Plant Based or Carnivore Diet? If I HAD To Choose. | Educational Video | Biolayne
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- I get this question all the time in my Q&As. "If I had to pick plant based or carnivore which diet would I choose and why?" The answer might surprise you.
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I would love to see biolayne do a colab with plant chompers... both highly scientific and respectful, but with differences of opinions.
That would be amazing! Great suggestion.
Plant chompers is amazing.
Wow that is such a great idea. How to make Layne or plantchompere see this comment?
I’d like to hear the arguments on the need for protein intake. As far as I can tell, Layne advocates for extremely high protein diets, and Plant Chompers is more on the Dr. Greger camp (I.e., reduce protein intake to the dietary recommendation of 0.8 per kg)… I’m thoroughly confused
@@scratchfg212 its bodybuilder high protein vs longevity athlete low protein debate. would be very interesting to see
This video reminded me I needed to subscribe. Among the clearest most even handed nutrition info on UA-cam
Thank you for this!!!! This is a great video!!!!
I'm starting this new diet where I only eat foods that start with the letter "s." Spinach, Sour Patch Kids, sweet potatoes, Swiss cheese...
Its gonna give me great results, I'm sure
Xd
You have to try the new All Chips Diet. Have to be careful of entering Cheetoh-acidosis though, it's Dangerously Cheesy
😂😂😂
Have you guys been ‘associating’ with Matt Stone of ‘180 degree health’ fame. Sounds like you picked up his humour 😂
brb just loading up on samosas and sopapillas
a very good video and a good reason to subscribe to the channel. Love the content
Having followed your content for years, this doesn’t surprise me at all! 👍
I love my omnivorous, well-balanced, mostly whole foods diet, that does include some more processed food products, and the occasional highly-processed, hyper-palatable food products; therefore, as long as the normies and carnivores and vegans all allow for the food market to carry my diet staples, then I'm good.
See food diet I see
I switched to almost exclusively eating easy to digest white flour baked goods with margarine and a soy protein isolate shakes with high fructose corn syrup and I literally never felt better.
@@HauptmannGallenstein sounds yummy to my tummy
Some people like to unnecessarily complicate things.
Balanced = lots of trash as well
Layne, your videos have helped me understand nutrition immensely. The pure science, no-bullshit way of information communication is so refreshing to see today. Thank you so much for all your videos!
I'd use the word "science" loosely here
Like when he promoted BCAAs..oh wait
take a look at bart kay. hes an actual scientist and has made a response video to this.
He sells supplements 😂
Brilliant - Exactly why I love Layne's videos.So much knowledge imparted in an easy way to digest (!)
"...to digest" 🤣🤣
Great video. It's exactly what I would have also chosen and for all the reasons you mentioned. But like you said, we don't have to choose, we can have the best of both worlds.
appreciated your vid...smashed like. I like the logic and reason.
Just subscribed, because you asked so nicely.
It is definitely not just the fiber but also the plants and their valuable ingredients as such, which all contain fiber.
You didn't say eating meat is the holy grail of life. Carnivores everywhere are now very upset.
Blackballed by the carnivore cult
not really. opinions are like.....well...ya know.....
I will say it for him meet is the holy grail of life. eagle Bunch of bull just to make a video to make money. He also has a video I see right on side of me. I was wrong about artificial sweeteners. well that isn't the only thing he's wrong about but then again, I haven't really watched his videos Because two minutes is all it takes to turn it off eagle again
Sorry about the voice typing that's meat, not meet. Eagle
Why?
Very good video!
Great job
Where are these studies that he claims? Why wouldn't a "scientist" take the time to attach the links to research where he's opinionating on? I mean he took the time to attach his link to his supplements... #redflag
It's almost like we're designed to be omnivores and eat a wide range of foods
LMFAO LOOK AT PEOPLE AROUND YOU AND THINK THAT IS WORKING FOR ANYONE
@@RoadkillxDemon IT ABSOLUTELY HAS CHANGED. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE JAW BONES AND TEETH OF HUMANS AND ALSO DECREASE IN HEIGHT
@@RoadkillxDemon LMFAO BLESS YOUR HEART ❤️ IN THE MOST SOUTHERN WAY
Shhh! The zealots will hear you!
@@paulhailey2537lol... Someone watches Joe Rogan
Thank you sir!
Thank you for this video. Your point about a 10% reduction in all cause mortality for every 10 g of fiber added is amazing. Sufficient protein and fiber are probably the two most important components of any diet we choose. Thanks again.
Well fuck if we add infinity fiber then we get infinity all cause mortality reduction. We get to live forever. VAMPIRES BABY!
Hi Layne! What about all of te gmos and pesticides in plants?
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And oxalates.
I'd like see a conversation between you and Dr. shawn Baker!
Totally agree if forced to choose I go for plant-based luckily I don't have to 😀 its Friday so can't wait for next what the fitness video
Been pescatarian for many years and I feel great;
I tried pescatarianism a few years ago, but I'm mildly alergic to fish. I've been lacto for 5 years and lost a lot of weight (108kg to 68)
I know what I'd choose.
What is it :0
Great video
Very interesting about the fibre.
Can you please link the meta analysis you mentioned that concludes fiber lowers all cause mortality. Thanks
Another random useless epidemiology study twisted by healthy user bias. Nothing to see here...
