For those new to MAD TV I'd encourage you to look around the channel, we have international adventures, bike reviews and and Chris Birch extreme videos and other stuff and most recently some great films from Nick Sanders. Occasionally we go live for some fun. Here are some links to help you find the good stuff. International Adventure ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7Ynzi55gvgbVg2Xcy_rp0vqA_R.html Thorough bike reviews ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7YnzjtGNKHELsYYQRwCQPOEp5j.html Chris Birch extreme KTM1190 videos ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7YnzithyN05N74-yoitRsGNwI5.html
The suspension is so important. I've ridden mountain bikes for a long time and always adjusted my own suspension, so when I bought my first motorcycle at 51 yrs old, I immediately set up the forks and shock just like I would a mountain bike big difference straight away. You guys make great videos and give lots of info useful for all motorcycles, not just the T7. Keep up the excellent work.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thank you for the detailed suspension videos. These videos inspired me to go the K-tech route. Would it be possible to find out what were the clicker settings for the K-tech bike?
Thx for this vid. Gave me a little more confidence in the direction I wanted to take my T7 suspension mods. Ended up going with the 95nm Rally Raid shock spring and .65 kg/mm linear (non-progressive) fork springs from Stoltec. I weigh 190 lbs/86kg + gear, and run the Tusk rackless system for luggage in various configurations depending on trip type/length. With mods, deletes and add-ons, the net weight difference from stock is approximately +4 pounds/1.8kg. In all configurations, including running the bike naked, the difference with this set-up is remarkable. Tracking and handling are greatly improved, and there is plenty of room to fiddle with preload and damping for different riding circumstances and terrain types.
Great stuff guys. It's refreshing to get an honest opinion on upgrades without having a particular brand constantly thrown at me. I can vouch for Nick Dole (Teknic) as a suspension tuner as well. He's done a few of my bikes over the years and I've always been impressed with the results. I've subscribed!
Wow! Great info/ vid! This is exactly the sort of comparo anyone considering MC suspension upgrades desperately needs! Admittedly, makes me wanna get an adventure bike / Tenere 700 as well, but setting that aside, still just so much useful info for all riders re: the results one can expect from various levels of improvements vs investment for MC suspension upgrades. Def wish the Component suppliers like RT, KT & other Cartridge Manufacturers were producing vids like these. They'd actually help the majority of consumers better evaluate how much they really need to spend to achieve their desired level of performance improvement vs their budget & skill level & also more clearly delineate between the numerous upgrade options avail. Its like they intentionally keep the budget-friendly options shrouded in mystery, yet a YT search for suspension upgrade will return plenty of vids praising the results of $5-10K upgrade options for dirt or street 🤦♂️ Thank you so much for the vid, realistic comparison & honest feedback. Only question is, why did one of the bigger guys go for a lighter spring, sounds like 1 rate stiffer would be a better setup for the top-dollar kit & an experienced rider😊. Thx again✌
Ace vid. A lot of people seem almost scared to use the adjustment available on bike suspension, but a day set aside for making changes and then assessing the difference over the same terrain, is time well spent. Once you get a feel for what the clickers do, you can really improve the ride of your bike. Be interesting to know why most the bike manufacturers seem to assume their riders all weigh about 10 stone!
This information is pure bloody gold gents! Very educational & genuinely entertaining too. As a "midget" rider who has experienced the cringe factor up front when pushing hard, my upgrade path is becoming far more clear as a result of your efforts here. Thanks for putting this together & Christmas cheers from way west Canuck country, eh!
I recently bought a CRF300L and this is still useful information. The stock spring has a springrate of 65-70 N/mm. Which might be enough for someone under 70 kg
This is a big help for everyone who needs to dial in adv suspension. It would have been great if there was also someone who's only fitted heavier rear spring and put spacers in front forks, to test the "super saver, but probably good enough for 80% of the riders" option. Especially on that first test, those unexpected gullies are really sneaky, just returned for big-ish trip where I've had two unexpected belly drags/hits, a thing like that can be the end of a trip...
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I hope I didn't make that sound as a criticism, it was just a wish. Getting 3 bikes with this nicely step-up setups was quite something :) . That's why the video is such a great resource.
Dialing in spring rate is important if you are heavy or ride hard. I had be using a few 87', 93' CR500's and a 01' CR250 for off roading and bought my 1st. 4 stroke, a 2001 KTM520. On my first ride I bottomed out on the rear end so hard I worried I had bent the frame. Since then I always buy heavier springs both front and rear. I'm over 200 lbs. and like to ride aggressive. Sag rate is important I learned. In another eye opener, I road my friends 2012 KTM 300exc through a section of hard dirt whoops at about 30 mph. He had is suspension revalved and sprung for his weight. I had the same bike with my heavier springs, we both weighed about the same , 200lbs. Riding both bikes though the section was an eye opener. His bike was much more planted, not oscillating front to back as much as my bike. Those bikes have top of the line components and I always preached that who knows better than the factory but on this day my outlook changed. I must admit I had not messed with the clicker much up until then.
I'm very similar to you. I wrongly used to believe that the factory suspension was fine and no need to do anything to it. But through MAD TV I've had access to suspension specialists and ridden bikes standard and then tuned for a purpose and the difference is amazing. In recent times there have been a few exceptions for me, the KTM790 Adventure R and Husqvarna 701 LR had exceptional suspension straight off the show room floor.
