First, all of the products I mention in my Michael Chapiro, founder of Chroma interview: ✅ Get a Chroma Ironforge here: aferg.co/chroma-ironforge ✅ Get a Chroma D-Light for vitamin D creation here: aferg.co/chroma-vitamin-d ✅ Get a Chroma Sky Portal for daytime wakefulness and mood-boosting effects here: aferg.co/chroma-sky-portal Next up, all the resources I mention in my Michael Chapiro interview: ✅ My epic Facebook group on red light therapy and more: aferg.co/fb-group ✅ The Chroma blog and newsletter of Michael Chapiro: www.getchroma.co/ ✅ Full playlist of my 2022 body panel red light therapy comparison series with all episodes: aferg.co/RLT-2021-playlist - if you're short on time then check out the summary episode towards the end of the playlist ✅ My excel sheet for comparing different panels to their competition: aferg.co/rlt-data ✅ For my red light therapy buyer's guide blog, follow this link: aferg.co/RLTguide ✅ My red light testing methodology for reviews video: aferg.co/rlt-testing-method ✅ My red light therapy blog with many deep dive articles: aferg.co/redlightblog
i have spoken to mike and matt a few times and their products are excellent. Defiantely feel benefits right away and they definately make your skin stronger in the sun. purchased a full panel just waiting to finish my new place so i can set it all up
Alex, I have a question. I have heard many people talk about RLT in connection with sunlight and the circadian rythm, but I don't understand why no one ever mentions campfires? We as humans have spent nights around campfires for hundreds of thousands of years, and it's one of the most relaxing, mesmerizing and soothing things there are, whether looking into the flames or a glowing bed of embers. Yet nobody seems to ask the question of how campfires affect melanin or mitochondria and all the known effects of RLT. Wouldn't it be interesting to see if the LED wavelengths that are used for RLT are present in open flames and glowing ember?
Hey, yes good points. You may want to check out Sauna Space - aferg.co/1Uc5Bfu - I was speaking to the founder at the recent Health Optimisation Summit (recorded interview will be out soon!) and he referred to this exact phenomena - and the benefits associated with it. So you may want to keep an eye out for that video. His products are also designed to mimic the effects of a fire - with the heat and the light benefits.
After watching this interview, I’d love to see you, Alex, do a full review of this IronForge soon. Looks very promising for someone like me with limited time & space, that’s already sold on Red Light Therapy! I’m hoping you can “get your hands on one of these,” lol, with a discount code as well! Win/Win/Win
Some of the studies used 633 red and 850 infared and a few other specific wavelengths. That's why it started there. But the studies have said the specific wavelength may be key
I have two criticisms of the Chroma. First, the industrial design includes bolts that stick out of the front, and snag in your hair as you move it around your body. Second and most annoying, there is a really long cable, which is good, but he put the switch all the way at the end of the cable, right next to where it plugs into the wall, so, you might as well just pull the plug when you get to the switch. I really don't understand why he didn't put a power switch on the actual device.
Hey, yes I agree the bolts that protrude are not great. Mine get caught on things as well, and two off them seem to come lose a lot (I need to put some loc-tite on them). Cable - YES! that is a massive pet peeve of mine (I talk about it in my review - ua-cam.com/video/3PamzmX8c74/v-deo.html ) It's a simple oversight, hopefully they fix it for the next version (though it doesn't help us!)
Looking closely at this product & adding a couple of new features to make it a multi use item. As a competitive athlete I sincerely appreciate the time and engineering he has done & getting it to the point and getting the therapy done. Thank You for the work that has been done!
Ive been wanting the iron forge even though I have panels and masks and Kineon Pro+. I see a lot of uses. I just ordered but wont be available until Aug.
I think this is an unfair comment. I welcome any feedback on the topic though? And am always keen to jump on a call to learn more about PBM and how everyday people can benefit from it.
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense. Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in. Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense. Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in. Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense. Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in. Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/
First, all of the products I mention in my Michael Chapiro, founder of Chroma interview:
✅ Get a Chroma Ironforge here: aferg.co/chroma-ironforge
✅ Get a Chroma D-Light for vitamin D creation here: aferg.co/chroma-vitamin-d
✅ Get a Chroma Sky Portal for daytime wakefulness and mood-boosting effects here: aferg.co/chroma-sky-portal
Next up, all the resources I mention in my Michael Chapiro interview:
✅ My epic Facebook group on red light therapy and more: aferg.co/fb-group
✅ The Chroma blog and newsletter of Michael Chapiro: www.getchroma.co/
✅ Full playlist of my 2022 body panel red light therapy comparison series with all episodes: aferg.co/RLT-2021-playlist - if you're short on time then check out the summary episode towards the end of the playlist
✅ My excel sheet for comparing different panels to their competition: aferg.co/rlt-data
✅ For my red light therapy buyer's guide blog, follow this link: aferg.co/RLTguide
✅ My red light testing methodology for reviews video: aferg.co/rlt-testing-method
✅ My red light therapy blog with many deep dive articles: aferg.co/redlightblog
No coupon code available for your viewers??? Great interview!
can you comment on vital red light? have you heard of this brand?
Not yet. I'll ask Michael to see if I can get you one.