@@swisscarnivore yeah just like that questionnaire the carnivores were going around touting from Harvard claiming it proves the carnivore diet is good, it's funny epidemiology is okay like the Epic Oxford study that said vegans were at a higher risk for fractures hip fractures and other types of fractures this is a study carnivores were using
I don't know if it is a good or bad thing but I just went off of carnivore after following this diet for 8 months after watching some of your video's. So yesterday I ate junk... sugar, carbs...etc... and woke up this morning and pooped easy for the first time in 8 months! Feel like I have more mental clarity as well today. Not that eating the crap food was good for me but think my body definitely needed the carbs and fiber no matter how my body got it at this point! I am very thankful for the carnivore diet as I did get my blood sugars down to normal on it and am no longer pre diabetic. also lost 60 pounds on it. But I think that you are absolutely right that it should be used as an elimination diet and that is all. I'm happy I realized that this was something that I probably should not do for the rest of my life. So today will be meat, maybe eggs, some veg and fruit and will see how I do with that. Thanks Layne:)
What about heme iron, IGF growth hormone as well as casein linked to cancer?
Topic request... how to restore healthy weight with an emphasis on increasing muscle without increasing cellular aging through excessive mToR and suppressed autphaphy.
Also connected to this, meal timing - how to still reap the benefits of I.F. and protein requirement e.g. should it be 1.5g protein per kg of current weight or goal weight? I presume plant protein would be a higher recommendation
I consume a well balanced diet made up mainly of cereal and coffee.
Well balance!? 😂
Layne, a few things I would like to see you talk about: 1-Mercury content in fish. 2-Pork consumption, is it safe? Is it related to multiple sclerosis? 3-Omega 3s/Omega 6s, does it matter? 4-Organic meat sources vs conventional meat sources, does it matter? Thx.
No MS is genetic, now flare ups may be controlled better with organic food but it doesnt cause MS
Pork, I'm also curious about scientific pros and cons of consuming!
Good suggestions.
Supposedly grass fed beef has the proper, or better omega balance, than grain fed beef, but is it all that much better, to justify the cost compared to salmon?
Hi. I am a biochemist. I can touch on this, but I am not an expert. Take what I say with a grain of salt. I am a stranger:)
1. Mercury - hard one to answer. It depends on where you live, do you mean canned fish or fresh, what type of fish etc etc. Lots of variables. I can say it would take ALOT of high-level mercury fish to get mercury poisoning. Certainly possible, if you like eat 3 cans of tuna a day or something. But fish as a regular part of the diet, in moderation. Not a concern.
2. I actually have MS, so I have looked into this. It is basically false. There are certain papers or articles from far in the past that haunt science, and this is one. The pork/MS theory comes from a paper from 1986. It doesn't hold up as more data became available. Canada has the highest rate of MS per capita in the world but it isn't even in the top 15 when it comes to pork consumption per capita.
3. MASSIVE difference between Omega 6 and 3. A typical western diet has far too much Omega 6 and that isn't good. It also has far too little Omega 3. Omega 3 and 6 are used by the body for different things. The naming is confusing and make them seem very similar.
@@CryptoKeeper36 Nice. Thanks for the info :)
What fibre amount would you say not to exceed please ? Also what ratio of soluble and insoluble
Have you ever read Eat to Live? If so, I think it could be interesting to hear your thoughts on why your opinion on overall health varies some from that book. One of the main points made in the book is in regards to meat and dairy consumption. The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily with some of the diseases you mention in this video (namely cardiovascular health). The book recommends a maximum of 1 or 2 servings per week of meat and/or dairy.
Just throwing it out there, I've been following the advice of that book and my body is transforming just as the book said it would. I went from being on the cusp of diabetic to having within range of normal blood results in just 2 months. I was also able to pick up physical exercise beyond my imagination from just a month ago (capable of running 10kms and such in under a month of running training).
I do enjoy your videos and your thought process and presentation, which is why I bring this topic up. I would value your opinion, as I am sure others would too, in comparison to a health strategy that I know to be working (at least it is working for me *shrug*).
I read that book yrs ago, and I think there's some valuable info in it.
"The book claims that meat and dairy consumption correlate heavily..." Those claims are based on very poor evidence, questionnaire based correlation studies. There are NO causation studies to back up that claim. That's the problem with the plant versus meat argument, there are overwhelming studies to back up plants, but they're all correlation studies, or study meat eaters who also eat plenty of carbs. In other words, the studies are next to useless because there are no studies just looking at meat eaters, not omnivores. Humans have eaten mainly fatty meat for 100,000s of years. To believe that meat is suddenly bad for us is laughable.
Check out, "How not to diet" by Dr Micheal McGregor. You'd enjoy it.
I have been eating less (meat/veg/fruits/junk) and sleeping more, I was able to pick up my physical exercise beyond imagination. Gym/run on a daily basis. It's probably because you are eating less.
I did keto for years ! Years ago! I have clogged arteries now.! I switched over to eating plant based! Plus I bought organic plant protein powder with my fruit smoothie! I’ve never looked or felt so good since I’ve been doing plant based
Really appreciate this, Layne. Gotta get that fiber in. :)
Not for me! Fiber seriously hurts my gut and my butt (yes literally). To each their own, but I won't poop for a week if I eat a lot of fiber 😫
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@priscillamichelle1889 maybe look into the possibility of SIBO?
Agreed. Beans according to the world health organization is the single most effective food item at reducing death.
@@priscillamichelle1889 Doesn't sound like fiber is the problem in your case. You should be able to handle fiber. Also what type of fiber cannot you not handle? Got to be specific. People claim carbs are bad, which is a massive generalization. Is all protein bad?
