BREAKING NEWS Oct '22**** We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep bolt-in transmission pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Just installed the 3.6 version. You can get the old pan out without dropping both sides of the exhaust but don’t bother trying to cram the new pan in. Impossible. Risk damage.
Thanks to this video, I see a few hours of myself struggling and cursing under my Jeep on my garage floor. Cool product- defenititely on my short list of things to do.
Just installed this on a 2019 JGC. Only snag I ran into was transferring the stock pan flange collars. I got the black pan and the paint prevented the collars from sliding in by hand so I set up a jig using a bolt and some washers and a small vice grip with my wife holding the grips and I using my cordless drill and wrench they went in fairly easy. Getting to the rear torx bolts was a chore and the most difficult part to me.
Great video, Just ordered a PPE pan for my Gladiator, Need this Truck to last a long time so don't mind spending a bit more now to get the maximum life I can from it !
Wouldn't the crossover heat the pan? It's closer to the pipe with the deeper pan and since the pan is aluminum, it will transfer heat to the fluid even more.
radiant heat is already a problem for the stock pan. The fins increase surface area to dissipate heat. Vehicles spend most of their time in motion. Air flow over the pan will assist in the heat transfer away from the transmission.
@@ThunderBear4WD yes, tracking, still a heat source, but I have a bigger air gap with the short, steel pan and less heat transfer. Airflow means nothing when there is no air flowing, like off-road, just more surface area to pick up heat and cook the fluid.
@@krashnpa I can't say without having actually checked temps before an after in this particular application, but my experience with these types of covers has been that things run cooler. I've never known them to run hotter. I would do the upgrade just for the drain plug, the extra volume of fluid, and the added rigidity that the aluminum pan adds. I've modified and welded drain plugs into stamped steel auto trans pans in the past just to make life easier for future services.
Just serviced my truck and did it as per your vid, worked great ! So damn easy except had to use a little pump just like yours, tedious but not too bad, If I could like this vid again I would ! cheers
Thanks for you hard work on the video- Well the good is you did a great job on the video especially covering PPE's mistake on the embarrassing part of having to GRIND a $400 pan.However the Automotive teacher and OCD boy in me thinks maybe before filming fix the 4 Wheel Service needed light on the Jeep dash. All I saw was a problem! Vs following the important fill procedure.
If you can tear yourself away from Red Line or the factory ZF fluid, AMSOIL makes a compatible ATF fully synthetic in squeeze bags. No spills no mess, Same for Gear Lube
I'm not seeing what overall benefit this would provide considering the cost. The OEM pan works just fine, the gasket most likely won't need to be replaced when you perform service, and cleaning the interior magnets and changing the filter is incredibly easily. The most time consuming thing you're going to run into changing the fluid is literally putting the new fluid in.
The cost effectiveness comes if you would like to do more complete fluid changes and run lower fluid temperatures(because of greater capacity). I agree that without thinking about time investment to do simple fluid changes and without thinking about longevity of your transmission that is increased due to more regular maintenance (like if you wouldn't keep it more than 100k anyway), this would be a dumb purchase. Even servicing it would be dumb(and mean to the next buyer, but hey, not your problem!) I purchased this. Installed at 35k. I'll now drain and fill every 3rd or so oil change because its now a simple process. I wheel hard. This wouldn't make sense for a pavement princess that's getting traded in IMO.
The OEM pan does not have a replaceable filter. It is built into the pan. Some of these aftermarket ones have a replaceable filter design (but not all of them).
I just installed my PPE made for the 3.6l, purchased from Northridge 4x4. Even with the factory ground channel for the exhaust, it was not enough to fit. I have to go to an exhaust shop to get the cross over pipe modified. It is a very nice pan, but it required a lot of work.
@@northridgenation I installed a second pan on my other Jeep and it went flawless. After purchasing a new crossover pipe for my first Jeep and it also went flawless. The exhaust pipe is really close to the pan. I wrapped the pipe and feel much better about it.
If I have to grind down the fins on my brand new pan, it’s a bad design. They should sell a separate P/N that’s designed for the 3.6. Lazy engineering IMO.
@@psualligater If they were NOT coming out with a "no-grinding required" V6 pan, I'd agree with you as grinding away something on a new part to get it to fit is outrageous. -- BR
@Jeff Grapengater, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Great video and clearly explaining the process. I am going to spring for this pan. I know that it includes a filter and you stated they were available separate for future service, but am unable to locate on your site?
