What if the Prosecution faces Penalties too?

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  • @gradualdecay
    @gradualdecay Рік тому +710

    Von Karma's only stain on his perfect record was a penalty. It must have been especially humiliating if he's the only prosecutor who's ever received one.

    • @potsdam28
      @potsdam28 10 місяців тому +18

      Judge didn’t give it though his boss did

    • @Mathee
      @Mathee 10 місяців тому +78

      @@potsdam28 No it was the judge, but afterwards the chief prosecutor was like "You gotta stop forging evidence, man. You were too close to getting caught this time".
      Ace Attorney Investigations 2 actually gives us context for what happened during the trial, as during one of the cases, you play part of it as Gregory in the past, with Edgeworth solving the case in the present. Turns out the reason why that trial went on for a year and Von Karma got that penalty, was because the victim's body disappeared from the crime scene, and Von Karma had covered it up

    • @toshinoriyagi1887
      @toshinoriyagi1887 6 місяців тому +9

      ​@@Mathee no Von Karma didnt get the penalty because of that even he wasnt told anything about the disapperance of the body and that the autopsy report was forged
      The Chief prosecutor has told the lead detective to not tell him about it
      And he got his Penalty because Edgeworth showed the court a recording of Karma and the detective forcing a confession out of the Defendant

    • @joaolima7131
      @joaolima7131 5 місяців тому +12

      ​​​​​​@Zalkovayou know forced confession is forged evidence too right? The forced confession alone was on Von Karma. Also, everything was covered up, if the Chief was a suspect, he would've been caught a lot earlier, Edgeworth only started to suspect him after Kay was kidnapped, you are basically expecting everything to be laid out in the first game, also it was the first game of the franchise, they weren't even expecting to be successful nor have sequels

  • @thebrightdiamondtp7871
    @thebrightdiamondtp7871 Рік тому +634

    It’d be actually interesting to see prosecutors with a penalty gauge of their own ingame, with the bar/badges decreasing as you progress through the case and beat them.

    • @royalfool0230
      @royalfool0230 Рік тому +17

      Isn't this what happens in the Investigations games?

    • @thebrightdiamondtp7871
      @thebrightdiamondtp7871 Рік тому +71

      @@royalfool0230 It is but that’s only there because you’re playing as Edgeworth.

    • @kleinersboss
      @kleinersboss 4 місяці тому +5

      but how would that work if they are programmed
      it cant be 2 player or else the case idea wouldint work

    • @thebrightdiamondtp7871
      @thebrightdiamondtp7871 4 місяці тому +5

      @@kleinersboss Maybe like a standard boss health bar?

    • @GHOSTRIDER-nu6fb
      @GHOSTRIDER-nu6fb 3 місяці тому +4

      I mean unlike the defense the judge cannot give penalties to prosecutor ,only the chief prosecutor can do that, that's why prosecutors have more power in the court.

  • @RikouHogashi
    @RikouHogashi 10 місяців тому +259

    When the Judge is BEING A ACTUAL IMPARTIAL JUDGE and not a Prosecutor Simp

    • @Heather_exe
      @Heather_exe 3 місяці тому +8

      We're all Prosecutor Simps, to be totally fair.

    • @RikouHogashi
      @RikouHogashi 3 місяці тому +3

      @@Heather_exe well I wasn't I like my justice to be accurate and fair (call it boring if you want this is just my opinion)

    • @Heather_exe
      @Heather_exe 3 місяці тому +2

      @@RikouHogashi no prob! If you're not, you're not, if you are, then you are! :DDD

  • @CitrusRex
    @CitrusRex Рік тому +236

    “Phoenix is the main character! He can just reload saves when he messes up!”
    i actually backed myself into a corner where i thought i had to present evidence to further the case, but instead i had to NOT present evidence, so i reloaded after presenting the wrong evidence like 30 times… finally i clicked through the penalty and realized i was wrong

    • @jeffbenton6183
      @jeffbenton6183 9 місяців тому +9

      This was the Lana Skye case, wasn't it?
      (If I'm wrong and it's not in the Phoneix Wright trilogy, or if it's case 5 of Trials and Tribualtions, no spoilers, please)

    • @CitrusRex
      @CitrusRex 9 місяців тому +14

      @@jeffbenton6183 yes, it was! spoilers for that case ahead:
      It was where you had the option to present evidence to try and incriminate Damon Gant, but the actual correct answer was to just wait to present evidence. I kept reloading onto the present screen before I found out you actually have to not present anything.