I would like to see a full install instructional video of how to install the Rally-Raid spacers and also on their 35mm fork cartridge. I have the rear 90nm RR spring and install no problem (made a spring compressor like RR vid). Since you do so much R&D for them maybe you could convince them to help assist in producing them. I would feel more comfortable watching a video when installing the spacers. Or better yet just go ahead with the open cartridge system. Thanks and great videos. Love the channel
Thanks much for the video! I am new to riding a dirt machine. I currently have the stock suspension and set the sag on my bike I had to crank it all the way out to achieve the recommended 30%. As I am weighing in at a bloated 227, or 230 with the proper amount of beers (roughly 103 Kilos). I am considering upgrading my shock spring and the forks. I have not bottomed out however the front does dive a bit when applying the front brakes. I think I will start out small and go from there as I am still learning.
You need to get the correct rear spring for your weight as a first step, quickly followed by the correct springs for the forks, to at least get the best out of the standard suspension.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Yep that is what I have surmised after watching your and others videos. You guys rock for sure thank you so much for your time and effort! As it is winter here I am jonesing for warmer and less slippery backroads.
@@KimCruz1 I thought they said they used the open cartridge setup on the black bike? If I’m not mistaken the closed cartridge kit has more travel and lifts the front of the bike significantly.
@@KimCruz1 that being said my f800gs has a touratech closed cartridge system and a touratech shock and it rides noticeably better than a 990adventure and 1090r, 20 kilos lighter too. Good suspension counts.
I love a Class A Scientific T7 Upgrade Geek-Out! That was freak'n (bloody) brilliant! (Can I put those two words together like that?) Well done ALL around! And here is the plug... I'm about to drop over $4K (USD). [for the purest reason of safety, of course :-) ] Nice!
You would be surprised, I'm sure there is someone around. Motocross is such a huge sport in the US, there's got to be suspension specialists for that. You're right though, we've done a lot of testing a development of suspension systems for dirt oriented adventure on the T700 in Australia which is similar to your west and north west of your country
Thanks for this great video, I have the k-tech piston set with 90 rear and 6.9 front springs, i weigh 110kg with gear, but I’m finding it hard to find the right setting. Do you have any tips or base settings for the clickers? Thanks so much.
I'm always hesitant he when people doing a review have an interest in the product their testing, but the review you guys did, in my opinion, was honest on each fork set up. I may be the second person (in the Hunter) to have the Rally Raid forks. Clive installed the Rally Raid forks last week and did the spring and valving to the shock. The bike now is a different bike to ride. The rally Raid forks are great. The revalve shock is a big improvement over standard - Clive knows what he is doing. All three options will improve the T7. Even just getting the right springs will improve the bike. Cheers
A few years back I bought a Cr250 off a mate who was cashed up and had the bike set up for his weight/height which exactly the same as me. I was an ok rider but nothing special. When cruising down a back track in central Australia I hit an ant hill doing about 100km/h. As I saw it I thought "I'm gonna be f@cked here!" but the suspension soaked it up and the bike just kept on cruising. This was my only and best experience of how suspension can literally save your life if it's set up right.
Really need you to review the 2022 KLR now more than ever and For you to just conclude that it’ll do the job Just fine and don’t need to spend an extra 8-10k on a Tenere 700 plus suspension, larger fuel tank, etc! Kidding but not kidding. Great job on the vids guys and have loved this bike for a long time! Not making the purchase though until such time as you have told us about the KLR. Too much financial risk... lol.
@@peteralbares51146.6 front and 90N/mm rear spring and the ORVS piston kits. Reduced the dive on brakes and squat under acceleration. Now has the damping adjustment to control the higher spring rates.
@@bryansuperduke1290r thanks for the input. I’m currently debating between having the ORVS + respring vs. open cartridge + respring installed. The difference is about $500 for me locally. I’m hoping a phone call with ktech can shed some light on the expected performance differences between these two routes.
@@peteralbares5114After watch all Dave’s vids on the subject, the K Tech option is over half the price and will suit most people. Mine came to £950 fitted, Rally Raid or other options was over £2,000 and not a lot better, however it is bigger 35mm piston. K Tech purchased a T7 to developer the kits. You looking at doing both forks and shock?
Thanks Dave and team. Very nice, as always. I wonder if you can do a video for those or us who want to see if the fully stock suspension can be adjusted to our needs using the clickers. For one, I am lighter than 75 kg, know a bit about how to adjust the sag, but much beyond that.
This is about my last on suspension for the T700. There are different methodologies to coming up with the best clicker settings. But frankly there is no point if you don't have the correct rider sag.
Hi guys and thanks for a well made and very interesting video. It would be very helpful to get a link for the K-tech re valve kit for the bike. Preferably to a euro dealer!
Great video once again! It would be interesting to hear you thoughts on comparing these 3 machines that have been modified with your 790R when it was stalk as it seems the extra cost of the KTM vrs T7 is all justified in just the cost of the suspension upgrade.
Hi, I think I have got a decent grasp of the basic parameters of spring rate, compression and rebound. But what does it mean when you say "revalved with the stock piston" at 20:31 in the video?
the stock piston on the Yamaha front fork is 20 mm in diameter, what is altered is the shims, or valves that alter the flow of oil on compression and rebound. The Rally Raid system has a 35 mm piston that dramatically increases the surface area for oil to flow and significantly contributes to an increase in performance in the form of response to varied terrain.