@@northridgenation Final question ... approx how much trans fluid is required during the refill? ... I have purchased six qts, but will purchase more if that is not enough.
Normally I love the videos, but claiming the OEM pan does a flat out poor job of dissipating heat is just OPINION until you have data to prove otherwise. The vehicle design engineers analyze and test these systems to keep them working perfectly fine in almost any condition. Now, does this PPE pan do a better job than the OEM pan? Maybe, but better might not actually be needed.
OEM stamped steel pans are purely an act of economy. Yes ... under most every circumstance they are more than adequate, but also consider that the OEM also claims no service cycle of this transmission. This I cant simply buy into even with top shelf synthetic fluids. At a minimum this pan provides a drain plug for simple fluid changes ... and they also provide filters for a more intermittent and comprehensive service. And .... AL is a better heat sync than steel.
guys, i get it, you’re trying to sell the product, but honestly, you need to do the V6 first as that’s your largest market. in fact, diesel guys may not even mind the groove of the V6 pan if you were to have produced it first. turned me off of purchase even when it comes out right for V6.
Can we use ATF+4 for the transmission fluid change ? Mopar uses 8&9 speed ATF for the transmission and ATF+4 for the transfer case. Is there a difference between the two ? I feel like they're the same and Mopar just wants to sell us more stuff.
Appreciate this vid. I had no idea how to change trans fluid. Those pans are a bit pricey but they seem worth it. Will this interfere with the drive train warranty?
We reused the OE gasket, they are designed to be reused and they seal great. We cleaned the modified pan inside and out very carefully before installing it. BUT you don't need to worry about that now as PPE has now released a pan that is designed to clear the 3.6 exhaust: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
I have a 2023 Wrangler 4xe, and with that platform I cant rev the engine in neutral. Will the 2k rpm rev be critical to the fill process, or will I be okay skipping over that part?
@Fito Gonzalez, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
They were originally designed for other Mopar cars with the same transmission. We did just get an email from PPE, they have finished their new Jeep 3.6 specific pan designed to clear the cross-over pipe. They say they are sending us one to check out, once it arrives, we'll do a follow-up video.
I don't see any answers to question asked in the comments. Maybe I'll wait on the purchase of this pan till I see answers to these questions. Answers usually means the company believes in their product and they're not trying to hid anything.
In general the shallow pan would work for most people. The deeper pan would be perfect for those that are really pushing their transmissions hard. Say those who are towing beyond the limits of their vehicle ratings.
@Nick Francis, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
I'm not sold on this. I offroad and my trans temp is always fine. I'm running 37s and bigger axles. Oh how do I know it's fine, Jeep was nice enough to put a trans temp sensor in there so I can read it right off the dash. And why should I have to grind into a brand new part?!? That is horrible and lazy designing on PPE's part. They even covered their name by putting it right above the exhaust?!? WTF!?! Did they just pull this from some other parts bin and say, 'hi, this almost fits the JL, ah, close enough, Ship it" Dude, did they sponsor this video? As soon as you seen, "please grind your new part to fit" In the trash it goes. Or at the very least say to PPE, 'any way you guys can just remove that section of fins?" As a reviewer, your on the front line when it comes to new products. Your suppose to sniff this out. Sorry, i just get worked up over lazy and incompetent companies taking shortcuts to save a buck. Especially when it comes to Jeep Wrangler products, because god love us, most of us will buy almost anything.
That pan was originally designed for the Chargers. They did not have the exhaust pipe running under the trans oil pan. They now have a new pan with the correct clearances in it for the 3.6 exhaust: Black: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black Brushed: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153510-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-brushed Raw: 228153500
Yes, the PPE trans pans for the 3.6 are now clearanced for that exhaust pipe. www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black Sorry, I don't remember how many quarts we used on that project. iirc, it was six, but I could be off a little. The official Jeep procedure tech sheet doesn't say how many either, just fill until it dribbles out, then go through the run steps and add or subtract oil to get to the correct amount.
@@northridgenation This will be an awesome upgrade for cooling and adding additional fluid to provide reliability on Challengers with 850RE, especially if they are being raced/track regularly. I'll be acquiring one soon to test this out.
