Melting Snow Expected to Massively Expand ‘Phantom Lake' in Central Valley
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Winter rains revived Tulare Lake in the Central Valley, which displaced crops and people. It’s expected to grow to more than 200 miles as snow melt descends from the Sierras. Joe Rosato Jr. reports.
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LET THE LAKE LIVE !!!
It might stay there for quite some time, even if they try hard to drain it. El Nino is on its way and it may mean more wet winters in California for at least the next two years. The experts' warnings about "no end in sight for the California drought" will have to change their stories again.
@@joefirma2242 The ENSO meter looks fairly neutral
now how to we bring back the marine life? So that the lake becomes a proper ecosystem again?
@@cpcxgsr I believe if you leave it alone and let it live a natural life, the marine environment will take care of itself, like it did when it formed.
Tulare Lake has come back from the dead to destroy the JG Boswell company after having drained it
I wonder. Will you continue to be as sanguine when the cost of your grocery bill for fruit, nuts, beef and vegetables doubles and the cost of cotton products also double? Do you ever stop to consider the unintended consequences eco-agenda?
@@tajdvl-advocate6113 clearly those farmers should have thought twice about not planting on a lake bed then.
@@tajdvl-advocate6113 Yes. I'm prepared with extra money. Do you ever stop to consider the unintended consequences of the corporate agenda?
@@nwsportstilidie Corporations are made up of people too, Jim. So far as I have seen reported, Central Valley corporate and family farming have done nothing illegal or even unethical by conventional standards. Central CA farming has a huge effect on US food supplies. Cut those supplies and your food costs will rise accordingly, depending on the elasticity of the supply/demand relationship. Think in more than one dimension. Consider the consequences of your biases.
@@tajdvl-advocate6113 Think of the consequences of your clearly corporate bias. Climate change causes rising food cost too, which I'm already experiencing. You think in more than one dimension. The environment affecting the economics! The environment didn't do anything illegal either!
It’s not a climate in crisis. It’s a climate reclaiming what belongs there
Exactly. I can't get over the tone of this news story.
@Epic. Bruh/Sis, you nailed it. I've spoken 😂.
For humans the effects of the climate change are going to become a crisis when homes, businesses, farms and crops are getting destroyed too often at a scale that is too large, whether it is by floods or droughts or tornado's or other severe weather phenomena, or a combination from all the above. If it happens too often at a scale that is too large it becomes too hard or even impossible to recover from it. And that is not only happening in the US but all over the planet. A single event is not too hard to recover from, because most countries have stockpiles of certain products. But you can't have that happening too many times n a row.
When you go buy food in the grocery store, what most people do, you don't pay the local price, but you pay for the global price from the ingredients that make the product that you buy. So for example, if there is a big problem with the supply of grain because a large grain producing country is under an illegal attack by its neighboring country, the price of your groceries go up because everything else where grain is used to produce or grow products will become more expensive. And that is true for all sorts of products across the entire world. Grain is a very good example because grain is not just used to make products such as bread and cookies, but it is also widely used to grow the animals that we eat.
The United nations already warned a year ago for global food shortages, and the number of people that experienced food shortages raised in two years time from 136 million people to 276 million people. And when there are shortages the laws of demand and supply do what they always do. If there is a large demand and a short supply you are going to pay more for the same product.
A flood doesn't have to be bad for nature, but the irregularity and the increasing severeness of the weather events that comes with the climate change makes it dangerous for our society. We need an infrastructure with a certain reliability rate otherwise our food production will become unsustainable for us humans. And that is a situation that is a recipe for wars and other mayhem. And wars and other mayhem causes mass migration of people. So one thing leads to another.
"This was slated as farmland." By who? It's like the developers on the east coast selling lots and building houses. Once it is done it is out of their hands. And the city got paid in permits/taxes/etc. Big companies own the land the tomatoes are grown in. I worked for a packing house there. They made a bet with mother nature and lost. You'd think they had the money to pay attention to geological surveys. We'll probably bail them out.
Here’s a tip: Don’t put your farms in a lake.
It's how some businesses go underwater.
Look into chinampas, it’s an ancient Aztec farming technique that’s actually pretty cool and would work very well in Tulare lake
@@Babaloomi Maybe we should learn SOMETHING from them...