I don't know. You're going to have to do some research. The Ktech system was impressive, provided you didn't push it too hard and frankly most riders don't.
The rally raid suspension is a bit longer stroke though ? So perhaps one can go a bit softer with that - just to keep more comfort. (or stiffer and put more energy in it).
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV our 105 kg customer went with oem forks with different valving and aftermarket shock - in contrast. But I always try to look for the particular rider habits also. This one was an ex motocross rider, so likes to jump on the rear. With extra stiff springs back and front we could keep them up in the stroke most of time and the extended rear keeps it safe for landing. But on rough tarmac - with good tyres I find the forks and clamps to be too soft for that weight and for any agressive rider. But the tenere is nice also too if be lowered for some verticallly challenged riders. Still offers ability.
How about the Rally Raid Yamaha T7 Uprated OEM Shock Spring for 99€ and the Yamaha T7 Fork Preload Caps for 299€? I remember that you had tested them very early. Is this this viable for people on a tight budget? Is the performance gain from the re-valving option so good that it should be the minimum option? Your prices are AUD?
In those circumstances, I'd just get the correct spring for your weight and put spacers in the forks. Ask Rally Raid, but I think that 15mm nylon spacers do the trick if your budget is tight.
I am going to swap out my rear shock spring and the front fork springs. What brand of springs did you use in the stock set up with revalve? Also how will my suspension guy know how much to shim the valves and springs?
Great informative vid Dave ! I don’t have a T7 but an F850gs rallye x that u test rode on the 2019 wall to wall . Where did you recommend in Sydney for tailoring front suspension as this bike has no adjustable forks Cheers
Great videos guys. Great insight into T7 suspension options. Just wondering if Clive has shared his new valve stack changes for the fork and shock anywhere? I can do my own re-valve and was hoping that he shared his new valve specs...cheers mates :)
great video, thank you! I bought my Tenere as my first bike and have no advanced knowledge of suspensions but and - as you can imagine - as a fairly new rider - my offroad use will be quite limited for the time being. As a quite heavy bloke (105kg without gear/luggage), I am sure that the OEM springs are undersprung for me. Is there still something I can do to it without upgrading? e.g. should I go up the clicks all the way?
I'm a larger rider at 265 lbs. I'm not an aggressive rider, basically pavement to decent forest roads for fishing and camping. i will have 35/25 litre pannier bags, 1 gal rotopax, 35 liter rear duffel, rear rack, plus lightweight camping gear. What are your thoughts on rear and front suspension at a reasonable cost for my T7? Thanks
Clickers is too problematic but we've done other vids on suspension that you will find on this channel and the link to the series is at the end of this video.
Hi guys! I just installed the RR open kit, feels it’s harder to log jump now, even with almost no rebound and comp. is it just because this cartridge soaks up stuff so much better? The deal is great bombing down a bumpy gravel road, washouts and smal bumps. But I almost miss that pogo oem feel 😅. And boy can you feel the rear going crash (oem shock) now, front soaks up bigger bumps, then the rear want to fly like Superman 😬. Need to get the rear shock ASAP
I'm really happy with my Rally Raid suspension. Just some small things. Heated grips and possibly and I say very possibly because the oem lights are so good, putting some driving lights on her.
I just want to add that if you're heavy for the stock springs, uprated springs suited for your weight with minimal dialed preload will greatly improve the road comfort, especially on imperfection etc.
I have always wanted to ask you, how many percentage you increased your speed in dirt roads with the Rallye Raid suspension comparing with the stock? I was a KTM 640 adventure owner and i missed the feeling of confidence to speed hard comparing the T7. Do you believe with Rallye Raid suspension the feeling is near to 640 adventure?
Nothing like a 640 adventure. A completely different feel. Yes I go faster with the Rally Raid suspension, but that's because the suspension is coping with what I'm throwing at it.
Great review there guys 💪 I have the rallyraid rear spring at 90nm and the ktec front springs at 6:3nm which has improved the ride from standard . Are you all running the same tyres ? are they tubed tyres with tubes in them or tubeless with tubes on standard rims ?
Hi Paul, Since that time we've been doing a lot of research and development with Rally Raid Products so it wouldn't mean much as we've been significantly altering the shim stack and other components. Sorry I couldn't be of assistance. Also due to covid I haven't been able to get access to my T700 for a couple of months. I was just about to do further testing so that is still outstanding.
Love it thanks guys! What about engine performance, any up coming plans? I'm on a 1190 and want the benefits off-road the t7 brings but I fear missing the POOOOOWWWWWWEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!
@@ExpeditionaryRanger Yep already spoken to him. He doesn't miss the power. I've ridden the t7 and I agree off road the power is good but on the road I like the power. I'd consider the 7/890 but it's ugly as hell and although my 1190 has been bulletproof I'm sceptical of the ktms reliability. I dragged a MT07 that must have had some work done cos it wasn't far behind my 1190 so I know that engine has some potential but haven't seen anybody do engine mods on a t7 yet.
Do you guys have access to on bike tools similar to Racetech's "Shock Clock" so you can download suspension movement and speed to your laptop after a ride?