    • @vatsalyasobjections
      @vatsalyasobjections  9 місяців тому +7

      i think you should've used a walkthrough/guide or something at this point

    • @CitrusRex
      @CitrusRex 9 місяців тому +7

      @@vatsalyasobjections i think i actually did… usually i hate using walkthroughs as i want to do the game myself, but at that point i had almost exhausted all my other options

    • @Speakerman420
      @Speakerman420 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@CitrusRexBro fr i thought i had to present smth to Gant but all you has to do was spam press on him 💀

  • @memenumnoscopus
    @memenumnoscopus 7 місяців тому +46

    Penalty for whipping? Franziska won't last 5 minutes in the courtroom.

    • @TheLastRaven6
      @TheLastRaven6 5 місяців тому +7

      Blackquill: *Breaks his cuffs.*
      Judge: DOUBLE PENALTY!
      BlackQuill: *Cuts bit of wrights or Apollos hair*
      Judge: PENALTY!
      Taka: *Attacks someone.*
      Judge: FFS! Double Penalty!

  • @user-el9ve6kl2n
    @user-el9ve6kl2n 11 місяців тому +93

    The Judge mentions giving penalties occasionally to the prosecution, we just dont have a visual indication of it. I definitely remember him saying that to Franziska during a case

    • @joshuawillis602
      @joshuawillis602 5 місяців тому +25

      You’re correct. He threatened to penalize her when she tried hiding important photographic evidence.

    • @techno1561
      @techno1561 3 місяці тому +7

      Von Karma (elder) famously did a murder because he got a penalty

    • @joshuawillis602
      @joshuawillis602 3 місяці тому +5

      @@techno1561 actually the Chief prosecutor gave him a penalty then not the judge.

  • @edwinkjellzahn
    @edwinkjellzahn Рік тому +116

    Considering how completely free of oversight prosecutors conduct themselves with (at least in the US), it probably would be good idea implement penalties

    • @vatsalyasobjections
      @vatsalyasobjections  Рік тому +16

      Agreed

    • @potsdam28
      @potsdam28 10 місяців тому

      I hear Japan is worse

    • @magnusprime962
      @magnusprime962 7 місяців тому +12

      They do exist IRL, but how often they’re enforced varies. A lot of the stuff the prosecution gets away with in this series would never fly in US courts though. An updated autopsy report that wasn’t shared with the defense would be enough to get a case thrown out.

  • @rylade475
    @rylade475 11 місяців тому +164

    Godot: This trial will be over after my 17th cup of coffee.
    Judge: 17 cups of coffee?! In that case, how about 17 penalties?

    • @vatsalyasobjections
      @vatsalyasobjections  11 місяців тому +39

      destroyed 💀💀

    • @kellenfox587
      @kellenfox587 11 місяців тому +25

      *spits out a waterfall of coffee, presumably all 17 cups*

    • @skiller5034
      @skiller5034 10 місяців тому +17

      Spitting out coffee everywhere is also a penalty!
      And throwing your coffee mug at the defense? You bet that's a penalty!

    • @kellenfox587
      @kellenfox587 10 місяців тому +7

      @@skiller5034 Looks like the one getting the unlimited penalty is Godot

    • @kieranashley119
      @kieranashley119 10 місяців тому +4

      Bringing Coffee into Court? That's a penalty!

  • @55alegria
    @55alegria 7 місяців тому +34

    The real reason why the judge decided to change the rules was probably because he got tired of the prosecution's abuse (more precisely, of Franziska's whip)

  • @rockincradilyyyy8489
    @rockincradilyyyy8489 11 місяців тому +87

    This could honestly make for an interesting case, here’s my idea
    At some point in the investigation the killer out right admits the entire case to phoenix because they know that there won’t be sufficient enough evidence, so instead to win the case phoenix has to somehow get the prosecutor to rack up enough penalties to automatically lose the case

    • @notherapy4u
      @notherapy4u 5 місяців тому

      Wouldn't that make the judge find the killer innocent if the prosecution loses?

    • @vatsalyasobjections
      @vatsalyasobjections  5 місяців тому +5

      The defendant will be declared innocent, not the killer. He didn't mention that the defendant was actually the killer

  • @TheGaymer-nj9jt
    @TheGaymer-nj9jt 10 місяців тому +19

    Considering how many times the prosecution has knowingly concealed evidence from the defense, this seems absolutely necessary

  • @narudyholmesie
    @narudyholmesie 11 місяців тому +16

    This is absolutely amazing work!
    But might I ask: How the hell did you get that GBA gallery complete with the actual gallery people and sprites for the prosecution and defense?