@@northridgenation Unfortunately, living off my military pension/disability, I can't exactly test a theory only to be stuck with a $300 part I can't use 😢 soon hopefully
What a joke! The 3.6 is the most popular engine out there and they could offer it with the clearance done? Grinding on a new pan seems like a good way to get crap in your tranny! I was interested until the grinding BS!
@jprock73 & @Invictus Centurion, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
@@austinfouts9139 yes it's an 8 speed. it's the 8HP75. 392 Wranglers also have a crossover exhaust pipe, like the 3.6L V6. However, its probably not in the same spot. They mention in the video about PPE making a pre-clearanced pan for the 3.6 in the future. To be clear about what we're asking, is PPE going to have a pre-clearanced pan for the 392 Wranglers as well.
It's that old saying...... JEEP = Just Empty Every Pocket. 😆 Although that really is the case with any 4x4 that you want to get out and do harder trails.
@Lynn Chumbley, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Look if the engineers thought that pan would do better than the stock pan, it would have come with it. My gladiator trans never gets out of operating range with stock pan. Don’t waist your hard earned money !
Cost of manufacturing... much cheaper to produce a stamped metal pan. Only downside to the PPE pan would be for rock crawling. if you get into your pan the AL will most likely crack vs bend or dent like the stock pan.
I don’t see this as benefiting me at all, quite the opposite. I have a MORE engine/trans skid that blocks airflow to the pan, so this would just capture exhaust heat. . Plus, I’ve never seen my truck over 210f and it seems like it’s thermostatically set at 195 which doesn’t mean the thermostat is fully open at 195 it just won’t go below it while driving. I literally towed a Subaru Crosstrek up a 12 degree hill and over rocks for about a mile at 1-3mph and never broke 205f.
I think you'd still be surprised at the air exchange present even with an installed skid ... and your self described scenario about best describes when this type of pan would be most relevant with radiant shedding of heat...
@@obrianmcc incorrect, if you don’t have air flow over the fins they will not have the temperature differential to transfer heat. My skid plate goes all the way up past the engine oil pan and completely impedes airflow over the transmission pan. The debris between the trans and skid prove that.
@@KTMcaptain I also have the MORE skid so I'm more than familiar with what you are describing ... driving down the road in a towing scenario you will see additional flow over that pan.
Who in the hell designs a product that you need to install… check for clearance, remove pieces from new product to then re install… Why not just design it to clear the exhaust from inception? Or that “extra” fluid could have been rethought and an OE design but with fins… 🤦♂️
WHAT? no this is dumb, they should make a v4 and a v6 version. Grind it myself? Lol no no no... I've seen monkeys beat their trans to hell on rocks and no nobody ever had a problem. Would not buy!
PPE has released a newer version that doesn't require any grinding. www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
BREAKING NEWS Oct '22**** We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep bolt-in transmission pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
I checked on their website and don't see anything for Wrangler specific. Maybe they gave up on it?
Does this comes with a gasket or do i have to buy one if so please tell me the part number for the gasket
@northridgenation does that mean we don’t need to drop the exhaust for install on the 3.6 now with the new 3.6 specific pan?
@@ciprianorivera8063 You will still need to drop the exhaust for install.
Just installed the 3.6 version. You can get the old pan out without dropping both sides of the exhaust but don’t bother trying to cram the new pan in. Impossible. Risk damage.
Drain plug, that's what makes it worth the upgrade.
Had one like this for my Ram 1500 and it lowered transmission temp by 6 degrees. Well worth it when towing. I will buy one for my Jeep Gladiator.
Awesome! Thanks for the info.
Thanks to this video, I see a few hours of myself struggling and cursing under my Jeep on my garage floor. Cool product- defenititely on my short list of things to do.
Put header wrap around the exhaust we’re the pan sits close to the Exhaust to deflect away from the pan
That would help.
Just installed this on a 2019 JGC. Only snag I ran into was transferring the stock pan flange collars. I got the black pan and the paint prevented the collars from sliding in by hand so I set up a jig using a bolt and some washers and a small vice grip with my wife holding the grips and I using my cordless drill and wrench they went in fairly easy. Getting to the rear torx bolts was a chore and the most difficult part to me.
Thanks for the tip!