I'll be watching this later today with big interest! However I'm only 70kgs, a few whisperings so far are saying "she'll be right" as standard with my weight ... ? Think I'll be adjusting out any sag for sure though.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Sorry, but the front spring rate of your Rally Raid spring is not ever mentioned (the oem is a few times by Clive & Nick) other than it is the same as the K-tech in this video in the 2 suspension videos...however, I did find it quoted as 6.8 in your "Bike Set Up" video, which is odd as RR only offers a 5.6, 6.0 & 6.4 option...so my apologies for not catching it there previously. How did you find going from the 90 rear spring 1st fitted by Clive with the oem shock to the RR 85 in the RR Adv shock & why did you go softer?
Clive hit nail on head revalved and springs makes it much safer and better in all conditions for most guys yah it could be better but 800 -1000 dollars well spent , comes down too $$$ more you spend plusher it gets with aftermarket pistons and or cartage's ,
Twelve months to the day I received my tenere , every time I mount that wonderful steed, I thank all of my lucky stars I bought got it. Thanks for your great vid! You allow my dream bike(that I own)to get better 😏😝😝🍺🍺😝😝🥳🥳🤣
Have a look at this crash on a T700 with standard shocks, ua-cam.com/video/BK5LgeIpofk/v-deo.html , similar hole to the ones the guys were testing on. Its from MVDBR Enduro YT site a couple of weeks ago.
I think it would have helped but there are a lot of contributing factors depicted in this video, good off road tyres would have helped and riding within his personal capabilities.....he just doesn't look 'right' on the bike
Don't agree. We have provided the lower end of suspension improvements. Other systems are more expensive again. If you don't want to spend money fiddle with the clickers.
For those new to MAD TV I'd encourage you to look around the channel, we have international adventures, bike reviews and and Chris Birch extreme videos and other stuff and most recently some great films from Nick Sanders. Occasionally we go live for some fun. Here are some links to help you find the good stuff.
International Adventure
ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7Ynzi55gvgbVg2Xcy_rp0vqA_R.html
Thorough bike reviews
ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7YnzjtGNKHELsYYQRwCQPOEp5j.html
Chris Birch extreme KTM1190 videos
ua-cam.com/play/PLkM9-Vs7YnzithyN05N74-yoitRsGNwI5.html
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Hands down the best and most brutal bole reviews! Would love to see one on the 2021 Ducati Multistrada with the V4!
This is easily one of my favorite channels. I love the videos, knowledge and honesty. Thank you for the information
So nice of you, we appreciate your comments.
The suspension is so important. I've ridden mountain bikes for a long time and always adjusted my own suspension, so when I bought my first motorcycle at 51 yrs old, I immediately set up the forks and shock just like I would a mountain bike big difference straight away.
You guys make great videos and give lots of info useful for all motorcycles, not just the T7. Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you
being only a ordinary rider I was impressed with the info you fellas gave out . I learnt stuff off this video that I never knew before !! good job
Great to hear!
I'm getting suspension setup so this video is really helpful. I always enjoy seeing you and friends frankly discuss the T7 we love. Cheers Dave
Great to hear Bob. I thought that was a pretty good discussion of the days events
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thank you for the detailed suspension videos. These videos inspired me to go the K-tech route. Would it be possible to find out what were the clicker settings for the K-tech bike?
Thx for this vid. Gave me a little more confidence in the direction I wanted to take my T7 suspension mods. Ended up going with the 95nm Rally Raid shock spring and .65 kg/mm linear (non-progressive) fork springs from Stoltec. I weigh 190 lbs/86kg + gear, and run the Tusk rackless system for luggage in various configurations depending on trip type/length. With mods, deletes and add-ons, the net weight difference from stock is approximately +4 pounds/1.8kg. In all configurations, including running the bike naked, the difference with this set-up is remarkable. Tracking and handling are greatly improved, and there is plenty of room to fiddle with preload and damping for different riding circumstances and terrain types.
Thank you for telling us what you've done.
Great stuff guys. It's refreshing to get an honest opinion on upgrades without having a particular brand constantly thrown at me. I can vouch for Nick Dole (Teknic) as a suspension tuner as well. He's done a few of my bikes over the years and I've always been impressed with the results. I've subscribed!
Much appreciated!
You can't go wrong watching these guys! Cheers! 👍🏻🍻🏍
Glad you like them!
Thank you Dave and crew. Another awesome, informative, and fun video.
Dave, I want to rip like you one day.
Thanks.
Wow! Great info/ vid! This is exactly the sort of comparo anyone considering MC suspension upgrades desperately needs! Admittedly, makes me wanna get an adventure bike / Tenere 700 as well, but setting that aside, still just so much useful info for all riders re: the results one can expect from various levels of improvements vs investment for MC suspension upgrades. Def wish the Component suppliers like RT, KT & other Cartridge Manufacturers were producing vids like these. They'd actually help the majority of consumers better evaluate how much they really need to spend to achieve their desired level of performance improvement vs their budget & skill level & also more clearly delineate between the numerous upgrade options avail. Its like they intentionally keep the budget-friendly options shrouded in mystery, yet a YT search for suspension upgrade will return plenty of vids praising the results of $5-10K upgrade options for dirt or street 🤦♂️ Thank you so much for the vid, realistic comparison & honest feedback. Only question is, why did one of the bigger guys go for a lighter spring, sounds like 1 rate stiffer would be a better setup for the top-dollar kit & an experienced rider😊. Thx again✌
Thanks for your thoughts. Decisions the riders made as to spring rates were their own.