  • @catabolicusagi
    @catabolicusagi 5 місяців тому +15

    I like the small texts that appear sometimes. They're like talking to the voices in my head

  • @PhoenixTrite-yc7fn
    @PhoenixTrite-yc7fn Рік тому +28

    Amazingly done work.

  • @vintprox
    @vintprox Рік тому +17

    Justice will be served! xDDD

  • @k.w.pillsbury4070
    @k.w.pillsbury4070 3 місяці тому +3

    Goddamn. The Von Karma’s would earn so many, SO fast.

  • @k.w.pillsbury4070
    @k.w.pillsbury4070 3 місяці тому +2

    I love how the Updated Autopsy Report can always just be defeated with one word “Why?”
    Why did you ask to have it updated? What purpose did that serve? Is this just an attempt to get evidence that only serves you, or is this a complete and total fabrication?

  • @kinopiko01
    @kinopiko01 9 місяців тому +20

    I find it conflicting how Mitsurugi couldn't handle having penalties when he literally has them in his spinoff game 😂

    • @R2121
      @R2121 6 місяців тому

      Isn't Edgeworth acting as a Defense Attorney in the Investigations games?

    • @vatsalyasobjections
      @vatsalyasobjections  6 місяців тому +1

      Only as an assistant in GK2(I think?), that too after losing his badge.
      According to the timeline PW trilogy comes before AAI so it would be his first time gettig a penalty.

  • @kyaksachan502
    @kyaksachan502 Рік тому +16

    The ultimate karmatic bitchslap of the century and I live for it.
    Idr which case it was but it cemented my hatred the absurdities that Prosecution gets away with.

  • @Gogo-zv4hy
    @Gogo-zv4hy 11 місяців тому +15

    This is what would happen in a spin-off where we kept the accusation during the trials

  • @doctorwhat779
    @doctorwhat779 Місяць тому +1

    Can you imagine how our boi Wright's life would be easier? He could end cases just penalties instead of an actual defense

  • @SuperSquad64
    @SuperSquad64 4 місяці тому +1

    Where did you get the judge with gavel sprites

  • @marsplague6140
    @marsplague6140 6 місяців тому +2

    Franziska would straight be put in prison for several assault

  • @baki-son-of-ogre
    @baki-son-of-ogre 17 днів тому

    Finalmente justiça
    Advogados são muito injustiçados em Ace Attorney

  • @CM006yt
    @CM006yt 5 місяців тому +1

    The fact that the objection 2004 Mario sunshine version came on by ikiwi genuinely caught me off guard, real good

  • @DarknessXxMaster
    @DarknessXxMaster 20 днів тому

    So then...throwing coffee, hitting people with a whip, false evidence and interrupting the defense during a cross examination would all be penalized. That would make the game far too easy😂

  • @moon4236
    @moon4236 11 місяців тому +2

    Reminds me of PLvsAA since you can receive a penalty as the prosecution there lol (and Phoenix is very enthusiastic about it)

  • @SoraFan23
    @SoraFan23 25 днів тому

    Yeah you know why is that the Defense gets Penalites yet the Prosectuors don't get it?

  • @badrinath5306
    @badrinath5306 5 місяців тому +1

    Penalties were handed to prosecutors in game. The most important being Manfreds only penalty in his career. Miles got a penalty in case 5 of the first game for being negligent (not finding the weapon in his cars out valve and not listening to Meekins report). In the same case his next penalty was for apparentally using forged evidence in the case with Lana Skye however both never solidified as he was excused for the first one and the was found innocent of the second one. Frnasiska was abt to get penalized for whipping but didn't cause the judge didn't dare. After that the second Payne (Winston forever) was accused of forgery as indicated in the ending of dual destinies and Edgeworth penalized him and then removed him from service leading to his re-location, conversion and promotion in Khura'in. I doubt Sebastian got out scott free exactly after his fathers shenanigans. Though t was violent and law breaching Godot was never even considered for penalizing over the cups of coffee on Wright. Gavin was also not penalized nor was close to until he decided to admit regarding the shady data given by his brother however it doesn't seem to have really affected him at all as he was fine by the time of dual destinies. I am not that good at the new games but I think black was almost penalized for his bird sitting on the judges head but was able to manipulate his way out of it. Samdhadi was sort of penalized I guess but it wasn't exactly a penalty either. He was only blackmailed theough out.