Here's another tip: Let's not put our farms in deserts.
Why? If good farmland floods and is unusable 1 year per 25 years, it's still very much worth farming the land. All the critics yammering about in the YT comments clearly don't understand basic economics.
"you don't mess around with mother nature"
*Proceeds to build higher levees in an attempt to mess around with mother nature*
😆😆😂😂🤣😂 🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸
What do you expect them to do? 15% of California tomato crop is MA$$IVE incentive to remain in place....
Or at least respect her. But yeah: Humanity’s great triumph is its conquest over Mother Nature, but also most likely its demise.
@Telco nerd it has :) Owens lake has returned in this wet season as well, the immense waters are truly remarkable this year.
They should work to keep the lake there. That big of a lake will help cool the area because the water will absorb the sunlight and hold it more than soil does. Plus the humidity from the lake will help with the local climate. One possible solution would be if the water level drops again, dig a much smaller but much deeper area for the water to go, so instead of a massive lake, just have a smaller but much deeper permanent lake.
They will never do that. They just like to have something to complain about
It's so amazing to see this lake come back. Hopefully, farmers let it soak back into aquifers instead of draining like before.
They're going to drain it.
I have faith that somehow California will find a way to compound the damages overall for the long term.
There's a layer of impermeable clay underneath Tulare Lake. It'll take awhile to soak in. A lot of it will evaporate.
@@jerradwilson Most, in fact, will evaporate.
@@johnperic6860 then spent billions to drain the lake to put farms there 40 years ago
The Ghost lake they drained. Oh my how Mother Nature is speaking back 💯🙏🙌💪🕊️
Its not farmland its a ghost lake let it be.
Seems like an opportunity to help recharge the underground aquifers. When I was living around the Monterey Bay area they were already talking about salt water intrusion to the local aquifer. They nee to be prepared to take advantage of extremely wet years like this has been.
I mean....it takes YEARS to build the infrastructure to do that. By the time it's ready the lake will be gone. So would be a gamble IF it ever floods again
They were talking about salt water intrusion 35 years ago...
Human overpopulation is the only bad thing on the planet, it destroys all good and natural. Humans have destroyed and polluted the only things that really matter: NATURE
Tulare lake is not a ghost lake. It is a natural lake that one business person tried to delete.
This is nature telling him where to go. Californians should maintain that lake. That lake has a dramatic positive impact on a large part of California.
sucks for the community, but i am rooting for the water to return.
A disaster sadly.
@@jkardez4794 the mosquitos will be crazy!
no one told them to put their house in a damn lake.
@@jkardez4794 No, the disaster happened when they diverted the water that used to run into lake Tulare and caused it to dry up.
@@Baronstone Yes. Blame rests with a cotton farmer from Mississippi, a damned stupid crop to grow in an endorheic basin. Or a desert.
Welcome back lake! We missed you. And you're right back where you're supposed to be. Great news.
What LEFT was a CLEAN Fresh WATER lake. What is returning is a filthy toxic soup of a lake unfit for drinking water, swimming or recreation.
Plus el niño is arriving in a few months, man that lake is here to STAY.
There should not be a town in this location.
It is farmland, not residential area.
@@Babaloomi I’m not disputing it is now a lake. I’m disputing that there was a town in this location.
@@RaymondHng It has always been a lake. The city is legit in the lakebed that humans caused to dry up.
If the water's going to be around a while, the farmers should adapt and grow rice.
The water levels are too deep to farm rice.
@@RaymondHng build some Aztec chinampas (floating gardens) lol
@@RaymondHngyou can do crawfish and another plant then.
Nature is taking back what's hers.
Even worse, sections of the Sierra Nevada Range that feed mountain streams into this basin are still under 10ft of hard snowpack and underneath the snow, its burned to crisp. The "Windy Fire" of 2021 turned thick, canopied, shady forests with spongey floors into a charred wasteland.. dead skeleton trees, no shade, even the soils are burned right down to the hard mineral soil and rock. That water will run off FAST when its starts heating up.
You do realize that wildfires are a natural and necessary part of ecosystems correct? Or are you just repeating "climate crisis" idiocy?
Really? I cant believe the forest burned!! That has never happened before, the forest will never come back as the ground is so toxic from the carbon!!😢
@@harrybarnhill8029 Did anyone say or suggest that fires are uncommon? Or that the forest won't eventually recover?