Ace vid. A lot of people seem almost scared to use the adjustment available on bike suspension, but a day set aside for making changes and then assessing the difference over the same terrain, is time well spent. Once you get a feel for what the clickers do, you can really improve the ride of your bike. Be interesting to know why most the bike manufacturers seem to assume their riders all weigh about 10 stone!
Agree
This information is pure bloody gold gents! Very educational & genuinely entertaining too. As a "midget" rider who has experienced the cringe factor up front when pushing hard, my upgrade path is becoming far more clear as a result of your efforts here. Thanks for putting this together & Christmas cheers from way west Canuck country, eh!
Glad it was helpful!
I recently bought a CRF300L and this is still useful information. The stock spring has a springrate of 65-70 N/mm. Which might be enough for someone under 70 kg
Good point.
This is a big help for everyone who needs to dial in adv suspension. It would have been great if there was also someone who's only fitted heavier rear spring and put spacers in front forks, to test the "super saver, but probably good enough for 80% of the riders" option. Especially on that first test, those unexpected gullies are really sneaky, just returned for big-ish trip where I've had two unexpected belly drags/hits, a thing like that can be the end of a trip...
I agree but that's what we had.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I hope I didn't make that sound as a criticism, it was just a wish. Getting 3 bikes with this nicely step-up setups was quite something :) . That's why the video is such a great resource.
@@Dowent No I agree, but it's too bloody difficult.
Dialing in spring rate is important if you are heavy or ride hard. I had be using a few 87', 93' CR500's and a 01' CR250 for off roading and bought my 1st. 4 stroke, a 2001 KTM520. On my first ride I bottomed out on the rear end so hard I worried I had bent the frame. Since then I always buy heavier springs both front and rear. I'm over 200 lbs. and like to ride aggressive. Sag rate is important I learned. In another eye opener, I road my friends 2012 KTM 300exc through a section of hard dirt whoops at about 30 mph. He had is suspension revalved and sprung for his weight. I had the same bike with my heavier springs, we both weighed about the same , 200lbs. Riding both bikes though the section was an eye opener. His bike was much more planted, not oscillating front to back as much as my bike. Those bikes have top of the line components and I always preached that who knows better than the factory but on this day my outlook changed. I must admit I had not messed with the clicker much up until then.
I'm very similar to you. I wrongly used to believe that the factory suspension was fine and no need to do anything to it. But through MAD TV I've had access to suspension specialists and ridden bikes standard and then tuned for a purpose and the difference is amazing. In recent times there have been a few exceptions for me, the KTM790 Adventure R and Husqvarna 701 LR had exceptional suspension straight off the show room floor.
Loved these suspension series.
Excellent.
Really enjoyed the feedback from your friends. Great concept for a suspension review. Thanks. Ride safe my friends!
Merry Christmas 🎅🏻🎄❗️
Our pleasure! Merry Xmas. And let's hope for a less challenging 2021!
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV .... yes, hopefully, 2021 will be a better year! Stay safe down the there!
I'll just be doing the rally raid rear spring and reshim. I don't do crazy enough stuff
That will be a great improvement
I would like to see a full install instructional video of how to install the Rally-Raid spacers and also on their 35mm fork cartridge. I have the rear 90nm RR spring and install no problem (made a spring compressor like RR vid). Since you do so much R&D for them maybe you could convince them to help assist in producing them. I would feel more comfortable watching a video when installing the spacers. Or better yet just go ahead with the open cartridge system. Thanks and great videos. Love the channel
They are making the video as we speak.
That is awesome news! I have the spacers now and will wait for the video. When I can I will be getting the open cartridge.
Thanks much for the video! I am new to riding a dirt machine. I currently have the stock suspension and set the sag on my bike I had to crank it all the way out to achieve the recommended 30%. As I am weighing in at a bloated 227, or 230 with the proper amount of beers (roughly 103 Kilos). I am considering upgrading my shock spring and the forks.
I have not bottomed out however the front does dive a bit when applying the front brakes. I think I will start out small and go from there as I am still learning.
You need to get the correct rear spring for your weight as a first step, quickly followed by the correct springs for the forks, to at least get the best out of the standard suspension.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Yep that is what I have surmised after watching your and others videos. You guys rock for sure thank you so much for your time and effort! As it is winter here I am jonesing for warmer and less slippery backroads.
Love the vid and now have to ask: how does the tenere with the rally raid setup compare to a 790 adventure r with it's wp suspension?
The 790 suspension is better straight out of the box. That said, my suspension is very close.
Tractive closed cartridge kit is obviously better than the stock wp. Ktm does offer an oem upgrade to very high end off-road suspension
@@khakimzhanmiras Dave mentions that his is the closed cartridge set up
@@KimCruz1 I thought they said they used the open cartridge setup on the black bike? If I’m not mistaken the closed cartridge kit has more travel and lifts the front of the bike significantly.
@@KimCruz1 that being said my f800gs has a touratech closed cartridge system and a touratech shock and it rides noticeably better than a 990adventure and 1090r, 20 kilos lighter too. Good suspension counts.
I love a Class A Scientific T7 Upgrade Geek-Out!
That was freak'n (bloody) brilliant! (Can I put those two words together like that?)
Well done ALL around!
And here is the plug... I'm about to drop over $4K (USD). [for the purest reason of safety, of course :-) ]
Nice!
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In the US / SoCal we are so behind not a lot of suspension tuners have settings or testing for this bike yet.