Great video, Just ordered a PPE pan for my Gladiator, Need this Truck to last a long time so don't mind spending a bit more now to get the maximum life I can from it !
Great!
Should have bought a chevy then.
@@frankcastle9691chevys cant go 90% of the places we go and your jealous of that and thats why your watching a jeep video
@kevinr.9896 I'm watching it cuz I had a shitty jeep. Worst new car I've ever had.
It’s great having it near the exhaust because it can get really hot which is great for the fluid.
Thats where it is anyway....
Would be nice to show the numerical impact this feature has on temperature
We'll be doing a couple more PPE pan installs later this year, we'll do some real-world testing on those.
@@northridgenation looking forward to it!
I have it. 0. Just takes longer to heat up.
Wouldn't the crossover heat the pan? It's closer to the pipe with the deeper pan and since the pan is aluminum, it will transfer heat to the fluid even more.
Yes and Heat rises into those grinded down fins
radiant heat is already a problem for the stock pan. The fins increase surface area to dissipate heat. Vehicles spend most of their time in motion. Air flow over the pan will assist in the heat transfer away from the transmission.
@@ThunderBear4WD yes, tracking, still a heat source, but I have a bigger air gap with the short, steel pan and less heat transfer. Airflow means nothing when there is no air flowing, like off-road, just more surface area to pick up heat and cook the fluid.
@@krashnpa I can't say without having actually checked temps before an after in this particular application, but my experience with these types of covers has been that things run cooler. I've never known them to run hotter. I would do the upgrade just for the drain plug, the extra volume of fluid, and the added rigidity that the aluminum pan adds. I've modified and welded drain plugs into stamped steel auto trans pans in the past just to make life easier for future services.
The amount of Radiant heat that is transferred through the exhaust pipe to the pan is negligible
lost me when you have to grind the new pan, they should have a pan specifically made for the 3.6 engines.
As of Oct '22** PPE has finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep bolt-in transmission pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
So where’s the new 3.6 specific pan video ?
I have a 2020 JT and won’t buy until I see the install video you promised us !
PPE has said they were going to send us the new pan for an updated video, but it hasn't happened yet.
Just serviced my truck and did it as per your vid, worked great ! So damn easy except had to use a little pump just like yours, tedious but not too bad, If I could like this vid again I would ! cheers
Glad it helped and thanks for the props.
Too bad this won’t fit a 4xE. They make good pans, and I bought one for my Ram 3500.
Thanks for you hard work on the video- Well the good is you did a great job on the video especially covering PPE's mistake on the embarrassing part of having to GRIND a $400 pan.However the Automotive teacher and OCD boy in me thinks maybe before filming fix the 4 Wheel Service needed light on the Jeep dash. All I saw was a problem! Vs following the important fill procedure.
aswome video guys!!!,ill see you in April for the Adam's driveline swap 👍
Thanks Woody!
If you can tear yourself away from Red Line or the factory ZF fluid, AMSOIL makes a compatible ATF fully synthetic in squeeze bags. No spills no mess, Same for Gear Lube
Iam six quarts deep with new pan. And it’s still taking more. It would have been nice to know how many you used
We'll make sure to have an accurate fluid quantity in the next PPE vid.
How much did yours end up taking?
I'm not seeing what overall benefit this would provide considering the cost. The OEM pan works just fine, the gasket most likely won't need to be replaced when you perform service, and cleaning the interior magnets and changing the filter is incredibly easily. The most time consuming thing you're going to run into changing the fluid is literally putting the new fluid in.
The cost effectiveness comes if you would like to do more complete fluid changes and run lower fluid temperatures(because of greater capacity). I agree that without thinking about time investment to do simple fluid changes and without thinking about longevity of your transmission that is increased due to more regular maintenance (like if you wouldn't keep it more than 100k anyway), this would be a dumb purchase. Even servicing it would be dumb(and mean to the next buyer, but hey, not your problem!)
I purchased this. Installed at 35k. I'll now drain and fill every 3rd or so oil change because its now a simple process. I wheel hard. This wouldn't make sense for a pavement princess that's getting traded in IMO.
@@Tinker3504how many drain & fills until you drop the pan to replace the filter?
The OEM pan does not have a replaceable filter. It is built into the pan. Some of these aftermarket ones have a replaceable filter design (but not all of them).