No I haven't, but I'll look into them :)
When I went to checkout i did get 10% off of price, even though link doesn’t specify any discount.
As an iron forge and D-light owner I can attest they are f**king powerful. Great interview.
Thanks, mine just arrived. Can't wait to play with it :)
What’s your opinion on benefits? And do you have a panel as well or do you spot with this? Thanks 😊
i have spoken to mike and matt a few times and their products are excellent. Defiantely feel benefits right away and they definately make your skin stronger in the sun. purchased a full panel just waiting to finish my new place so i can set it all up
Glad you like their products. Good luck with your new place and your new full panel.
Very tempted to buy the ironforge now 😊
Likewise!!!
a deep surfing talk... after some time I hopefully integrate it !!!!!!!!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Alex, I have a question. I have heard many people talk about RLT in connection with sunlight and the circadian rythm, but I don't understand why no one ever mentions campfires? We as humans have spent nights around campfires for hundreds of thousands of years, and it's one of the most relaxing, mesmerizing and soothing things there are, whether looking into the flames or a glowing bed of embers. Yet nobody seems to ask the question of how campfires affect melanin or mitochondria and all the known effects of RLT. Wouldn't it be interesting to see if the LED wavelengths that are used for RLT are present in open flames and glowing ember?
Hey, yes good points. You may want to check out Sauna Space - aferg.co/1Uc5Bfu - I was speaking to the founder at the recent Health Optimisation Summit (recorded interview will be out soon!) and he referred to this exact phenomena - and the benefits associated with it. So you may want to keep an eye out for that video.
His products are also designed to mimic the effects of a fire - with the heat and the light benefits.
Not sure I learned his general recommendation of time and distance for therapeutic effect on a typical panel such as the Biomax 900 for example
I'll see if I can get Michael to clarify this.
After watching this interview, I’d love to see you, Alex, do a full review of this IronForge soon. Looks very promising for someone like me with limited time & space, that’s already sold on Red Light Therapy! I’m hoping you can “get your hands on one of these,” lol, with a discount code as well! Win/Win/Win
Hey, yes working on this :) Be sure to sub and stay tuned :D
Chroma is the best on the market hands down
Hey, thanks for your comment. Why do you say that? What do you like about the company?
@axis-II: And... you know this h o w .....? Seriously... do share how you are so sure of this.. Thanks.
Fucking great Michael Chapiro!!!
Some of the studies used 633 red and 850 infared and a few other specific wavelengths. That's why it started there. But the studies have said the specific wavelength may be key
Yes and 660 and 850nm are two of the cheapest/easily accessible LEDs to source as well.
Will you be reviewing this as well? :)
Yes I will :) Stay tuned
Great interview I used ALEX
Thanks and thank you!
A dermatologist video said heat producing can cause malasma
Yeah I have seen that video. How much heat is needed I'm not sure?
I plan to buy the chroma device
They pack a punch!
I have two criticisms of the Chroma. First, the industrial design includes bolts that stick out of the front, and snag in your hair as you move it around your body. Second and most annoying, there is a really long cable, which is good, but he put the switch all the way at the end of the cable, right next to where it plugs into the wall, so, you might as well just pull the plug when you get to the switch. I really don't understand why he didn't put a power switch on the actual device.
Hey, yes I agree the bolts that protrude are not great. Mine get caught on things as well, and two off them seem to come lose a lot (I need to put some loc-tite on them).
Cable - YES! that is a massive pet peeve of mine (I talk about it in my review - ua-cam.com/video/3PamzmX8c74/v-deo.html )
It's a simple oversight, hopefully they fix it for the next version (though it doesn't help us!)
Looking closely at this product & adding a couple of new features to make it a multi use item. As a competitive athlete I sincerely appreciate the time and engineering he has done & getting it to the point and getting the therapy done. Thank You for the work that has been done!
Ive been wanting the iron forge even though I have panels and masks and Kineon Pro+. I see a lot of uses. I just ordered but wont be available until Aug.
Yeah it's a great unit to have on hand!
Hi Alex! Any thoughts on EMR-Tek’s products? Specifically the inferno.
I still need to test this!
Hi Alex, you touched on using it for cognitive purposes. How does ironforge power output and penetration compare to Vielight?
Hey, good question. I'm yet to test the vielight power output, but my guess is that the Ironforge is going to be a lot more powerful.
For Algor!!
Engineer meets biology. No clue about dose or frequency of application.
I think this is an unfair comment. I welcome any feedback on the topic though? And am always keen to jump on a call to learn more about PBM and how everyday people can benefit from it.
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense.
Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in.
Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense.
Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in.
Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/
Precisely. When you consider that sunlight is about 100 mW/cm^2 and that the therapeutic wavelength range of 600 nm - 900nm is only about 35-40 mW/cm^2 , then none of these excessively high non-contact devices makes any sense.
Exposing the skin to that much energy is unnatural and unsafe. Also, exposure time is considered a part of the ‘dose’, so simply increasing the intensity in order to lower the exposure time has been proven to be non-beneficial. There is a concept of ‘dose rate’ that must be factored in.
Some individuals may experience some initial short term benefits using these devices, but I haven’t seen any scientific evidence that suggests that this is sustainable as a long term health routine.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34698043/