Scroll back up, re-read, and note a technical comment about melt rate and water retention in the Tule basin being affected by the Windy Fire of 2021.
If you read more into that, well that's on you.
@@stevewest6133 no they wont recover!! The fires made the forest toxic for life!!! These are not normal fires!!!!!!!
Fascinating observations and I hope people prepare for flood conditions.
We should adjust ourselves to nature not fighting it as nature will win every time ..
Lakes that big will always find a way back...they have the force of Mother Nature behind them, and there no stopping her. (Hu)Man is so foolish to think he can move rivers...water goes where it wants....whether it's the sea, river's or lakes.
That's why all women should stop shaving it all, and go all-over NATURAL! Hairy girls rock!
It's a blessing in disguise, but mostly a blessing.
In fact, farmers have received the message in time and have not planted any crops
The one farmer mentioned, that the barn was super-cheap, temporary, and always expected to go under, sonner or later.
Mother Nature is a beautiful thing!
She’s also unforgivably deadly. There will be unforeseen consequences of the lake reforming and they will be unforgiving in many dimensions.
Mother Nature is not a thing. She is Mother. She sustain us. All lives on earth.
Tulare is NOT a phantom lake; it's a man-made ecological disaster and it's return is expected despite the invasiveness of these farms.
the lake didn't dry up. it was drained. the jg boswell drained it to grow cotton.
Time to eminent domain Tulare lake, make it a park and reservoir.
Complain about having droughts.
Complain about having water. 😵💫
Ah California
I can’t believe Mother Nature would have the audacity... Those poor victims living and working in the confines of a natural lake need to bring a class action lawsuit!
So who to sui? Mother nature, your funny.
Looks like the State prison at Corcoran will get an eviction notice? Wonder what they were thinking when they build a super giant and expensive prison in a dry lake bed?
The lake was there first! So the farming company that original drained the lake, then overpumped the ground water to lower the elevation, is now getting flooded. lol.
CA should buy out all the farmers and let Tulare Lake remain as a natural reservoir and environmental resource. Even with a modest size of 400 square miles (historically it was as much as 700) and average depth of 10 feet (some areas could be much deeper) it can store over 2.5 million acre feet of water and be third largest reservoir in California. The same goes for Owen's Lake which CA spent billions to mitigate the dust problems caused by it being dry and have no addressed the environmental damage of heavy metal poisoning in local communities. Stop draining them as fast as they fill and build up a reserve. Restore the natural habitats and conserve the water.
California shouldn’t pay anything and just take the lake back because they didn’t have a right to sell the lake in the first place
@@brennanbourque2621 I'm pretty sure the land was State land and at some point the State let farmers drain it and then let farmers buy parcels. I see no Federal lands in that area. Of course this all happened long long ago before anyone considered the environment or consequences of draining hundreds of square miles of lake.
This is just one more reason to NOT Trust the Government. This is not some freak of nature, everyone who has lived in this area for more than a week has heard of this lake. They knew how deep it was and how much of an area it covered and yet as soon as it dries up they go and build houses right in the middle of an area where the lake was once 20 or 30 feet deep, and all of this happened with the blessing of the government. There is an area in the Houston, Texas area where homes costing between $3 and $4 Hundred Thousand dollars were built, once again with the blessing of the local government. The houses were built even though everyone knew that this was a designated flood plain. In heavy rain or storms, the levee upstream releases water to prevent the levee from overflowing, and that water goes right into the flood plane just as it intended. Both of these situations have one thing in common they were caused by stupid people who were more concerned with making a buck then doing what was right.
Tulare lake was never 20 or 30 feet deep. In most places, it was only a few inches deep. The deepest parts were only about 10 feet deep. How do I know this? I grew up in Alpaugh which is on land that used to be an island in the southern part of the lake.
Let the lake fill. Will likely change the climate in the area and cause a water cycle to evaporate/rain/snow/melt
Tulare lake will help restore (much of?) the underground valley floor water shed that was sucked up by big AG wells for crops, making some communities run out of well water.
That’s dependent on the permeability of the lake bed. Hint: the old lake bed is impermeable clay. Most of the water will evaporate, not percolate. Further, a stagnant lake will cause both algae and mosquito blooms of epic proportions.