I just don't do extremes unless you have a health reason. I like verity and fiber, so I could never just eat meat. Just upping my fats and meats took some time for my body to adjust and had to uptake my (already high?) fiber. I feel bloated with not enough fiber.
What say you regarding Dr Ken Berry?
Hey, Do you take video requests?.. This video had me thinking ... if you could make a video where u discussed the differences between dairy protein ( whey /casein) vs plant protein vs egg white protein vs animal protein. The pros and cons of them..
I did STRICT 18 month long plant ONLY based diet; Low protein, high carb, low fat. My cardio workouts were very good, but I looked horrible and everyone told me so. I lost a lot of fat and a lot of muscle. My hair started to really shed...and I was becoming depressed and experienced a lot of mind fog, along with heart PVC's, which I no longer experience now that I'm off the Plant based diet.. I learned a LOT from the Plant based diet. I've learned to incorporate MORE plants and good vegetables in my diet now...but, a little meat or whey protein now and again is a good idea.
Meat all the time and less veggies
I eat some meat and a lot of beans and lentils. I drink about 2 cups of milk a day and have a few eggs every week. I'm with you on the hair loss issue. If I start seeing hair in the bathroom sink, I know I need to increase my protein.
Low protein is always terrible idea. Don’t let the longevity/mtor boogieman scare you, either
@@SLude480 so you think 250 grams of protein is just fine and dandy? You’re out of it man
@@hata6290 mtor is more stimulated by exercise than protein. So exercise is bad?
Man, I'm really impressed with Layne. For some reason i thought he was historically a bit dogmatic on the pro meat and low carb side, but now on multiple topics I've recently seen him really focus on evidence, we love to see it.
He sells supplements 😂
Yep, and he sells suppis. To counteract all the broccoli and spinach he munches on
@@mas-udal-hassan9277 Who doesn't? Every influencer with a few letters after his name sells supplements. Why? The margins are good, and no one really produces supplements, all they do is label them.
I am less than impressed but maybe I missed something.
What kind of evidence are you talking about?
Anecdotes and opinions are weak evidence.
Cherry picking studies is also a poor method of research.
Its because he has muscle and talks with authority right? 😭
I posted this a while back as a poll on my ig. Couldn’t believe it was 50/50 for me.
How can you acquire protein powders like
potato protein isolate
Corn protein isolate
Shopping online. Just send me your credit card info and I’ll buy it for you :)
Can you please do a full video on fiber??
2nd that! Curious to know how much fiber a day he recommends.
@@jeandenishaas yes! I think eating too much fiber can cause intestinal obstruction?
@@SirAlexanderdeLarge it does plumbing obstruction from personal experience 😄
@@SirAlexanderdeLarge increase your fibre slowly slowly and your body will get used to it. You will poop more often but you will poop much easier too.
Helpful as always. Thanks.
Just out of curiosity, are there any studies on bioavailability of plant protein after it's cooked?
Eat everything raw like Liver King🥴
Hello, I am a pharmacy student. I think this is a great question.
If I'm not mistaken (and if I am please feel free to correct me), heating proteins will "denature" them; heat will change the shape of a protein. It will not remove the amino acid "building blocks" that make up said protein.
In the acidic environment of your stomach though, pepsin will break apart the peptide bonds (the connections that hold amino acids together to form a protein), but the amino acids are still there. Amino acids then get absorbed in your small intestine.
Essentially, bioavailability of amino-acids should be equal whether you are heating proteins or not. Heating proteins should not influence the bioavailability of the amino acids you want to absorb from them.
For anyone looking at this answer, if I am wrong feel free to correct me (ideally with sources). Hope this helps.
-Thank you.
P.S. I think there's actually an argument to be made that cooking meat decreases the energy required to digest it. I'm not too sure about this, but if this is the case then heating the proteins in meat could lower the energy required to absorb amino-acids. I don't think this counts as INCREASING bioavailability though. I'm not too sure about this last statement though, so take it with a grain of salt.
There is this idea that the studies around this concept only tested uncooked plant protein. That isn't true, both cooked and raw were checked in most, if not all, of the studies. From my understanding, the bioavailability was pretty much the same in both groups.
@@onemanswrld405 I think that guy is a nut, but I don't think he eats things raw. If you look at his videos and whatnot, he is essentially shit tons of cooked foods. Burger patties and giant trays of french fries, things like that.
@@manuelmontouliu830 You are, respectfully, incorrect. But only because your knowledge seems incomplete. So, you can't just consume amino acids and your body uses them. The protein for your bodies use actually has to have it's proper shape (protein folding) in order for it to be utilized by the human body. Like, if you buy a big sack leucine, you can't supplement your leucine needs with this, your body actually functionally breaks down different complete proteins and takes what it needs. So, whey protein isn't just a bunch of amino acids from whey, it's actually formed proteins from whey. When you look at the amino acid breakdown, that is what your body can take and use from a protein source.
If you have ever baked chicken you have seen that gross white stuff that comes out of it (spume). That is denatured protein. If you were to eat that (which you can) your body cannot actually utilize any of those amino acids. When something in denatured, as the name implies, it loses it's "nature", that is the function of what it does. When you denature a protein, you are breaking it's bonds and turning into simple amino acids, which cannot be utilized by a human body because it's not made to process protein as simple amino acids.