  • @Potatooknight
    @Potatooknight 6 місяців тому +1

    Imagine ace attorney PvP 💀

  • @Scythr2s
    @Scythr2s 3 місяці тому

    You know it would be great battle between defense and prosecutor in showing evidence. Whenever the defense shows the correct evidence then later as the prosecutor messed it up earns a penalty as a health bar.

  • @ensndkdndne-Eusjsnsns
    @ensndkdndne-Eusjsnsns 7 місяців тому +2

    Even better, witnesses.

  • @DARS_04
    @DARS_04 11 місяців тому +3

    If any of the two parties present a witness, the other party has the right to cross examination

    • @reeman2.0
      @reeman2.0 10 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, I always thought it was bullshit that I had to point out the lies in my own client's testimony. Couldn't I just lie and say my client's telling the truth? Lol.

    • @dylanzlol7293
      @dylanzlol7293 9 місяців тому +4

      ​​@@reeman2.0 imagine if it was phoenix wright having to shoot down the prosecution's objections about YOUR witness's testimony with evidence or dialogue choices.

    • @reeman2.0
      @reeman2.0 9 місяців тому +1

      @@dylanzlol7293 I think that would be pretty fun. It reminds me of that one civil case in Apollo Justice(?) where Phoenix is the plaintiff suing your client for theft or something similar, I wonder what it would have been like if we played as Phoenix during that case.

  • @jamesmacleod1212
    @jamesmacleod1212 8 місяців тому +1

    how about what if Ace Attorney follows the US law system? Having both DA's and prosecutors learn about discovery will have me in stitches laughing

  • @Awelbeckk
    @Awelbeckk 2 місяці тому

    Didn't mr von karma got a penalty once?

  • @tylerhrunek
    @tylerhrunek 7 місяців тому +1

    Now it’s the prosecutions’ turn to be trolled.

  • @KirbyLinkACW
    @KirbyLinkACW 3 місяці тому

    Considering Ace Attorney started as a parody of Japan's legal system, you might've actually solved a nationwide issue with this.

  • @ConstantineCatacuzenos
    @ConstantineCatacuzenos Рік тому +2

    nice objection lol

  • @robertlupa8273
    @robertlupa8273 Рік тому +5

    Dat Objection 2004 remix tho

    • @josselinlouis6538
      @josselinlouis6538 Рік тому +1

      It's from a video about phoenix defending mario in super mario sunshine. It's from the UA-cam channel ikiwed.

    • @DaDompy
      @DaDompy 11 місяців тому

      Pizza tower

  • @eldonmariano781
    @eldonmariano781 2 місяці тому

    Yay someone who uses gba sprites/size

  • @erhanjpg1467
    @erhanjpg1467 Рік тому +2

    Now this is just.

  • @MinorLife10
    @MinorLife10 Рік тому +1

    Hey, cool done music. I haven't ever heard the 8-bit Objection 2013

    • @aishutoon4553
      @aishutoon4553 11 місяців тому +2

      Wait I recognize that music. It’s from a video where Phoenix defends Mario in Mario sunshine

    • @MinorLife10
      @MinorLife10 11 місяців тому

      @@aishutoon4553 That sounds cursed enough to make ma check it out

  • @addisonfung5009
    @addisonfung5009 11 місяців тому

    Unless you add a PvP case, otherwise its just impossible.

  • @Lou-yf1jo
    @Lou-yf1jo 3 місяці тому

    wtf why are you placing comments during the video?

  • @archivist_13
    @archivist_13 Рік тому +1

    Very nice

  • @cheezemonkeyeater
    @cheezemonkeyeater 6 місяців тому

    "Two colas please!"

  • @hauntedmedic373
    @hauntedmedic373 11 місяців тому

    I love the idea of this!

  • @WarHelmetCombine
    @WarHelmetCombine 4 місяці тому

    I would love to see something like AI Generated Trials and the further you push through, the more the prosecutor's bar lowers.

  • @tailsfan11westandwithukraine

    Did you really have to put in a fourth wall break there? 🤦‍♂️

  • @capital_of_texas
    @capital_of_texas 10 місяців тому

    But...but prosecutors literally have special immunity for their performance...

  • @cheezemonkeyeater
    @cheezemonkeyeater 6 місяців тому

    Interesting fact: every aspect of this game design is meant to be a critique against the judicial system in Japan. The reason the prosecutors don't also face penalties is because the game is meant to feel like it's biased against you because Japan's judicial system heavily biases against the defense.

    • @joaolima7131
      @joaolima7131 5 місяців тому

      It's worse considering Japan still have the death penalty even when having a biased judicial system