@TAJ Dvl-Advocate TDA, you are so correct. There is really no natural, consistent fresh water flow into the lake basin. It will grow stagnant through time. All the dams and aqueducts built over these past years have seen to it.
Y'all really need to stop calling it a ghost lake. Permanent farmland was never meant for that man-made dry lake bed. I hope she comes back with a vengeance.
What if this is the new normal.
It's not. This is how California water cycles. Or is supposed to.
It's the old normal the way it's supposed to be
Instead of fighting against nature, why not embrace it. Keep the lake, and adapt around it. Surprised the environment crazies of California aren't rejoicing over the lake coming back?
does not fit their narrative
If it doesn’t rain, it’s a drought. If it rains too much it’s a flood. Does the media ever feel content or is everything a crisis?
Fear is the great equalizer.....
Are you people actually complaining about the water in this area?? That lake should have never been drained!
if it "sometimes returns" then it is not dry lol.
I think these farmers should be compensated for their land by the state of CA and then it should become immediately a state park so that it can be nurtured back to health within a confined area and reforested around the lake, thus healing the river, aquifers, and central valley topsoil for future generations
Why should my tax dollars go to compensating stupid and greedy farmers? It's bad enough that we have to subsidize them they don't grow anything. Then they get sell the water to municipalities for huge profits.
Shhh your making sense
You know the companies that own large part of these lands are worth billions, and you think its tax payers would be happy to hear the state rescuing large corp again?
@@Skeletomania the state ought to buy the land back and force the company to move elsewhere. no coddling it like the federal govt has done for the banks.
2 yrs is wishful thinking, they should plan on having the original lake back and move forward instead of selling denial.
Yep...Denial is not just a river in Egypt....it's a endorheic lake in California.
Yes, restore the lake forever!
I hope they stock it with Fish
No need it is already filling up with fish naturally. This is called revitalization of natural habitat.
Please don't. Humans fuck up anything we try to "fix" or "improve". Like draining a massive lake for farming.
We need water in California ❤
Human Hubris and greed led to draining the lake ages ago. Now mother nature is reasserting itself.
Move your farms to some place that actually makes sense!
That water will evaporate and cause more rain which is good.
But there's no guarantee that the rain from evaporation will occur in California or even the United States.
@@RaymondHng wrong, there’s planes that trigger clouds to make rain
Hopefully it will remain as it is!
It will be more than 2 years. If El Nino develops as anticipated, California should expect another wet winter this year.
beautiful water.
Nature finds a way
Where I'm from in the San Gabriel Valley of Southern California, they have built massive housing developments on dry river beds coming from the mountains. They have flooded massively before but not in decades. Then they built the houses. What could happen? Good luck, Azusa and Glendora.
Half of that mountain range burned a short time ago - because the USFS and LA County FIRE - have no clue HOW to fight wildland fires. NO CLUE. They are part of a club that includes OCFA. The least educated in the space.
Anyone who watched that fire, would agree.
Burned forest in mountains = mudslides when it rains.
The lake coming back isn't a climate crisis,drought is.
that drive looks like these dreams i keep having and water is on both sides and somehow we end up driving in the water
This could be a good thing in the long run, Replenishing the minerals and flushing the accumulated salts
The Climate Is Not In Crisis.
Replenishing the aquifer and resting the farm soil.
Unfortunately there is a clay layer under the lake that inhibits percolation.
Floods can however lead to fertile land. I hope that this lake is there for good tho
@@danielcarroll3358 Your correct about the deep layer of clay. Hopefully the aquifer that has been drained down above the clay be partially restore.
We drained a lake then built permanent homes and farms in it, what a great idea!
We had the largest indoor tomato farm in the world here in Ventura County. It could have helped make up for the shortfall this year. But alas, they sold the facilities to a cannabis farm. Priorities, I guess.
Let the lake return there's plenty of land on higher ground to plant. We need to recharge the aquifer and bring back the lake.
That water is going to be evaporating and precipitating all summer long! AC the way mother nature interended!
Why does the news make everything seem like a disaster?!? This lake is GOOD news, not bad news. Without that water those farmers would be screwed as would many more. Wtf?