You would be surprised, I'm sure there is someone around. Motocross is such a huge sport in the US, there's got to be suspension specialists for that. You're right though, we've done a lot of testing a development of suspension systems for dirt oriented adventure on the T700 in Australia which is similar to your west and north west of your country
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV There is over a dozen suspension specialist in less than 50 sq miles maybe one shop has done springs only
Thanks for this great video, I have the k-tech piston set with 90 rear and 6.9 front springs, i weigh 110kg with gear, but I’m finding it hard to find the right setting. Do you have any tips or base settings for the clickers? Thanks so much.
I'm always hesitant he when people doing a review have an interest in the product their testing, but the review you guys did, in my opinion, was honest on each fork set up. I may be the second person (in the Hunter) to have the Rally Raid forks. Clive installed the Rally Raid forks last week and did the spring and valving to the shock. The bike now is a different bike to ride. The rally Raid forks are great. The revalve shock is a big improvement over standard - Clive knows what he is doing. All three options will improve the T7. Even just getting the right springs will improve the bike. Cheers
I'm loving my RR 35 mm open cartridge forks, they're great for my use and riding style.
A few years back I bought a Cr250 off a mate who was cashed up and had the bike set up for his weight/height which exactly the same as me. I was an ok rider but nothing special. When cruising down a back track in central Australia I hit an ant hill doing about 100km/h. As I saw it I thought "I'm gonna be f@cked here!" but the suspension soaked it up and the bike just kept on cruising. This was my only and best experience of how suspension can literally save your life if it's set up right.
Correct.
Really need you to review the 2022 KLR now more than ever and For you to just conclude that it’ll do the job Just fine and don’t need to spend an extra 8-10k on a Tenere 700 plus suspension, larger fuel tank, etc! Kidding but not kidding. Great job on the vids guys and have loved this bike for a long time! Not making the purchase though until such time as you have told us about the KLR. Too much financial risk... lol.
Hopefully we will test a KLR soon.
Just had the K Tech valve kits and front springs fitted, will see how it goes.
What did you install and how do you like it?
@@peteralbares51146.6 front and 90N/mm rear spring and the ORVS piston kits.
Reduced the dive on brakes and squat under acceleration.
Now has the damping adjustment to control the higher spring rates.
@@bryansuperduke1290r thanks for the input. I’m currently debating between having the ORVS + respring vs. open cartridge + respring installed. The difference is about $500 for me locally. I’m hoping a phone call with ktech can shed some light on the expected performance differences between these two routes.
@@peteralbares5114After watch all Dave’s vids on the subject, the K Tech option is over half the price and will suit most people.
Mine came to £950 fitted, Rally Raid or other options was over £2,000 and not a lot better, however it is bigger 35mm piston.
K Tech purchased a T7 to developer the kits.
You looking at doing both forks and shock?
Thanks Dave and team. Very nice, as always. I wonder if you can do a video for those or us who want to see if the fully stock suspension can be adjusted to our needs using the clickers. For one, I am lighter than 75 kg, know a bit about how to adjust the sag, but much beyond that.
This is about my last on suspension for the T700. There are different methodologies to coming up with the best clicker settings. But frankly there is no point if you don't have the correct rider sag.
Sería interesante que activaran los sustitutos en otros idiomas... Gracias
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@@juanchomg gracias
You guys take the cake.Thorough entertainment backed by good info.thanks.JHB-SA.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi guys and thanks for a well made and very interesting video. It would be very helpful to get a link for the K-tech re valve kit for the bike. Preferably to a euro dealer!
Not sure if that's going to happen, you may need to do some research.
Great video once again! It would be interesting to hear you thoughts on comparing these 3 machines that have been modified with your 790R when it was stalk as it seems the extra cost of the KTM vrs T7 is all justified in just the cost of the suspension upgrade.
The 790 suspension is outstanding stock.
Hi,
I think I have got a decent grasp of the basic parameters of spring rate, compression and rebound.
But what does it mean when you say "revalved with the stock piston" at 20:31 in the video?
the stock piston on the Yamaha front fork is 20 mm in diameter, what is altered is the shims, or valves that alter the flow of oil on compression and rebound. The Rally Raid system has a 35 mm piston that dramatically increases the surface area for oil to flow and significantly contributes to an increase in performance in the form of response to varied terrain.
When snowmobiling in white out conditions, we call them sucker bumps.
Ta
Great video Dave and a big thanks. The Ktech setup is likely the way I'd go. I live in Canada, are Ktech parts available in North America?
I don't know. You're going to have to do some research. The Ktech system was impressive, provided you didn't push it too hard and frankly most riders don't.
K-Tech is available here in Canada. Try with John Sharrard at acceleratedtechnologies.ca/
The rally raid suspension is a bit longer stroke though ?
So perhaps one can go a bit softer with that - just to keep more comfort. (or stiffer and put more energy in it).
The RR open cartridge is stock travel, 200mm, but we do have 230mm travel closed cartridge fork kit, and matching shock
As John says, the 35 mm open cartridge forks and the rear suspension on my bike is standard length.....200 mm.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV our 105 kg customer went with oem forks with different valving and aftermarket shock - in contrast. But I always try to look for the particular rider habits also. This one was an ex motocross rider, so likes to jump on the rear. With extra stiff springs back and front we could keep them up in the stroke most of time and the extended rear keeps it safe for landing. But on rough tarmac - with good tyres I find the forks and clamps to be too soft for that weight and for any agressive rider.