Think about it this way: You eat protein to get protein. Imagine you have a machine that is designed to only take ping pong balls that are connected by little sticks. So you get these little things and you throw them in and out the other side you get two separated ping pong balls. For reasons of this demonstration, someone is at the end and this is the only way to get them their desired product, and the process is time consuming, it takes a minute for each little connected pair. You say to yourself, "it would be much faster if just pull them apart myself and throw them into the machine". But when you do this, they don't come out the other side because the machine isn't designed to pass individual ping pong balls, only paired ones. The human body is much like this. It's designed to breakdown proteins and extract the amino acids it needs. There have been studies demonstrating that bioavailability of amino acids (vs proteins), is non-existent.
Just about to watch but wanted to go out on a limb and predict your answer is plant based. That would be mine if I had to but both are great 👍 let’s see
To me, they aren't comparable enough for this question. It's an extreme elimination diet compared to a moderate one. The moderate one will come out on top no matter what just because of micronutrients.
I’ve actually watched you enough to actually know you’d pick plant based diet lol interesting to hear the reasons again nonetheless
I'm sure you can do well on both, but I read a few studies where it is protein consumption (not necessarily calorie consumption) is associated with increased mortality. The more animal protein you eat the shorter your life span. This isn't to say animal protein is bad. I eat a lot of meat. But the studies said lysine and methionine and some other amino acids that I forgot that were most closely associated with higher risk or mortality. I think it's similar to a lithium battery...if you use the battery more and more with a lot of discharge and recharge cycles it shortens the battery life. I think that is probably similar to how our body works.
Yes, animal protein is less healthy than plant protein :(
@@hata6290 I don't think it's less healthy per se...it does help the most when you eat a low protein diet. But the study I read did mention methionine, which animal protein is the highest source of, increased mortality risk if consumed in high amounts. It's probably why so many body builders die of heart attacks.
@@hata6290 how?
@@tonywong8134 the reason bodybuilders die of heart attacks is due to excessive PED use
@@tonywong8134 association can not establish causation.
Thanks
Are there any brands that have a good plant-based protein blend that has the proper balance of amino acids? If not, maybe something to add to the Outwork line?
have you tried solent? the drink
@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannelbro are you kidding 😂 look up seed oils
But Layne, the WHO claims meat is a carcinogen and therefore unhealthy. What do you have to say in response to that? I would like to hear your opinion on that
Actually, the WHO claims red meat is a 'probable' carcinogen. And that 'probable' link is statistically insignificant and based on very poor epidemiological questionnaire based studies. When you realise that the study classified a meat pizza as red meat, and asked participants to remember how many meat pizzas they ate over the last 10 years, the data is worthless. Same for burgers, hot dogs etc as we know that processed carbs (ie the base/bun and sauces) are the problem, yet the meat gets blamed.
Hey layne, do you have a link for the studies broken down in this video?
Did layne do a video on Harvard carnivore study? i cant find it anywhere?
I started introducing carbs and yho I am feeling great I am more firmer now and hey I am starting to see six packs so grateful. My shape has drastically improved
The coolest thing I learned from this video is that for every 10 gram increase in my fiber intake, I decrease my risk of mortality by 10%. So I just need to eat 100 grams of fiber per day to become immortal. I’ll spend the rest of my life on the toilet, but I’ll live forever! 🤪
Yeah I don’t like how he criticizes other claims that are only shown in one study, then cites a study that hasn’t been replicated. 😂
@@Wanker527 he does that all the time... Why hasn he said anything about harvard carnivore diet?
@@Wanker527 This particular effect might not have been, but most of the benefits of fibre are well established with plenty of evidence behind them. Including, crucially, a reduction of all cause mortality risk (albeit not necessarily to this extent). And then there's the wealth of general research regarding consumption of fruits and vegetables. Eat your greens, kids.
@@brainlessoaf Further adjustment for lifestyle characteristics and dietary factors attenuated these associations, but the pooled hazard ratio remained significantly invers
@@TheBwithers Yep, 'attenuated' being the key word there. Healthy user bias is definitely a thing, but this has been considered many times before and the effect remains. I assume that's what you meant by "inverse" hazard ratio (less than 1 presumably), just clarifying that a little.
Associational studies? Seriously?
Perfect linearity is still an interesting signal
One of your best videos imo!
So glad I saw this one. Has put my mind at rest once and for all..
Layne does not have a clue! Dunning-Kruger much!!!
Ah the confidence with which you say that😅
That fiber point is because you're eating less processed foods and overall fewer calories. It's not the fiber itself.
Citation needed
And
@@philip9650 yes, we need a citation that can establish a cause and effect relationship between fibre and better health outcomes
@@philip9650 bart kay made a response video to this. he talked about the fibre issue.
hes an actual scientist btw.
@@scamdem1c He is a clown and his views are not in a line with nearly all scenctists. To be honest i never heard anyone before claiming so much nonsens
Would be super interesting to see a study with a bunch of carnivore and plants only folks in terms of gut, microbiome and other health parameters.
Love that you point out individual stuff compared to recommendations/study findings on a population level or on average. I think that's important.
Love and strength,
Thomas
With all you say about how we're in a fiber crisis, I was not surprised to hear your answer.
I like being an omnivore
I love food regardless
Are you sure that the Fiber studies are showing causation and not correlation? People eating higher fiber are probably eating less processed foods, so it might not be the fiber that’s making the difference.