I just installed my PPE made for the 3.6l, purchased from Northridge 4x4. Even with the factory ground channel for the exhaust, it was not enough to fit. I have to go to an exhaust shop to get the cross over pipe modified. It is a very nice pan, but it required a lot of work.
Wow, we haven't seen a problem with the new pans.
@@northridgenation I installed a second pan on my other Jeep and it went flawless. After purchasing a new crossover pipe for my first Jeep and it also went flawless.
The exhaust pipe is really close to the pan. I wrapped the pipe and feel much better about it.
never seen clear transmission fluid
Mopar 8/9 Speed ATF is light green in color when new/clean.
If I have to grind down the fins on my brand new pan, it’s a bad design. They should sell a separate P/N that’s designed for the 3.6. Lazy engineering IMO.
I made that comment before getting to the part of the video saying they’re coming out with a 3.6 pan…
It's all good @@psualligater 🤣
@@psualligater If they were NOT coming out with a "no-grinding required" V6 pan, I'd agree with you as grinding away something on a new part to get it to fit is outrageous.
-- BR
@Jeff Grapengater, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Great video and clearly explaining the process. I am going to spring for this pan. I know that it includes a filter and you stated they were available separate for future service, but am unable to locate on your site?
@OBR ADV Gear, Check here for the filter: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228058700-ppe-8hp70-transmission-pan-filter
Is the OEM pan gasket reusable?.... this item, like many, are on a national back order
@@obrianmcc yes it is.
@@northridgenation Final question ... approx how much trans fluid is required during the refill? ... I have purchased six qts, but will purchase more if that is not enough.
I like the idea of extra fluid as I’m towing more. When is updated 3.6 pan coming out. ?
we are working on a 3.6L specific pan and will be coming soon.
@@PPEpower What does soon mean exactly? next month, next six months, etc...
@@SamCarleton As of Oct '22** PPE has finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep bolt-in transmission pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
@@northridgenationcan we order it now?
Also does this pan come with a gasket or i can fit the mopar plastic one?😊
About how much fluid will I need to add when I do this job? Thank you and very nice video.
We would recommend to have 7 quarts on hand. You should only end up using right around 6 qts.
Normally I love the videos, but claiming the OEM pan does a flat out poor job of dissipating heat is just OPINION until you have data to prove otherwise. The vehicle design engineers analyze and test these systems to keep them working perfectly fine in almost any condition.
Now, does this PPE pan do a better job than the OEM pan? Maybe, but better might not actually be needed.
Sorry, we should've said that the steel will not dissipate heat as well as aluminum.
OEM stamped steel pans are purely an act of economy. Yes ... under most every circumstance they are more than adequate, but also consider that the OEM also claims no service cycle of this transmission. This I cant simply buy into even with top shelf synthetic fluids. At a minimum this pan provides a drain plug for simple fluid changes ... and they also provide filters for a more intermittent and comprehensive service. And .... AL is a better heat sync than steel.
guys, i get it, you’re trying to sell the product, but honestly, you need to do the V6 first as that’s your largest market. in fact, diesel guys may not even mind the groove of the V6 pan if you were to have produced it first. turned me off of purchase even when it comes out right for V6.
PPE knows it's an issue and are working on a Wrangler specific 3.6 pan. It should be available soon.
@kf kf, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Can we use ATF+4 for the transmission fluid change ? Mopar uses 8&9 speed ATF for the transmission and ATF+4 for the transfer case. Is there a difference between the two ? I feel like they're the same and Mopar just wants to sell us more stuff.
As long as it meets or exceeds both Mopar and ZF specs you'll be fine.
I would only use lifeguard or mopar 8,9 thats it
Appreciate this vid. I had no idea how to change trans fluid. Those pans are a bit pricey but they seem worth it. Will this interfere with the drive train warranty?
The Magnussen-Moss act says a manufacturer cannot deny a warranty for non-stock parts unless those non-stock parts were the cause of the failure.
No silicone/gasket? Any risk of aluminum shavings getting inside the transmission pan?
We reused the OE gasket, they are designed to be reused and they seal great.
We cleaned the modified pan inside and out very carefully before installing it.
BUT you don't need to worry about that now as PPE has now released a pan that is designed to clear the 3.6 exhaust:
www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
I have a 2023 Wrangler 4xe, and with that platform I cant rev the engine in neutral. Will the 2k rpm rev be critical to the fill process, or will I be okay skipping over that part?