But the tenere is nice also too if be lowered for some verticallly challenged riders. Still offers ability.
How about the Rally Raid Yamaha T7 Uprated OEM Shock Spring for 99€ and the Yamaha T7 Fork Preload Caps for 299€? I remember that you had tested them very early. Is this this viable for people on a tight budget? Is the performance gain from the re-valving option so good that it should be the minimum option? Your prices are AUD?
In those circumstances, I'd just get the correct spring for your weight and put spacers in the forks. Ask Rally Raid, but I think that 15mm nylon spacers do the trick if your budget is tight.
If you are on a tight budget then fit the stiffer shock spring and fit the fork spring spacers
John Mitchinson from Rally Raid agrees with me and he has responded to your post.
@@johnmitchinson4196 Thank you for the information.
I am going to swap out my rear shock spring and the front fork springs. What brand of springs did you use in the stock set up with revalve? Also how will my suspension guy know how much to shim the valves and springs?
Leave all those questions for him
Great informative vid Dave ! I don’t have a T7 but an F850gs rallye x that u test rode on the 2019 wall to wall . Where did you recommend in Sydney for tailoring front suspension as this bike has no adjustable forks
Cheers
Nick Dole of Tekniks Motosport.
Clive mentioned that the spring rate was identical for the Rally Raid & K-Tech front suspensions...what is it?
It's in the video at the time he's talking about the identical spring rates, I think it's 6.8 nm
Great videos guys. Great insight into T7 suspension options. Just wondering if Clive has shared his new valve stack changes for the fork and shock anywhere? I can do my own re-valve and was hoping that he shared his new valve specs...cheers mates :)
Not that I know of
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks Dave for your reply. How can I contact Clive to see if he sells the shim stack?
great video, thank you! I bought my Tenere as my first bike and have no advanced knowledge of suspensions but and - as you can imagine - as a fairly new rider - my offroad use will be quite limited for the time being. As a quite heavy bloke (105kg without gear/luggage), I am sure that the OEM springs are undersprung for me. Is there still something I can do to it without upgrading? e.g. should I go up the clicks all the way?
the safest thing you can do is get the correct springs for our weight.
I'm a larger rider at 265 lbs. I'm not an aggressive rider, basically pavement to decent forest roads for fishing and camping. i will have 35/25 litre pannier bags, 1 gal rotopax, 35 liter rear duffel, rear rack, plus lightweight camping gear. What are your thoughts on rear and front suspension at a reasonable cost for my T7? Thanks
Matt you need to go and speak to a suspension specialist.
Hi guys, how about doing a video about how to setup your springs, amount of clicks, pro/cons etc?
Clickers is too problematic but we've done other vids on suspension that you will find on this channel and the link to the series is at the end of this video.
Hi guys!
I just installed the RR open kit, feels it’s harder to log jump now, even with almost no rebound and comp. is it just because this cartridge soaks up stuff so much better?
The deal is great bombing down a bumpy gravel road, washouts and smal bumps.
But I almost miss that pogo oem feel 😅.
And boy can you feel the rear going crash (oem shock) now, front soaks up bigger bumps, then the rear want to fly like Superman 😬. Need to get the rear shock ASAP
I'm not sure you have the those clickers set up corectly, try softer compression, say around 2 clicks from full out.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV yea yup. About 3 on comp and 3 or 2 on rebound.
I will test more 🙂
Would you be able to post the front & rear spring rates & riders weight for each set up?
possibly I'll get back to you.
Great - I found my pick!
Is there anything else you're thinking about doing to T7? KTM has TL tires, otherwise I'd be happy with T7.
I'm really happy with my Rally Raid suspension. Just some small things. Heated grips and possibly and I say very possibly because the oem lights are so good, putting some driving lights on her.
Great video! This might be a dumb question, but would adding these suspensions reduce road riding comfort?
Thanks!
Good question. Sometimes, is the best answer
I just want to add that if you're heavy for the stock springs, uprated springs suited for your weight with minimal dialed preload will greatly improve the road comfort, especially on imperfection etc.
Who did the vinyl wrap (? Or whatever it is) for that white bike? Looks awesome!
its mentioned in the video
I have always wanted to ask you, how many percentage you increased your speed in dirt roads with the Rallye Raid suspension comparing with the stock? I was a KTM 640 adventure owner and i missed the feeling of confidence to speed hard comparing the T7. Do you believe with Rallye Raid suspension the feeling is near to 640 adventure?
Nothing like a 640 adventure. A completely different feel. Yes I go faster with the Rally Raid suspension, but that's because the suspension is coping with what I'm throwing at it.
Hi , Do you think changing oil for the fork and swap the spring for rear is enough. Im 6"3 '(191cm) and around 90-100kg ?
You need to talk to a suspension specialist
Could you recommend the best way to lower the Tenere for a 5'7" rider 12 stone for road and and of road riding,trust your judgement?
Don;t trust my judgement, locate a good bike suspenson guy
Great review there guys 💪
I have the rallyraid rear spring at 90nm and the ktec front springs at 6:3nm which has improved the ride from standard .
Are you all running the same tyres ? are they tubed tyres with tubes in them or tubeless with tubes on standard rims ?
Not the same tyres. All were tubed tyres.
How heavy are you without gear, if I may ask? Is the sag on the forks correct with 6.3 springs?