Eh, no one likes to bring up the healthy user bias. Honestly, all cause mortality studies aren't that great, or I'm too dumb to understand why they are. They are "all cause mortality", which as far as I am aware is your heart disease and strokes, your diabetes... but also your car accidents, murders, people who die from falling from a mountain, etc... I'm unclear on how you can glean anything but the slightest correlation from this type of information. I think most studies show that when you remove the processed crap with any diet, you get way better health outcomes, and that would include an all meat diet as well.
@@BaresarkSlayne Good points.
And? Who cares? Fiber is still really good for you so what’s your point? Fiber isn’t useless much less harmful, so eat your vegetables
@@hata6290 Any evidence for that statement?
@@hata6290 why is fibre good for you?
Fiber is not important Lane... at all, but I digress
It is important Gabe… but I guess you’ve been in the carnivore echo chamber for too long
@@hata6290 neither, I do eat vegetables but not because of fiber. Fiber is not even digestible, so it does NOT matter at all. Period, end of argument!!!
@@hata6290 fibre is so important you flush 99% of it down the toilet
@@ssj_gabe there are people everywhere who will disagree with you and literally laugh at you for saying that on pretty much any platform. It is believed everywhere that fiber has been proven, to be beneficial in so many ways. Of all the ridiculous things to believe the idea that it helps with constipation is the most amusing. When it actually does the exact opposite. The only studies ever show any benefits to fiber were when it’s added to a standard American trash diet. Eat a diet that puts your blood sugar to the moon and fiber will blunt the effect. Make it not quite as bad. That’s about it. If fiber helps you your diet sucks.
@@ssj_gabe vegetables have fiber so there for you are eating fiber even if your intentions are for the nutrients instead
I had no doubt which you would pick
Omnivore all the way. If I had to choose though, I'd go plant based. But choosing either seems dumb when can just have the best of both...
But suffering tho
Dear Dr Norton,
Can you please talk about the benefits of eating organ meat? Would it be sufficient to get fibre from fruits/oats?
I really don't like green vegetables and I believe organ meats offer loads of nutrition that greens can't and at a higher bio-availability. Your thoughts please
people r so stupid.. Why make things more complicated.. Just google the nutrition facts of any animal food sources and compare to veggies..
this is just ridiculous, most plants are toxic, bioavailability of nutrients is phucking poor!
And all dat plant "milk" stuff enriched with toxic seed oils..(sighs) it can't be as nutrient dense as raw dairy...
@@lillol9279 You need to calm down and stop hurling insults. If nutrition science is as easy as google search, there will be no need for scientists and research. It is more complicated than just simply reading nutrition facts. Fibre is very important for the function of guts, and it only can come from plants.
@@samalamad774 ok, but why so much people feel way better without fiber? me included (no constipation when I cut all fiber)
even after eating 2pounds of meat my stomach is flat, but if I add plants to my diet I look like a balloon and feel tired... I don't want to supplement with tons of pills to help me digest food lol
so I think everyone should listen to their body, and if they feel like shit..that means they should change something
@@lillol9279 "Feel better" and anecdotal evidence doesn't fare well in the science. Sure if someone can't digest fibre, they will feel better without it. This doesn't mean that their problem is solved and their bodies are better without it. The root cause of the problem need to be addressed.
A lot of people feel great after eating chocolate and junk food. It doesn't mean it is good for them.
Dr. Layne here stressed on the importance of fibre siting studies and meta analysis. I'm convinced of its importance, but would it be okay to use fibre from fruits and oats instead of veggies. That was my question to someone who is much more knowledgeable on the topic than me.
I'm an omnivore who eats all kinds of fruit, vegetables, whole grains and mostly fish and whey for protein, after each meal I have a fiber chaser, a Shaker with water, wheat bran, oat bran and sugar free psyllium powder.
Carful though, introducing fiber into the diet must be gradual at first.
Intresting
Awesome video! Did they control for weight and calorie intake when studying the health effects of fiber. Thank you!
No, they were free living subjects.
They have no clue of calorie in take over multiple years
bart kay made a response video to this. look it up. hes an actual scientist and commented on the fibre stuff lame norton was talking about.
The insert on the importance of fiber was well said sir. When people eat fiber they don't understand that it is best to consume their vegetables blended. It prevents the bloating and an uncomfortable feeling. I would enjoy hearing you touch on the importance of the plant diet at the gut microbiome. Especially, with current research reflecting their symbiotic relationship.
Hm, bloating happens also if you go from low fiber to high fiber. So it is also worth a try to do it gradually, so the microbiome can adapt to the new diet.
Yeah like we've been doing for thousands of years
We’ll I did keto for years. Years ago! It had me afraid of carbs! I eat eggs everyday for years! Pizza! I have clogged arteries! Had 2 A/fib! I switched over to plant based! So much healthier then any! Specifically keto! I did buy organic plant based protein powder! I’m enjoying oatmeal again! Great topic! I’m still at with my journey on plant based! Besides salad
Oatmeal is the fucking best thing in the world!!!!
Keto gave me constipation! Fiber is super important!
I would need to see the meta analysis.
Which one is better for surviving a severe COVID attack and cytokine storm?
Can confirm, was able to progressive overload at about the same rate on a plant based diet but on carnivore a few years back could hardly get through a workout. And feel loads better plant based vs carnivore.
Were you tracking your calories and macros? And how long were you on carnivore? If you weren’t eating enough fat or calories, or didn’t get fat adapted, that would explain it.
