-game exploits will still work with this version and how many of them will be "patched" as a side effect.

    • @Ashe_S_
      @Ashe_S_ 2 роки тому +1

      If they do the version the speedrunning glitches are done on like they did this one, with matching hashes, then it *should* behave exactly the same. The only reason it wouldn't is if some weird hardware bug was causing any of those, which I don't think should be the case.

    • @user-yr1uq1qe6y
      @user-yr1uq1qe6y 2 роки тому +1

      “Ocarina-r-of” Lol, this is exactly what went through my head when I read the title!

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 2 роки тому +1

      If I remember right, the debug version is very similar to the GameCube version? Just running on an N64 instead of a GameCube. So whatever glitches are present in that will be present here. Someone could theoretically fix them, but OoT glitches are usually things that need to be triggered on purpose so it's hard to imagine anyone actually doing it.

  • @fders938
    @fders938 2 роки тому +41

    I think it's amazing that another game is getting the "sm64 decomp" treatment. I'm not really a Zelda fan, but I think it's great that more old N64 games are getting decompiled, and likely will get a PC port and graphical improvement mods.

    • @beardalaxy
      @beardalaxy 2 роки тому +4

      My dream game to have decomped is Star Fox 64. Having a native port of that would be incredible and I feel like I'd actually want to delve into that code quite a bit. One step at a time though.

  • @ArtofWEZ
    @ArtofWEZ 2 роки тому

    We are so lucky to have you as a youtuber

  • @e8root
    @e8root 2 роки тому

    It is truly fascinating that people put so much effort in to these things

  • @xeostube
    @xeostube 2 роки тому +4

    one thing this should be brilliant for is making a well balanced hard mode - such as making the monsters take more hits, move faster, etc. This game is so good, it would be really fun to reexperience but with a harder twist.

    • @22222Sandman22222
      @22222Sandman22222 9 місяців тому

      but how about master quest?

    • @xeostube
      @xeostube 9 місяців тому

      @@22222Sandman22222 same point applies there as well

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for explaining why they went with a z64 ROM of Master Quest, that part confused me.
    I am actually not a huge fan of OoT but given what is possible with Mario 64 also, I'd love to see a 16:9 60fps version with HQ models and potentially a dedicated VR version either for SteamVR or the Quest/2.

  • @covert0overt_810
    @covert0overt_810 2 роки тому

    MVG is one of the best channels out there... thanks for all your content ---- no b/s just right to the point

  • @UnknownIllusionist
    @UnknownIllusionist 2 роки тому

    Very cool content, thanks for letting me know this project exists

  • @mkman1
    @mkman1 2 роки тому +3

    Surprised I saw this here instead of ZFG or something. Great achievement

  • @fancymank
    @fancymank 2 роки тому +6

    So cool! There is a huge fan base for emulation and Zelda. I'm sure one of these awesome community members will have interest in porting on Android 😁

  • @SogaNightwalker
    @SogaNightwalker 2 роки тому

    Honestly would love to see further projects on this on UA-cam

  • @MrJersday
    @MrJersday 2 роки тому

    This is such a perfect videos. Bless!!