It would be best to check with the dealer for the 4xe oil fill specifics.
Any update on the V6 3.6 pan? Still waiting on an update gotta service my transmission soon getting to the 60k mark soon
@Fito Gonzalez, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Does it need a new gasket or reusing old one?
Reuses the factory rubber gasket.
Does it reduce the temperature of the PPE Transmission Pan installation gearbox?
We didn't do a before and after trans temp for this video.
We're planning another PPE video for the next couple months and will get temps then.
5:28 One would think? Why weren't these pans designed with the clarence in the first place?
They were originally designed for other Mopar cars with the same transmission.
We did just get an email from PPE, they have finished their new Jeep 3.6 specific pan designed to clear the cross-over pipe. They say they are sending us one to check out, once it arrives, we'll do a follow-up video.
$305.99 out of stock
We are out, PPE has them on the shelf and will drop ship within a couple days.
Ya that's a lot of money for a lump of metal that bolts under your jeep to lower the temp an unknown amount.
I don't see any answers to question asked in the comments. Maybe I'll wait on the purchase of this pan till I see answers to these questions. Answers usually means the company believes in their product and they're not trying to hid anything.
Not sure on your comment? here are a lot of replies to the comments made.
How many qts of fluid will I need for the deeper pan ?
A product you have to modify to install... Why doesn't it come like this already?
They do now. Fresh out of the factory:
www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
Why can't you put the filter on it first ? Then put pan in place
The filters are bolted to the oil pan.
2.0 turbo.
There are shallow type and deep type, but which one is suitable? "Which one do you recommend?"
In general the shallow pan would work for most people.
The deeper pan would be perfect for those that are really pushing their transmissions hard. Say those who are towing beyond the limits of their vehicle ratings.
Will you be offering a JL 3.6 specific pan? And filters as well? What to service mine and have a new filter to install
Yes, they are working on the 3.6 specific pan. You must've missed @6:10!
@Nick Francis, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Are you kidding me they don't make a pan that fits 3.6 litre. I will find another company that makes a pan I don't have to modify.
You must have missed the section where they are working on a pan specifically for the 3.6 JL/JTs. Should be available soon.
@Brian Toth, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
What about wrapping the crossover bar with heat resistant tape. Any thoughts.
You could but PPE says it isn't necessary.
I'm not sold on this. I offroad and my trans temp is always fine. I'm running 37s and bigger axles.
Oh how do I know it's fine, Jeep was nice enough to put a trans temp sensor in there so I can read it right off the dash.
And why should I have to grind into a brand new part?!? That is horrible and lazy designing on PPE's part. They even covered their name by putting it right above the exhaust?!? WTF!?!
Did they just pull this from some other parts bin and say, 'hi, this almost fits the JL, ah, close enough, Ship it"
Dude, did they sponsor this video? As soon as you seen, "please grind your new part to fit" In the trash it goes. Or at the very least say to PPE, 'any way you guys can just remove that section of fins?" As a reviewer, your on the front line when it comes to new products. Your suppose to sniff this out.
Sorry, i just get worked up over lazy and incompetent companies taking shortcuts to save a buck.
Especially when it comes to Jeep Wrangler products, because god love us, most of us will buy almost anything.
That pan was originally designed for the Chargers. They did not have the exhaust pipe running under the trans oil pan.
They now have a new pan with the correct clearances in it for the 3.6 exhaust:
Black: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
Brushed: www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153510-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-brushed
Raw: 228153500
Great video. Did they update the pan for the 3.6? Also, how many quarts of fluid will I need? Thank yoy
Yes, the PPE trans pans for the 3.6 are now clearanced for that exhaust pipe.
www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
Sorry, I don't remember how many quarts we used on that project. iirc, it was six, but I could be off a little. The official Jeep procedure tech sheet doesn't say how many either, just fill until it dribbles out, then go through the run steps and add or subtract oil to get to the correct amount.
I'm wondering about the possibility of how this may work on the 2019 Challenger since we share the same 850RE transmission...???
If it has the 850RE transmission, this pan will fit.
@@northridgenation This will be an awesome upgrade for cooling and adding additional fluid to provide reliability on Challengers with 850RE, especially if they are being raced/track regularly. I'll be acquiring one soon to test this out.