@@cringeproof100
On plant based roughly tracked calories to 3-4000, lots of good carbs from whole foods like fruit, quinoa, chick peas, lentils. Protein 125-175. Fats at around 50-70 but whole foods like activated nuts seeds and avocado.
Was On carnivore only a week but fat adapted was not the issue. Have done 40-50 day water fast and lots of smaller ones and got “fat adapted” the issue was that after eating fatty meat or lots of fat in general I feel terrible and lose energy. I feel better fasting and working out rather than eating carnivore style meals so it’s not carb withdrawal. Saturated fat also flares up a lot of inflammation in my body and jacks up my ldl which is definitely an issue despite these nonsense claims that only small ldl blocks arteries, that’s been proven wrong.
All that info on fiber and mortality BLEW MY MIND. That is HUGE news for me and great to know overall. I’m definitely gonna keep that in mind forever! (Nevermind)
Look at the linear dose response curve for whole grains too. It’s insane. And yet all we are told is that starches are bad when in fact while grains and legumes have the highest health associated benefits and risk reduction form all cause mortality than any other food group. Makes me enjoy my oatmeal and lentil curry that much more. And they’re so satiating when you’re cutting calories compared to other foods. Best of both worlds.
a 10% relative increase in incidence of death when the baseline is 8 per 10,000 blows your mind? and that's based on survey respondent data, aka a fart in the wind.
Healthy user bias.
The people eating the most fibre are the ones going on morning runs 🏃♂️.
Besides that, the absolute 'risk' difference is as good as zero, unfortunately Layne Norton is reporting the relative risk.
take a look at bart kays response video. bart is an actual scientist and has commented on the fibre studies mentioned on this video.
@@scamdem1c Just finished the entire 53 minute video. I must say, he completely shut down the fiber claim made, but good god if he isn’t the most annoying person I’ve ever heard in my life I don’t know who is. I would rather stay ignorant and die early than watch and listen to him just insult after insult. He said a bunch of “this is wrong this is wrong” without giving reasoning, but got upset when layne did the same. Regardless, I’m gonna watch a few videos to see if I can find the answers to the “this is wrong” claims he consistently made. Watching his videos is a moment where “ignorance is bliss” really sounds appealing.
I think it depends on personal experience they both can be beneficial
Can you do a review on the lumen!
He did. In 2020. When in doubt Google “biolayne xxxxx subject”
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Thanks for the video. I have been trying so hard to convince friends and family about the importance of fibre (I read "Fibre Fueled" by Will Bulsiewicz M.D. but I am of Greek heritage and always ate a Mediterranean plant-based diet.) I have also attempted to dissuade everybody from fearing soy. Everybody thinks that it either gives you breast cancer (women) or pours estrogen into your male plumbing. That said, I a, not sure what you mean here by "carnivore die." At one point you say "only meat." Is that how you define it? Is that the comparison? Because who does only meat? My keto-Atkins-caveman dieting friends eat nuts and lettuce and drink vodka. So it's kind of a false dichotomy to compare apples'n'oranges with beed'n'pork, no?
Apparently there are people who literally only eat beef, liver, eggs, chicken and etc. No veggies, fruits or nuts. Some even go as far to say that some plant foods are poisonous to us.
a carnivore diet is literally only animal products, and for some only meat itself. Shawn baker is a popular carnivore diet advocate and he only eats beef ans eggs.
Atkins died of heart disease or a stroke In his 60s. He also died penniless sueing people who challenged his ideas. Plant chompers did a great video looking at the most influential nutritionists and who lived the longest.
@@vashlash6870 Do you mean he cherry picked a few long lived nutritionists? And Dr Atkins actually died of a traumatic brain injury after slipping on ice.
@@vashlash6870 Atkins died from a blood clot in his brain that he sustained when he fell on ice.
I get 70-100gr of fibre most days. Am I immortal?
Holy fuck that’s awesome
That's amazing. I get about 45g of fibre daily on 3k calories. You must be eating a lot
@@joejoe850 not really just whole foods. Broccoli. Beans. Loads berries. Etc.
must be a regular mucus-dripping, fart factory.
Not immortal, you'd win any farting contest though
One question that comes up based on the Dr. Greger videos, are aminos like methionine actually harmful? Are BCAAs harmful in terms of insulin resistance, cancer or other diseases?
What are your thoughts on the ethics or lack of it when it comes to use of animals for food, fashion and entertainment?
There are two possibilities. Option A: There is no consiousness, only a mechanical world. Therefore killing animals is ethical no problem (because they are only machines). Option B: The fundamental basis of everything is consiousness. Therefore killing animals is ethical a problem (because they are consiousness sentient beings). But: in this case, also plants have consiousness. How can you know that they feel less than animals? Just because animals are more similar to us than plants would be a very bad argument. And therefore you are not allowed to kill them either. This would mean that you have to starve an die (or maybe just eat fruits that have fallen down from a tree - but also they could still have counsiousness and feelings.) If you think on all this from a ethical perspective, there is only one conclusion: If you want to survive you have to hurt living beeings. Life is hurting others. This does probably not fit at all in the wonderful worldview of many vegans, but it is the sad philosophical truth. To live you have to hurt other beeings...
Plant based foods are no less harmful to animals and may actually cause more harm. Millions of insects, birds and rodents are deliberately poisoned to protect plant crops for human consumption. Using pesticides and herbicides are killing ecosystems because it's killing off the foods that animals eat. In England bird populations in rural areas have halved in contrast to a 17% reduction in urban areas. Petroleum based fertilisers cause pollution in waterways from run-off, killing ecosystems in lakes, rivers and oceans. Sediment run-off is also a big problem, contributing to the deaths of underwater ecosystems. The way we cultivate food is not good for the environment.