@@JohannesDalenMC was 95 kgs then
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks for your answer, allthough my question was for Sidestand. Cheers!
Prices? Or at least how much price difference between A (stock revalve) , B (Ktech) and C (Rally Raid)? Thanks
Watch the video mate. It's there. :(
What front fork and rear shock rally raid clicker settings did you settle on?
Hi Paul, Since that time we've been doing a lot of research and development with Rally Raid Products so it wouldn't mean much as we've been significantly altering the shim stack and other components. Sorry I couldn't be of assistance. Also due to covid I haven't been able to get access to my T700 for a couple of months. I was just about to do further testing so that is still outstanding.
Excellent topic and video!
Glad you think so!
Would be great to see a comparison between the 660 and 700 from you blokes for offroad adventure.
No we're not gong to do that, we've moved on from the 660.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Fair enough. I'm guessing you consider the 700 to be far superior. I'm considering buying one or the other
@@DJAguitars No it's not that, although it is. It's because we've moved on.
Great video. Always very informative.
Thanks again!
Love it thanks guys! What about engine performance, any up coming plans? I'm on a 1190 and want the benefits off-road the t7 brings but I fear missing the POOOOOWWWWWWEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!
Check out nerb1’s channel. He just went from a 1190 to a T7 and has some opinions you may appreciate.
I like the power of the T7, low down and useful but doesn't have the zap at higher speeds. There is an ICU upgrade that makes a difference.
@@ExpeditionaryRanger Yep already spoken to him. He doesn't miss the power. I've ridden the t7 and I agree off road the power is good but on the road I like the power. I'd consider the 7/890 but it's ugly as hell and although my 1190 has been bulletproof I'm sceptical of the ktms reliability. I dragged a MT07 that must have had some work done cos it wasn't far behind my 1190 so I know that engine has some potential but haven't seen anybody do engine mods on a t7 yet.
@madTV was the K-Tech fork the piston kit or the complete cartridge ?
was a piston kit
Do you guys have access to on bike tools similar to Racetech's "Shock Clock" so you can download suspension movement and speed to your laptop after a ride?
no
Clubbys weight vs darcys weight? In kgs?
me 94 not sure on Clubby
It would be nice to see the names of these kit and some sort of link to purchase them!
You haven't watched the whole video.
I'm sure yamaha will have an option for suspension upgrades from factory in the next year or two. Similar to the mt09 SP model with ohlins.
I think so too. It's surprising the improvements you can make just by changing the standard valving/shims. Pretty easy to do for a big factory.
I'll be watching this later today with big interest! However I'm only 70kgs, a few whisperings so far are saying "she'll be right" as standard with my weight ... ? Think I'll be adjusting out any sag for sure though.
Depends with luggage load and speed you ride and if it's in rough terrain. However, at 70 kg you should be OK with standard suspension with clickers.
what spring rate are you using front & rear for the Rally Raid set up?
Sorry Mike can't recall now. If you watch the full series of suspension video on the T7 you will find it mentioned.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Sorry, but the front spring rate of your Rally Raid spring is not ever mentioned (the oem is a few times by Clive & Nick) other than it is the same as the K-tech in this video in the 2 suspension videos...however, I did find it quoted as 6.8 in your "Bike Set Up" video, which is odd as RR only offers a 5.6, 6.0 & 6.4 option...so my apologies for not catching it there previously. How did you find going from the 90 rear spring 1st fitted by Clive with the oem shock to the RR 85 in the RR Adv shock & why did you go softer?
Clive hit nail on head revalved and springs makes it much safer and better in all conditions for most guys yah it could be better but 800 -1000 dollars well spent , comes down too $$$ more you spend plusher it gets with aftermarket pistons and or cartage's ,
agree
Any of the 3 bike have a steering dampener?
no
Thanks for this, looking forward to it!
Yeah, you'll leave it with a clearer picture of what is out there at the budget and middle market.
Excelente trabajo saludos desde Argentina 💖🤙
A R G E N T I N A !
It would be great if you could put the product names in the description, my American ears cant pick up what your saying when you name the kits
They are listed in the video. You haven't watched it to the end.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV thx
Thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure!
You should put links to products
It wasn't availalbe when this was produced
Anyone tried out camels suspension?
Nope, is it like Koala suspension?
Lol, koalas have two thumbs, camels have toes🤣
Twelve months to the day I received my tenere , every time I mount that wonderful steed, I thank all of my lucky stars I bought got it.
Thanks for your great vid!
You allow my dream bike(that I own)to get better 😏😝😝🍺🍺😝😝🥳🥳🤣
thanks ...no...nick sanders travelled the world on t7 without any modification...
You'll find Nic's videos on this channel.
t700 very good
Yes it is!
Have a look at this crash on a T700 with standard shocks, ua-cam.com/video/BK5LgeIpofk/v-deo.html , similar hole to the ones the guys were testing on. Its from MVDBR Enduro YT site a couple of weeks ago.
I think it would have helped but there are a lot of contributing factors depicted in this video, good off road tyres would have helped and riding within his personal capabilities.....he just doesn't look 'right' on the bike
Not really suspension hacks, if you just buy a 1600$ to 4000$ kit and have it installed, more like “expensive suspension kit review”
Don't agree. We have provided the lower end of suspension improvements. Other systems are more expensive again. If you don't want to spend money fiddle with the clickers.
5 dislikes; WTF.
always the way. Can't please everyone, and, or they accidently press the button.