@@JoseTorres-ep4qw Did you get one and get it out on the race track?
@@northridgenation Unfortunately, living off my military pension/disability, I can't exactly test a theory only to be stuck with a $300 part I can't use 😢 soon hopefully
Lol luckily I have the ram 1500 3.6 and it doesn’t have that crossover exhaust like the hemi. Should be a cake walk for the 8HP70 tranny I have
Yep, that will be an easy swap.
What a joke! The 3.6 is the most popular engine out there and they could offer it with the clearance done? Grinding on a new pan seems like a good way to get crap in your tranny! I was interested until the grinding BS!
They are making a pan specifically for the 3.6 V-6, we'll do another video when we can get our hands on one.
Okay, I’m back to being interested again!
@@northridgenation ok, I’m interested as well. No way I’m buying a new pan i have to grind on
Had no!! on grinding a $300 part
@jprock73 & @Invictus Centurion, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
What about the 392?
^^^ That ^^^
The 392 uses the same 8/9 speed as the jl and jt
@@austinfouts9139 yes it's an 8 speed. it's the 8HP75. 392 Wranglers also have a crossover exhaust pipe, like the 3.6L V6. However, its probably not in the same spot. They mention in the video about PPE making a pre-clearanced pan for the 3.6 in the future. To be clear about what we're asking, is PPE going to have a pre-clearanced pan for the 392 Wranglers as well.
@@austinfouts9139 75 is the hd variant, wranglers using 50
We'll check it out the next time a 392 JL or JT comes through the shop!
Has PPE released a version for the 3.6L?
We heard from PPE a couple weeks ago. The new 3.6 specific pan is still in development.
@Bernie, We just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Seems like every part on a jeep needs to be upgraded.
It's that old saying...... JEEP = Just Empty Every Pocket. 😆
Although that really is the case with any 4x4 that you want to get out and do harder trails.
@Northridge4x4 you can't off road in a stock jeep.
Sell me one I don't have to significantly modify to install and I buy it.
PPE is currently designing a pan specifically for the 3.6 V-6, we'll do another video when we can get our hands on one!
@Lynn Chumbley, we just got an email from PPE saying they have finished the new 3.6 specific Jeep pan and they are sending us one for a follow-up video.
Look if the engineers thought that pan would do better than the stock pan, it would have come with it. My gladiator trans never gets out of operating range with stock pan. Don’t waist your hard earned money !
Cost of manufacturing... much cheaper to produce a stamped metal pan. Only downside to the PPE pan would be for rock crawling. if you get into your pan the AL will most likely crack vs bend or dent like the stock pan.
I don’t see this as benefiting me at all, quite the opposite. I have a MORE engine/trans skid that blocks airflow to the pan, so this would just capture exhaust heat.
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Plus, I’ve never seen my truck over 210f and it seems like it’s thermostatically set at 195 which doesn’t mean the thermostat is fully open at 195 it just won’t go below it while driving. I literally towed a Subaru Crosstrek up a 12 degree hill and over rocks for about a mile at 1-3mph and never broke 205f.
I think you'd still be surprised at the air exchange present even with an installed skid ... and your self described scenario about best describes when this type of pan would be most relevant with radiant shedding of heat...
@@obrianmcc incorrect, if you don’t have air flow over the fins they will not have the temperature differential to transfer heat. My skid plate goes all the way up past the engine oil pan and completely impedes airflow over the transmission pan. The debris between the trans and skid prove that.
@@KTMcaptain I also have the MORE skid so I'm more than familiar with what you are describing ... driving down the road in a towing scenario you will see additional flow over that pan.
Who in the hell designs a product that you need to install… check for clearance, remove pieces from new product to then re install…
Why not just design it to clear the exhaust from inception?
Or that “extra” fluid could have been rethought and an OE design but with fins… 🤦♂️
They have a full clearance pan out now:
www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black
WHAT? no this is dumb, they should make a v4 and a v6 version. Grind it myself? Lol no no no... I've seen monkeys beat their trans to hell on rocks and no nobody ever had a problem. Would not buy!
PPE has released a newer version that doesn't require any grinding.
www.northridge4x4.com/part/transmissions/228153520-ppe-hd-cast-aluminum-shallow-850re-transmission-pan-black