Hmmm 🤔 so you would recommend a plant based diet on a population level but must include supplements X & Y to get your complete proteins?
What about people that just eat vegetables and people that only eat meat and don’t consume supplements?
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I think the idea is that a plant based diet has significantly less nutrient deficiencies (aka less supplementation) than a carnivore diet. He said in the beginning that he wouldn't choose either.
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@@colefiegel5847 what essential nutrients are missing from the carnivore diet?
@@colefiegel5847 nonsense. there are more nutrient deficiencies in a plant based diet. prove me wrong you liar.
I am a 135lbs vegetarian and I find it honestly VERY EASY to eat enough proteins. In fact, I have to focus on not exceeding 150 grams of proteins daily to make more place for carbs.
I do both...
Can you please cite that meta analysis about fiber and all-cause mortality. I really need that for school.
There I no data. The realty study is junk food eaters have shorter lives. Adding a daily dose of kale would not help
once you have done plant based for a bit, it's mindlessly easy to get protein. I hit all AA's daily and get over 200g. I've put on muscle almost entirely plant based also and im in my 40s.
More Fiber means more full and better poops lol.
It's hard to argue against plant based as more and more research comes out.
Yeah the biggest argument though is that it tastes like absolute shit and eating a grass-only diet would make me want to throw myself off a cliff in 5 days lol.
Look man, there are certain benefits to a plant-based diet. But food is one of the biggest pleasures in life, and most humans (if being honest) will tell you that there are few things more delicious than a well-prepared steak or some fresh sushi.
Asking people to give up on one of their major sources of happiness does not seem like a wise plan IMHO. I'd rather live till 70 with my current omnivorous diet than gamble on gaining 5 more years by having to give up one of my favorite things in life.
So no, it's really not that hard to argue against plant based lol. Not everyone is a robot that sees food as a mere source of energy and nutrients. Food is a social activity and a major source of pleasure. Disrupt that and you'll find yourself a lot more miserable, even if you don't want to admit it's due to your diet.
My experience too.
@@AustrianEconomist Well written. Balanced diet all the way. Fk fad and unnecessarily restrictive diets
EXCEPT your "protein" is not nearly as nutrient dense as a carnivore/ketovore diet. You can't get heme iron from a plant based diet and you can't get as much cholesterol as your body needs compared to eating saturated fat, which your brain ALSO needs to run well. Most of the nutrients in plants are locked in and CAN'T BE DIGESTED, unlike meat. You ALSO don't need fiber for your digestive system nor do you need to poop nearly as much as almost ALL of the food you eat is digested when eating carnivore. Plus you have FAR LESS inflammation from the poisons and toxins that plants naturally produce in order to protect themselves since they also don't like to be eaten. The ACTUAL research not bought by Kellogg's and Pepsi Co clearly show that saturated fat is GOOD and needed as the primary fuel source for humans and that we absolutely DO NOT NEED carbs as fuel, let alone it be our PRIMARY fuel source. That's why everyone is so fat and diabetic today with their HbA1c so dang high!
@@Akihito007 here come the keto zealots....
Literally look at WebMD, your body runs on carbs. I didn't say eat sugar.
Yes you can get iron from plants, that's just a lie..... literally what?
Your body produces as much cholesterol as it "needs".
Not a lot of your comment makes much sense nor is it right.
Hey Layne!
Maybe someone's already asked and I know this might not be DIRECTLY related to fitness, but I'm betting a lot of people interested in fitness might also be wondering...
What's your opinion on the safety of tanning beds? They're often a perk at your local club and I can't be the only person wondering about stepping under the bulbs before summer hits.
It is extremely unhealthy, increased risk for skincancer
Would love to see a debate with you and Dr Ken berry. I think that exchange would be beneficial for both parties.
I would love to see a collab with him and DrBerry 😮
Haha the more I come back to this video and read comments, the more I want a fat T-bone steak 🥩 with some butter on top while it rests. 😋
Bro, fiber wrecks me on every level. I hate the taste of vegetables. But I like fruit. Interesting input - thanks.
Start in small amounts
@@hanssmith8901 why?
@@scamdem1c gives the gut micros an opportunity to adjust to the additional fiber.
@@sonja4164 yeah, but why even go out of your way to eat fibre? if peopIe have some fibre in the diet(weather a small amount or more) and they dont have issues. why try to "start in small amounts"? unless if your goal is to increase fibre intake... but then again.. why? if peopIe are doing fine with less fibre. why bother increasing fibre intake. if peopIe do horribly with fibre, why should those same peopIe go out of their way to increase fibre intake? i find that i do better with zero fibre in my diet. should i force myself to eat something that wrecks my health?
@@scamdem1c many people have improved health markers the more fibrous foods they eat. If you're not used to eating much fiber, and you want to up your intake, it is recommended to do it slowly.
i keep hearing veganism compared to carnivorism or just eating fast food everyday but no one seems to want to compare it to a clean, healthy omnivore diet.
Should we add fibre like we add protein?
That'snot really necessary. Just slowly incorporate more & more beans/legumes, vegetables & fruit over time.