It's not a ghost lake when humans drained it in the first place
That would be huge benefit to the soil below.
This lake has a long history yet most of Californian doesn't know it existence. We need to preserve the lake farmers can go somewhere else.
I find it interesting that the weather men are saying this will last a year, but the farmers are saying it will last at least two years
WONDER WHO THE CLIMATE FREAKS ARE GONNA BLAME THIS ONE ON !!!!!!
WATER =LIFE
Wow, that's amazing.
Save Tulare lake! We can find the money to buy out the farmers. This huge ancient wetlands ecosystem should have never been drained and destroyed by a cotton farmer in the first place.
Let the Beautiful lake Live! And nurture it with tax dollars is the Best investment in the future. Amen.
Why do you have to buy out the farmers? Why should the taxpayer buy a farm that's under twenty feet of water.
Just Eminent Domain it.
It is a condition of it's use for farming that it can be a lake at any time. Not a surprise to farmers there. It's also why it is the most fertile land. Only the news complains "the worst is yet to come"
@@LarsDennert The best is yet to come. Nature winning. I just love seeing the return of this lake. A bright spot in this year.
GOOD! We can grow vegetables in the Midwest too!
Mother Nature recapturing the land is not flooding.
Good for California... no more drought. 😅😊😂
Not a "crisis" it's a beautiful thing...so we lose some crop land for a few years whatever
It will interrupt food production but it will refill the aquifer and distribute sediment and minerals for the soil. Sort term bad, long term great
Dan, you are being short-sighted. That water is being contaminated from chemicals and nitrates from years of farming, plus the cattle. Contaminated water that goes into ground water resources is not a good thing.
Tulare Lake was always a lake it just became a Seasonal Lake due to Humans...its not a Phantom.
The Kern Watershed melt will be 422% above normal and there is no place for it to go, except the Tulare Lake bed.
The past practice was to divert waters to the San Joaquin River, but that is not possible as it is flooding.
The dryTulare lake bed will soon be a 300 square mile lake. Flooding nearby fields first or trying to raise the levee 3 feet will not work.
The State needs to begin evacuations now. Corcoran needs to be evacuated.
You feel bad for the folks living there, but also what do you expect?
They reclaimed a lake.
It's like building a home on the coast only to be surprised when it erodes away.
Nature will always take back what belongs to nature and this land and lake belongs to nature.
it could of been avoided if we never took the naturalness from it
The Columbia`s discharge is 11 times the Colorado river. Move water.
Awesome
California: We're in a drought!! It's soo dry, we need more water!!
Massive amount of water comes in.
California: not like this!! We don't want THIS water!!
lol So true!
This is not a climate in crisis. This is humans rerouting natural waterflows.
This is how we tamed the rivers!
Maps of the 1600 s show the Central Valley as an inland sea
My guess is, if we'd use reforestation and perma-culture to replenish the water-tables, we'd be living in paradise.
It was the work of one cotton farming company, they drained the lake to grow cotton
After they ruined the local ecology in GA, they came to CA and the state gave them permission to destroy the ecology here.
Keep the lake!
mother's nature: I'm taking back my world
It might even last longer should we have another winter like the one we had.😲
I'm still unsure by the video if this is welcome new for CA. IMO, it sounds like it ultimately is.
The news can't tell you good news or you might not feel awful and need to buy things in order to feel better...
any farmer worth his salt will tell you not to farm bottom land. I wonder how much of this farmland was claimed from what was KNOWN to be lake basin.....
Nature finds a way...
Water is Life, and sometimes it's Strife!
Complaints that Tulare Lake is refilling and the Salton Sea is shrinking, come on California, make up your mind.
I feel for the farmers but on the other hand its dumb to build their infrastructure on a lake then complain that they are flooding. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
The lake didn’t disappeared.
It was drained by the guy who wanted to plant cotton.
Lets see if the government is responsible with the water, i doubt it, I'm sure there will be no restrictions on use driving them back to a water shortage within a couple years.
Is there a way we can actually put all that water to good use? I know the flooding is a massive problem but can we do something to find some silver lining?
Yes late it be come a national treasure with plants and animals
2022 experts: it will take decades to recover from the drought
2023 experts: a lake that disappeared is now back…
Almost like they are guessing
A ghost created by profits, coming back to haunt the same.