Thank you. I was a Vegetarian for 25 years, a Pescatarian for 5 & started eating all meat in 2020. Since adding animal protein to my diet my LDL has give up. I don’t blame the meat per say because my diet over all has been less desirable but in the last year I’ve started cooking again & eating healthier. No improvement on my LDL with low Vitamin D & high B6. I was following a high protein, low carb diet & adding in more carbs every 3 weeks. As I research lowering LDL I am begs to understand that increasing fiber & good fats while lowering saturated fat seems to be the consensus. It seems eating a variety of foods to get healthy fats also is a good idea. I’m adding more soy back into my diet as well. I keep wondering if going back to full Vegetarian would be my best bet.
Why did you stop being a Vegetarian? I'm a Pescatarian. 🙂
I would choose carnivore for the micronutrients and essential fatty acids. Micronutrients and essential fatty acids are poor in plants, when it comes to bioavailability and bioequivilence. Also, I don't think those benefits from plants are that important, if you already at a healthy body fat, exercise, optimal sleep, etc. Also, You're missing oit SIGNIFICANTly more by cutting you're eating animal organs, seafood, diary, etc, compared to eating veggies, legumes, fruits, etc nutrition wise. You won't micronutrients as bioequivilent and bioavailable anywhere else. Also, weaker reason is thar there could always be the chance that there's a micronutrient that hasn't been discovered yet and I think animal are most likely to have it than plant. My concerns would be for my stool and vitamin C though; however, I think plant based would have SIGNIFICANTLY more concerns than that.
A micronutrient is just vitamins and minerals. Meat and dairy do not have more vitamins and minerals per calorie than fruits and vegetables. Plants have phytonutrients. By definition meat and dairy do not have any phytonutrients. It is obvious that fiber is very important for long term health. There is no fiber in meat and dairy. The evidence is very strong that you are likely to live significantly longer and be healthier eating just plants than just meat and dairy. You are wrong.
@@donwinston phytonutrients, in case you didn't know, inhibit micronutrient absorption. Also, have you missed like half of what I said. Can you get calcium, iron, copper, etc from plants, yes; however, it's often significantly less bioavailable and less bioequivilent. Do you know what that means? It means what's on paper on nutrition facts is not all going into your bloodstream, let alone used nearly as easily by required functions in the body, such as enzymatic processes. For instance, there's probably 100% of your DV of vitamin A in sweet potato; however, a lot of that doesn't get to your bloodstream due to bioavailability issues and there's significantly less bioactive actual vitamin A, once that beta carotene is converted into retinal. Also, fiber is important and I never it wasn't; however, I'd give that up, if it meant I can have high quality animal based nutrition. Lastly, I don't know WTF you're talking about. Organ meats are EXTREMELY nutrient dense, especially calories equated to literally ANY plant food on Earth. You do know people actually worry about organs, right? Because there's an actual risk of overdosing, because organ meats are so extremely bioavailable and bioequivilent micronutrients.
my parents had a plant heavy diet and had numerous health issues till the end. plant based isnt good.
vitamin c isnt a big issue on a meat heavy diet for as long as youre not eating too much carbs. glucose and vitamin c compete with each other in the body. also, meat has alot of anti oxidants which can do the same stuff as vitamin c. liver for example, also has vitamin c, in addition to uric acid(a powerful anti oxidant, also water soluble just like vitamin c), has purines(which your body will use to produce uric acid), has taurine(another anti oxidant. works in the gut and at your heart and arteries), and has glutamine, glycine and cystine(used to make the master anti oxidant glutathione).
as for your stool. it will actually improve by removing the plants. also, taurine helps with gut motility. when i tried carnivore i had loose stools for days until i started getting more taurine from lightly cooked meat(taurine is heat sensitive).
@@scamdem1c Vitamin C and glucose do NOT "compete" with each other. The evidence is overwhelming that plant based diets are healthier than diets with large amounts of meat and saturated fat. You might as well argue that the earth is flat.
@@seban-jackedweeb5513 speaking about nutrient overload from organ meats. the trick is to no1. not overconsume them, and no.2 get more muscle meat and fatty meat.
vitamin a, iron, and copper overload from liver can be dealt with by getting more vitamin d(antagonistic to vitamin a), vitamin k(balances vitamin a & d), exercise & taurine(helps prevent iron/mineral overload), and zinc(antagonistic to copper). basically its simple. just eat like normal. eat mostly muscle meat and occasionally a small amount of liver.
i have heard of a carnivore before who got iron and copper overload. also, he stopped working out. thats another reason. there was also a bunch of adventurers decades ago who ate polar bear liver and got too much vitamin a.
I am on holidays and never felt better in the gut. Partly due to warm weather, lower stress eating, and 2 meals per day of balanced food groups. Tired of meat, eat fish, tired of fish eat veges. More quality of foods, taking a whole week view of food groups not daily needing to stress over x y z P/C/F levels and proportions.
Fiber is great because it allows your poop to exit your butt without tearing fissure in your colon
The most restrictive diet that has worked for me is meat (fish, beef, eggs, chicken) and fruit (mostly berries and other higher fiber lower calorie and easy to chew/digest). I have reactions to some veggies, and grains and veggies cause the most bloating and skin irritation. Protein + fiber = high energy and very difficult to overeat. Plus easy and clean BMs.
I actually would've been surprised if you said carnivore honestly given that if you have a flexible (and thus more well-rounded) approach, plant-based is obviously much more conducive to that than carnivore is. I love having freedom in both what and when I eat so y'all have fun with the restrictive diets ✌🏽